An Encounter With La Siguanaba

Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is m J. And this is another episode of a Spooky Tells, the podcast for all Things as Spooky, and today we have a lovely guest with us. I'm so excited to talk with her. I found her on TikTok. But do you want to say hi to everyone? Tell us a little bit about yourself. Hi, guys, my name is Ruth Castile. I enjoy paranormal and horror anything, and I'm so excited to be here. Yeah. I think I was scrolling and I'm trying to remember the first TikTok that I found of yours. I think it was you're like talking about how your dad sa. Yeah. Yes, I'm so excited for everyone to listen because we that was like our episode one, right m J. Yes, yes, that was the first episode we did. Yeah, and when we were doing it, we could not find any actual encounters with Lasianava. Like when I asked my dad about it, he was like, oh, yeah, but only the like, only the people in the rural areas see her because he never like heard, he heard, he knew of her, but he's never seen her. He's from So Yeah, very excited and that's true, right, that's what. Yeah, I was like, my dad is very proud. He's always saying he's from my example. Yeah, I love it, love it. Yeah, my dad is a he's from the city, so from Okay. But before we get into your stories, we do have a listeners story and if anyone wants to send in their stories, you can email at spookytails at gmail dot com. You can submit it on Discord. We have a channel that just says submit your scary story. You can also send it via DM. Any of those are fine. So here we go. Hello once again. This occurrence happened in my mom's hometown, Siguas. Again, take this with a grain of salt. I don't know how true this is. So there's a river and for the longest time people have said not to be out late at night because there were witches that turned into floating balls of fire that followed the river. People would always disappear or have bad luck if they saw the fireballs. So one day my mom's cousin. Three of them were out drinking and got really late and they started walking home. Two of the men lived close to each other, so they went on their way. Now the last man was walking along the river trying to get home. He said he saw three floating balls of fire in the distance. He decided it was a good idea to run after them and throw rocks at them. What wow, that sounds like a terrible That sounds like the opposite. So that's what he did. He said he managed to hit one of the balls and it fell. He was yelling out of excitement, and since he didn't see the fire the ball of fire light backup, he decided to head home. Once he got home, he told this story, and nobody believed him because he was drunk. The next day, all the women and went to the river to wash their clothes, and to their surprise, there was one woman from town that did not show up. A couple of them went to check on her to make sure she was okay. They found the women in her home full of bruises. They asked her what happened, and she says, she fell going to the owl house. Well, as you might guess, the whole town now knew who one of the witches was. That's as far as the story goes. I don't think they did anything to her other than keep their distance. Oh this reminds me of a Letusa's story that I heard like a long time ago. Actually we manag shared it MJ. But it was like there was Lisa that was taking kids or something, and they suspected that it was this one woman and they went to her house and like I mean, just like they did in these like old stories. They I think they beat her, but then when she was an owl or they shot at the owl. And then the next day they went to this lady's house and she was like missing a leg or something. Yeah, like she was like injured. Yeah, yeah, that reminds me. That's sort of memory of that, because yeah, they found her all bruised up, but I'm glad they didn't do anything to her, and they just like let her live. In my dad's town. The witches would turn into pigs. What I have not heard that I've I've heard that. I've heard that they turned into pigs. Yeah, where have I been. I've only heard of them turning into like some sort of flying like litusas or I think I've even seen cats, but no, I've never had snakes snakes, but I've never heard of pigs. Yeah, and they were destroying crops and yeah, they do that to torture, like they were just they were bad. Yeah, I've I've heard that because my mom told me a story about this one guy who fell in love with the He was married, but he fell in love with with the lady who was thought to be a bruha. And he would tell stories how at night when he would go to sleep, that these pigs would come and get him, and it was it was the lady who was in love with him, and then and her little covein Wow, and they would go like and chase him, like chase him and like they're the pigs and they're chasing him around at it and he's like, these are the dreams I had. And then he would like wake up every day with like dirt and exhausted and all crazy stuff. Oh well, oh my god, I have to I had to get the story. But yeah, they would turn into pigs. What happened to my uncle was then one of the pigs kept on bugging him and he went out in the night with and he was like, I'm gonna get her, and the pig came running behind him. My uncle cut her, well, cut her up, and the next day there was a huge thing in the village. There was a woman there was really badly hurt, and of course again they knew now that she was the witch. Oh my god. Wow, I wonder what would happen if, like, because I mean obviously people eat you know, if you like accidentally yeah, cooked one of them, like oh barbecue time, like what they turned into a person? Wait, isn't that isn't that's the reason that I'm sorry, I'm not very sure about this, but Muslims don't need pigs because somewhere in scripture it talks about humans turning into into pigs. Oh is that the reason? I've never heard that. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. But it isn't like human human meat similar to pig meat something like that. People who've who've tried human meat say it's like similar. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I wonder, not not that I would try it, but yeah. Interesting. Okay, Well, before you tell us about Lasianava encounter, I do quickly just want to remind everyone of the legend, just because it was forever ago. I mean, this is what episode one hundred twenty something and episode one is where we talked about the actual legend. So most of the variations of the legend are very similar. Is mostly a Central American legend. I honestly have not heard of it in Mexico, but when I talked about I talked about it on TikTok. And there is a horse lady in like the Wahaka area I've heard, but she has a different name. It's not Laua. It doesn't have the same backstory. So there is a horse faced lady there, but again it's not La So I'm pretty sure this is only like Gates. I think it's like more known as La Segua, but I think most of the like, most of it is the same. So according to a legend, there was a woman. Her name was Steva Wet, which means beautiful woman. She used her charms and with the help of a bruka, she had the prince Yay soon marry her. And then she was like, I don't know, I don't know if it was like a princess or because he was I think he was like a prince or something. Anyway, he