Haunted Puppets and the Case of Pedro Pablo Nakada: the Apostle of Death

Hi everyone, This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things a spooky and true crime now apparently because we keep covering one true crime case and when hunted case. So mm hmm. This is what we do now. Before we get to that, though, I do have a listeners story and if you have a story you want to send into the podcast, you can email at Spooky Tales at gmail dot com. You can email Oh wait, oh my god, I did it again, Say email twice, Say email twice. Yeah, okay. You can DM us on any of our socials. You can also call the number in the show notes. I don't know the number, but it's in there. You can see it. The voicemail might cut off like at two minutes, so it's longer than that. I just need to call back again, or you know, record your story and attach it to an email. That works too. And thanks to everyone who's sent in their stories. This one was sent in via Instagram. I'm going to keep them anonymous. Okay. My fiance makes yearly trips out to West Texas to visit his grandpa and theos. There was this one day where one of his theos had invited him and his grandpa out to the ranch where he works at. The ranch is in a certified ghost town. Oh certified Yeah, Okay, this is legit and the only people passing through there are mainly the ranch owners and border patrol. This ranch has been said to be haunted by a relative of the owner and by the Native Americans. This particular day, my fiance and his grandpa stayed late into the night, which my fiance's grandpa was not happy about because he likes to be home before sundown. As they approached the gate to the main road, my fancy have seen a white object on the side of the road and in the blink of an eye, it grew. His grandpa noticed it too and was in disbelief when they noticed it was a Letusa. It turned around and had the face of a woman. Oh my god. It quickly spread its wings, which my fiance recalls being big enough to hear the wings flap as it flew away. They have made multiple trips back to this ranch, but make it home before sundown every time and have not had another encounter the end. Choose us. You gotta watch out. Yeah, they're out there waiting to eat you there in decads, So that's where they live. Yes, I just can't hear they choose us stories without thinking about that stupid episode of mine. Yeah, oh my god, ron, like this is this one is scary and it was like the sluttiest scary story ever, sludiest and muddiest. Yes, yeah, that's funny. Good times, good times. Okay, Well, I have a horrible case, a true crime case. For we actually which one? Who's ringing? Which one you want to do? The haunted one? Well, you sent me the ghost story, so that's true. Huh. Okay, so I guess I redecided who was doing what? All right, well, what should we do first? I'll start off, I'll start off. Yeah, all right, let's do that. Okay. So, oh, I should preface, preface, preface, prefaces that I did read this on another podcast years ago. Now I doubt a lot of people are so, which is why we're doing it again, because it's good. It's a good one and I can't remember anyway, so it's gonna be like I'm hearing it for the first time. Okay. So this is a tell from Celaya Guana. Oh my god, sorry, gu oh, this is a tell from Celaya, Guanajuato. Good job, thank you. So. In the nineteen seventies, a puppeteer who went by Gapi. He held shows daily out of his house. He had thirty three puppets and the town loved him. That's too many puppets, went too many? Yeah, he had shows every day on the weekends and the house was packed with kids, parents, grandparents' families. He had been doing this show for years now, and one night, after a normal show, Gapi put all of his puppets away, just like he had been for years. He kept all thirty three puppets in a giant wooden trunk in his living room. Then he went to bed like normal, like always. The next day, when he woke up, he found two of his puppets, a boy puppet and a girl puppet, laying on his cow, which scandalous. But were these puppets up to? Yeah? What were they doing? How dare they without a chaperone just be next to each other like that? Seriously? Did they leave room for Jesus? I don't know. Anyway, he thought that maybe he didn't put them away in the first place, but it was weird because he usually did. Seemed like they got out on their own. But like anyone would, he decided to not think about it. Yeah, yeah, naturally, he decided to think that he had just forgotten to put them away, like anybody would rationalize this. I think like that. And you know what, that's easy to justify as you're getting older or me right now, because I forget everything. Mm hmm yeah, you at any age. Yeah. So he went on with his day and then it was a night to him again. He went to bed as he usually did, and then during his sleep, he heard the sound of