Silver Nitrate Book Club Episode

Hi everyone. This is Christina, and this is MJ and Carmen, and this is a book Club episode. Finally. It took a year. Literally yeah, yeah, literally a year. It's our episode on silver nitrate. And Carmen, you wrote all the notes today, so I did, and I basically reread it for the notes, so it's fresh in my mind. Wow, it's fresh. Okay, I did not, so we'll see what happened. Yeah, any refresher at all? Nothing, nothing, It's okay, because I'm gonna tell you what happens. Yeah. No, no, I don't remember anything, so no, no, no, I remember, I remember somethings. Okay, I just didn't reread it. I reread it, but like a month ago. Oh oh well that's better than me. Still is that when you message and you were like, I have notes now on this, Like no, it was after actually oh oh okay, but I do have notes on the real life influences or lure that she used for the book that I did write down because she grabbed a lot of influences from like accurate historical shit, as she always Yes, yeah, I guess we could do that first and then we'll like kind of have more of an idea of what it intels. Okay, so was the first thing that I'm going to go over. It's I believe the gold Shirts they were called. I didn't write this down, but this was fresh in my memory, and they were a political group in Mexico and they were very like a pro Nazi. They were I can't remember that they were a right wing I believe, a political group at the time, and I didn't. I had no idea about this. Yeah, the gold Shirts a Mexican fascist, secular, anti Semitic, anti communist party, ultra nationalist, all the bad things. And they were from nineteen thirty three to nineteen thirty six, and she mentions them on page sixty. I believe. So I had no idea about this. I knew they were like pro Nazi or whatever because they were anti Semitic. Wow, I feel like we don't know a lot about like Nazi movements, pro Nazi movements outside of Germany because it's not taught to us. Because there's also a yeah, like did you see that thing with the pro Nazi movement here in the United States during the In the US there was a gathering of over twenty thousand Nazis during the war or yeah, I'm pretty sure it was during And it's like they don't tell you how many Nazis were here and how they of course not. I mean like there's always a thing about like, oh, well, all the Nazis went to like Argentina, and partially that's true, but a lot of them came here. Here's a project called Project paper Clip. Yeah, a lot of them were brought over here, and a lot of people gotcha like, Latin America, you guys took a Nazis. I'm like, so did the United States? How did you think I got rocket technology? Like are you so syvoists? Yeah? A lot of them fled secretly hiding their identities to Latin America, but a lot of them were invited over here. They were Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. They were invited here. Yeah, they were invited over here, and they forgave their atrocities to humanity because the government, the United States government was like, we'll forgive you if you have to give us the information and all your work and research, which is like, you know a lot of people use it as a katcha Latin America, you know, but I'm like, and it's really not it's not. Then it went on to commit some atrocities here. Mm hmmm, mm hmmm, because the Nazis that were brought over with Operation Paperclip were then hired to work on Project the MK Ultra. So yeah, that too. Yeah, and then there was I don't know if this has anything to do with it, which I do need to research, but or I'm pulling this out of my ass. But I don't know if you guys had ever heard of doctor I think Deliriate. What was his name when he used to be a scientist that worked with the United States. That sounds like a fake name. No, it's it's it's not a real name. It's a nickname that they gave this guy. And oh, okay, if I heard his real name, I might recognize him, But not through that name. I feel like it only sounds familiar because it sounds like like US comic book building, like. But it was a guy who used to test on uh, oh my god, he used to test on on military personnel. Well, this just sounds like any scientist that was brought over during Operation Oh yeah. But he was like he was like, oh my god, there's there's a documentary. I think his name was doctor delirium. Let me see. Oh, I just saw an article from The Guardian inside the world of shocking military drug experiments in the fifties to the seventies, and a lot of the subjects to this like uh uh drug experiments on the military person. No, they like, like, what is it called family annihilators and stuff? Yeah? Wait, what what is the connection? Oh that became they became family annihilators experimented on Yeah. Yeah, they killed they killed themselves and their whole family. That's the new Like I never heard of that, like family annihilators until like about a month ago, where they're talking about men who that kills his children and his well, his family that's everyone hence today and himself. Yeah, family and I But I never heard that term. I know, like everybody's like, are you serious? I thought you had. I feel like you guys talked about it in one of your episodes one. I'm surprised, no, because we've only talked about what's her name that killed her children. But I don't think we've talked about Oh but no, not a man. No, Okay, So I guess I'm going to the podcast. Yeah, you and I have had these conversations coming probably maybe I'm getting used with real life, but I think a lot of like the experiments that have at the time had to also do with like Nazi research, and because they did do like drug experiments on concentration camp victims and stuff. So I had no idea about that. Yeah, yeah, that's where they the gold shirts. Well, no, let's go on with your notes before we Okay, A few years ago I went down the Alistair Crowley Crowley My Bad Crowley rabbit hole, and it's a very extensive rabbit hole to me, Like the Alistair Crowley topic is a topic that almost seems never ending, not necessarily his story because his story is like pretty like Keen like beginning to end, but there's like the spiderweb with things and people he is connected to by like either his friends or something JPL. The jet propulsion laboratories involved Nazi religion, Nazi's religion. Ancient memoirs remind me Alistair Crowley, how is he related to silver nytrait? She mentions him in the book. I remember, and then a lot of the stuff that I want to say like happens in the book because to me, what is the guy's name? I forgot his name? Yours. Yours is an Alister Crowley esque you know what. I don't know how to pronounce his name, but yeah, you were you weres, you weres, you weres. I think his name is yours, but yours is to me and Alistair Crowley esque character, like I feel like kids based on Alistair Crowley. I keep saying his name is Crowley, and I keep on saying Crowley whatever. You know why I say Crowley because the character from Supernatural mm hmm yeah when I say it because of good omens. Oh yeah, but his name is Crowley because even like a lot of people call him Crowley. But his family used to have a brewing I know so much shit about this guy. Okay, I'm sorry. I went down the rad His family used to have a brewing company and the logo was a crow I thought they were crowds. Are they crowds? Guess it depends, like whatever. I'm just gonna call him Crowley because like the way I speak English wants to say Crowley. But yeah, I've heard I forgot that Crawley. Yeah yeah, yeah, I agree. Okay. So there's Egyptology, Christianity, angels, and bram Stoker, like the connections and the and the spider web is like crazy and a lot of it is in silver nitrate. A lot of it is not. So if you have gone down the occultism, especially of the late nineteenth century and the rest of the twentieth century and occultism now, Alistair Crowley was either involved or influenced things in one way or another. Even the Beatles are involved. It's like like it's crazy wow. And Jimmy Page too, the Beatles the guitarists. Oh okay. I was like, who's Jimmy Page? Like the name sounds okay. Yeah. So so before I