It Pretended to be the Spirit of a Little Girl & More Ghost Stories

Hi, this is Christina and Kerman and this is another episode of a Spooky Tales, a podcast for all things as spooky. Today, we have a guest with us that will be sharing her stories, and let me just do a quick professional introduction, which we never do, so Emily Cassis as a professional kurandera terror reader, Kenda Witch and Death Doula the seven years of Experience. Anythink else you want to share really quick before we get into the listener story, like, maybe hi, since you've only been waving my bad, I just kept talking about it. Hello everybody, I guess just to say that I kind of went into all of this because of my own extremely insane paranormal experiences. So I love hearing other people's experiences because I don't know, I've loved horror since I was a little kid. My mom was like a teen thrasher in the nineties, so I grew up watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Jim Henson movies. So like, all of this has always been just the norm for me. I've been like a little spooky goth kids since I was like three or four. How exciting. Oh, and really quick, before I read the listening story, I just want to say how fun Threads is because that's how we connected. I love Threads so much. It's so much better than Twitter like it ever was. It's so much more like a community. There's so much nicer people there. I love it for sure. It's also crazy how you just type like haunted or something and people will find you. And you know, it's like the people that you want to find you and the people you want to find like you, And I'm like, this is crazy, Like I don't know what they're doing over there, but it works whatever. I love that algorithm so much. I've never changed Threads. Please stay the same because it's working for those of us that want to find you know, life minded people who aren't dicks. Yeah, like just as spooky people that are cool, you know. Okay, So I do have my listener story and if anyone wants to send us their personal huntings, you can do that at a spooky toes at gmail dot com. You can also submit it on Discord. The think is in the show notes. We also have the Spooky hotline that never is in the show notes. You can only leave three minute voicemails on there, so keep it sure if you're doing that or call again because it'll get cut off, or you know whatever. We'll work something out if you need something else. So yeah, this one is from Discord, so let's just get into it. Hi, I have one spooky tale. I don't know if it's scary enough. Sorry if my English is bad. Here it goes. This was almost eighteen years ago. I am working abroad in Japan. I am renting this room from a friend. I work night shifts. I am asleep during the day, and I'm a light sleeper, so every time I switch sleeping positions, like turning to my side, I am usually aware or conscious. This time, when I turned something exhaled on my face. No, that's horrifyeh. I opened my eyes and nobody was there. So I got up and went to my friend's room and asked if she went in my room. She said to breathe a leap. Imagine that, She said, isn't it obvious I'm asleep. This was around nine am, so I never went back to sleep after that. Even before moving in the apartment, I would sometimes sleep over. One time, while I was doing my makeup, I saw a shadow standing by the door. When I turned to look, it was gone. It was in the room that I ended up renting. So it's not really surprising what happened to me, but it was a bit scary. Yeah, that's scary. Japan, Okay, so so so funny that you bring up this Readish story. Because part of my job is kicking out spirits from houses, and so I've always made this joke like what if we get a bunch of bruhas together and we go and kick out all these spirits and we basically get like free or cheap houses in Japan because most of these houses are abandoned because they're considered haunted. I will tell you, though, I'm not afraid of anything anymore after doing this for so long and you know, having like hands on experience, like nothing fucking scares me. But Asian shit is really scary, Like Asian shit is really dark. It is it is. I've encountered a few spirits like from that culture. I was like, God, damn, Like this is intense. So that's crazy. I would have. My instinct also is like, oh, like, who the fuck is really you get out of my face. When you said that part of your job is to kick out spirits, it made me think of the episode of this fool. Did you watch that? I know, yes I did. Yeah, so there's an episode where I forgot everyone's name already in this show. But the mom, so she retires because she's like this hard working Mexican who just can't stop working, right, so that she retires from her job, but she pretends that she's still working. Like, she doesn't tell her family for whatever reason. Right, she tells them she's doing some leisure old people activities, and really she ends up house cleaning for an old white lady. Yeah, she goes to this lady's house, pretends to be the house cleaner, and then when the when the real house cleaner gets there, then she starts pretending it's like a ghost and she starts yelling at it to get out, and like just a bunch of out words. Yeah white. So she doesn't speak Spanish and so then she's doing it all in Spanish and yeah, and that is that's funny. That's one way to get rid of someone. Oh my goodness, Well, let's hear a story of like you getting rid of a spirit or something that's yeah, that's horrifying. And I'll tell you, guys, one of my most intense house slempias that I've ever done. So I was on Instagram. I had my business before and I had more followers, and I deleted it for a while, so I can't find this person for the life of me. One day, this woman contacts me and she's like, oh my god, I need your help so bad. She was sending me videos of her kids toys like just bouncing in broad daylight by themselves, the cars being played with crazy things moving all over the house. Her CCTV cameras would capture specters moving like all of these things. Oh my god. The activity was like a horror movie. It was insane. So I fortunately completed my apprenticeship with my godmother and a family friend. This is one of the very first houses where I was like, bitch is we need to get together and you need to help me because wow. So I get to this woman's house and I'm like, oh my god, there's so much And so she explains to me like, well, I live right in front of a funeral home and the ashes from the crematorium are always hitting my house. That yeah, so you can only imagine it took us quite a while to clear that house. And so one thing I will tell you. A lot of the time when there's a lot of activity like that, there's usually a demon involved, and the demon will use other ghosts like a battery pack to get more power. Uh. It kind of traps all the other spirits with it, and it sucks off their energy so that