La Chaneca

Hello, hello, this is Christina and Carmen and this is A Spooky Tales. We are back. We are back from summer break. Yes, we are back from summer break and A Spooky Tales is the podcast for all things spooky, counterplaces, myths, legends, sometimes true crime, spooky books. So yeah, we're back. We are back from our break. However, we are recovering from a cold, from a long, terrible cold that I think I'm almost recovered. I think I have like a couple more days to go before I feel close to 100%. I'm like almost there. I can feel it. You look better today. You do. Yeah, you don't look good at all. Good thing we're not doing video. That's true. That's true. anyway today we have a legend what from where is this uh from mexico like wait where i forgot already i have to read the notes okay well we have a legend for you only one and uh oh first send us your listener stories normally we have listener stories to share before our topic but we don't have any So, yeah, send them to us. You can email us poquito.gmail.com. You can send it via DM. There's a lot of ways to get us your stories and we love receiving them. So, yeah, send them our way. So we are talking about La Chanica today, which is a legend from San Luis Acatlan in Guerrero. So there you go. And that's where it's from. Thanks. Yeah. But before we get there, we're going to be talking about Chanikas. Okay. We've talked a little bit about them, but we can always have a refresher. God. Okay. I didn't remember. I was looking around. Oh, well, it was like put together with a Duende episode. Okay. They're very Duende-like. Yeah. Okay. So that must have been a while ago then. It has been a while. Yeah. Okay. So sorry if this is repeating information then, because I didn't find it when I was looking. You should have asked me. I did. I said, oh, wait, I only said La Chaneca, huh? Yes. Whoops. Well, I didn't remember. And I said, I don't know about La Chaneca. Okay. Well, I didn't remember anything about Chaneca. So anyway, they're kind of new to me because I don't remember you talking about them at all. And maybe you'll correct me on some stuff because there was like a lot of different things that I found. Well, there's a lot of different... stories about them or different versions or different iterations, if you will. Yeah, so they're like a pre-colonial belief from, I found from Aztec, Mayan, Totonac, and Mixer, it is Mixer, right? Oh, okay. An indigenous group living in the mountainous eastern highlands of Oaxaca, Mexico. Okay, so anyway, Mixer mythology. And then I also read that It was a belief that was kind of blended. I don't know how you say, but it's like an Afro-Mexican oral tradition as well. Oh, that I didn't know. Yeah, specifically in Veracruz. And so, yeah, they're kind of like duendes, similar creatures. They're small. They've been described to look like wrinkly old men. And in Nahuatl, the word chaneque means those who inhabit dangerous places or owners of the house. Owners of the house. Yeah, it reminded me of duendes because I think... Dueños de la casa, yeah. Yes, yeah. Dueños de casa, whatever. Yeah. And then when I was like looking around, it was saying that duendes come more from like Spanish beliefs, like Spaniard beliefs. Yeah. Okay, yeah. And then the Chanicas kind of preceded that, but then of course through colonization. They kind of, everything blends together. Yeah. Yeah. And in other areas of Mexico, they were said to appear as children. So sometimes like wrinkly old people and sometimes like kids. Very different stages of life there. Right. The whole spectrum. Yeah. And it is said that chaneques would steal the souls of those who strayed into their domain, which usually is the jungle. And they would do that by scaring the soul of the person's body and burying it underground. And the only way one could get their soul back was through a specific ritual that I couldn't find. So do not get your soul stolen by a chaneke. Don't. Because we don't know the ritual. Don't do it. And yeah, and if the ritual wasn't done, then the person would get sick and die. And like Duendes, the chaneke would lead people astray in the jungle, causing them to wander mindlessly through the jungle for days. And they're also into mischief. Mischief. Things like throwing stones, breaking things, pulling dogs' tails, taking things. Oh, yeah, very, very Duende-like behavior there. And they're also associated with the underworld. They cared for mountains and wild animals, kind of like Duendes, who are seen as like the caretakers of the forest in some places. Yeah, in some places. And some say that Chaneques are the guardians of liminal spaces, places where boundaries blur, like the edges of villages, caves, crossroads, riverbanks. In Tuxtlas, Veracruz, they believe that there are good Chaneques who live among humans and evil Chaneques who are only found in remote places, like caves, forests, the wild, basically. Okay, so the evil ones are in these isolated areas. Yeah, and like many other legends and