give a background into occultism that inspired silver nitrate, I do not advise anyone to do the things Alistair Crowley did. He was very depraved. There's child to abuse, of illegal activity and perhaps even murder, which again it's very similar to the ship that he was accused of that's a silver nitrate. He was into some shit, nasty, disgusting shit no pun intended. Uh. It is said that at one point he consumed human excrements. He was not in the right head and reading up about like about his stuff like scratches an itch, like you know, but please don't do what he did. He's still he still has a huge following even today. But I feel like I have to address that because common sons say what he did. Yeah, because like like there's some people out there and like common sense is not that common. Like there's there's a reason why we have stupid as warnings on labels. Yeah, there's a reason. That's true. That's very true. The book mentions the Real Society and and now the Real Society was associated with the Fool Society, and the Soul Society was in a cult to society that was founded in Germany after World War One by Rudolph on I can't pronounce his name, but I'm going to try Subotandorf. And the Real Society is said to have been the inner circle of the Fool Society. So the School Society is already like a secret society, but then there was like a secret society within the secret society, a secret secret society on and now there is Yeah, there is no evidence of the Real Society ever existing. It was alleged by Jack Jacket, Jaquis Usi Rogier and Louis Powell's in nineteen sixty and the origins of the idea of the Real society. I think it is important. It comes from a book written in eighteen seventy one by Edward Bulwer Edward Brewer Lights entitled The Coming of Race. In this book, the main character encounters a subterranean master race. These beings called themselves the Rill. Yeah, and they have telepathic abilities. They're essentially superhuman. The Rialia were descendants of an anti Deluvian race called the Ana, and their energy and spirituality is connected with this thing called the Rill. It's like a fluid essence thing, and it's what makes them superhuman and empowers their tech and civilization as a whole. So we get a little bit of how you were used himself as belonging to this superior race from an antidiluvian society like Atlantis. And I mean this was legit, like people thought this. Yeah, the right hand man of not of Hitler, and he was in charge of the SS. He he had an insane amount of books on occultism, occultism. Well there were hella ocultests yeah yeah. And and like by the way, these books are from eighteen seventy one, so it stands this is a real the real it's a real book. Like by the way, like you can download it and read it today. But this is where the real society, like the inspiration comes from. And you could also see this inspiration then transfer over to Silver Night Trade. So again similar to the Atlantean thing you weres had going on. And then Jack Parsons, which is a real person and he was part of Salima. She mentions him. So it's on page sixty five and she mentions Jack Parson. He was a real person, like an occultist. He was part of Salima. I can't pronounce half of this shit. I'm guessing Salima and it's an occultis society started by Alistair Crowley. Parsons was one of the founding members of JPL. He was an occultist in practice and had communication with Crowley. Jack Parsons is the link between Alistair Crowley and the United States government, both with JPL and because Jack parsons occult practices were investigated by the government several times. Wow. He was in an open marriage with his wife because Alistair and the whole of Sillema society told him to. They had like this whole polyamory thing going on in that society. He then began sleeping with his wife's sister. This comes into play later because Jack Parson then becomes friends with el Ron Hubbard, that very same al Ron Horbard, father of scientology Alistair did not like Hobbard. I'm telling you, like Alister Crowley's in the middle of everything and this is all connected. I'm frightened and like it's like a spider w But I told you and Alicer did not like Hubbard and was concerned for Parsons. Sarah, his wife's sister, had a relationship with then fell for Hubbard. Sarah and Hubbard took all of parsons life savings spent it on a business venture that did not go anywhere. Hubbard had worked for the government and is believed that Hubbard was the reason for the downfall of Parsons and the Thelma Society branch he was head of, called Ordo Templey Orientis. Hubbard took his girl, his money and was his downfall. Damn. Parson was fully investigated on accounts of his recklessness at JPL. Everything was under a magnifying glass for the entire entire world to see. He was let go and was hit with a lot of bad luck. Again. The bad luck aspect of Aleister Crowley and the people that was involved with him. Oh my god. Like the book even yeah, even Parson's death has so much conspiracy behind it. Some people think it was a suicide, other things. It was, you know, it was a murder, bad luck. You know. Like in the book, I want to express how much of a spider web this is. And it's sounding like conspiracy theorists, but Alistair Crowley had connections that had connections. Also, it speculated that Hubbard got a lot of his ideas for scientology from the Thallima Society, though says that's not true. But and it is weird how they have a lot of similarities. And I'm like, the Thelma Society existed before scientology, So I'm just putting that out there now. Onto the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. And in the book they mentioned she mentions the Golden Don which is another sacred society occult de secret. I can remember them me neither. It's all ringing a bell. But like if someone's going to research in insane amount for a book, for a background of a book, it is oh yeah, no doubt. Yeah. And again like it's all these connections that are similar to what happens to everybody in the book, so she gets the inspiration from real life. Shit. Now onto the again to the as the name and titles. They practice hermeticism, which is philosophy and religion religious ideology attributed to Hermes tris Megistus. I can't pronounce that, and it's a figure that is a combination of the Greek god Hermes and then god Fuff. Alistair Crowley was part of the group between eighteen ninety eight through eighteen ninety nine. He wasn't like because he was bisexual and had a very moral free lifestyle. Bram Stoker and William Butler Yeats were part of the Golden Dawn. Alistair and Yeats had beef and Alistair was then kicked out of the Golden Dawn and that's when he formed the Lima. Wow, Wow, Wow. But bram Stoker that you know Dracula, bram Stoker was part of. Yeah. So now onto the occultism and practices in Silver Knights trade to me. The Yellow Door title of the movie in the is the homage to the Golden Dawn, like Golden Dawn, Yellow Door. Yeah, I see it, I see it. The Rights of Saturn, also known as the Rights of El Luisi's I can't pronounce that was a play or more like a series of seven plays Lisses and the Ohses. It's I don't know how to pronounce it and put it in and everybody hold on. I'm going to message to the group E l e usis. So the Rights of Saturn or the rights of Lewis's whatever was a play or like a series of seven plays on each Wednesday that started October nineteenth and through November thirtieth, nineteen ten. The plays were supposed to be It's supposed to induce an altered state of mind, a higher consciousness, which is similar to silver nitrate, like you know what they try to do with the movie Trying. They're trying to do the same thing. So that was an actual thing that Alistair Crowley did. He wrote this play and he was trying to do the same thing that you Weers did in the book. Wow No. So yeah, as you go on, I start to think that you Weres or Wilhem Youwers whatever is that's what he's based on. Yeah, and Alistair Crowley esque character but with Nazi background, which is you know, it's already like Nazis and Alister Crowley, it's all occultism. Another ritual