it can you know, fuck with people more. That's how it shows it in the movies too. That's true. That's actually, that's the one thing that Hollywood got right. That is actually true. Oh man, I have a bone to pick with Hollywood about some hormovis. But anyway, okay, you can tell us which act. Yeah, so, yeah, we ended up clearing this house. We got right to the demon. We got rid of all of the spirits. And so one thing I'd like to clarify is that I can't completely get rid of the spirits. I get rid of the bad ones I create, ok, so that only the good ones can stay and nothing with bad intentions can get in. So I explained that to her. Also another thing about the person who owned the home. Sometimes it's not always a ghost. Sometimes our repressed feelings can become its own entity and detached from us, and you have like your own Poulter Dice wow, like going around and messing with things. So we had to take care of that for her too, to kind of help her attract them less. But girl, there was no way we could keep all of them out. We only kept the bad ones out because I mean, unless she moved, unless somehow the crematorium like stopped, there is no way we're going to be able to completely put that to a halt. But she paid me very generously because she experienced quite a lot of calm and peace. And the only thing that she told me that she would see, of course, would be outside of the house. Nothing would get in anymore. That was fun. That was very draining. It took quite a long time to get rid of all those spirits. Yeah, something to pay attention to if you live around places where there's a lot of death. There is a funeral home around the corner from my house. There's a funeral home right down the street, and then right down the street from that is a hospice. And I live on the corner of like a street light. So my house is like a bus station for spirits. Like I wake up in the middle of the night and I go in the living room and I see people like sitting on the couches like they're waiting for something. Oh my god, this has been my life since I was like four or five. That's I mean, I guess you're used to it. Does it still scare you? Nothing? Like I said before, Like nothing really scares me? Oh yeah, say that. It's just like they bother me like they heard asked me twenty four or seven three, six five days year? That sounds horrifying it, you know, like they show me. I'm surprised they tried to scare me too, Like they'll show themselves like all ugly like and I'll be like, what bitch away, I'm trying to sleep. Like at this point, it's just like whatever I've learned how to coexist with a lot of spirits. And so I don't know if you guys have seen any of my friends, but I was talking about how I go. I live in Opasso, so right next to us is what is So I go to what is frequently? Oh yeah, did you mention since you brought up Apaso right now, and it's gonna be in my head El Paso High School. Yeah, so that's like where the most haunted high school is, right or? Am I remembering. All of America. Okay, Okay, yes. So the reason why it's so haunted is because it was like a morgue for World War two soldiers for a long time. That's what its whole purpose was. It was just like a mound and it was a bunch of tunnels and they decided to just fucking blow it up and build a school on top of it. Good idea, right, And so some people if you know how to navigate them, like, you can still go down there and explore the tunnels if you know how to get there. There's still some there. But the biggest problem with it is that it's a gigantic open portal. It's an insane portal. And I have attempted to contact people from the administration, like I can actually help you, because I feel like people have tried to before and they failed. But this portal is so intense that the whole top floor of the school is completely locked to everyone, Like no one is about to go in there. There would be oohs dripping from the walls, oh like black bees. Like they couldn't explain like half of the crazy shit that was happening in the very top floor, so they just close it off, like no one can go in there. They're like, out of sight, out of mind, We're not going to do with it. But I've been on the grounds, I've been in the football field, I've been inside the school building. Yes, it is extremely haunted. There are so many spirits. And I'm like, oh my god, how would I even go about like cleansing all of this. It's so big. And so I am actually from a small town outside of this city called Favans, Lower Valley represent And so in the seventies, I believe my high home high school was playing a game of football game versus another high school and one of the football players from the team from my hometown looked into the crowd on the benches and he saw a little girl in a white dress. Oh my god, not a white dress. Yeah, So he commented to someone like, hey, like, you guys see that weird little girl. He died. They would they did, They kick off and they you know, like in football, and. He died and he was the only one. That's hard. Yes, And so people have this like figuring now that oh, well, if you see her, you're gonna die. I've seen her a bunch of times. She's like, Hey, what's up and you're here to tell the tales. Yeah no, no, no, I don't know. I guess like people just kind of made that conclusion based off of what happened. But yeah, in my hometown, in the in the locker room, like they have the plaque with his picture and everything when he passed away, and I don't know, I feel like she was just like, hey, so they're gonna come pick you up. I'm going to escort you. I really don't think that that legend is true at all. She caused it or anything. No, no, no, definitely not. But she is there though. I've seen her in the windows because I used to go break into the grounds at night. You know, I've gotten in trouble so many times for being at different cemeteries after hours and stuff, and I just like played dumb. I'm like, oh, I didn't. Know A yeah, I didn't check the time. Yeah. Oh no, oh really oh it closed? Yeah oh wow, I didn't know. No, I've never had any trouble except one time I did have to run from security because another group of people parked their car on the street and it was obvious that there were people there. That was fun. But yeah, I've visited a lot of the haunted spots around here. This whole area is extremely haunted because well, if you remember the war between the United States or Texas over between the United States and Mexico, there's a bunch there's a bunch of deaths that happened here. I see a lot of Native spirits out here, but there is so much energy like trapped here from all of that sadness and anger that happened that My job is I get paid. I get paid pretty often to go out there and help clear some stuff for people. It's it's insane, insane, how like conted the city really is. But it's fine. I guess you'll never be out of business. Yeah, da