mythological creatures, the good tourniquets are white and the bad ones are black. And I'm like, it feels a little racist to me. Like the cadejo in El Salvador. That's what it reminded me of. They've also been described as having green or brown skin. Interesting. Which makes sense, like if they live in the jungle, they kind of blend into the surroundings. Yeah, camouflage. And speaking of camouflage and blending in, some legends say that they're also invisible. Oh, okay. In the Tuxlas region, it was said that the Chanekas were ruled over by Chane or Chaneko. Have you heard of Chane or Chaneko? I haven't. Wow. Okay, because I don't know. I couldn't find anything else about him, but this one website said that he was a god of of earth and water. And I'm like, I don't think that's true. Yeah. I'm like, and who are you to say this? Because I never heard of this person. Who are you random website? Or heard of this deity, I should say. Yeah. I don't know. I haven't heard of it either. And then it didn't say like, oh God, to these people, to the so-and-so. Okay. So yeah, that's a little sus. That's how I felt about it. Yeah. And there was only one website that said that. And then I also saw that some traditions believe that the Chanek are the children of Tlaloc. That I have heard, yes. Oh, okay, okay. I feel like that sounds more right to me. I feel like somebody made up Chanek. Somebody just made up this Chanek individual. That's how it feels to me. And yeah, people might remember, listeners might remember that he is the god of rain. Is there anything else? Caves. Anything that falls from the skies. Okay. Yeah. And then I read that because he's the god of rain, then agriculture is under his domain as well. Because like. Yes. Like fertilization, whatever. Exactly. Yeah. And then to me, this felt like when I was reading about it, this next part, it felt more like a Christian belief to me. than pre-colonial but these things get convoluted and whatnot right co-opted right over time but it was said that the chane and i'm like who's the chane made up yeah it must be real i don't know just made up deity the alleged alleged deity chane that he watched over humans and punished sinners especially unfaithful women and ate them as punishment I hate them. Yeah. Right. But like to who is an unfaithful woman, a sinner and why not an unfaithful man that does feel very Christian. Right. Right. And speaking of Christianity, Christianity, Christianity. Wow. We say that. I know I was going to speaking of Christian yet. I feel like something like there's like a, like a demon inside of me. Like I can't say that word. Christianity. Okay. Sometimes, I mean, Speaking of... I'm not even saying the right thing. Speaking of Christianity... Sometimes I worry if I'm possessed. I might be possessed. Anyway, speaking of Christianity... Who's that normal? Speaking of Christianity, it was said that after colonization, the Catholic Friars co-opted the mythology like they did with so many other things, right? Yeah. They... started saying to indigenous people that the chaneques were the result of the devil possessing an unbaptized stillborn child and that that child would become a demon and prey on those that wandered into the jungle. Interesting. That's also not the wandering into the jungle and becoming a demon, but very similar to duende lore, right? which we know is from Spain. But that unbaptized children are more susceptible to Duendes wanting to take them or messing with them. That's right. I forgot about that. So interesting connection there. Yeah. Catholicism also had a version where the Chaneques would take people to the underworld through the trunk of a ceiba tree. Oh, the ceiba tree. Very rooted in mythology and folklore, especially like in southern Mexico. So interesting. And very demonized as well. Yeah. And then others use Chaneque and Duende interchangeably. Yes. Yes. And yeah, that is a little bit about chaneques. Actually, that was a lot of information about chaneques that I didn't know. So thank you. Okay, good. Yes, yes. Good thing I didn't know you had talked about it because then I wouldn't have looked it up. Yes, thank you. Okay, so la chaneca. This is a legend from San Luis Acatlan Guerrero. It is said that many, many years ago, a chaneque fell in love with a young woman named Despite knowing that their love was impossible because they are not the same. One is a human. One is a chaneque. Based on the fact that they were different species. Yeah. One is a mythological creature. Right. One is a fey-like duende. Creature of the woods. Creature of nature. I'm sorry, but somebody write the Akatar version of this. Oh my god, wait. Wait. Wait, you're onto something. I would actually read that. Yeah. Yeah. Someone write that. All right. The young woman left humanity and ran away with the Chanake. And the two lived in the forest amongst the rest of the Chanakes. They lived happily and had a daughter together who they raised among the Chanakes as well. Their daughter was