soon went to war and then see what wedd was like a bad wife and during this time she had affairs. At one point she had her son, Elcipitio, and she was not a good mom. She did not take care of Cio. She was busy being with all these other men, apparently in according to legend, and then jay Soon returns. When jay Soon returns, she has like some plan where she's gonna like kill Jayson or have him killed and then she's going to be like queen or something. This doesn't go well, so she she has this poison. There's like some festival thing, and jay Soon drinks this poison during this festival and then he turns into like this giant two headed monster kills a lot of people at this like party or festival, and to punish her lack curses her for for everything she just did, like cursing Jayson, being a terrible mom. He curses her to become Lassie when us. So now she's this hideous woman who's going to roam the countryside. And lcpt or her son was cursed at the same time, and so he used cursed to be like this little boy forever his feet were turned backwards, his stomach was like distended, you know when they get a big belly. Because yes, okay, she yeah, she roams the countryside, usually found by like a body of water, and when men look at her. They're supposed to die. If they live, they're gonna go insane. She like lures people away. And then there's like another version where I don't think they really talk about her trying to kill jay Soon. She's this beautiful woman and then she's like a terrible mom and she cheats on jay Soon when he's gone, and then that's why she's cursed by God to become la curse at the same time. So that's how I heard it. Did you know a different version? No, I had her something to the first one, but I didn't know the extent of the story. Yeah, yeah, it's that's very interesting and it makes a lot of sense because my dad said that she only appears to men that are Mukie viegos, and I was like, oh, that makes so much sense. Oh and then hold on, there was like one more thing about the legend. Yes, she's so she's cursed to wander the countryside praying on or you know what's a good I wrote man horror. When I first wrote this, I'm like trying to think a way to put it, but I can't. So, yeah, she prays on on unslus man. Yeah, yeah, and she often appears beautiful when men see her, and like she has like a gown, she's brushing her hair, and she lures them to follow her. There's I think in the version in oh Okay, I guess before you get into your the actual encounter. The Guatemalan version of the legend is a little different. She's forced to marry a man that's forty years older than her and then she's like not good to him or something, and that man curses her into becoming Las Guava. That's one version in Guatemala. And then in order to save yourself from Las Guanaba, men have to bite their cross or like a medaya with like a little cross, or or pull her hair and say three times, what is that you're now leaving crab grass Maria three times? Or bite their yes is another one that I've that I found And then this was like super funny to me, and I think we like laugh so much when we first heard this, MJ. But if you're like running from her and she's running after you, you can hear her because her boobs are happing together you're running, and I mean, she's she's a mom and I guess she just has, you know, get affected by gravity. Yeah, changed after you know, becoming a mom. So that's and and when you find drawings of Leslie, her boobs are are dragging, like oh wow. That's a pretty consistent thing about Leslie Guava is that she has these huge, dragging boobs and very similar to other stories of you know, women luring men. Women are to be feared, they're vengeful. It's like Laurona from on Buddhas. There's so many of these different lady in white versions across the world. This is universal that there's like this woman entity after luring men to their deaths. Yeah wow. And so yeah, I guess that was like a very brief, brief version of the legend. But yeah, tell us tell us about your your dad. So that was very interesting because that's a huge thing of in Guatemala, like if you come across the paranormare thing or happening, you bite your machete. That's something my dad told me since I was a kid, and I've always been fascinated and with the story that I'm a share right now, it's never changed. I've heard the story of my whole life. I'm about two thirty nine and I swear this story. It's the same. It's never changed word by word. So this happened like what my dad was born in the sixties, so he said he was little, So this happened in the mid sixties in Guatemala. There was still not a latta like running water, I think, no electricity, very campful like fields and farming and forests and woods, very almost virgin, and I think that attracts a lot of this activity right well, from what I believe. And my dad said that him and his little brother there wasn't There was no money, but there was food. The forest. The woods would provide wild vegetables and food, and the chickens would lay eggs, so there was something always to eat. And they were hungry, and they went to the back of their house, which was the forest, and they saw their mom and my grandma, and they saw her. They're like, oh, she's They got so excited. They were like, she's cutting which is I muna say the longer story. She was cutting flastimo lastismoo. I might be saying that wrong, banana bananas. And they were excited. They were like, oh, my god, we're so hungry. She's cutting this for us. And they started running towards her. Because she did lure them. She was like, she turned and she told them come here, bang bang, like come here, and they were like, yeah, that's mom, so let's go. I don't know how, but this always happened where like one of his older brothers caught them mid air and they were like what and they're like, that's not mom. And I always wonder how my uncle's the oldest ones. There is something they told me that there were some kind of protections on things that were passed on to the oldest but not the youngest. So I think that's what he knew. And my uncle and my dad were like, whoa, who is that then? And my uncle was like, that's not see one other. And as soon as dad was said, they turned around and the woman that looked like their mom turns horse face, Oh my god, black hair, long black hair, and was like laughing. I don't know if you ever heard of this, but she laughed really nasty, and they were like, oh, hell no, they damned back home. And when they went inside the house, they were like, my grandma. Actually, there's a huge part of the story. She didn't go out at all that day because she had a bad toothache, so she was resting and they asked her, were you outside and she was like, how can I be outside? I have a really bad toothache and I don't feel well. And they were like okay, and they didn't talk about it until later. Of course, kids being curious, they went the next day. They spill see where this happened, and they went out, and when they went out, they went accepted to the spot where it happened. And what they saw, you know, how she saw that they saw a woman cutting the bananas. The bananas were still up in a tree. They were never cut. Oh my god, it was like in like an illusion, like it never happened. Wow, oh my god, Oh my god, that's terrifying. That is I forgot to