that was inspired in the magic of silver nitrate was a ritual called the a Bremlin the Mage, a ritual by the by a Bremlin the Mage, my bad. This particular ritual is to summon your guardian Angel. And this ritual takes eighteen months of strict pious behavior. Yes, eighteen months. That means you have to behave like an ultimate saint. That means no spicy stuff, no spicy thoughts, you have to even eat super clean, no alcohol, like it's just super strict for eighteen months. And then you have to like isolate yourself for a certain amount of time. But it's a practitioner, even for a split second does something that that's not aligned with the ritual, you have to start it over. Even if you're like one second away from finishing the eighteen months, you got to start over. There are strict rules when it comes to his first a practitioner summons their guardian angel. The second half, the practitioner summons the twelve Dukes and Kings of health, and it's three days of summoning the twelve Dukes and Kings is the most crucial. One cannot mess up on this because if they do, they will they will be free and due to you as they see fit, causing supposedly bad luck. And it's all for magical powers, like you do this and you're supposed to like gain all these powers. Wow. So Crowley tried to do this at the house he bought on Locknest called Bolskin House. However, between Crowley being anything but pious and he I mean he gave himself the name the Best six sixty six, he tried to do the ritual in a short amount of time. He found a manuscript that said six months, and he tried to do it in three. So again, this ritel is about to say eighteen months Jesus, and it was already cut like more in happily. He was like, I'm gonna cut it more. Wow, I don't really expedite this. Yeah. And because he didn't complete said ritual or because he didn't do it right, it said that he opened a gate to hell. And also women are not allowed to do the a Brumlin ritual as periods are considered unclean. So maybe like if you get like no periods, you're golden, but if you have a period, you can't do it. So Bullskin House is supposed to be crazy haunted, like to the level of crazy. Is it it's on lockness? Is that in Scotland? Is it in Scotland? I was taking it while guess yeah, it's Scotland. Yeah, okay, okay, oh like the monster yes, yes, yeah, okay okay. So, so it's supposed to be like crazy haunted, like the you know, like the printing house and silver nitrate like that kind of haunted. Many people have gone there and have so many stories. Jimmy Page bought it in the seventies. Jimmy Page said he had a bad from the house. However, he let his friend Malcolm Dent live there up until the nineties and the Dent family just said where stuff used to happen, doors would slam all night and among other things. And then the house also caught on fire a couple of times, most recently in twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen. Wow. There's also supposed to be a whaling lady that appears on the property, and it is believed that the twelve Dukes and Kings got their revenge on Crowley as he died broke and alone and a drug addict. So again they he didn't do the ritual right and or he didn't finish it and he got a shit head of bablic And by the way, Alistair Crowley was rich. He was a rich dude. Emphasis on was was was well, and then he did this ritual and then like shit went downhill for him and for a lot of people in his circle. And then it is said also that this ritual is what created the Lochness Monster. Like again conspiracy theories, but it's very oh my gosh that the bad luck between these people. This is very emphasis in Silver Night Trait and a lot of the stuff that that she just drops hints too is in the book, and I thought that was interesting because she does she does an amazing job of getting real life, historical people or historical shit and just putting it into love books. Yeah, but those are my notes. Wow, I'm so glad you brought that because it really brings a whole different light, like so much more depth to Like that's when I was reading it, I was like, oh my god, I know this. I know this, I know from your previous Yeah, like I did this Rabbit hold back in twenty eighteen because he's like if you're like into any kind of occultism, especially modern day occultism, which I don't practice. I just it just scratches an itch in my brain to like hear the stories. He's in it. He's in everything from tarot cards, music albums. You see so many people wearing his face on shirts. A lot of musicians, the Beatles put him on it out in front of an album. I think I even see I want to see, Like there's a few rappers who wore his shirt, like not his shirt, but like a shirt with his face on it. And a lot of people don't actually know how much into pop culture. Alistair Crowley is put in pop culture on to a significant amount, like and even the most best selling tarot card deck. I believe he he was like a what is it called those people who designed it, He's like a code designer. Oh wow. And there's many people who still like follow his practices even today, so he never really went away. Yeah, the Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club, his face is right there. Wow, thing weird. Yeah, to meet you yours is an Alister Crowley esque person, and a lot of the bad luck and even the way like the way the publishing office and silver nitrate like it burnt down, similar to how all the burning downs of his house on Lockness. That could be reaching, but I thought it was like interesting. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's inspired from that. Yeah, yeah, I mean like if anyone is going to deep cut historic research, it is so so it could be it could be. Dang, that's wild. I'm amazed. I'm amazed. And there's more to it, guys, Like if you really deep dive, there's more to it. This is already wild. I can't imagine deep diving even more. I already I think my brain would not working. Yeah, it's like I told you, guys, it's like a spider web. Even the people he know, he knows, like like what's his name, Parsons, Even he has a crazy ass life. Wow, it's too much. I can't hand. I can only handle what you've shared today. Yeah yeah, same. All right, So first the spoiler free summary straight from the book, and if you haven't read it, then just I don't know, skip like an hour after this. I don't know how long it'll take me. Okay, So Monterrad has always been overlooked. She's a talented sound editor, but she's left out of the boys club running the film industry in nineties Mexico City, and she's all but invisible to her best friend Tistan, a charming, if faded soap opera star, so she's been in love with him since childhood. Then Tistan discovers his new neighbor is the cult horror director Abel Uroeta. He claims that he can change their lives, even if his tail of a Nazi occult tist imbuing magic into highly volatile silver nitrate stock sound like sheer fantasy. The magic film was never finished, which is why his career vanished overnight. He is cursed. Now, the director wants Monterral and Tristan to help him shoot the missing scene and lift the curse, but Monterrat soon notices a dark presence following her, and Taistan begins to see the ghost of his ex girlfriend. As they work together to unravel the mystery of the film and the obscure occultists who wants to roam their city, Montterral and Tristan may find that sorcerers and magic are not only the stuff of movies. Also, Alistair Crowley wants visited Mexico. Oh Wow, Mexico City or do you know, I don't remember? Probably, I mean we're else? Would he go, like, other than the Capitol ran Yeah, Mexico City. Oh okay, so like we all said, we were this month ago. So I did my best with this plotline summary. Just like the summary says, this book follows monterrat To, who I will refer to as Monzet from now on, a woman working in the man's world of sound editing, where she struggles because sexism. Not only that, but it's also a dying business. So this combination makes Monte hate her life and be miserable. She's like, really, uh, what do they call that? Kill joy? Little sour puss a little bit. She sometimes frustrated me. Yeah, same, And also her sister has cancer, so you know she has a lot of feelings. She's a lot going on. Yeah. Monte's best friend is Tristan, a washed up novella star with a bad reputation, but despite his geriatric age, he's still acutey. He's a hottie. Who did you picture him as? Honestly, I didn't picture anybody for ether for some reason. Why who did you picture? So we share that now or at the end? No? Now, okay, I pictured him as Fernando Colunga and then her as Show Rodriguez. That would have been a great way to picture her. I didn't picture them as anybody. Also, Gina Rodriguez, No, no, miss Schell Rodrigue strictly who I pictured her as, not Miss Gino. No, I could see her as Miss Gina also. Yeah, I'll definitely see that. The attitude wise, I could and I could see it attitude. Yeah, okay, you know what, I'm starting to see it a little bit. Yeah, okay, okay, Well, in that case, I pictured them as Justin Baldoni and Gina Rodriguez. Oh yes, I like that. Yeah, yeah, because he's cute and it's so emphasized how hot he is. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, let's go with that. Yeah, let's go with that. Yeah. Yeah. They're both like in their late thirties, like thirty eight, I want to say it was. Yeah. So they've been bff since they were kids, they grew up together, They've been through thick and thin, but like in a long term, like a lot of long term friendships, there's a lot of resentment between them, and they can both be selfish and toxic at times, especially because Monte has always a low key love Tristan and he knows he's a baddie and Loki takes advantage of her a lot. Yeah. Also, they're both broke and by so they're just a couple of broke, bisexual besties. Yeah they are. Tristan's bad reputation can be attributed to his younger days of partying, drinking too much, and most of all, getting into a car accident while drunk. In which is ex girlfriend Karina a famous novella Nepple Baby Dies. Did you picture her as anyone? Yeah? Aida from No. I picture someone cuter? Oh yeah, yeah, what about blonde Angel? Maybe? But you know, I pictured her as oh my god, I didn't want to, but you know the oh and is that her name? Oh yeah, yeah, the blonde one, Yeah, blonde one. Okay, I could see it. I could see it. I did not picture anybody with the characters. They were just headless. That's so strange. I started making a movie and because I was like, because I nitpick, like all the actors and like there's very few. Like I'm like, who would be a perfect role for this? And I'm like no, no, no, no, no, I need somebody unknown, somebody unknown apply for the role of these characters. Please, I can just imagin I read like a whole, like like a series of like do you want to be the character in my head? So Kadina's dad, who never liked three Stan, blamed three Stan for the accident, and he fueled a media campaign against him, which led to three Stand losing his novela Roles. And now he mostly makes his money but not enough doing voice over work. So one day gets the wrong of mail to his apartment and he learns that former Golden Age movie director Abel Urueta is his neighbor. Tristan and Monse used to watch his horror movies growing up, so this excites Tristan and he goes right away to deliver Abel his mal with the hopes of befriending Abel. And Tristan had just moved to that apartment complex after he broke up with his ex Yolanda, and that is another source of resembling between him and Monset that he only talks to Monse when he's single, otherwise he has no time for her. We all have no friends like that, right, yeah, yes, So Tristan and Abel start chatting, and Abel learns from Tristan that Monte is his BFF and she's a sound editor, and the sparks Abel's interest, and he invites Didstan to come over again with Monse, so then he ends up telling her and then they go over or he invites them. He tells Monse about Abel inviting them for dinner, and he has to convince her because she's so she doesn't never never wants to do anything other than work, and then she finally agrees. So then at dinner, Avestan and Monte they talk about her movies, their childhoods how Monte had to defend the stand even though she was smaller than him from Bulize, even from back of their childhood, she was he was taking advantage of their friendship, right Yeah, And they talked about she had to usa Kine, which was a child because she had some kind of leg issue. I forgot exactly what it was. Monte shares about her sound editing job and the company she works for, Aunt that is, and so this leads a Beil to ask if she can do audio editing for movies, and then they talk about cursed films and then finally Avil tells them about his film Beyond the Yellow Door being cursed and about one of the film's writers, Willhelm fried fried Rich, Friedrich, Frederick, Frederick Fredrick. Sorry, it can't be fried Rich, it has to be Frederick. So Willhelm you yours yours. I don't know, but I'm saying, Willhelm, I think it's pronounced you you weres. That makes more sense than yours yours about him being a German occultist, and then beyond that, Wilhelm had Nazi connections and secrets surrounding him, and Wilhelm told conflicting stories about himself and his origin, conflating the secrets and mystery even more. Abel mentioned that Wilhelm suddenly died after being mugged, and then the movie lost its funding, and then misfortune followed the crew everybody involved, so things like people getting into accidents, not getting new roles, a beil in his career ending. So after Monse and Tristan leave, Monsas starts thinking about pitching the Beyond the Yellow Door Curse and the story about Wilhelm being a Nazi occultist to a show that her friend Cornelia works on called Enigma, and it's like a show like about mids conspiracy, conspiracies, UFOs, aliens, and whatnot. I was trying to think of a similar show, but I couldn't think of like I know the shows, but I can't think of the names. Oh, Like for me, it was like Coast to Coast maybe, but it's a TV show. I would think like Extra Normal, yeah, or like what's my favorite that one show? I like Paranormal Caught on camera, But it's more like someone reporting a story, which I don't know if there's like an English equivalent. All I can think of is and then there has to be. But I think of like the shows like on the History Channel where they say, like the Aliens built the pyramid something like that. Yeah. So meanwhile, Tristan doesn't get an ad a gig that he auditioned for, and he gets tricked into an interview where the reporter initially says she wanted to talk to him about his voice over work, but then she started asking questions about his ex Garina and about his partying, his drug use, his sexuality, and he gets hala mad. So then he copes by getting shift faced and he goes to Montes apartment at one am. What kind of unguardly hour is that? What kind of shit is that it'd be mad, yeah, and then she gets through it off yeah, and she's she's pretty mean to him. She said, what the fuck are you doing here, dumb bitch? Basically yeah, very yeah, but then she calms down. What Dhistan mentioned that next week is a ten year anniversary of getting A's death, so then she feels bad. But it's like he's milking this too. It's like, come on, it's been ten years. Stop, but he's never worked on himself and worked through it. Mm hmm, you're right, yeah, does that monces fault? I don't think so, it's not once as fault. No. So they talked a little bit about the accident, getting us drug use and the drinking getting out of hand. Before the accident, Anthonistan not doing anything about it because he didn't want to, like not telling anyone about her problems, because he didn't want it to affect the upcoming project of theirs that they had together, like an upcome novela. So that's why he didn't say anything. So he feels selfish about the way he thinks about Karina's death because he's like, he makes it about himself no matter what, because he's pretty selfish. But that's you know's how people for you. He can't help it? Is he a Leo? Did they ever say? Probably? They don't say. I don't think, but I would not put it past him very leo coded Yeah yeah, and