tapping. Ooh, it's the same sound the puppets made when he made them dance on stage. I'm sorry, I can only think of Pinocchio. Picture Pinocchio dancing tap tap, No, that's what I did picture Yeah. Oh okay, yeah, well, I mean, have we really seen other puppets. Well, they're Slappy from Goosebumps. Oh yeah yeah, I was also picturing him. So anyway, he heard this noise, but he was like, what the fuck because he wasn't making them dance, so oh, what the hell? He decided to ignore it and he went back to bed. Nanny woke up again and saw the same two puppets on the couch, but he knew this time, he was like certain that he had put them away. And again he put them away and he went on with his day. So the next morning is when he saw them anyway, whatever, it was nighttime he was fast asleep, and then in the middle of the night he heard the tapping again, and it was the same tapping as before, you know, the tapping sound that puppets mad. This time he decided to glance at the door and he saw little shadows at the foot of the door. He was terrified and he got under his covers and began to pray. The next morning, he packed up all of his puppets. He said, fuck them puppets, and he took them to a priest so that he could bless them. He thought that the puppets were good after that and there were no more problems with them. So he held another show at the house. So the house was packed as usual, and during the performance, while using his judge puppet, it began to rotate its head on its own. But the audience were They weren't freaked out because they had no idea this was not part of the show. But Gappi knew that he was not moving the puppet that way. Wow. So then Gapi said, fuck this for good, no more blessing the puppets. The puppets obviously can be blessed their possessed or something. Puppet show canceled forever indefinitely, and so he buried the puppets and presumably never looked at them again. Then in nineteen ninety two, Abigail Cargo Maldonado dug up the box of puppets, and one of the dolls when she opened it, their head was rotating. Somehow, these puppets ended up in the Sealaya Museum, and the old man's house was abandoned after his death in nineteen ninety six, and I guess remains abandoned to this day. Yeah, okay, and the puppets are still in the museum, are they probably? I don't know. So I think I've heard that that's creepy puppets moving puppets. There's a museum of mummies there too, in Celaya. Oh wait, I thought I thought the mummy museum was in Guato City. I don't know, right, I know, I googled the puppets and it says Museum of Mummies, Celaya. Oh and maybe it is the same museum. If you've been to this museum and there's puppets and mummies, let us know. I want to go to Mexico and like go to all the places that we've talked about. In Juanato, there's a La Lamentos, which is like an all that episode of ours. Then there's like La Lata Something, another hunted house. Then there's the Museum of Mummies, and apparently that's where these puppets are as well. I'm not sure. M hmm, Okay, so I guess we'll take a quick at break before it get to my story. All right, sounds good. Welcome to our Hunted Break. We just want to give a shout out to our newest Patreon members. Thank you to Patricia Stratasmuir and Marilyn for joining the No Mammes super series as Pooky Tear, and thank you to the rest of our Patreon members Lupe Corgie, Maria Jiovanna, Carla, Anastasia, Linda, Juan, Clarissa, Mickey La Marina, Brianna Gerson, Alejandro, Jessica Laney, Something rather Than Nothing podcast, Chatta Christina, A Nightmare on Fair Street, Maddi Desiree, Dianna Ruben, Sonya, Liliana, Isaac Natcho, Mama, Nellie, Alex He Nasriel, Malia, Gina Ashes and Janie Michelle Modesto, Perla, Jessena Martin, Drene Eighties Ghost Train at Matt Town Charity. Thank you so much for your support. It means the world to us. 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I will give true warnings here childhood abuse, sexual abuse, mental disorder, suicide, all that in his childhood. So his father was an alcoholic and his mother had an unknown mental disorder. It suspecters who date to have been either she was schizophrenic or bipolar, but they still don't know which one. He just like something something. Both parents beat him regularly, and his siblings, all of them. He regularly witnessed his dad beating his mom and then on top of that, his siblings also beat him up and bullied him. And then he was bullied in school. God couldn't catch break anywhere, Yeah, nowhere. His father died like at a young age four or five. It made his life home life worse. Obviously, losing a parent does that already, right, But apparently his father was the one who would like stop his siblings from bullying him, beating him things like that. So then once he was gone and there was no one left to do that, So like one incident that