mention that. But yes, they say that she can change to take the appearance of someone, you know, especially when it's like younger like kids, they'll it'll look like their mom or even I've heard stories of like her looking like someone's wife or some like, not as herself until their lord away and then she turns into the horse face horrifying horse. But oh my god, that's that's wild. And I actually have another story with Yeah, so it is so true that this happened. I guess it does happen a lot in the example side. That makes a lot of sense the countryside. My uncle is the oldest from my dad's side. He said he was followed by her a lot. Again, he was a no he loved women, and even he was married and had kids. You know, he's he said that at one time, in the middle of the night, they always were told don't go out too late, and don't stay out too late because she'll get you, you know, And he didn't listen because he was drunk. And by the time he woke up from whatever, he was like, oh my god, it's super late. It's like a midnight. And he was riding his horse back home when he felt like something climbed in the back of the horse and he was like he turns and he sees the hair like flopping around. And this time it wasn't a beautiful woman. It was horse based one nava. She was like, I'm not even gonna show. Yeah. She goes, she goes, I got you, and he starts hitting him and and he's like, he's like, she's torturing him. And I don't know what happens, but he falls off the horse and the next day he wakes up. He's tied up to a tree, but like tied up with like, oh my god, like like really well with not a rope but some kind of planted is really thick. But he's tied up oh like like twine, I guess, and I think, yeah, and it's not I hope. So and my his wife and kids were looking for him, and they found them and they were like, what happened and you're tied up? And he's like, yeah, you don't want to know. But later on she did. She did tell them like I was attacked by and she tied me up like he was tied up. Oh my god, that's a wild wow wow. Yeah, because my I mean, my family a little but they grew up like just right outside of sand So my my both my dad and my uncle are like, oh no, yeah, she's only like a couple. The only one that I have heard of, like people encountering in the city is probably like the I don't know if I'm pretty sure that's the thing, A big black dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the that's the like really the only one other than like other like random ghost stories or even when this because my dad has one of the stories that he never like wants to tell me. But oh yeah, that's yeah. Yeah, we're horrifying. Yeah but no, yeah, none of them have seen when our stories and I'm like, damn, yeah, we because we could barely find any. Oh I think when we recorded that episode, we might have gotten one or found one where someone said their dad was out in the in the fields again an example, and or it might have been like a grandpa but he like heard her approaching and then he like cussed her out. He's like, I don't have time for this, and then she like just left. But yeah, yeah, you know what, I'm sorry. I meant to say something. My uncle actually was in shock after the encounter with He didn't speak for like three days. Oh wow. Yeah, so I was like, yeah that makes sense. They stay shock. Yeah yeah, and then they say, like some people never recover from that shock, and that's when they say, oh, they lost their mind after that, and then they're like never the same. Yeah. Wow, horrifying. I love that folklore because you hear it and then you hear the actual stories from your like families or friends, and you're like, oh, like it's true, Like yeah, yeah, so interesting. We kept saying that she needs a hotline so that we can Yeah, like what did that be? Awesome? Like? Hello, do you do you travel right? Can you come and say hi? Oh my god. When I was little, I thought I heard like Aona in the city of la Oh no, way, how I was little. I think I was like seven and when people talk about Aarona. And then finally I didn't hear stories about she's everywhere anytime, And I was like, that's true because I was. I heard her and I woke up and I was terrified. You know when you wake up when you're little, you're already terrified. And I was like, what is daddy? And I heard her? She said she was just like, you know, like crying and whining and like you hear the entity just going down the street. But you know how they say you hear far away, she's closed. And when she's closed, she's far away. I'm going far away, and I knew I'm actually's closed. She's by the window. Oh no, that's horrifying. Oh my god. You know how they say it, don't move, don't say anything, because she she will go on her way. And I'm like, I was frosen in in my bed and I was like, don't not make a move because she was no that you're here. Wow, that was so scary. Oh my godh my god, that's horrifying. Yeah, we had she she's I think she's been on our podcast. It has been twice or three times now, but v she was just recently on our adendous episode and she we had an episode on La Yorona like a while back too, and she said that she would see her repeatedly in Arizona and like because I think her grandparents lived by like a cemetery, and like once they saw her like from Afar, like just like a woman in white, far away. But then like after that time, she kept seeing her and like she would hear crying and then like look in the hallway at school and then just see like within the crowd of kids like La Yoona, just like in the middle, and then she would disappear. And I'm like, that's horrifying that I wasn't. Oh I wonder if you sensitive too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. She was a medium for a long time. She's just like I think she said she stopped doing it like two years ago because it was like too much. But for a long time. She was like a medium that like was helping people and things like that. But yeah, she's very sensitive to all that. That's funny because I used to read hands and help people and I stopped because people don't listen. People don't listen. I could see that. Yeah. I was like, no, I can't do this no more. It takes so much spiritually, it takes it drains you because you're using that gift. That's what you know. Said yeah, yeah, so it makes sense. And I had certain people they will always come from me to me and they just didn't listen. They were like and I was like, I can't do this no more. I'm like I can't. I need a break. Yeah yeah, I saw this before on our episodes. But my great grandma would go to brucast like curse have them curs people that she hated. She had like a list like like a black oh my god people. But she would take my mom with her during her trips and these blue casts will tell my mom like, oh, you have the gifts, like you can use this, and my mom was like no, no, But I'm pretty sure if she if she was like open to it, she could do it. But like me and my twin. I think we're just like closed off, like because anytime anyone has stories like I don't hear, I don't. It could be in the same room and I'm like, that happened. I had no idea. Yes, yeah I have. She's a guest on oh what do we call her, MJ? The unofficial official guest co host. Yes, so when MJ's out usually she covers for MJ. So she's on the on some episodes. Because I have a twin, Oh my