I do think wants to subscorpio. Yees. Yeah. So then the next morning before Monset drops him off, recent invites Wanta to join him and Abel for antique chopping. Cool, So Moncen meets with Cornelia to picture the idea about a ben An episode on an avin'z movie. But Cornelia's she's not interested and she's more interested like in horror stories about Likena and whatnot, which I get it fair, Yeah, I mean me too. Yeah, Cornelia is interesting sit in the German occultist angle, so she asked Montet to find out more information about Wilhelm and to film a pre interview with Abed and mind you, this is unpaid labor, but okay, yeah yeah. The weekend rolls around, so then they go antique shopping at the Lagunia market where they come across a Nazi memorabilia hard word, good job. They talk a little bit more about Wilhelm, Wilhelm probably being a Nazi after they see some Nazi shit at this uh antique place, and so then Avil tells them about the gold Shirts, which MJ informed us about. Yes, think you, MJ. And Abel says that Wilhelm is a lot more subtle with this was a lot more subtle with his racism, and he was more into Ruin's magic and film. But he admits that occultists believed racist theories about eugenics and Arian superiority, and Wilhelm was the not any different, and that he meddled in eugenic groups, but that more than a racist, he was like an opportunistic kind of person. Yeah. I also like how Sylvia always really puts emphasis on eugenics in a lot of her books. She really does, because it's there. It's there, it's not, I don't know, it talked about enough, and she just weased it into this fantastic story with history and horror and amazing m So, when they get back to it, but it's an apartment, he tells the Montsanti stand more about Wilhelm and how Wilhelm thought Arians were a superior race they had magical abilities, but also that the Aztec and Inca had magical ability, so he thought Mexicans descending from the Aztec and Inca were also capable of magical abilities, and he tells them that Wilhelm thought films were magical, a belief he learned from famous occultist Alistair Crowley. Again, thank you, m Jennie, and that Wilhelm believed that magic rights needed to be performed in front of a large audience, and the energy from the large audience would power the spells being cast in the film, and that a film a shot with silver nitrate specifically, would be like a powerful conduit because silver is a powerful conduit for spells. So hopefully I explained that good because it was a lot like on ways it made sense. It made sense. So Abel tells them that shooting the film Beyond the Yellow Door was hella expensive despite having a wealthy patron, and one of those reasons was because Wilhelm wanted the film dubbed because of his magic systems ideas and whatever. He talks more about that, He talks more about who the patren was, and they found out it was silent film star Alma Montero, and then I won't say it wants to interview Abel for Enigma, but he's not really into it, and then they leave. He's like closed off. When she starts like asking him, he immediately stops talking. Yeah, and she's very direct, Yeah yeah, in a way is there upfront brute? Yeah yeah. There's no charismatic approach to her line of questioning. Unlike Tristan, she has no risk. Yeah yeah, so I but it's not into it. And so next Mona tries to research more about Wilhelm, but she barely finds any information on him, and then she also can't find a copy of Beyond the Yellow Door. She considers visiting a horn dot creep that she knows Fernando to help her with the research, but she doesn't want to deal with him, so she decides against it at this point, and then she ends up finding a picture of Abel Alma Montero and some pretty lady named Clarimont Bauer and Wilhelm yours, yours, yours, and they sorry. They hang out with a bell again, and he ends up telling Monsen Tristan a little bit more about Wilhelm, including a time when it Wilhelm surrounded a ghost at a seance. So even also tells them about Wilhelm's belief that if sound and visuals emerged, it would have produce powerful magic. So the dialogue of the film being the Spell, the three actors on the screen, the magicians and the Runes, would be projected during the credits and then all shot as a movie for cohesion and for the magic to build up over time, like as the movie's plane something like that. Also, this before you go on This reminds me of the movie Incantation on Netflix. I haven't seen it, and remember how everybody's like, oh my god, if you watch it, it's like you're actively participating in like witchcraft or something, and you'd have nightmares. I remember when it came out, everybody was streaking out, which it reminded me of that, like the Yellow Door. Yes, this is also what people said about American horror story Thede with the oh aha yeah, where they say the guy's name and they're like, oh, if you see it, you're like participator in and letting them into your house. It's just similar to what like yours is trying to scare creep not watching those that movie or that episode. So i Bil tells them that the goal of the Spell was for Alma to have a comeback and get some of her youthful beauty back and that he Wilhelm and Alma were going to be the magicians, but then Alma was recast and the role was given to Claremont because of Wilhelm in Agingavahito kind of way led to Alma and he actually wanted to use a spell to save his life because he was sick, and at least that's what he told them at that point. So the spell required three spell casters, the father in all powerful male force, the son the innocent, and the mother the feminine principle of magic, the Holy Trinity. Yeah, exactly. So Avel has a full blown cheese my session with them and he tells them like, you know, the whole thing that went down or that whole thing went to shit when Alma found out, and that they also found out that Claremont and Wilhelm were hooking up. And I don't think I mentioned it, but Clairemont was Avel's fiance, which is why it was a big deal. Yes, yeah, yeah, And so Wilhelm and Claremont were cheating on their spouses Alma and Avin and hooking up and Alma only found out because another friend and part of their little culture's group, Jose so Alma cut the whole thing off. She confiscated the film, and then Wilhelm died not of an illness but being mugged, and battleck followed everybody after that. So then Abel agrees to help Monsee with the Enigma Show if she helps him finish the movie, thus finishing the spell to hopefully break the curse. A Ben tells them he has the scene still and he was able to hide it before Alma confiscated the film, and Monte is shocked, shocked that he has a can, a silver nitrate can, which because it's dangerous, it's a fire waiting to happen. And so they Tristan and go back on and forth on whether to help Abel or not, but they ultimately decide to help him, and so they record the audio for the scene, like to double it over whatever they have to do. So Tristan ends up getting an offer for a lead role for novella after they filmed this, and then something good happens to have been too, but I forgot about it was. I don't remember what happens to a Bel either, but I do know that once his sister doesn't have can she yeah, she's cured over cancer after this, Tristan got the novella, the novella what happened to a Ben? I don't remember. I guess I didn't write it down. Doesn't he get like money from something? He gets like No, he gets like a I want to say, it's like a film that's going to be made about him, like a honoring him, or like a little something like that. I want to say, yeah, yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. So then they go back to Avel's apartment to hang out with him and to give him a copy of the film the scene that they filmed, and there Abel gives Monse a book that belonged to Wilhelm, called the House of Infinite Wisdom. So then they get drunk and they get back to Montes and Tristan tries to hook up with mont because he's drunk and horny, but she turns him down. And then the spookiness it starts right away right after this. So Tristan sees a figure in the hallway and at first