he talks about that like talks about that ruined his childhood more so than others, is that his sisters would put him in a dress and then pushed, like lock him out of the house and like call him names from the window like le negra to Masa. Oh my god, I don't tell yeah, and then the street would all like laugh at him. They would all just stand there and laugh, like no one would help him mom. Yeah, And then like I said, like at school, he would get beat up, his mom would beat him up, his siblings. He would like run away from home all the time. But then you know, he's a small child. He couldn't survive on his own, so he'd go back, especially when he was like hungry and had no food. So yeah, there was there was no no, like nothing good, I guess in his life. When he was five, his brothers for some reason blamed him for killing the family dog. He swears that he never touched that dog. He never hurt the dog or anything, but they blamed him and then as a punishment they raped him. Oh my god, this is horrible. This is truly disgusting. And from that moment on, he he blamed that incident for his hatred of gay people, which doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah, so like misplaced ainger. Really mm hmm. His brothers were the ones who did this. Yeah. On top of that, his oldest sister regularly sexually abused him. I'm sorry, Like, this is horrible and what happened to these children that they enacted such violence on each other? And there's either sibling Yeah, the parents probably, I mean sounds like they are physically abusive as a whole, and then engaging the violence in front of the kids. Yeah, just like like the most dysfunctional a family could be and the worst possible like childhood or person could endure it. Really. Yeah, as he grew up, siblings kept blaming him for killing the dog and that he liked to hurt animals, but he never had until like he just started to after they kept blaming him. What is that? A there's a phrase where or someone tells you something so often that you end up doing it. There's like a phrase for that, and I can't think of it right now because I'm tired. Oh is there? Yeah, there is like a oh, self fulfilling prophecy there you go? Oh my god? Yeah, oh, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I forgot about that, but yeah, that's what he did. And he would do this whenever his mom would hurt him or his siblings. Then he would go out into the street, find a dog or cat and torture them. Horrible stuff. Yeah, you know. On top of all that, like mental illness disorders they ran in the family. His oldest sister, the one that was abusing him, was placed in a psychiatric hospital. She was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Another sister of his died by suicide. Another material aunt was placed in a psychiatric hospital. His own brother, Viyron, was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Sadly, he was only diagnosed after he went on a three day killing spree in Japan. Wow, in twenty fifteen. How do you get to Japan? I don't know. I tried to find info. I mean, I assume by flight, but like, I'm just curious as to why he was there. Maybe a tourist visa. I'm not sure, because yeah, I couldn't find everything that I read about the case. Just mentioned it, but I couldn't find more on it. Interesting, very weird, Yeah, but you know it's also weird is that later, Pedro also wanted to go to Japan. Hmmm, and like that's why he changed his name from his last name to Nataka. Oh, but this was his brother went there after he's he wanted to So I don't know, it was very weird. Yeah that sounds weird, but you know, all this to say that just like a very mess up family life and like these like obviously not everyone with these mental issue mental health issues, they go out and like do these things. But obviously when there's no support, when there's no treatment, when there's already like exposure to abuse and abuse, the situations, things are gonna get worse, right, So but that's not to say that you know, everyone these diagnosis are going to go out and do these things. This is what happened in his family and they all happened to have these types of diagnosies as well. So at seventeen, Pedro he tried to join the Peruvian military. According to someone who knew him from his childhood, The newspaper said, like childhood friend, but he had no friends, so oh, probably one of his childhood bullies. Yeah. Probably. Pedro only joined the military to gain power and authority and to quote get rid of God's enemies. So okay, not good. Although I can think of a few people when I was in the military that were like, who joined the military for the same reasons? Yeah, basically like, oh, I only joined to kill people, And I'm like, uh, oh, I joined because they wanted the GI bill money. You're like, oh my god, why am I here? Yeah, oh my