god, identical. No, oh oh, you guys are not real. Yeah, wow wild that's also o man. Yeah, but we we've never seen anything, and even in Mexico, we have a thea that like we went to her house, and her house supposedly things happen, Like I think one of my cousins sees like this, not I don't think it's ever been seen outside of the walls, but this like big black shadow, Like they'll walk into a room and then like there's just like a big black shadow that looks big and tall. I'm like, like, I guess maybe, like I don't think it's the hat Man, but just a really tall shadow figure in the walls, Like it looks like it's going to grab them and then it just disappears. And they said that I've never seen it because yeah, I don't see anything. But where she lives, my thea would like people ride the bus like regularly over there, and so she would it was like it was like the last bus, but on her way, like from the bus stops to her house. She said she heard like Jona and she's like, oh no, I'm running it. She like just like boot into her house. But yeah, I've never heard or seen, yeah anything. And I'm gonnaful because like I said this a bunch of times, but I would literally die on the SPA. I would, like I said, I would, I would be done in that yes, in that order. Yeah, then they would just find me and the pile together. It'd be bad. Oh my god. Yeah, being a seer or whatever. It's not the funnest thing. No, it sounds terrible. Welcome to our little Hunted break. We want to give a shout out to the Espuki supernus over on Patreon. Thank you so much to Mickey, Brianna Herzon, Alejandro, Jessica Laney, ken Chatta, Christina Eric and Vivy. Nightmare on Fear Street Desiree, Diana Druben, Sonja, Liliana, Isaac Nato, Mama, Nellie, Alexan Azriel, Malia, Gina, Dianna, Ashes, Anne Janey, Michelle, Monica Modesto, Cynthia Purla, Jessenia, Dahlia Martine, Eighties Ghost Train and Matttown Charity. Thank you so much for your continuous support. It really really means the world to us. 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They were so happy because they were teenagers and they were going to start on the whole new life here in the USA. So it was a happy occasion. So that night I was asleep and I was awoken because my room got cold, and I was like, and then I started hearing somebody praying, but I wasn't praying. It was Sama prestando because I could hear the Virgin Mary being mentioned and all this stuff. And I was like, oh, so that's like, I'm like, somebody's presando. And I thought I was my cousin because my cousin I knew they were Catholic. And I was like, oh it did ask her or Hendry, you know, do they come here to sleep over? And they didn't tell us. But then I realized that it wasn't Spanish, it was Latin, and I was like God, I was like, oh, I'm like and then I heard the voice getting closer to me. No, have you ever seen the Mark once the movie? Yes, so you know she towards the end, when Jesse gets take over by the demon, you hear in the basement, you hear the big steps bomb, bomb, bomb, and then you see him as Jesse. Okay, So I started hearing those steps from fun like I'm coming close to my bed and I was like seven or eight because I was a kid, and I was in my bump it. I was in the bottom bumpet and it stopped right next to me. I could feel the Russia there and I was like, oh from when, like someone's moving and then they stopped moving and there's like a like a brand no, and I closed my eyes and I wasn't moving. I was like, I'm not gonna move and it's nothing, it's nothing. And then I felt huge chance go under my pillow, but if they wanted to close it. And when I felt that, I screamed my parents simid money. They were like, it's just a dream, but I kept on insisting I'm awake. I was never asleep. Let something woke me up, and they were like no, no, no. But then again later on, I could hear my mom calling Guatemala to my Christian grandma and Guatemala to pray for me. That I was that I was, You're like that they believed you, but they wanted to like hide up to like maybe calm you down. Oh that's so scary. Oh my god, terrified. I'll never forget that. Yeah, it is so hard. It's funny because it's so hard for me to talk about it because it was it was so real it happened. Oh yeah, yeah, Oh my god. Wow. It's like those stories like people, not me, but other people have like that. They'll be like in bed and then they either see the bed sink or feel like someone got on the bed and then they can see it going down but nobody's there. Those are like so horrifying to me. Uh no, I again, I would just h that's why I don't see anything. Oh that's horrible. The one time I have like heard something, and I've also said it on here multiple times, but I was with my mom and we were going to Burlington co Factory and I don't know what it is with that Burlington co Factory because later my brother was like, there's like a weird energy there and he sees things too, like my mom. He always apparently I don't know of them. That one is, yeah, and my mom we were in the store ones she was like, I don't I don't like the energy here, like let's go. It's weird, like there's there's a weird vibe. And I was like, oh, but that same store before those before my brother and her said something. We were walking into the store and like right right, we were leaving the car and no one was near us. It was like a I don't know, cold, like winter morning. It was so empty and it was early. They had just opened, so we were like stopping there to get a present on our way to like a party, because we do everything last minute. Yeah, and so I didn't have any presents, right, and so that's why we were there. Actually, I think we were doing very last minute Christmas shopping and we were just there when they opened and nobody was there yet. So we got out of the car and I heard like a little laugh, like a kid laugh by my ear, and then I immediately screamed and a mom my mom was like, oh my god, like calm down. It was like I heard it too, like just whatever, just keep balking, And I was like, what do you mean, what do you mean calm down? Nike in and I was just freaking out in the park and now she's like, I wasn't gonna say anything because you're over here being ext like just whatever. It's like it's just passing by, like it's really it's whatever. And I was like, no, it's yeah, that's what she said. Yeah. I was literally dying about to throw up. Like and then some people were leaving because Targets like two stores over. Some people were probably leaving Target and just their car was by ours, but they weren't that close to us. After after this, I was already like calming down, and then one of them was like singing to the other one, these two ladies. And then when I heard them sing, I like screamed again because I hadn't seen them. And then my mom was like if they're just walking and then they were like laughing, and I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I was just startled. Those were actual people. But yeah again, but yeah, and that's like the one time I actually heard something and yeah, like I said, I I was I annoyed my mom because I was scared and I was like, Mom, again, you just be there for me. And it was this was like two years ago. It wasn't I was not like a child. It was literally two years ago. This is what I'm saying. I love these stories. I'm a sucking waity like it just