he thinks it's Monse, but then he realizes that Oncet left and also it's not a person at all. It's Garina's ghost. It was blood coming at her mouth that scared me. Yeah, I read it. It's like the same or when I listened to it, Yeah, yeah, and it's like things. They thought the spell was working because things were going good until he starts seeing and I think it starts going bad for him first because he starts seeing Karina's ghosts. Yeah, but then slowly as you'll you'll go into it, everything goes to shad for them. Yeah, bad luck. So Montas starts reading it Wilhelm's book, and she becomes obsessed, but she learns basically how to do magic and ruins from becoming obsessed. So she's having fun celebrating with her sister Adiselli, you know, about her being cancer free. And then when she comes back home, she comes back to hella messages from Tristan and so finally she goes over there. Anthonysaan tells her that he saw Karina and she doesn't really believe. She thinks that he's on drugs because he's you know, been issues in the past. Yeah. Yeah. So then also shows monset envelope he received address to Abel, and it contains feathers, seven rusty nails, and a long piece of thread nodded seven times and they're like what the fuck? And they're like, Abel has explaining to do. So they go to Aven and he's like, this is just a protection spell from my friend Jose, and they're like why do we, like, why should we need a protection like you said this was just to lift the curse, Like what the fuck? He's like, oh, I kind of left some stuff out. So then they tell avel that Ristan saw Karina's ghost and they're like, well, maybe this Jose guy can help us, but Avent shows Sasha down and he's like, no, Jose doesn't want to revisit his past about Wilhelm and whatever, and so then he just advises Tristan to light white candles and get flowers or incense to appease Garina's ghost. Eventually, Montet finds a secret message Wilhelm wrote in the book and it's basically his life story. So to summarize, he's a shitty, racist murderer. That is the yeah, yeah, perfect summary. So after she finishes reading Wilhelm's life story, she gets a call from Abel and he tells her he's going to die at two twenty nine pm. So then she races to meet him at the shopping center he's at Abel that tells Monte that she had a vision that his throat was slashed and when he was into you know, the cult and learning magic whatever his skill set was, Claire, I can never say this word, Claire, clairvoyance. Yeah, and one of the two. I said, one of the two, I said, Clari, because you both said clairvoyance and I said clairvoyance. See, oh, it's like the same thing basically. So he also tells Moncet that he got a call from Alma Montero threatening him that for him to give her the film and anything he owns of Wilhelms or he'd be sorry, and that she knew he was dabbling with Wilhelm's spell. So then he survived past two twenty nine pm emphasis on pm PM and Monce gives him a ride to his apartment. But first I better throw some nils behind his back as they walk away, like as a counter spell. So then Mons agrees to get the film from Montha. It's on Monday. She can't go until then because they're clothes or something. But I bet it does not make it to Monday, just like his vision, his throat was slashed at two twenty nine am, And how did he not think of am being a possibility. I know he really thought he was good. Yeah. So, when Mons discovers AB's body she experiences in his apartment, she experiences a deafening silence like no other lack of presence. She feels a presence there, and when she tries to leave the apartment, the doorknob burned her, So she's like, what the fuck is going on? And Monce later learns that Tristan was unavailable. She tries calling him when this is going on. He's unavailable during all of this because he's hooking up with his ex, so she's still getting surpressed. Surprise, surprise, he's been a hoe. Oh and Monte gets arrested as a person of interest for Aven's murder, and he does end up bailing her out, so at least he showed up at some point right at the point some point eventually he does save her from JOm So Monte and Tristan decide to spend their Christmas figuring out who killed Abel, and they figure either Jose Claremont or Alma will have answers, so Tristan agrees to use his connections in the entertainment network or business to get Alma's contact info, but in the meantime, they break into Avant's apartment, which is now a crime scene, to retrieve the footage they filmed, but it's gone, it's not there. Don't don't dun. Monte suspects that Willhelm didn't die from being mugged and that maybe Alma had a role in his death. Tristan ends up getting Alma's number and he talks who to who he thinks is her niece, and then yeah, he and Monset meet with said niece. They mentioned they want to niece quote. I called it, Yeah, I called it immediately. I was like, I don't know about that. So they mentioned that they want to talk to Alma, but her niece informs them that Alma no longer does interviews after suffering from a stroke. So they talk about Wilhelm for a bit, and then they learn about his cult from Almasnie and that Claremont and Jose remain loyal followers of Wilhelm's cult and that the cult remains active. Monte mentioned to Tristan that she felt bad vibes, the vibes were off from Almasnie. She was right, yeah, she was. Then Monte ends up meeting with that creep Fernando to get Jose's contact info, but before she does that, she practices wilhelms runs. I don't remember how she doesn't, but anyway, she sees them and then she like it's like just writing on a piece of paper or something. I didn't remember the occasion that leads her to part Like is she like, is she just at home practicing? Like that's what I remember, Like, yeah, I thought she was. Okay, she might be, yeah, okay, that's the only place she goes. She's out on the street doing research now. So Fermeno doesn't have hosts in number, but he tells Montet that she can find Josset at this one coffee shop where he frequents. Montt goes there, but she doesn't find hosts, so instead she heads to the building of Claremont's publishing company. She heads there after she leaves the restanding message letting him know where she's going to be. So while she is at the b building, she gets the same creepy feeling she had at Aveda's apartment and something was for her name that was scary. Also, oh Anne touches her hand and then she runs out a building naturally, Yes, naturally. So she runs outside and she runs into Tristan, who is his shirt collar is covering a blood for some reason. So then it turns out that Tristan was bleeding because he saw Karina's ghost again at a photo shoot he was doing, and he tries to run away when he saw her, and then he hit his face and this is not a good look at the photoshooters that's supposed to relaunched his career. And the agent I forgot her name already whatever, she thinks he's on drugs again, So then it's the bad look. Yeah, you know what happens to Monsett, Like all her hours get cut at her job. I think that's right. That happens too. Yeah, So Tristan wants him to get Olympia and burn all of Wilhelm's things, but Monse does not want to burn his things. Wilhelm things, She's obsessed. Yeah, So then they argue about that and Monce gets Hella mat at Triestan because he insinuates that Mose has a crush on Wilhelm and that she tends to get crushes. The way he says it, he's like, that's almosted up. He couldn't, like, like it's a low blow, and of course he would think that because he's a conceited leo, like there's no yeah, yeah, but he's right. She does. She has had a crush on him since they were kids. No, but she for sure doesn't have a crush on Wilhelm. She's upset, no magic, yeah, and like enveloped by it. But she Yeah, I didn't get crush vibes. No, no, yeah, he just assumes because it's a man, I guess. Yeah. He also comes off a little like jealous. Yeah, no he is, and he talks about feeling jealous. Yeah. They get over their little fight and they decide to look for Claramont and he'll set for help before Tristan. And once I go to Claremont, Tristan meets up again with Alma's