that And I'm glad I'm able to help people in that way because me, as a child, like I didn't know how to do or how to deal with anything. I'm actually glad you just brought that up because I was about to ask, like, what was your first experience that made you realize that you had this? People call it undona gift. I I'm not sure about that, but I guess the ability you know. All of you have it. You have it. Everyone says that, and I'm like, no, thank you, No. You do. It's just there's a time period as a child's where you kind of start to ask questions, and you know, if your mom or your dad are like no, like those things don't exist or this and not, like you kind of close yourself off to it. So my first experience as a child, I was like four, and I was asleep in my bedroom and we had this big dresser with a big vanity mirror, and I looked up and I see this woman with dark hair in a really long, like red ball gown. And I looked in the mirror. There's no reflection, so I was like, what the fuck am I seeing? She turned and she looked at me, she away, and she ran into the wall and she disappeared. Wow. Yeah, that was the most part. That was the very first like extremely vivid experience that I'd ever had. And so as I grew up, like like I finally was able to get answers. Well, it turns out that that was myself from a past life. WHOA, And I was like, why what are you down? What? What? What? What? And then ever since then I've been able to see them, hear them, feel them. My mom kind of dismissed it. She was like, shut up, like that's not true ninety stuff. And later I asked her, I was like, why did you Yeah, like why did you think I scared? Yes, that's exactly what she said. She was like, really I was. I didn't know, because she later explained to me too, like, well, when I was your age, I was playing with some Burton Arne dolls in front of a mirror, and when I lived in the mirror, the dolls stood up and told me to come inside the mirror, and I got O my god, and I got scared of that way. And so she was like, I like didn't. I was scared of those things, like nobody taught me how to deal with them or what they were. So she's like, I was, I was afraid, Like I didn't know how else to handle it except for to like for you to ignore it too. And I feel like that's how most parents tend to handle it, because nobody really knows, like what the fuck when it comes to stuff like that. 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The best support that you can give us is just listening to our episodes here, so thank you for doing that. Now. A lot of members of my family are a lot more comfortable because I've never been afraid to be myself or to talk about the things that I experience and I do, and so a lot more of my family members are more comfortable with sharing like their own experiences. But yeah, I can only imagine what she felt. Also, one thing I like to talk about threads I talked about not too long ago, because I go to Mexico pretty often. That's another very haunted place. What's sold on. The spirits are different, you know how, Like our culture here is totally totally different from the one over there. Like I feel like people here are more entitled and more selfish, and Mexical people are not like that. People are very caring. People are very respectful, very polite. Same thing with the ghosts. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah here in the States. Like I'll cross the border and I'll get here, and the ghosts will be like, hello, I know you can see me. Hello, pay attention to me. I need your help. I know you can see me. Oh does things make stuff in Mexico. I'll see them and they'll see me, and they'll be like and then leave alone. I love that mindful Yeah, No, I'm being totally serious. They are so polite and respectful. They don't bother me, they don't follow me home. It's so nice. I see them in public, It's like seeing a live person, just like, oh, excuse me, excuse me, that's it, no problem. I absolutely love it. And ah man, just the culture shock is on both sides of the living and the dead is pretty crazy. But okay, I started to do doing this. I started reading cards and everything in like twenty eighteen. But before then, the whole reason why I even started doing it was because I kind of went through another level of like conteens. So when I turned eighteen, my great grandma passed away. And I know that, like a lot of people are very weary of religion because of you know, the patriarchy and. You know everything and everything all those things. Yeah, well, when my grandma passed away, I felt like a bunch of protections that she put in place went with her because I started getting sleep paralysis, I started getting like really fucking haunted. And so I like to call that my spiritual boot camp era, oh wow, because I learned how to defend myself from these things. And So there is a cemetery out in the outskirts in the boot from the little town I'm from. We call it Laila because it's out where all the farms are, and it's always if you don't know how to get there, you don't know how to get there. And it's old, it's super super old. We're talking like indigenous graves are also there. I'm just marked with wooden crosses because they're sold. And I frequented cemeteries a lot by myself, and I learned the hard way not to take shitty people with me to sacred ground. Oh yeah. I had a friend who was like, I've never experienced anything paranormal or spooky, and he's like, I'd love to, and I was like, okay, we'll let me take you to this place I know. And so you have to drive down a road. You have to pass all these beautiful trees, and eventually you hit a dirt road. You can see the fucking border from where you are. It's just desert and it's this cemetery. There's also lare behind the church down the street from now. I'll get into that in a second. Okay, we pull up to this to the cemetery and it's got iron gates at the front. We're just driving by, recruising by, and when we get to that gate, I swear in my life you hear like fists pounding, like someone's fucking doing this on the gates, oh as hard as they possibly can. And we both looked at each other and we were like fuck no, and we turned around and we left and we go back to my house. It's like two or three o'clock in the morning. So we're sitting outside my house and we're like, oh shit, that was scary. Oh well, let's forget about it. Let's hit a fucking ball. We're smoking in my friend's car, and let me tell you that the gone jump makes your ability to see things a lot stronger. So we're sitting there and we're smoking, and all of a sudden, my friend goes, did you fucking see that? So do you keep seeing something out of the corner of your eye, like running around the car? And I was like, oh no, yeah I do. And so like it goes faster, and it goes faster, and it gets closer to the fucking car, and we're just ignoring. We're gonna keep smoking and