supernaturally beautiful. probably because she was part human and part chaneque. Their daughter grew up hearing about human beings and longed to be part of humanity, even more so when her mother died. So after she got permission from her dad, the two set off to her mom's pueblo. But once they got close to it, the daughter went through a sudden transformation. Her form changed to something more human-like. And sadly, it was impossible for her to return amongst the Chaneques. Aw. Yeah. Heartbroken, her father said goodbye to her and warned her that if she had a child with a human, she would turn mortal. Not worth it. Actually, do we really want to live forever? I don't think so. It's hard to say. Hard choices here. Really? Time passed and the young woman became even more beautiful. Occasionally, the townspeople would catch sight of her while she was foraging for food. The men admired her for her beauty, and they would try and talk with her in hopes of sparking up a romance, a relationship, a situationship, something, something. But because she was half Chanekia, her body would kind of disappear at times. What? What? That's crazy. Well, remember how it said they were invisible? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's like a call back to that. Okay. And so many thought that she was a ghost. So rumors spread that she was supernatural. A chaneca. It was said that the women from the pueblo would throw rocks at her and yell, allá anda la chaneca, allá anda la chaneca. Rude. Wow. Disrespectful. No. No. They were just jealous. After many years of solitude, La Chanega decided she wanted to become human and remembered she would need to procreate with a human man. Yuck. A man. A man. So she began to frequent the rivers and waterholes near the pueblo. Naturally, where you meet men, right? I mean, where else? The square, maybe? Yeah. Always at nighttime for some reason. To try and lure a man and baby drop him? I mean, it was part of her goal to become human, so you just kind of needed a baby. Yeah, yeah. But the men that got close to her would soon run away because they would look into her eyes and know that she was not fully human. So I know, but that would kind of make me feel more enticed to build a relationship because I'm like, that's kind of cool. Okay, monster romance. You're right. This is why I want an Akatar version of the story. It is said that she still roams the rivers and waterholes of San Luis Acatlan. Many towns throughout Guerrero have legends about La Chanica. In some areas, it's said that La Chanica can take the appearance of any man's wife or girlfriend. Oh. And she tries to trick them into hooking up with her so she can finally turn human. But it never works because they get scared when they look into her eyes and realize that she's not human. And then she beats them. And then she beats them, scratches them, and drags them to the point of almost death. No, I'm still on her side. I was going to say I'm almost on her side, but I still am. I mean, she doesn't kill them. She still got me, yeah. She never fully kills them, so yeah, that's nice. But the men do lose their sanity. Lose, lose. It kind of goes back to our rule about leaving women alone if they're in the riverbank. I mean, yeah, yeah. I also found that there's a tape recording from 1979 of an oral tradition from the Nahua community in Oteapan, Veracruz, which talks about a Chanega woman who pretended to be the wife of a campesino and she tricked him. But I don't think anything bad happened from the description. She just took him to lunch, which is kind of nice. Yeah. But I couldn't listen to it. So maybe there's more to the story. But so far, this is actually kind of nice. Just like, oh, it's a little picnic. Yeah. So I had a little description of it and it was seven minutes long, but it wouldn't play when I was trying to listen to it. Damn. It's in the sources. It's like from an archive from Mexico. Oh. There's actually a song from 2017 or 2019 called La Charneca by Los de la Doble M. The lyrics talk about a guy coming home after being out and being taken advantage of by La Chanica. The Chanica leaves hickeys on him and his wife doesn't believe that it was La Chanica. Do you want to hear it? Oh, yeah. Actually, I don't really blame the wife here, though. Who would believe that? Who would believe such a thing? Let's go. Ha, ha. Pretty much just repeats that. Okay. That was very fun. I like it. I like it. Fun little song, huh? Yeah. Yeah. No, that was good. In relation to the Chanekes and Chanekas, there's also a Nawa Popoluka belief in Lamarcki, a cannibal Chaneka. Oh, okay. It says she lives in the treetops of the jungle where she hangs her hammock and takes men captive. And she tires him out with intense sexual activity before she devours them. Wow. Yeah, so she has a good time. Yeah, good for her, I guess. And her captives usually include hunters, lost men, farmers, and adulterers. She was often depicted naked in the countryside or bathing in the river. And besides, like, physically eating men, it was also said that she would feast on them spiritually by capturing their shadow or stealing their souls. Capturing their shadow. Oh, I feel like that reminds me of something. Is it Peter Pan? Oh, yeah. Does he have something to do with shadows? Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Because then there's, like, a shadow version of Peter Pan, right? Right, right. And then, like, is it, like, in, like, Neverland? They don't have shadows or some shit? I don't remember that part. I just remember that he has, like, his... Or something like that. I feel like he's very blended. Oh my God. I was just going to say that. Wow. Twins. Yeah. He's pretty much like an elf, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well. Or is he just a lost boy? He's small, right? Yeah. He's got pointy ears and he's wearing green and he's got a pointy hat. He has to be an elf. Right. He's a duende. He's a duende. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He takes children. He does. Very duende. He's a straight up duende. Yeah. And he's the villain. He is the villain. He's stealing kids. Save the children. Hostage in his island. Fun Captain Hook. He was just trying to free the kids. Save the children. He was just trying. That's what people want, right? To save the children. Or so they say. I don't know. They say. I don't know. Historians attribute the spread of this legend as a way to cope with the depopulation and instability of the time. Fascinating. There was a lot of epidemics and different changes happening to villages and hierarchical communities and things like that. From the 1920s to the 1970s, anthropologists and historians collected stories and anecdotes about encounters with Lamaki. In one instance, a farm worker reported becoming lost in the jungle and returning to his village after 20 days with light injuries and a fever. And he told the doctor that he was fed and pampered by the ladies of the forest, but managed to get away when his captor tried to devour him. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. As I was reading about this, I did kind of wonder like how much of these anecdotes and mythology had to do with the sexualization and objectification of indigenous women. I just couldn't help but think that because like, especially with Lamarcki, there was like so much like sexual stuff. um there's a sexual component about her story yeah and then i saw some of the like drawings they had of her and she just straight up naked um in the river like kind of makes me think of um yeah makes me think of um oh my god what's that other story from uh somewhere in latin america a short woman it was like said to have been made up by uh like, not an Indigenous person, but, like, a white man, but they're always depicted, like, almost naked with very long hair that covers their boobs and their feet are backwards. Yes, yeah. I don't remember who you're talking about, but... And I can't remember a country either. Like, I want to say the Dominican Republic. I think it was somewhere in the Caribbean. But it makes me think of that, too, because they were, you know... And, I mean, and so many stories depicting women, especially from Latin America, and especially when there's, like, an Indigenous... It's an indigenous story. Yeah. There's like the sexualization of a woman, devouring men, the fear of a woman, the demonization of a woman. And yeah, the justification of the bodies of indigenous women. And there was a lot of stories about like her, the Maquis, seducing men against their will, like things like that. The evil, seductress, temptress. Right. Luring a man and then killing him. Yeah. I did read, though, that there are mentions of the Matki go back before. Oh, really? Spaniards. Yeah, like it's like a it is a tradition, but I don't like I don't know how much of it has been warped, you know. And there was also mentions of the Matki in the Spanish Inquisition documents. Really? Mm hmm. And others say that the Matki were small women who during wars were given by the conquered to unmarried warriors as concubines. Oh, yeah. Wow. In 1940 and 1941, anthropologist George M. Foster collected the following story about the Matki. Once upon a time, there was a man who went to work in his cornfield, and there he saw a woman's footprint. He asked his wife about it, which made her think that he was cheating on her so the man went back out to the cornfields and even though he was already married for some reason he said to himself that if he saw the woman he would marry her oh because men just do whatever they want he wasn't beating the cheating allegations he was like fully like diving into them like yeah yeah around noon he was eating lunch outside when the woman appeared And said, hey, are you the man who said you would marry me? And he's like, yeah, are you down? Exactly like that. Way. And the woman said she was, but first she needed to wash his body to get rid of his saltiness. And I forgot to mention when I was talking about the