god, what have I done? So yeah, don't think of veteran for their service. Okay, anyway, because maybe they joined for the since seriously, but yeah, that's apparently why Pedro joined. And two months after enlisting he was kicked out. Hey, at least they caught him. Yeah, there was like testing done. He was diagnosed with paranoid schistophrenia and psychopathic tendencies, and they deemed him too dangerous to be in the military and that he would be a dangerous to society if he were to be trained to like fight and learn weapons and all that, which, yeah, I mean, he said he joined to get rid of God's enemies and for power. So he turned even more dark after he was kicked out, because this is you know, what he wanted. He contemplated killing himself after he was kicked out, but then he didn't do it. He instead turned to killing others. And so he was seventeen at this point, and he claims that his first murder was at seventeen, but there's no records of this. There was no body ever found, so who knows, who knows, but that's what he says, and so years go by, years go by. This was like in the nineties when he tried to join He's seventeen and that didn't work out. He claims to have killed someone, but you know, there was no one ever found. In two thousand and five, it might have been a little before that, two thousand and four, two thousand and five, that's when he tried to go to Japan. He paid a Japanese citizen eight hundred soles so just the money in Peru to adopt him as an adult. Interesting. He paid him how much, seven hundred eight hundred so less oh eight hundred, okay, which is today like two hundred something dollars okay. I don't know if the price difference, if it was different like the conversion or whatever back then, but he paid, you know, that much money to try to have a Japanese citizen adopt him. Then he could get his papers and moved to Japan. I'm wondering if that's what his brother did later. Maybe yeah, because his brother was there in twenty fifteen and this is two thousand and five, so I don't know, but something happened, it didn't work out. I'd read somewhere else though, that paying a Japanese citizen to adopt someone is a thing that a lot of like criminals do in Peru to flee. Really, yeah, that's what one source said. Interesting. Yeah, I feel like I need to read up more on this Peru in Japan connection because it sounds like there's something going on there that I am not aware about. Yeah, right, right, that's what I thought too. Something something is weird there that I don't know. But this fell through. I don't know what happened. I couldn't find anything. And it honestly seems like this was like the trigger for him, because all the murders that are known, all the bodies that were found, happened after this. Hmm. So like maybe like that was the last straw, Like he said, like all things never go my way. Life is unfair. So his His first known victim was twenty six year old Carlos Dilberto Merino, a Pedro was at El Choro de chan Kai. I think is how you pronounce that it's a beach in Peru. And he was there when he crossed paths with Carlos, and with that warning, he just shot him in the app and then took his money. And he claims to have killed Carlos because he thought Carlos was gonna rob him, but he was the one who robbed, rummed Carlos. It doesn't make sense. I don't think that we can make sense of anything. This person says, like nothing's gonna make sense. Yeah, yeah, And this happened on January first, two thousand and five, and then more than a year goes by before the next victim, which honestly seems like a long time for a serial killer. Yeah, more than a year later, May thirty first, two thousand and six, he came across fifty year old Teresa Cortina Abad he shot her twice in the head, and he claims to have shot her because she was smoking cigarettes. This is just ridiculous, like, just don't even offer an explanation. Was going to be that silly, like yeah, and then two months later, so now this is quicker, and this is like it's happening faster, escalating, Yeah, escalating. Thank you, you're welcome, thank you for smart word. Well, I am an educated Latina. Yes, you have a degree educate la. I have two degrees too. Yeah. Correction, correction, you're right, you're right. Two months later, on July twenty twenty six, he shot forty four year old waltere Saldo Sorio again in the head. Walt, he made it to the hospital, but he died like moments later. I mean, it's just awful, like just straight up shooting them in the head, like yeah, like he's executing, like I don't know, yeah, but it did. This will become his moo. Like the first person he shot was in the in the chests or abdomen something like that, abdomen. But then after that all of them are in the head. Wow. And he claims to have killed Walter because he was a criminal. Oh he somehow had knowledge of