just pretend that nothing's fucking happening. And then both of my locked front doors like just fly open. Oh no, oh, oh my god. And I was like, it's time for you to go home. I need to call my aunt because my aunt is the super spiritual, like super advanced woman. I call her at three o'clock in the morning, and she fucking answers and I'm like, the oh my god, I don't know. We went to the cemetery and we came back and I was just like in the middle of the night, and so she's like, it's like an angry old man and his daughter, and I was like, so we brought more than one fucking. Oh my god, that sounds I was gonna say, an angry old man sounds like the kind of spirit you don't want. But then also, no, their spawn. This person was extremely angry, and so I didn't really know anything about how I what I know now. I was like eighteen nineteen. I was still young and dumb and not really like, I didn't know shit. So I was left alone in that house. I was terrified to be at that house during the day for several months because this spirit would literally chase me around the house during that day. I was terrified. Eventually it left, but yeah, I learned that that day. I learned and also that friend like turned out to be a terrible fucking person. He told me that he was born in a Satanic mid wiffery in Mexico. Those exist. You think magic is scary, Satanic magic in Mexico is so much more scary. Yeah, he turned out to be a trash person, you know. Oh God, I'm sorry of making some connections now. So that cemetery, the spirits were pissed off because we have a Satanic cult in the town I'm from and they used to use this part of it. No, no, thank god. No, I know they've killed people and stuff like that too. They have a sacrificial like altar like out in the desert. Yeah, there's a whole lore about the little town I'm from. They used to use that cemetery for rituals. So naturally the spirits would be pissed off, you know what I mean, because that's sacred ground. Well I'm sure I feel like they realized, like, hey, like that motherfucker is part of that ship. Like let's get out. Of that bitch over there. Yeah, oh my god. So there's a little church down like just a little like a few a couple of feet like maybe like thirty feet away from that cemetery. And this is a true story. The Sunday school teacher murdered his whole cluss in that church. Oh my god, I'm sure that would add to. That the angry Yeah, absolutely absolutely, So yeah, I've been through some stuff, so so much lore and you know, I've talked to other people too about like I have a friend that used to live out in the desert where that altar was, and she's like that that cult is real, and I was like, yes, it's very real. And I'm sure it's one of those things where you hear it and you're like all those stories, but then there's like someone that actually like, no, I know, someone like it's real, and you're like, oh. Yeah, it's like feelings validated. What else. Yeah, the place I'm from is so fucking haunted, Like it's so fucking haunted out here. It's ridiculous. But a positive experience that I have. I take people out to the desert from my hometown because there is a cowboy spirit on a horse, and I have literally taken people out there and he lets you touch the horse. WHOA. I've taken other people who also are like open to stuff like this too, and they're like, that's is there a fucking cowboy or herd Like, guess you can see him, what's up? Like he's my little like ghost tour stock. He's so nice. I like him so much. So there's I know, we mostly talk about like the negative and scary spirits, but there's so many good ones out there too, you'd be surprised. That's interesting because I mean, like you always hear about like ghosts are people that like can't move on. Sometimes not necessarily, I will tell you that the overwhelming amount of them are that have a lot of like repressed emotion and just don't want to let go. But when your loved ones pass away, and especially if they're like if they have like a heart of gold and they're an especially good person, they actually get like a pass to like. Hang out, oh, because they want to see what their loved wond are up to and stuff. Yeah. So, my husband's grandmother passed away not too long ago, and she was such a sweet lady. My god, I loved her so much. Everybody did. So after she passed away a few months because my oldest daughter is five and she's also waking up to all of these things. Really, my mother in law pulls me aside and she's like, hey, do you know what. Angry told me what and she was. She said that she sees Morna in her room and that she sleeps next to her, and that she told her that she was afraid to die, things that a five year old can't make up, you know what I mean? Yeah, And that she also told my daughter that she was there to protect her from the spirits. Because my daughter's waking up, which means other things are start to notice she's around. She has so many protections in her room, it's crazy, poor baby. My mother in law was like, I was like, you know, she's not making that up. Like where where would she think of this? You know what I mean? This was in your family? Then? Yes, yes it does. All my kids are super witchy. Often my kids are very like spiritually strong, like really really strong. And whether your grandmother or your great grandmother that you mentioned that passed away and like all the protections went with her a great grandmother, Okay, does she have like the same abilities to then I would assume if she was like protecting or. Going to say, I'm going to say her and my great grandpadget they were Catechism teachers and they were very, very enveloped in Catholicism, like you know, most Mexican grandparents are. But what was different about them was that they wanted to know everything about their religion, not just the cherry pick shit. They wanted to know the ugly, they wanted to know the bad, they wanted to know the corrupt. They wanted to know everything, to the point to where they broke away from the church for a little bit because they didn't agree with what was going on. Wow. Yeah, so they're my most prominent ancestors. I talk to them quite often. I love that that's something that we don't and I don't know, maybe it is a common thing. But like our mom, ever since our great grandpa, her grandpa passed away, she would always like pray to him, like not pray to him, but like asking for protection, like we're going to go on a long drive, like keep us safe and now our our grandpa has passed away. To when we do the same thing as said, I feel like it's yeah, see, I don't know, it just feels so natural. Yeah, of course, I mean, you know, the whole thing WITHRTOS. I love that it has its own day. But you should venerate your ancestors all the time, not just on one day. I love that we have like our own Mexican Halloween, you know, but. Yeah, every day. Every day should be the day to venerate