matki before this, but they had like a thing about salt. Like they would like lick the salt off of men. They would lick the salt off and then the men were like good to eat. They had to make them less salty. Okay. But they're still consuming the salt. Interesting. I don't know. Yeah. They had to lick the salt off the man. It's a process. Yeah. It's a whole ritual. And so she licked him until she was satisfied with the level of his saltiness. And then she took the man to her hammock at the treetop. Three days passed and the man's actual real wife... Who was fucking probably looking for him while he's like, I'm going to marry you. Okay. She was looking for him. She was waiting for him. Well, yeah. She was distraught. So she was out in the cornfield looking for him. And up from the treetops, Lamaki was like, oh, hey, there's your wife. She's looking for you and she's crying, but you can't go to her. No, that's kind of evil. And Lamaki told the man that he couldn't talk to her or he would die. Wow. Okay. So the next day, the man went to work in the cornfields. And of course, his wife saw him because they lived like right on the cornfields. She'd been looking for him. And she was already looking out the window like, where is his ass? Yeah. So she finally saw him. So she went out there and she was like, where you been? And he's like, well, I've been here the whole time, which was technically true. He was just up on the trees. Yeah. So she couldn't see him, but he was there. Yeah. Oh, my God. And so they hugged and they walked back home. But three days later... He died. He talked to her. Yeah. She warned him. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, she did. She did her due diligence and told him, if you talk to your wife, you will die. Yeah. Yeah. And it was said that he died because the Matki kept his soul. Okay. And yeah, that was the La Chaneka, the Chaneketh, the Matki story. That was fun. Thank you for working on this. Right. I had fun learning about it, writing it up. I didn't know about these queens. Fascinating. I guess we'll take a little break here. And when we come back, we will have some spooky recommendations. And we're back. Do you have a spooky recommendation? I feel like it can't be Obsession because I think everyone already watched that. that was gonna be mine because i just watched it oh i'll let you do yours then because i have other ones okay well my spooky recommendation is obsession uh and yes i watched it way after everyone else did because i look i don't have a lot of chances to go to the movies i wanted to watch it in the theater but i just uh i ran out of time i didn't watch it either yeah and that's that they like extended the time that it was in theaters really well don't feel bad i missed it too No, I know. So we watched it together. Yeah. Um, that show was crazy. It was. Wow. Just, uh, I don't know what, uh, I love that we're getting like so many unique horror movies that are not part of a, what's it called? Franchise. Like they're just, these are completely new stories, new directors, new to like big movies. Uh, but like people being given a chance, um, So yeah, that's a lot of fun because yeah, what an outstanding movie that like just left me shook. I knew a lot about it. Well, some about it. I knew all about it. I watched all the spoilers, all the videos, all the discourse. I consumed it because I couldn't watch the movie. And although I was fully planning to watch it when it came on streaming, I still, I couldn't help myself. Yeah. And like knowing some of the things already, I was still like fucking shook. Me too. yeah while watching and so yeah no it's a it's a love story you know a cursed love story but um yeah it was a lot of fun and so if for whatever reason you haven't watched it you know definitely check it out um yeah it's very it's very different it's insane though and i guess though if you like if you can't handle gore i wouldn't Oh, yeah. It was very gory. And then there's also animal abuse, which I know some people are, oh, my God, that's worse than when people die kind of thing. Not to be judgmental about or anything, but it really gets to people. You sound kind of judgmental. Yeah, sorry. And that's why I like course corrected. I'm like calling myself out, calling myself in. But also calling yourself in. But also like, uh you know if SA sexual assault rape is something that like really affects you in movies this was bad that was bad that was bad even that scene I couldn't I almost couldn't handle it yeah it was it was disturbing to say the least um but uh I mean yeah what a What a movie that could have prevented if like he just made a different wish and he would have been like, I wish for the courage to just tell her how I feel about her. I mean, why not? Like, why can't I be brave? And then he like cut the stick, you know? Yeah. Like, I wish I was brave and I could express my feelings to the woman I love. I wish I wasn't a fucking loser. Like, that would have been such a better wish. But anything