this, you know, I don't know, maybe he did like some stock. I don't know how he knew this, Like interesting, yeah, let's see. And then so that was Jue. What was I July? That was July twentieth. So then a month later, not even less than a month later August eighth, two dozen six, So like what two weeks? When was the other one July twenty eight, two dozen six, Oh yeah, and then the next one after that August eighth, two dozen six, yeah, like about yeah. The body of thirty year old Herrado Leonardo Cruz Libya was found in the bottom of a water well, so we don't know when they were actually killed. They were just found on August eighth, two dozen six, and he had been shot again in the head. Bablo claims to have killed Herradlo because apparently they were robbing people together. This was like their quote unquote business, and Bedro told Herradlo he didn't want to do it anymore, and head Outdo threatened to like blackmail him because he was like, well, we've been stealing together. If you like stop doing this, I'll turn you in. We'll go to jail together. So we killed them. Wow. And then ten days later, so like again, it's shortening this like time period mm hmm, definitely escalating. Yeah. Hm. Ten days later, the body of twenty one year old Carlos wu Walter Trasona Toledo was found. He again was found with the gunshot to the head, and Pedro claims to have killed him because he saw him doing drugs. Leave people, be let them smoke cigarettes, let them steal, let them use drugs. Yeah, you're not who gave him the right to like decide this is wrong? Yeah? What do they say, the judge executioner and like jury executioner. Yeah, that's not a thing, right, you're not fucking Batman. Batman is wrong. Batman was wrong. Yeah, worst superhero out there, one hundred percent agree. So that was on August eighteenth, So just ten days later, is what you had said? Yeah, yeah, ten days later. So the next day after Carlos was found, there was another body found. This was fifteen year old Maria Ronica, and she was again shot in the head. According to Pedro, he had gone to this like Ali or whatever, this area that was known for how many people use drugs there, and he went there looking for people to kill. Maria had like walked up and he just shot her. And so, according to him, he feels horrible about this because she was fifteen and not a drug user, so she didn't deserve it. According to his own moral calculator, this is one reason you don't go just shooting anybody because one you don't know what they have done or haven't done. And when you put that on yourself, like you're gonna get it wrong sometimes, Yeah, which he did. But then he was like, but you know what, the ends justify the means, so like her, her death served a greater good. Oh my god, how like No, then it would be a couple of months. Maybe he really did feel mad and he didn't go out to like kill because it was two months before the next victim was found. This was November eighteen twenty six. The body of Ugo Vilches Palomino was discovered and he again was shot in the head, and Pedro had stolen his cell phone and a CD player Sony CD player. And the reason Pedro killed him, according to Pedro, all of this is, according to him, because he wanted his CD player. That's the real reason. No, the reason he gave is because he wanted to sleep with UGO's wife. Hey, like this time he has no like supposed moral superiority for his crime. So that's true. Wow, yeah, that part is true. The next day, so they're getting like closer together. The next day weed mad Jesus Munno's Villanueva was found dead, and weed Mad was a cosmetologist. Pedro had heard rumors of Weedmar being a sex worker, and according to his moral compass or whatever, this is like wrong, he needs to get rid of all sex workers because God told him to write, so that includes weed Man. And again he only heard rumors of this. So he went to the salon where Weedmud worked and he asked for sex and he would give the money for this, right, And so when Weedman pulled his pants down, Pedro shot him in the neck. Oh my god, and then stole his money, Like how okay, how is it okay for you to see and do all this other stuff? And besides the killing, of course you know what I mean. But like, of course, well, because he in his head is just to find the killing, right. This is terrible, it really is. So a few days after that, three other bodies were found, and like no one there, I couldn't find like the dates of when they were actually killed, just like whenever the bodies were found later. So three days after weed Mad, three bodies were found together. This was thirty two year old Luis Enrique servantees twenty four year old Pedro O Margarera and twenty two year old Enoch lisel Felix Soria and so Pedro nasaka he or sorry naka whatever. Pedro I don't know his last name, fuck him. He has like two last names