your ancestors. Something our our dad does or not himself because he doesn't do anything. But like his family growing up that there was no like Day of the Dead, like altar. It was. They just had like an altar all the time, like two four seven was there every day. It was up absolutely well. Our mom has hers up all the time like a little yeah, like section, I need to do that too, and then like teach my children not to touch it. With that girl, I have the same problem I have. My children have five two and. One Oh so small okay mine, uh one is five right now. He turns six in November, and then the other one just turned three in August. That's still more independent age. You're so lucky. Yeah, it's a little easier now. But that one, that one years, the one messing you up. Yes, he is, Oh my god, I love him so much. And it's funny because he is very very strong spiritually. I don't know if you guys know anything about the astrol realm. No, I really heard the word and like as injection and that's like the extent of it. Yeah, you guys have seen Insidious. Yes, that's how the astro realm is. That shi it is real. So me and my cousin went and watched that movie, and when we came out, you know, people were like, oh, it's just a movie, like whatever. Me and my cousin looked at each other like, no, it's fucking not. That's our reality. Oh my god, yeah, yeah you can ask. You got to watch it because it's been a few years. Love that movie. I haven't seen the recent one because I heard that it sucked. But I always like, oh my god, I'm like Aliz, like I'm the Mexican version of Elise. But yeah, no, that's that's how things actually kind of are. Like. That was one of the movies that when I saw, I was like they finally got something right. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. So my son astral projects a lot, and I'm always like no, baby, no, be careful. It's so scary, and he's like, bitch, I don't need your head. And that's scary though, because like he's I feel like, you know, maybe an older kid is less scary, but a young young kid that like I can't like you have to hold her hands. I'll processed right because they're just gonna run like that. No, that's Everyone makes jokes that he's a grown man and a baby body, and I'm like, yeah. Pretty much. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. No's like I'll be like, baby, no, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me help you, like you don't know what you're doing. And he's like, I need your fucking help, and I'll leave me behind and I'm like, okay, ship, let me know when you come back. I guess that's wild. So my five year old is a little more afraid. She does see some ugly things sometimes and she'll tell me and she'll be like, mom, like I see this and this, and I'm like, yeah, maybe I know. Or when she has bad I'm like, you shouldn't be afraid nothing. You're stronger than anything and everything that could possibly ever try to hurt you. It's the living that you need to be afraid of. Honestly, Oh my gosh, Ore, that's so I love that you said that, because that's something our dad has always told us. Lives like, It's true. Our brother would always say and he probably could see them, but that he could would see these shadows like shadow things, beings, and like not even just shadows, but like full on like apparitions. Him and my mom and they would tell each other like, oh, I was like scared, and then my dad would just like you'd think he wasn't paying attention, and then he'd cut in like, oh, don't be scared of that, be scared of the living, and we'd be. Like really, that's absolutely true, like really, like again, you know, nothing really scares me because of anything, Like where to try to approach me, I'd be like, bro, I will leave you alone, but if you fucks me, I will banish you from ever coming near. Here is don't don't fuck like everything else. Yeah, and I guess if you work in your work is literally and getting rid of these things. Of course you're not scared of them. You know you can get rid of them. That's insane. Oh true, true, Wow. Especial belief. Like I feel like I became the person that my younger self really needed growing up. That's beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I'm super grateful. It was a very long and extensive process, but yeah, exorcism and of people and houses is my specialty. Man, that sounds that sounds scary, like if you hear it in a sentence, But no, just no, I. Mean not for me again, Like it's what it is. I know how to protect myself. I know how to protect the people involved. It's more of like coaching the people I'm working with to like, Okay, hold on, relax. I know this seems scary, but I promise you've got you like just breathe, breathe. You seem like the perfect person for this, like job too. Yeah, yeah, like wow, like a match made. So are you? Did you retire from the military? You got out? How did that work? I did my four year contrasts and then just you know, bounce like that. My husband's a retired infantry veteran who also sees shit, so like we'll come together and he'll be like, I saw this in the closet, I saw this in the hallway. We'll be watching a movie and like a book or something will fucking fly across the room and we'll be like, and we'll keep watching the. Movie, like now right now we're trying to watch. Really just don't pay attention to it whatever, But one thing we see a lot here in this house, I guess because we're parents, we see a lot of spirits of children, a lot of spirits of children. Little girls. Do you believe this thing because a lot of other people or some people say that spirits of children are not really spirits of children, that they're like sometimes more evil things. That's like a thing. But there are also like actual spirits of children. Let me tell you an experience that my aunt has had. So her daughters are also honestly, they're stronger than I am. They're more a weight. It's friendly, not gifted. Yeah, a couple of well. It's mostly the women. It's mostly okay, Okay. My aunt, her youngest daughter is the one that's the strongest woman. Like I mean, she would draw pictures of like what she would see, and I'd be like, oh shit, Like she would see things like in the flesh, like full on, like they were standing in front of her. And so when her middle or the oldest second oldest sister lived with her, there was this little girl that she kept seeing in a bush from across their apartment. And I stayed with them, so I know exactly what she was talking about. She's like, I kept seeing this little girl like standing in that bush. But I had a really bad feeling about it, so I ignored it. Well, she says that in a dream, her sister brought the little girl inside the house and it turned out to be like a man, like a very evil man, and god. Yeah. Yeah, if there's anybody, my aunt journals everything, and if she ever leaves me anything, I hope she leaves me her journal