happened. Oh my lord, yeah this is this is recent, like two years ago. But this is why I'm saying. That's why I don't see anything, because I would yeah. No, yeah, I was almost throwing up and I was like, oh my god, what was that. My mom was like, yeah, like stop, you're embarrassing me, Like, shut up, we're embarrassing Okay, yeah seriously, wow, oh man, yeah it was. It's funny now, but I'm just glad that I was the only time I ever heard anything I couldn't imagine. No, yeah, it's very scary. It is not the best. I mean, they used to pull my hair all the time when I was a kid, and that was scary. That sounds horrible. That used to happened to MJ two. Oh really when you said when you were pregnant, yeah, I would when I when I'm pregnant. Both times, whenever I'm pregnant, I feel like my like you know when you have a toddler, and like they try to grab your attention and sometimes they pull on your hair. Yeah, like that all the time, and I would feel little hands on, like trying to get my intention all the time. And then I was told that because like when you're you're pregnant, you have that like really strong mom energy and there's like, you know, whether it is like restless spirits or something else, but that's looking for that maternal figure that mom has sense per se, like someone to take care of them, and they like search and like want you to be kind of like their mom figures, so they like they try to grab your attention, which is sad but also scary. Yeah. No, I just had a lot of nightmares when I was pregnant. And it's funny because the doctor told me, oh, you're gonna have a lot of nightmares, and I was like, how is that normal? Like, yeah, I nightmares too. I had a lot of nightmares too, But for me, a lot of it was like I would be in the kitchen or doing something and I would feel little hands on me, like a little like like a little toddler trying to grab my attention. And the second pregnancy was weird because like my son was like four years old, so he was already pretty pretty big, and he didn't like, you know, he didn't he spoke and he didn't grab my attention that way, and sometimes would be like like, like, do you need my attention? I turned back and then nothing, there would be nothing. I'd be like, oh, and then I'd see like my son sitting out like across the way somewhere else. It wasn't him. Yeah, I was like I just die a little bit inside. You know. I was like, I pregnant. I could only wobble, but you know, it's fine. I can't run, It's fine. That's so weird because I was told about vivid dreams when you're pregnant, and I didn't have vivid dreams, but never nightmares except that time we were talking about the white teoble. Yeah, that was crazy. What is that? That was wild? Oh? Have you not? This is a legend from Yucatan in Mexico, and it's like a shape shifting. I guess it's similar to in a while or like a like a bruho that shape shifts, but this is specifically called there's like a white chievo. There's a white back. But it's basically like either half man half goat, half man, half cat, half man half dog. And they're only in the Yucatan and there's like even a saying that's like be careful walking around midnight because the white chiebo is roaming like and they're like supposed, like according to legend, very evil and like they say that if you look at when you're you would get sick and then like you can die. Oh and we we covered it. It was like episode four when we were when we were researching, we both I think we both had really like horrible dreams like mine and I've never had such a vivid dream that felt so real like ever, and it was horrifying, like we were in my house and in my dream we were sleeping and then suddenly like the door like ripped open and someone like came in and they had a gun. And then I was trying to wake my husband up in the dream like like go get our gun, like someone's in the house. And he went and wake up, which is like very realistic that he bitch sleep through everything and I'm like, wake up, We're gonna die. And then yeah, so he like eventually he got up like oh my god, what's happening. I was like, get the gun. There's someone here, and then like he was about to grab it and then like someone just like shot him in the dream. And then like then I felt like at that moment, I felt like something hit me at the same time. And then like I don't know if I like imagined it, but like I heard like, oh we we we have you now, oh, like in a deep voice, and I think I forgot to say this part. I think I plucked it out of my memory, honestly, but it was like oh, and it was in Spanish and it was like, oh you you wanted to like, oh you wanted this, we have you now. It was like so loud, and I woke up and I was like cold, like sweating. I was and cold and like I touched my skin and I was like, yeah, it was like cold sweat, and I was like I felt like my heart was like raising and I was like, oh my god. Then I woke Then I did wake my husband up, and I was like I just had a terrible dream. And I was like crying and I was like, you die. But I've never felt so I've never felt like like a bang like that like in my dream, like it was it was horrifying. M it was yeah, And then me and my kids, both my kids were having nightmare of that entire week scary. I mean yeah, and it was like the same night that you had for me. Me and you had a nightmare the same night. But my kids were having nightmares. I was having well, I mean I tend to have nightmares, not all the time. It's like not as much as when I was like, I don't I do well, not all the time, but there was a point in time when it was like, Okay, I have another nightmare. This time. It had been a long long time since I had like night terrors, and my kids never have them. For some reason, that week, it was just nightmare after nightmare for my kids. And then the one day I had a nightmare was the night that Christina also had a nightmare, which also the I think it was either that day or the day before because I lived in an apartment in the second second story, so you know, we're pretty high up. And me, my mom, and my kids were in the kitchen. I was making I can't remember what, but like we had the family or family over, or we were going to have the family over, and we were cooking in the kitchen and then the next thing you know, it's like banging on on the wall, like on the outside of my apartment and it's like, we can't do that. We live, you know, on the second floor, and and it was just banging, like like pounding, like knocking, like somebody trying to get in through the wall. It was weird. And then we had what else, stuff falling from my bookshelf. It was crazy, that was and then we finished the episode and then it went back to normal. It was weird. Yeah, yeah, it was so weird. And then m found out like, you, if you have like a connection to Yukadan, this thing can like haunt you. She does, Yeah, I do my aunt and she does. Yeah, my aunt is from the Yukatan. She's uh my in descent yea, and yeah, her her whole family is over there. She's my my aunt by marriage, but like the familiar connection. She's been in my life since I was a little kid. So she's like, you know, she's family and yeah, and I do know that a few of her relatives are you know practice Oh and I found that out like not not too long ago, and I was like that was crazy. Yeah, that was like the worst time ever. I was