niece, Medisa. I did write her name. I guess she asked to me with him, because she expresses like some concern about Alma or something. So Ustan and Medissa are hella flirty, but she gets straight to the point and she's like, if you and Monce have any of Wilhelm's belongings, I'll buy them off of you. My aunt wants them whatever. So then Marissa also tells them that the colt has been more active than ever and that she's seen Wilhelm's ruins near her home and that Wilhelm is was and may still be a dangerous man. So is like, weird out and he's like, well, we don't even have anything of Wilhelms. I don't know why you think that, and then he leaves whatever, But she must she knows about the book, right, yeah, she does. Yeah. Later once Tristan show up unannounced to Claremont's house and they learned that Claremont is the one who stole the film from Abel not what's her name, Alma, and she lies and says that ivn't sold it to her for protection and they're like, well that was some good protection. He fucking died, bitch. So also tells Sadistan and Mons that in casting the spell with Aven they said things meaning Wilhelm's magic and emotion again and to end the curse they need to finish the spell and bringing Wilhelm back to life. So she tells him that the actual goal of the spell was to bring Wilhelm back like not only to cure his illness, but like I mean later they put the pieces together from reading. Yeah, that he was gonna like end his own life and then he was gonna be brought back to life or whatever. That was a whole to be all powerful like Jesus. Yeah, just like Easter and or as they are rebranding. No, they're not rebranding. But did you see everyone calling it Resurrection Sunday instead of Easter and they're like making a whole big deal about it. Oh, because like Easter is the thing for Esther. Yeah, Istar, Istar is it? I don't know how to pronounce it, Ishtar. That sounds familiar. Whatever is the goddess of fertility. Yeah, Easter is based off of mm hmmmm, so that's why it sounds familiar. Yeah, it's a pagan holiday, guys. And also I started writing Claire instead the Claremont because my hands got real tired. So Claire Claria gets Claire gets mad when Monsa tells her they need to think about it before handing the film over, and Claire attempts to cast a spell on them, but once it's in her witchy era, so she casts the counterspell and they leave. It works because she's learned the magic, so it sounds scary. He's so scared. Yeah, I feel him because I would be the stunned in this situation, me too, and MJ would be mone she would company. Yeah, I mean you can stop. Are you scaring me? Okay? So back at Months's apartment after waking up at almost god forsaken time at three a m. Yeah, see, that's why you should be scared up. So she hears she hears someone saying follow me into the night, and first she thinks it's Three Stand But why the hell would he say that? And also she realizes it's not his voice because they were laying in bed together. Yeah, oh yeah yeah, and then she's like, oh, why so like spooning me? Why am I little spoon? But it was interesting, Yeah, it was not him. It was so creepy. I feel like yours has like so like it's becoming as obsessed with once as she is with him. Yeah, because that's his ticket to becoming again. Yeah again. Yeah. The next day, the Stand tells Monce they're gonna have to pick a side Claire or give one of them the film, and I was like, no, we're keeping the film. So they go back to Three Stands apartment only to find that it's been ramsacked, probably by Claire or Alma looking for the film. And a and I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right, A vegue veg viser vig visir, vig visir. Okay, that sounds more. Yeah, sounds better than how I said it. So yeah, a veg visir symbol was painted above his bed. And this is one of the symbols or runs that Will Holme uses and wrote about in his book. So then they get a buzz from the intercom and a man Jose turns out to be Josse, tells them that they're being followed and they need to get the fuck out. So they're fleeing and they they're fleeing with Josse. They follow Josse and they're fleeing and they almost get attacked by like these evil magical dogs, but with the help of Hossa's magic, they get away. Hossys I covered also in tattoos of like his own style of rune, so that's pretty cool. Joset tells them that cleares people the cult were behind the attack, but they're not the ones that broke into three Stands apartment that was Alma. There's just been an attack left and right, both sides. Yeah, So Joset tells them that Wilhelms spell needs to be undone because when monse the spell, it led to a sort of a nuclear explosion but for magic, and now all of the magic partictioners are hell strong. Josset also tells them that Alma has an aged a day since Wilhelm's death, and they're like, oh, Marisa is Alma. But also, hadn't Monts has seen a picture of her? Wouldn't you have recognized her? Yeah, but she looks slightly different. I think I came up with the theory for this, and that's like she was a movie star, so she either wore prosthetics or she got cosmetic surgery. That was my theory that I felt the same about surgery. But there's something like they like, look for mill it's her. It looks like her, but it doesn't look like her and like not identical, just resemblance, a strong resemblance. That's why I thought she either got cosmetic surgery or the wearing prosthetics. This makes sense now, So then Jose admits that Alma stabbed Wilhelm after Jose told her the truth about Wilhelm's lies and cheating, and Jose tells him a little bit more about Wilhelms could and how he organized it, like on a racial hierarchy, giving power and preferential treatment to Whitexicans, to the white Tinos. Yes, the white Tinos. With the song, I was like, pause, did you guys hear that song? Yeah, he sent it to me something everyone else very Latino vibes. I threw up a little bit when I saw it. Yeah, she get trolled so hard deserved, so she would be a part of this called I'm just kidding one hundred percent, she would be preferred in this hierarchy. So then here Jose talks about elite Mexicans loving their European roots and the ideology of bettering the race or mejor la rasa as it's known in Spanish. So Josed tells him that he was down to kill Wilhelm because Willielm had no chill, no limits to what he would do for power, and that Wilhelm was planning on killing an unhoused person for the final ruin of his spell. So he was like, fuck this man. So Tistana is over it. He's like, just cut us loose, from this, like I want nothing to do with this, please, and he's like oh yeahweh yahway and who says like, I'm sorry, baby boy, but you're in it now. And that's what they get for being a part of the me teachers and for helping him Ben. You know, they didn't know and neither did I bet he didn't know the full truth. No, but they should have been like it sounds too good to be true. And well they talk about it, and they did, but they're like, it's just a harmless man with fantasies. They convinced themselves, because in the end, what's the harmon? Yeah, he's gonna get his wish, we might get good luck or nothing happening. Yeah, And then like the entire time I thought Uta was going to sacrifice them, I was like, oh no, you thought I thought he was bad. He was just he's just a naive as it's a promise. Yeah. Yeah. So Jose tells them that they can end a spell by replicating it as much as possible by using the six runs and their own blood and drawing the runs on the silver nitrate can of film, saying the spell and then destroying the film. But Jose doesn't exactly know what runs Wilhelm intended to use at the end of the film, but Avent does. So Jay's like, hey, Ristan, you know how to summon ghosts? Like that's kind of your thing, right, Like it sounds like please wait yeah wait, yeah, they came in, they come in bus, but they cannot so yeah, he doesn't want to offirst, but finally he agrees. So then the hold the seance a good old seance, and Throughstan's hands, Avan writes the ruins for the film air, Earth, water, life, fire, and then the fire nation that's what I thought of what I was