and three or even know whatever. He sucks. So he killed them because he wanted their taxi, I think is the real reason. But the reason that he like gave is because according to him, they were using their taxi to assault others. But he saw their taxi about a week after that, we can have December ten, two thousand and six, nell Ca Ca Leonelo was found dead again shut in the head like the others, and Pedro had stolen his bike. And the next victims they were found after nel so after the tenth of December, but before the twenty fourth, but there was no date. Okay, so they were Nasadio Julianta, Maris Perez, dider Jesu Sabatta Dulanto was with him. They were killed together and Pedro came across them making love at an irrigation. Canal leave them alone? Yeah, leave them alone, like if they're on housed and doing this. They were in a private location. But like the thing is that bether would go looking for these people to kill them. He goes looking, yeah, like he goes to like see the locations to look for vulnerable people to kill. Yeah, and because you know, another group of people that he quote unquote needs to get rid of are homeless people, gay people, sex workers. Those were like the what makes up the people that he killed. But yeah, like you said, vulnerable people. So he came across them and you know that gising canal and he shot them both in the head, and then he stole their shoes and money, which was like thirty four dollars, like not a lot of money between them. But it's like, oh, he can steal and he can kill, but like no one else can do anything. Right. Then on December twenty four, two don six, he killed Agustine Andres Magina and Louise Melgarejo Science. He shot them both in the head and he killed them because they were alcoholics. Oh my god. His final victim was seventeen year old Nicolas Tolentino purisaka Gamboa, and this happened on December twenty seven, two and six. He shot him in the head because he was smoking drugs. Wow. Yeah, And these are his known victims. He claims to have killed at least twenty five people and that he was not wrong for committing these murders, that God told him to do this. He was doing God's work. He was doing this to clean the streets. And like I said earlier, but all of his victims were either sex workers, they were gay, or drug users, or a combination of all three. So yeah, it just like whenever you watch you know, shows like Criminal Minds and stuff like that, there's always like a person that's like they had a name for this type of serial killer that I don't remember. I tell me why, I'm looking that up right now? Oh you are? Yeah, yeah, I want people are saying vigilante killer. But it has a name like on the different name they use on the show. Yeah, like almost like a purifier or something. And it's not Angel of Death because that tends to be a doctors and nurses. Yeah, but he called himself the Apostle of Death. So but yeah, he thought he was doing God's work. And he used a nine milimeter pistol for all of this, and he made like handmade rubber silencers from slippers whenever he went out killing, like he I don't know how many slippers he had? I'm sorry what he did? What he used a nine millimeter pistol for all the killing? Uh huh, but he made rubber, handmade rubber silencers with slippers. Oh it's slippers. Oh wow. He only heard slippers because I was still looking up that name, that term, and then I was he does what now? And then that's why I asked, And that makes sense? Yeah, yeah, because like Angel of Death, like we were saying, it's usually like a medical related where they're like supposedly doing mercy killings. I guess would it be like mission oriented, but there's like a I think so, Yeah, I think that's it, because you know, he said he was he had a mission from God. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, it's not unheard of obviously, like it happens all the time. He was captured on the twenty eighth of December in two thoy and six. I'm not sure. I could not find anywhere. None of the articles in Spanish or English like said why like how he was captured? Yeah, yeah, I don't know like how it came to be, but he was in a shootout with police at his workplace, Like I don't know if they like investigated. They came up with him as a suspect and maybe went to arrest him, and then there was a shootout. That's what I was gonna guess right now. Yeah, that's what some guess that they did their investigation, and exactly what you just said is what I was about. That's unnecessary. You just said it, Okay, go on, Oh my god. Yeah. So but they caught him at the perfect time. It worked out for everyone because he had been planning on blowing up a nightclub on New Year's That's so weird because I feel like I never really hear of that much of a shift in like a way of killing. Yeah, yeah, no, you're right, it didn't make sense. But