like I'm never looking at Yeah, we're like we're never looking this up again. I haven't I have never looked for stories again. I will tell I'll say what it is if someone asks. But I'm like, I'm never writing notes on this. I'm not looking this up on the internet like I'm no, this is like, no, it's a dead topic. Yes, how interesting? Never again? Yeah, yeah. You know what's funny you mentioned dreams and like all that stuff. It's funny because a couple of years ago I heard that people were starting to you know how that there's there's apps that record you while you sleep to manage you're snoring, or we're having some kind of issues all that, or we're dreaming too much. People started capturing voices so I can't want to see it now. And there was a story I heard that this lady kept on hearing a voice talking to her and stuff like what you just said, I might get you or something getting you. And I was like, oh my god, it was me on that story. And when I heard it, it was like a true crime thing. And they didn't want to talk about it so much because it kind of became like a paranormal subject. And I was like, I was interested. I was like what, I was like, that is crazy, tell me more. I'd be wanting to get that app to manage my sleep because I used to have issue sleeping. But then I was like, I don't want to hear a freaking voice, you know, talking to me like no, thank you. I just yeah, I'd rather live in blissful parents. I might do it because because I see it well, like come come autumn, because you know, like I always like start up seeing the shadow people. Well between like the fall and in winter, that's the time where I see them the most. So maybe like during October, Yes, all the time. I see them all. Let me and my kids see them all the time. And we've had people who don't even see they're like, what the hell is downs like, don't worry, It's just it's Philip people. Oh my god, we named it. We named it it called And I always like, you know what, Philip, if anything else tried to haunt me, you have to duke it out. Okay, you gotta you gotta claim your territory. You're allowed anything else. No, like you you fight whatever else is around here, but only you do You only see them in your house? Yeah, well anywhere. I've seen them throughout my entire well, since my teens, since my euteens because my first experience was a shadow person was with the hat Man and I was like fifteen, and it was like in my you know, I was in high school. I remember, I you know, the thing I remember the most. It was a school night, and then I had just finished doing homework and I don't know how long it was asleep, but I remember I fell asleep and and I had forgotten to turn off my what is those slam spit for like doing homework, like table lamps, table lamps, and I forgot to turn off my table lamps. So it wasn't like the big light on, but it was a light on. And I woke up and I can't I don't know what time of the night it was because it was I don't even know how long I was asleep. And then I see this weird like shadow person leaning on the door or what I perceived as as leaning, and it was wearing like a like a nineteen was it nineteen twenties a zoot suit with had a gangster I haven't had a gangster shadow. And then and then I was like, that's a weird shadow. It looks like a person. The next thing I know, I just went back to sleep. I was like, okay, I'm done. Like that's yeah, okay, whatever, you're you're weird, but you're fine. I'm going back to bed. But that's how usually what's it called? Even when I see it at night, like a lot of the times they see a shadow person, like yeah, you know, when it's dark and everything, all you have it's like the outdoor light from either the moon or whatever outdoor source, and I just see it and then I'm like okay, and then I go back that I was about to tell you, like, oh, you have an attachment. Yeah, maybe it's fine, but yeah, probably, But I'm like, you know what, as long as he keeps the other stuff at me, I don't care, Like I like, protect me from everything else. Okay. Just at first, when I asked you about your house, I was like, oh, I wonder if it's your house spirits. I don't know if it was a house spirit. It followed me from that house, but that house that where I had my first shadow person encounter. That house had bad energy. You would hear someone on the roof all the time, and you'd go outside and there's nobody. You would see shadow people in the backyard and then you'd go open, because like it was just me and my parents would work all the time, so I would be home alone the most. And my brother while he lived there, he was partying life at the time, so he would, you know, come in and out. And sometimes I didn't know who was at home, and I would see like someone in the backyard or in the side of the house, and I would see like their their outlined. But then when you would go and be like, oh, maybe it's my brother or maybe it's my dad or something, nobody was there. And then that house just had so much negative energy. I don't know what it was like. We would hear people's voices of like family members, Like there was this one time we heard my dad and my uncle's voice coming from the house when we were outside barbecuing, and then my mom was like, she's my mom sends me inside to see what's up, and I'm like, they're not here, And then my mom calls my dad and my uncle and they're still up the store. So this this this house that I was living at the time when I was in high school, that it was just it was messed up. And then something like mimicking yea of someone else that's like bad. That's yeah, because like you'll see maybe sometimes some houses you'll see something, but it's not a bad like it's just something that this sounds like getting through. But I think, yeah, when you hear like mimicking and I'm like, oh no, And then you would here at night because my bedroom was like my parents' bedroom where it was it led into the kitchen, but my bedroom led into the living room, and the living room was hardwood floor, like old school hardwood floor, and you would hear these like boots, like men's boots, you know, like the work boots stomping, the phone ringing, and somebody pick up and say hello, Oh no, it was like a dude, I reason, and I'm like, that's weird, that's weird. That's weird. I'm too tired. I'm going to bed. That's like my like, I don't have time for this. I'm too tired. I'm going to bed. I'm gonna dis associate now. Oh no. You know that's one thing, like I'd never see anything, rarely hear anything. But I think energy is like the one thing that I'm like, it feels heavier here, or it feels weird and cold and heavy. That I will. I do feel like my brother's room always feel colder and just I don't like being in here. And then I've said this as well, but like my where my grandma lives in Mexico, people here on marble falling down the stairs, and and one of my cousins saw like a like a I want to say, it was like the size of a three or four year old crouching down. You know how people crouched down to I hit on marble. Yeah, he saw that agre in the back not a backyard because nobody has backyards there. It was like a it's all small, like batio. It has like just a place to hang clothes and a washer and then that's it. That's all that's back there. But upstairs is where the marble comes around. Man, upstairs it always felt like I