because I would love to read about all because she's had insane fucking experiences like that. Man. Also, that's so like terrifyingly like insidious that it came in through like a dream. That's so like, yeah, tricky. Yeah, this reminds me one time. And I've told this like maybe just a couple of times on here, and it's been a while, so I'm going to resay it to tell you. But my previous co host and I am J we were researching this thing called the way Chivo in Mexico. It's like a shape shifting thing basically like Mexico's version of this. It's like this old belief, such an old belief, and we were researching that for an episode of like it was like episode three, it was so or five some shit like that. So early on, but in the middle of all that research. One of those nights, I fell asleep, so I was like asleep and then I heard like I kept like tossing and turning, and then I know it was like three am because I looked after I woke up. But in my dream I heard this like raspy ass man voice and it said like oh, and it was in Spanish and it said in Spanish, oh, you wanted to be able to see us, Well, here we are, bitch like Buddha. And then then and I was cold. I was so cold, and my heart was racing, and I just put on the office on my phone and I was like, oh my god. When I tried to wake my husband up and he wouldn't wake up, and I was like fuck. And then none of my kids came in that night. They always would storm into the room and just sleep with us, and they didn't even do it that night. Everything and ever since then, I nothing, And I'm so thankful for that, because you got scared. Your mind was like fuck, no, we're not going to be open to shit, close the door. None of this. No, that's so funny. Yeah, shit from Mexico is intense because like, well, let me tell you that growing up like I was like, ah, I'm this goth kid. Uh, the got kids from Mexico would buryme me dude, because like death is everywhere in Mexico. That's very too, especially like wadis especial. I mean, I love going there, but we don't go in neighborhoods we don't know. We don't go places we don't know, we go where. Well, even when we go to guerd Dahada, my mom has told us, you know, if you're visiting Artheas, she has to be at the bus stop to meet us, so people know that we know her and we're not just like random people walking through. Because they'll try to fucking rob you. And he didn't have you and should like no lie, Like death is heavily, heavily prominent in that country. So like I love watching scary vitos. We'll fucking fall asleep watching like reels. I can tell when they're real and when they're not real too, And we'll stay up and we'll watch scary videos all fucking night. We'll fall asleep to listening to scary videos. I will tell you the spirits of Brucastrum over there are pretty scary. Oh I could, I can see those are some of the scary stories. I'll throw hands, but like a lot of the time, they don't bother me. I see them, but they don't bother me. And so there was this one videover watching where this man was being followed by one and if you've ever seen a spirit of a bruca, it's just a bitch with a skull face and long hair. And so she kept following him and he couldn't get her to go away to the point to where he was recording, and she was sitting in the fucking backseat of the truck. And I was like, you did something, really, you did something to being haunted by something like that. Oh yeah, girl, the ship you can get away with in Mexico. I was looking had him because I can read energy too, and I was like, you fucking deserve to be haunted by this spirit. I hope that she fucking empowers your energy because you deserve it. Damn Yeah, dude, that feminine rage for femicide feaside so bad in Mexico. Like it really is. And then especially again, especially what Is There's a whole podcast called What's It called cover Forgotten? In What Is Forgotten? What Is? I think it's what the name of it, but it covers the Machilaa workers that all went missing. It's such a good well made. It's like it's so old now. I'm sure there's way more deaths that are not even accounting in that podcast. When we drive out there into the desert going towards the mountains, like, I sit there and I think about, like, how many mass graves we're fucking passing the we don't see. It's insane, see like things on the road as you're like driving. Oh yeah, man, oh yeah. One time a spirit did follow me home, and my husband's always telling me that I look like the Adidas that are like begging on the winter. I kind of do. I'm not gonna lie, And I was like, well, there's my indigenous roots. But one day there is nothing wrong with looking like that. I don't know. One time one did follow me home, a spirit of one, and she is mad, and she didn't say anything. She just wanted to be witnessed. She presented herself to me and she was very sad and angry, and I was like, you don't have to stay here, you can. Pass on, and gave me chills. Yeah, oh, girls, is my. Everything to cry. It sounds beautiful. It's such a powerful thing, like people just want to be like witnessed and to be heard. Wow, wow, the poor thing. I'm so grateful that I am able to do what I do too, because a lot of these people really did just want compassion and understanding that they never got. Especially over there. Man. Everyone is spoor and works so so so hard just to live. And I mean you can die just walking on the street over there trying to googleet groceries or something. Death is very prominent in there. But I've had nothing but good experiences going over there, So I'm grateful to have people that know, you know, like I have family over there now because of my husband, and I love it. I love being over there. But I'm also highly aware that there's a lot of danger. Yeah, yeah, like it because there's people that are like, oh, I will never visit Mexico, but it's like you can go. You got to be careful, yeah, wherever you are. Do you know where I really want to go though, because I feel like I have work to do. Their The Mummy Museum in Guanajuato. Have you heard of that? Yeah, we have, we heard of the witch that's that, like Si, I. Want to go set her free. Yeah, and just the way they were keeping her was crazy because it was one so bad for her. She is probably not even a witch from what I've read and make research about it. She's just a woman. Yeah. They they had her body changed. No, No, she wasn't a witness. They finally unchained her. You know. But man, I know I want to go release. Most of spirits need to be to be released because they died in such a fucking agonizing way. That's a lot of them stayed trapped there, so something I'm probably going to end up doing if I ever end up traveling over there. But yeah, I'm super super grateful to be able to do what I do. I also help people pass away. I'm also a death dola. Oh I wanted to ask about that. Yeah, Repressed feelings and stagnant energy are what