they found a grenade in his house that he was gonna do it with. Wow, and this is what he told them. But yeah, it's such a weird shift and escalation I think, or like a difference in killing. Yeah, unless like somehow he had gotten so like bored with his and it's horrible obviously, like, yeah, someone to even get to that point maybe because like this is not fun enough, like I had to take it up a notch. Yeah, I don't know. It's certainly strange because then, yeah, the way he killed everyone was always like shooting them in the head, which does give off like execution vibes, which would make sense if he's like doing this as a mission from God supposedly. Yeah, So then to shift to blowing up a nightclub is weird. It just like it doesn't fit everything else he was doing at all. But I guess if you thought about it from his point of view, you could argue that people in nightclubs are up to no good. They're what is that word a moral Yeah, like dirty according to him heathens heathens. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, then he would get more of them at the same time if he did it with that way. So yeah, I guess terrible either way. He was tried, found guilty, and sentenced to death, and then like his punishment is the way he was going to be killed was a gunshot to the head, which, like, I didn't know they could just say, oh wow, we're gonna kill you the same way you've been killing victims. But that's what happened. I've heard of places that do that. Yeah, I didn't know. So he received this punishment. He had been determined to fit to stand trial. They said, you're actually not schizophrenic, even though you've received this diagnosis before, and instead they said that he had an en ti social personality disorder. He had no remorse, He felt justifiing what he was doing. I mean he said that yeah, yeah, again and again, and so that was the sentence he received. He went to jail. But then like later, while he was waiting, like for the death sentence to happen to take place, he tried to kill himself. So then they like redid testing I don't know what, psychiatric testing, and decided that he was actually unfit stand trial and he was paranoid schistophrenic, and so instead he was sentenced to life in prison instead of being killed, instead of a death sentence. And he they did this because like the maximum sentence was thirty five years to life, but like the thirty five years were up and he would be out and if you're young enough at the time of your crime, you can get out and keep killing, right mm hmm. But he said again and again, like if he was let out, he was going to continue his mission from God. So he's still in jail and they were like, we're not letting you out. It sounds like the best option for everybody. Yeah. Yeah, that was the apostle of death Man just just messed up and disturbing. Yeah, someday I'm going to stop doing true crime and just go back to the hunter stories. Yeah, you've been on a true crime kick. I just keep finding cases I didn't know happened, and I'm like, oh this, I don't want to say like, oh this is like this sounds cool obviously, but like, oh this is interesting and I didn't know it happened. Yeah, because you know, we always hear the same ones like that's true. Yeah, I don't know, Jeffrey Dahmer, you know, like all the same ones. Yeah, same old, same old. I do think it's interesting to talk about the aspects of like child abuse, horrible childhood, that things. Usually these type of killers have mental health issues. How all of those things coincide, Yes, coincide? Yeah, no, I agree. I also find it interesting the differences in like the judicial systems, Like hear how they decide I did that they were just gonna shoot him in the head, like I know they used to do that like years ago, like years ago, probably like hundreds of years ago. Here. Yeah, I need to stop saying, yeah, wow, I was watching oh, because I had just posted something to uh No One and that I was watching the reel because I got a little notification that said it was more watched than our usual reels or whatever. And then at the end of the whatever reel it was on no one else in we both and by saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, damn, we do that too much. We do. That's how you can tell that we're from California. I think. Is that a Californian thing? I heard somewhere I heard I don't know, Like do you say yeah a lot? Yeah, like no, yeah, yeah, like you can have a full conversation, oh yeah yeah, and you would't understand each other. Yeah yeah. So this one's gonna get to my nerves now for now. Then I'm going to go back to using it. Yeah see see anyway, see see. Okay, So yeah that brings us to the end of another depressing episode. Uh do you have any spooky recommendations? Well, speaking of true crime, I started watching American Nightmare on Netflix. Have