was like, I don't like being up there. It feels cold, and it's just it's weird. It's a weird place. So I know I will not go upstairs at all ever in that house. Yeah, And I'm like, I didn't know until I heard the story about the marble, and I was like, oh my god, is that why I didn't want to go up there? But I did, because when we first went to Mexico we were like eight, and then again when we were twelve, and then I went again when I was like what like seven years ago now, and every time I'm like, I do not go up there, but I never knew why. And then this last time recently that I was there two years ago now, but I was it a year ago. I remember when I went last. Oh wait, no, it was recent. It was recent, more recent because my two kids were already there because they were there was That's how I could tell time now, So yeah, they were there, and I still I don't go upstairs. But that's when I already I finally knew about my marble because I had nobody told me until the last time that I went over there. My mom told me, Yeah, they knew because I went and set foot in the house. But they still so and they haven't heard the marble again. It was his friends. Maybe I don't know, yeah, maybe he's like, Okay, he's not here anymore. We're together now, Yeah, we can move on. I don't know. Yeah, but nobody knows, like what this thing could have been, who who could have been if it was an actual child, like because nobody knows the house, yeah, instead of something else, right, but the house, the house was built there, it wasn't there before, so I don't know, like nobody knows. There's no story behind it. But yeah, nobody hears it. So I can go and not be scared. But I still won't go up stairs. That's scary. Yeah, yeah, something about a marble. Just I was so scared that I was going to hear it too. I was like, because the stairs go up and then there's there's a room and like a little window in the room and you can see the stairs behind you and when and the bed is against the wall and the windows like right by your head. And I was like laying down on the got it there? And I hear them marble. I better and I hear them marble. Yeah. I'm almost like, you're not gonna You're not gonna hear it. No one's heard it. I'm like, oh, you're like yes, yeah. I felt safe. Then it came up to me, right now, is I live in Victorian building? One of the originals were reaching the Victorian buildings in Mela. So it was built in nineteen twenty two and it's very old, very very old. We have issues with a lot of plumbing, electricity and whatever, all that good stuff. But it has history. I think at one point they told us that it was a house for elderly people and they would pass away. So and I had we moved from an apartment down the hall. We live in the front now, but back when we used to live down the hall, a lot of bad things happened to us there. That's where the pulling of the hair that your ownA They will throw stuff in the middle of the night, and my mom, being Christian, always told me ignore it, ignore it nothing. And I was like, it is, it is not nothing, It's like something's happening. But she didn't want to talk about it, you know, in the night, which is a typical thing that I see now and here now is it's it's becausea sound funny, But I did. I did hear chains, you know, when when somebody's walking the chains. I was growing up, I will always think about it. I go, who's walking with chains? And they wanted to get up and see, but my dad always say, you don't want to see. Maybe what's pulling the chains? You know? Yes, yes, oh my god, that's so scary. And I always tell my friends that it's down the hall. Down the hall is where you feel the more paranormal activity than towards the front of the building. I don't know, but I think maybe it's because there was a death in the back or something. Yeah, something. And there was a lady in white in the in the basement for a long time. I never saw her. My sister never saw her, and she used to do her. She used to watch in the middle of the night that she she liked that nobody was around lunch. Yeah. Yeah, and she was like, I never saw anything, and I either, but we will always hear people say there's a lady in white in the basement. Wow, is this in Boil Heights. I'm in downtown La. Okay, Okay, okay, because there's there's a It was an old hospital and then it turned into an old home and I think it's apartments now, but they say they're hunted and it's I think it's somewhere in Boiled Hides. But I don't remember the name of the place, but I'm like, this sounds familiar. I mean, yeah, mentioned the hospital I used to work at that forever twenty one in Beverly Center. And I don't know if you guys heard, but a guy an aligned himself in the feeding room. Oh my god, I did not know. It was around the time that I took some time off because of my kid, so I wasn't there when it happened. But I did go back to work and they closed down the feeding room and they couldn't use it, but workers we we could use it. We started using it as a storage facility, and me being spiritually, I would go in and i would talk to him. I'm like, hey, I'm gonna be here. Don't not scare me. The doors did close by themselves for no reason. I mean, and those you know, those feeding room doors are heavy and they're like you have to manually close them, are opened them, they would move my racks removed, but I wasn't scared. One time, it was six in the morning, Me and my co worker we went into work and I was doing something on the ladder. So I was on top of the ladder doing something on the wall, and my coworker comes running and she's like crying, and I'm like what And I know that she was counting money, so I was like, what happened? And she couldn't talk and she she's like a scary cat. She was this little white girl and she was like, she's like me, yeah, she was like she was like I could tell. I'm like, oh my god, I thought to myself. Last to start, you know, she said they scared her. Something scared her, and she was like she so she was pointing at the feeding room and I go, oh my god, and I go what happened? And I told her calm down, and something from the wall just came flying out like for no reason. Oh, and she was supposed to go his stare go and I was like stop, I go stop, I go oh man, And then I was and I was like, hey, you gotta quit it. We hear you leave us alone. And later on I got another person on TikTok was talking about it, how the Beverly Center is very hunted, and I'm like, I, yes, many, You're like, I can corroborate. Yes, A lot of creepy stuff happened to us there, even before this guy, like things who moved for them by themselves. You always hear people talking and there was no one there, especially like in the rooms were like the storage rooms. So I was like, yeah, that is very true. Wow, scary Okay, whoa before we go, first, thank you so much for coming on. I was so excited to hear your stories. And wow, I'm very honored. Thank you so much for having me. And I've been a fan. I mean, when you contact me, I was like, no way. I was like, oh my god. Yeah. If I say someone has like an amazing story, I'm like, can you come on the podcast please? Yeah. Yeah, We're not like like other podcasts are, like how many followers do you have? Like, oh my god, my story. I'm I want to hear it. So I'm so glad I'm building my following because I'm really excited and I have found the community and on TikTok. And when you contact me, I was like, oh she saw me, she saw me. Oh how funny. But every episode we give a spooky recommendation. Anything movie. I mean it's usually a movie or a show, but yeah, anything horror related. Do you have any spooky recommendations right now? There's a new season of What We Do in the Shadows? Yes, Oh my god. The last the two new episodes were hilarious. I was screaming, it is funny. Yeah, I have to watch them because I forgot to look and then I saw it said new and I was like, no way, Oh my god, did you go I'm the Guatemalan horror movie Orona. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah. I always talk about that movie and I will die on that hill. I'm like, you guys, it's so important for me personal you know, so good. Oh yes, yeah, and my dad and my that's a that's a really good movie. It happened. They're like they killed a lot of indigenous people. M m yeah. Where did we? Oh? We did an episode with Shaken Not Scared podcast. We talked about the movie and I think I don't remember who. Someone did mention a little bit about what happened and how I mean it was a real it was a real massacre and it I mean, yeah, I'm very real. I think I was watching the movie. My mom and dad were here, and my dad was like, oh my god, it's because she's in the piroom. Yeah, and then she's like this uh activist, amazing woman. So yeah, if anyone has not seen the movie, it's on shutter. It's uh. I mean, it's really good. It's worth of work, beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. My my mom was like that was too slow for me because she needs like action packed. But yeah, and I get it because there's people, but because it is a slow burn and it's a subtle it's yeah, it was very unsteadily, especially you know how she when she falls off of the her hair is you see her? Oh my god? Yes, yeah. And then there's like little science here and there of like oh, here's water, and then like the sound. It's it's such a good movie that it just doesn't amazing. I love her, I love her. She's there. Oh my god. Yeah, it was like she's the mom. Should I cover up right through me? I was so excited when they cast her as the mom of that Marble movie. They just came out, yeah, oh my god, I name more yes, name no more? Yes, yes, because she's got a malin And I was like, yes she is. She is, yeah, so beautiful. Yeah, and she's so good. That's that's an amazing movie. I'm sure to think if I have any speaker recommendations, but I don't think I've seen anything recently. Have I been watching? What have I even been doing? I don't know. Look, im, Jake, do you have any speaker recommendations? I have right now? Like what's it called? Getting all my research well, I wouldn't say research, but I'm like really into anything having to do with Oppenheimer right now. For the movie. Oh okay, I'm like, are you gonna Are you gonna do the Barbie Oppenheimer Barbieheimer double feature? Like no, I'm thinking I'm just gonna watch Oppenheimer, Like I want to watch Barbie. But then I'm like, my attention span wouldn't never like Bobby. I'd rather watch Barbie than Oppenheimer. It looks fun, but it also looks like something i'd watch at home. Oh. I don't know, we'll see, but we for I'm for sure watching oppen because I prefer those kinds of movies and like Barbie. Uh so it does look interesting. And I did hear as a Ken song and I'm like, I might just go for the Ken song. Yes, but yeah, So I'm like just researching and like listening to a lot of like Manhattan Project stuff, which to me is like real life horror because I'm like, damn, like the level of shit that went down with that. I mean, honestly, fuck the US for dropping the atomic bomb. I watched a horrible documentary years ago on the aftermath of everyone that lived there and the effects of the bomb on everyone that like didn't pass away in the surrounding areas, and it's wild and it's horrible, and I'm like, and a lot I think a lot of people too, Like when they were dropping it over there, it was in Nevada, a lot of people, yes, ended up really sick. So like it's it's like almost like the same thing as like an orange. They were like, hey, let's just see what happens. Yeah, and then and then it affects like they're like, you know, the United States citizens, like the people they're supposed to protect them, they're fucking over. Yeah, but that's what I'm into. Yeah. We did an episode on my other podcast the story as are known. I think I was Zone who covered it. But during World War two and Puerto Rico, what Puerto Rican soldiers were sent out to somewhere else was it? I don't think it was Venezuela. It was like another Latin American country and they were deployed over THEIRS and they were tested experimented on with like agent orange and the effects of it, but without their like consent, horrible horrible stuff and like it just and then they weren't like compensated for it until like five years ago, and many of the veterans have then like since then passed away, and it's like, why they weren't you paying for their healthcare? So many of them got cancer from this. Yeah, horrible stuff, Yeah, the same thing, real life horrors. Oh my god, that's horrible. Yeah, terrible, terrible. Anyway, Yes, thank you so much for coming on. It was so fun. Oh my gosh, do you want to tell everyone where to find you on TikTok. It's a great tetok account and you need I'm like, you need more. We need to get her to like I don't know, so yes, tell us your handle and I'll link it in the show notes too. So my TikTok is Graves b R A B E Z three three three at TikTok and you can find me on Instagram just took up from with Castillo or Ruthie Escobar Graves eyes three three three and you'll find me. You'll find a little arts stuff and my personal and follow me anything spooky, creative, everything, paranormal. Yes, I mean, and that's what all our listeners left. Yes, thank you so much, right in, Yeah, thank you, And before we go, I forgot to announce it and all the other episodes that we've done in this month, MJ. But starting August first, I think every Monday we're gonna have one extra episode. They're just super short episodes of like just one short story and it's just one like straight through narrative, not like both of us talking back and forth, and there's like sound effects and a little bit of sound design. So and they're like very short, like less than ten minutes, because I don't know how to write long's. It's like a longer version of tik talk. Yeah, I'm excited for it. I have like four already recorded and ready to go, and hopefully I don't fall behind. I might because you know it anyway. Yeah, but we'll see. Hopefully I keep it going because it's been a lot of fun making the ones that I have made so far. So yeah, if you want a short, you know, more serious story, then tune in on Mondays and then our regular episodes are we friending us always and yeah, Spooky, if you see a beautiful woman in the middle of the field, you'll leave her there, you don't follow her, okay, and stay a spooky. We'll catch everyone next time. Bye bye, Bye. Spooky Tails is hosted by Christina and MJ, produced and edited by Christina. Everything is written and researched by Christina MJ and with the help of Don shout Out Down. Thank you so much for your help. 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