to not respect women's autonomy and choices and independence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even in their benevolent wishes that he didn't know was going to come true. It's still like a harmful. No. Yeah. It definitely highlighted that benevolent sexism. Yeah. Which. He wasn't meaning to. Things like chivalry fall under. Right. And so many men don't understand. Just do a nice thing and open the door for you. um which whatever sure at the end of the day it's not a huge deal but just like steps to it right yeah yeah i don't want to say more about it because i want to do a patreon oh that's right we are yeah about it yeah yeah we'll shut up now that's the rest of our thoughts are behind the paywall or will be behind the paywall yeah yes yes um okay what's your recommendation um okay so i have like a lot i think we have a lot to recommend because we haven't um like two at a time i could no just based about i mean oh okay well no i was going to i was gonna say all of them right now i was gonna say i was gonna say i have a lot to recommend like in the next episodes oh um okay but today's spooky recommendation will be um blood slaves by marcus redmond and this is part of a series that i didn't know at the time when i bought it oh because you usually avoid series yeah i don't really like series but the second one just came out so i'm actually i am probably gonna check that out at some point but this is a well let me just read the description in the province of carolina 1710 freedom seems unattainable for willie for his beloved gertie and for their unborn child They live, suffer, and toil under the brutal master James Big Jim Barrow, whose grand plantation was built by the blood, sweat, and tears of the enslaved. To flee this hell on earth is to be hunted and killed. Until one strange night, Willie is offered a dark hope by Rafazi, an enigmatic slave with an irresistible and blood-chilling path to liberation. Hailing from the kingdom of Ghana, Rafazi... is the lone survivor of the Romanga, an African vampire tribe rendered newly extinct by plague. Rafasi has roamed the world for centuries with an undying desire to replenish the power that once defined his heritage. In Willy, Rafasi has found his first biddable subject to be turned and to help in a hungry revolt. And Willy desires nothing more than to free his people from malicious bondage, whatever it takes. One by one, as an army of blood slaves thirsting for revenge is gathered, the headstrong Gertie fears that no good can come from the vampiric legacy that courses through Afasi's veins. Willy knows that only evil can fight evil, and when the women he loves stand between the re-emergence of the Romanga and the justified slaughter of the oppressors, Willy must make an irreversible decision. Only one thing is certain, on the barrel plantation and beyond, blood will spill. part historical drama, part supernatural horror, and part alternate history. Blood of Slaves is an ingenious and defiant new creation myth of the vampire, one rooted in both justice and sometimes violent means necessary to achieve it. And the sometimes violent means necessary to achieve it. So yeah, it's like a revenge story. Enslaved people become vampires to get revenge on their enslavers and free themselves. So it was pretty good. It was a little slower paced. I was like waiting and waiting for the action to start happening. And it felt like it took forever to get there. But then I realized it was part of a series. And I'm like, oh, that's probably why it took a little longer to get there because of the world building and whatnot. And the description talks about Gertie not wanting Willie to become a vampire. And honestly, she did piss me off a little bit. Because she kept like going on and on about how they can't, it's not right. Being a vampire is evil. They can't fight evil with evil. No, no. See, that's where you lose me. Even though they're enslaved, they can still have good lives. And of course, people had to make lives regardless, right? Of course, yeah. but i'm like if you have the choice to become a vampire yeah if you have the choice to become a vampire to destroy the people who've been enslaving you a hundred percent yeah yeah i'm like i would still become a vampire if i could become a vampire right now and just fucking if i could do it now i would do it now go wild on uh like all of ice and border patrol i would do it yeah yeah hands down i would be unstoppable no second reason no second thought yeah yeah i actually would be having a great time like Yeah. It was a good read. That sounds like a really fun book. Yeah. I added it to my TBR after you told me about it. And of course, there's like a lot of heavy topics in there and, you know, violence and abuse. Yeah. I think that's given with the time period that it's set in and what it's about. But yes, of course, warn everyone. Okay. Does this bring us to the end or did you have one more? No, we can end it. 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