can trap us here, which is what I release, and then I lift the soul and release them also into the realm where they're supposed to go. Super grateful. I've had My mom had me really young, so I've been around. I watched my great grandfather's mother passed away. Oh yeah, a lot. I watched a lot of older family members pass away as small as a kid. So I'm very, very very used to being around people who are passing on. So naturally, you know, that became a part of my job also, right, I love it. It's a beautiful experience. Personally, it's very rewarding. It's very validating for me to like, I feel like child Mead would be very happy with what I'm doing, because, you know, everything that I saw was extremely valid, and and then I forgive everybody for the religious bullshit too. You know, like one time, I remember I saw a bunch of spirits and I didn't know what to do, and my grandma just like started throwing holy water in the air where I would point and I didn't do anything unless they're I still stay there. But my mom would make fun of me, and I'm like, fucking, you're another one seeing all this stuff. I was because she scared me into thinking that it was bad, and I was like, you're like, and. I would do though, right, I think not not so much now that I've talked to not only you, but I think at least a couple of other menims we've talked to on either the our shows or our show, and it seems like it's now that I've talked to all of you, like, it's not as terrifying as maybe I thought it was at one point. No, definitely not. I still get so scared, though, as long as you come with a respectful intention, Like I actually came back from Gonia, which is one of the oldest cemeteries in Old Passo too. We're talking like eighteen hundreds, ohld. I was just like, what's that, guys, hello, passing through And then when I passed by that cemetery sometimes I'm like office hours are from such and such. I'm not working right now, leave me alone. Yeah, I love that. I love that because, yeah, you got to have like your sent and boundaries, like you know, only we can't talk right now. No, I'm like I have like erins to do or something I'm late to some appointment, like I don't have time. And I hear them too like say no, no, say no, and I'm like, nah, oh my god. Yeah. My life has been very interesting. And I completed my apprenticeship when I was like twenty twenty one. I'm twenty seven now, so I've had a lot of I gained a lot of knowledge really quickly as a young person, and so now I'm just kind of figuring out how to show other people that this is not so bad. Oh my gosh. And that's something we hear so much with other mediums and terror readers and people with disability, that it's like it's not the thing to fear, especially like younger you know, Latino, Latina, Mexican like relatives like because if you know you can see it, usually there's another person in your family that can. Maybe you can say him from not being so scared, like my brother was so so scared. And maybe if someone else that also wasn't astroumatized from these experiences because our mom was too. Yeah, maybe if someone else like you would have been around when he was a kid or when our mom was a kid, maybe it would have been a better experience for both of them. Yeah, definitely. And if there's one thing I have a fucking bone to pick with about Hollywood when it comes to horror like this, they make it seem like whatever supernatural force you know is stronger than you. That's not fucking true. You are so much stronger than anything that's trying to scare you, but you forgot So they take advantage of that and they try to use it to manipulate you and scare you more. No. Now now I'm like, you're fucking dumb, Like I will fuck that, literally, use my spirit to punch you in the throat. Get the fuck away from me. It's totally different now. But yeah, I'm trying to change that, starting with my kids, and you know, with the people that come to me for help. I do my best to explain as much as I can. I give as many free resources as I can, because, oh man, I guess I'm meant to help everybody, like become more comfortable with the fact that, you know, other dimensions exist among ours, and that's something that's really hard for a lot of people to be comfortable with. I will tell you. I can say I'm used to it, but at the same time, not really because energy from other dimensions it's kind of weird, feels weird. Sometimes it feels heavy, sometimes it feels different, and a lot of people become really overwhelmed with stuff like this. I'm here to try to make it a little bit easier. How do you take care of yourself to not like let it like affect you that much. I have to meditate, I have to I have to. I have to. I have to. Your mind, your body, and your spirit are all connected, and when one is in balance, the other is in balance. So it's really important to maintain all three. And so you know, meditation helps you spiritually, but it helps you physically too. It helps lower your cortisol levels, it helps you do stress. Negative feelings, I will tell you can create holes in your aura that make it easier for things to try and attack you. I'm not trying to scare anybody into not having negative feelings, but you know, like a long period of depression or a long period of anger, like those feelings can literally like create holes in your protective barrier, and letting them go helps fix that. So yeah, it's a lot of information. I'm glad you asked that, Carmon, because I was about to ask that too. Oh yeah, well we're reaching an hour and I got to eat dinner, so let's wrap up, right, But first, spooky recommendations. We'll start with you. Do you have any Emily books or movies, whatever you want, whatever you want to share, Okay, your most like love spooky recommendation. Okay, so I really like fuck what is his name? It's because I watch a lot of like paranormal videos on YouTube. If you speak Spanish, rat snick. Oh, yes, okay. I also love Chapel. I love him. My favorite book ever that I can read a thousand million times is The Shining from Stephen King. I still need to read that, so I need to read it too. And over and over and over and over again, and then I think, Okay. I pick horror films based off of the special effects. The scarier the fucking demon or whatever looks, the better the rating you get from me. So one of my favorite ones was The Demon and Ouija the movie and Wija. I still need to watch that. I haven't watched so So so good and Idious again some of my favorite movies that are pretty good at representing like the dark side of the spirit realm and what it actually looks like. What else? I have so many, girl, it's ridiculous. I've been watching all this ship since I was a little kid. I really liked Terrifying for the Gore. Oh one or two, I haven't seen. Two, but one was really good. Okay, I still haven't seen those either, and then I haven't. I have My husband