you heard of it? I have a little bit. I don't know if you remember, because I don't know. I'm pretty sure it was And that's why we drink that covered it, Like, I don't remember how long ago it was, because as I was watching it, I was like, this sounds hello familiar, and then I realized that I had listened to a podcast about it. It's good. I like it so far. It's interesting Denise Huskins and Aaron Quinn. Yeah, huh, I do not remember this? Oh wait, no I do. I do vaguely. Is this where they were accused of staging their kidnapping? Yeah, and they actually wore victims. Yes, if I'm remembering right, which I think I am. That's right. Christine covered it and that's how you drink. Yeah, so yeah, I recognized it as I was watching What Child is that? Yes, my child has found me. He's about to knock over my light. Oh my god. Okay, well I've lost my light, so I guess. But yeah, that's it. I started watching that and I'm on the third. I think it's only a three parter or something, four episodes maybe, so I'm like almost done with it. It's pretty interesting, pretty good. It's definitely more in depth than a podcast could be, and the victims are interviewed as part of it. So I really like that. So dennyse Tuskins and what erin? I think his name was, Yeah, yeah, Aeron Quinn. So they're interviewed in the documentary. Okay, yeah, I'll have to watch it. Someone left a comment on one of our episodes on Spotify saying we should check out thirty coins on Max. Some of us don't have Max. You have my info, dude. I try to log in like two times already and it doesn't work. Oh, I don't know what kind of shit you gave me. I don't know what is the phrase we were saying before. I don't know what in the shit you gave me? Oh for the Patroon episode? Yeah, a shit? You not? Oh? Yeah, so I wasn't saying it right? No, you what the shit is what you said? What in the shit did you give me? Just making things up? I can't. Yeah. Someone made a comment that we should check it out, and I have a problem because like new shows like two thousand and I don't know twelve of an end up. It seems like new shows are eight episodes per season, but every episode is an hour and a half long. Yeah, and I can't commit to it. It's like a movie. Yeah, even though I will rewatch seasons of the same episode. But that's like there were like forty something minutes, you know, yeah, or even twenty something like depending on the show. Plus you know it's gonna end, you know, has a final thing. But you know what happens to me a lot is I'll find a new show and I'm like, oh my god, this is so good, and then there's like talks of about a second season, and then it never happens. It's never even new. Yeah. Yeah, I hate that, and then I feel personally betrayed because then you never find out what's gonna happen, just like with the Midnight Club Los A Spookies send A created a diet. Yeah. So yeah, every time, like it's I'm afraid, I'm afraid to commit to any show. Yeah, I get it, because I don't know if it's gonna get canceled. I don't know if it's going to finish, but I will I will try maybe check out three Coins. I have been listening to a podcast in Spanish called criminal perfil I think is what it's called. That's a true crime podcast because I listen to the episode about the person we just talked about, and they have Uriel from really they have him reading like parts of like the story basically, and I think everyone knows by nowre that you love his voice. Yeah, yes, and I'm that's with his voice. Yeah, but yeah, I guess we can end here, Karmen. Do you have anything to plug? Yes, so if you enjoy listening to me and Christina. We have two other podcasts. He studied as Unknown. We talk about Latin American history, Dori's about resistance, power, colonism, et cetera. Good stuff, good stuff. We also have nove LAO everywa rewatch podcasts of Teresa, and we also have a few other things that we've watched. Like I said, Selena, this Netflix series had a lot of fun talking about that, and we're introduced a new segment chronically Online Goo where we talked about the internet, Internet and whatnot, and that's gonna become its own podcast once we finish rewatching Tesa, which we're almost done. Yes, and my child is here. I'm gonna keep my camera off for this part, Carmen, if you want to say bye for me, thank you everyone for listening, and remember don't go to puppet shows. Nice callback all right, and then just say say Spooky Sday, Spooky bye everyone, Bye, Spooky Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ, produced and edited by Christina. Everything is written and researched by Christina MJ and with the help of Don Shout Out Don. Thank you so much for your help. If you love what you hear, consider leving us a five star review. If you don't, then do not leave us anything please. 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