wants to go mining for crystals in caves, and I have a fucking fear of tea. Because of all of. The movies, yes, all these ones about caves. Bro God, wow, So. The people in real life that get stuck in the caves for real. Like it happens often? Then not? Yeah, I'm sad and scary. And he's like, what's even I'm like, sir, we watch horror movies for fun. Have you seen The Descent for real? And you probably see stuff down there too. So yeah. And then the one place I've always wanted to go, and if you can go, fucking one hundred percent recommend is the Catacombs in Paris because colonization. My ancestors are from their Paris. Yeah, France, we're French, you know, the French colonization of Mexico. I have a lot. I was gonna say French, the French to have a long history in Mexico. Yeah, yeah, so I have. I have French ancestry, and I know my husband is too because they showed me the family tree and they showed me a picture of their French immigrant ancestors with their fucking luggage like coming over there in Mexico. So I was like, okay, a lot of you motherfuckers like breeding with us, and that explains why I am a pale skin. Latina makes a lot of fucking sense. I would love. I would love to go to the Catacombs, but I know there's a lot of ugly shit down there too. So many stories, Cormen, do you have any speak you company? I do, because last time I had like a bunch and I had to split it up because that was going to go on and on, and then I had to do something. Nightmares and Dreamscapes by Stephen King. Oh, i've heard of that. Oh, I also haven't read that. It's only wout Salem's Lot. It's a book full of short stories that he read unfinished. Oh my god, it's so good. It is so good. One of the stories is about this man who keeps seeing this little boy in a mask and every single time that he sees him, like someone does. It's good pages, and. It's just short stories that are like like every time you read them. I like reading stories. I'm still reading. Yes, me too. I'm on the like third short Stories. But that's also another great book which in my own Oh You're a further Scorpion the fortieth one. Yeah, Oh wow, Okay, and right hear sometimes when I need a distraction because you know, like you're and then like you can't focus anymore, like every paragraph or so like as I'm hyping. It's so then I take a quick break and I read like a page and I have it like in front of me, right, Oh, I should do that. That way I'll actually finish it. But yeah, my recommendation is the Sound of Gravel by Ruth Damn. I didn't know how to pronounce her name Warrener maybe Warner it's war like w A r I n e r the sound of gravel. But she's the thirty ninth daughter of uh, one of the the founder of the Libaron, the Libaron Coult. Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah we have we talked or you talked about it was I here for the episode. I don't know I were here here. It was when it was the three of us. Yeah, okay, okay, So yeah, because we talked about them it uh And I saw this on my on Libby, so then I'm like, oh, I need to read this. And so yeah, she's a thirty ninth daughter and I couldn't can't remember her dad's name, but Irville is her uncle. Irville Okay, yeah, And I mean I can go on and on, but people should just either read it or listen to it. It's read by Ruth herself. It's just, you know, incredibly infuriating, also lovely to hear she made it through that, but like really, she just she went through a lot too much. It's like every time I thought it couldn't get worse for her, it did. Wow. Okay, So my spooky recommendation is this podcast I just discovered because I was listening to another podcast called Books in the Freezer. Actually that's another good one, Books in the Review Horned just started listening. It's so fun and they have like a theme with an episode, and it usually has other authors as guests or other like book podcasters. So there's like an episode with the book we're reading now for the book club being at that he's the author, there's an episode with him. There's an episode with v Castro, the author of the Haunting of Alejandra, And every episode is seemed around like oh, cozy horror books or horror books about grief or things like that. But in that podcast she mentioned a different podcast called audio Drama, so it's not like a real thing, but the pole premise of this podcast is that people send in their letters and she reads them like their problems, and she gives advice on them. But it's like set in the world where there's like monsters and it's called Monstrous Agonies, So people will send it cools and the episodes are so short, ten minutes, twelve minutes, all under fifteen minutes, it seems, and so it'll be like, oh, I don't know what to do with my roommate. I've never had a roommate that has scales before, and she just like picks them and leaves them everywhere, and I don't know. What to do. It's so gross. Is it wrongs on you to make it's gross? And then the host she's like, no, this is not a you problem. Even if you're not human, you shouldn't be doing this. Think of it as clipping your toenails and leaving it there. Like that's still rude no matter what you are, followed so funny. Yeah, So that is my recommendation because I have been having a great time listening to it. And again, it's Monstrous Agonies because the first time I heard I thought it said monster Agonies and I was trying to find it, and I typed it into my podcast app podcast and nothing was coming up. And then I typed Monster Agonies into Spotify and you can type the most random shit misspelling at Spotify will find it. And so I found it and I'm like, oh, it's Monstrous Agonies. So that is my recommendation. It's been funny. I love I have been enjoying it so far. And yeah, before we go, do you want to tell our listeners where they can find you if you want to be found? Okay, just on my Instagram right now, it's at Lovely Dark Terro. I do have a YouTube channel, I just can't remember what the fucking user name is, so Instagram for right now is okay, Instagram, and I will share that in the show notes, and then through Instagram you can also on your threads. Yeah, so fun is life, man, I shure, it's been great, full life and all of my so you'll see me occasionally talk about either a memory or an experience I've had, or even like something that I'm experiencing currently. I talk about all kinds of bullshit involving what I do on there. So yeah, perfect, that's it. Yeah, and again, it's such a great place to just like find people. So thank you again for coming on ever being so understanding. I had to cancel last week because I couldn't talk. Say less, you have kids too that are probably in school, like say. Less, it's been Yeah, it's been so fun you seriously, like we already said through a episode, but like the best person to be in the field that you're in. That's just amazing. 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