reading it, and then the opener, and then finally the vagas run. But then Wilhelm he's not invited, but he crashes the sands that bitch will him? Yeah, and Jose gets hurt during you know, this attack from Wilhelm. So now they had to proceed without Jose with the rest of the plan. So Steven's scarier for recent yeahcent, So go to Antarts to retrieve the film, but while they're there, Ama attacks them and they managed to get away with Montes and magic that she learned from the book, but the danger isn't over yet, so then they get chased and caught and taken by the cold. Claire has a room set up with two projectors, and just they get taken to her building. The edition is building, so Claire, Yeah, publishing building. Yeah, the building, yes. So Claire has a room set up with two projectors and a portable screen, and then two bowls next to each projector, and one is filled with water and one is empty. So then Claire's delicis some dudes throw and his blood fills the empty bowl. And Claire tells Sadistan and Monte that Wilhelm told her the remaining ruins and about her plan to finish the spell and bring Wilhelm back to life. So as part of her plan, she has events corps there. How does she get it, I don't know, but very disturbing, and she wants the stand to conjure Abel so that they can recite the spell. And while this is happening, Bonce gets I don't know what the word is, like transported or something to another realm astro. I think it was astro projecting. I don't know, maybe, yeah, I think that that would I feel like that same thing like that. That's the closest I got to it because I was like, I think so. So she meets Wilhelm wherever he can be fully in the farm or whatever, yeah, but in this other realm or something something, and he tries to convince her to join him first by appealing to her financial need. He's like, I can give you whatever you want, and then she doesn't really care. So then he's like, oh, I can get Thesetan to love you, and then he promises power. Moncee feigns interest, and so she says the magic words, I'll follow you into the night, and Moncet comes back to reality or whatever. She asked these dand to summon Avil and ask for his help to stop Wilhelm. Wilhelm Distan summons Avil, Claire starts playing the old film and then the cult members recite the words from the film. So then Mons starts drawing the runes, but then she draws a different room as a destruction and a fire breaks out. Claire is pissed. She sets her evil magic dogs on Monte, and Monte she's finding back with magic. Yeah, isn't this word, Claire? It's like, oh, you think your little new learned magic is gonna get me. I'm better, blah blah blah you thought, bitch, you thought. Yeah. While Monte is fighting, she feels a hand choke her, like closing around her neck, and this is will Home, of course. So Tristan tries to finish the runs with Avan's help, but he's confused when he draws all the runs and the film ends, but Wilhelm's still there, so he's like, what the fuck. Avel tells Tristan that he needs to draw his rune and Tristan's like, what the fuck do you mean? And Monan draw there ruins like their runs, so this means the made up written language they had when they were kids. So he needs to like personalize the ritual, you know, make it him his own, but he's so soupid he doesn't get it. Yeah, yeah, Son is confused, He's like, what the fuck do I do? Meanwhile, Monta is being choked out by Wilhelm until he finally lets her go, and then he tries to convince Monte to will him to live, but instead she wills him to cease to exist, and then the whole place is set a blaze once they get separated while they're escaping and he has to fight the urg to leave without once and once she thinks Tristan has already left her behind, but then he finds her. She knows him. He's rise to see him. He came back from me, really, and they both escape. So then the film the book Wilhelm's Belongings. They're all burned in the fire. Tristan and Monte go check on Jose, and back at home, Monse burned everything, all the picture she had of Wilhelm, and Jose tells them that it's the even though you know everything's over, this is the longest night of the year, so they better get to bed early because it's a dangerous night. And like, what the fuck I thought we were done? Yeah, way, yeah, And then Jose explains that magic attracts the attention of monsters, ghosts, and the Evil Eye, so they don't want to be out at night. Yeah, which they find out that other shit is out there besides just other magicians. Yeah, that's a great way. It was just not having a good time, oh man. Monce Anistan settle back into Monster's apartment. The days pass and Todistan keeps making excuses as to why he needs to keep staying that monsters, so monce sarcastically invites him. She's like, not serious, she's been sarcastic. And she's like, why don't you just stay here forever? And he's like yeah, and she's like, no, man, I was staying around. Wait wait wait wait no, but yeah no. So Monster is like, we're too old to be playing house. But he keeps pushing, and then he confesses his love to her in the most way. And I wrote that, but I remember what he said, so, and I don't have my kiddles actually die. I forgot too. Yeah, he confesses his love to her and wants it. She's receptive. So they go on to live happy, calm and magic ruin free lives with monsters now haunting them. True. Should we get into thoughts? Well, I do have the questions. Oh, I forgot about the questions. I pewed them up just I don't even have the questions neither. Well I have them, Okay, Okay, I do have a few notes, so to go over. Okay, what if your notes are part of the question. Okay, let's read the question and then if they're not, then we'll go on with your notes. Yeah, okay, So the first question, what did you enjoy most about silver nitrate. What did you struggle with? Uh? I liked the what what we went over in the beginning that uh, Sylvia always gets inspiration from real shit that happened and real people and makes this like complex world. What I struggled with was in the beginning it was a little bit slow for me, and then Monset at first was like obsessed with yours and then she comes a point in time where she then gets all the information and she's mad. I was like, girl, this is what you wanted. Why are you kissed? Yeah? Why are you mad? But that was it. That was like the only the only, the only thing that irritated me. I was like, you just you were asking for all this information two pages ago. Isn't this what you wanted? Yeah? I felt the same. I always like how she weaves in history into the books and like, you know, themes of like eugenics and things like that. But yeah, I did feel a little slow, like to for things to start happening. And Monte was hell annoying honestly, but I feel look too sexist because I thought she was more annoying than Restan, So then I felt bad. Yeah, I thought again, I love the world building, the story behind everything, the history. I did think it took a little long to get to all the things that happened, but then when it got there, it got there, it was like damn, like I couldn't stop reading it afterwards. Same same, So it took a little bit to get there. I did find Monte she is not a likable character, but I think she's supposed to be not that. Like, yeah, because but I also found Ristan like the worst. They're both insufferable, right like kind of like they're made for each just like you got, Yeah, they really are made for there's a reason why. Yeah, yeah, accurate, accurate? Okay. Was there a character that you wish had a bigger role or when you wish you could know more about? Said? Maybe that's what I was gonna say. It was really interesting because I was like, how'd you find out that there's other ship out there? How come nobody else is talking about this ship? What is this? I need like a second book? I know she rarely like I don't think she actually does sequels, but she needs to for this one. I would like who said I would like to know how he found out how horrible Wilhelm is, how he why he has all those wounds all over him. Yeah, how do you get this story? Yeah? Yeah, Like does he hunt like the ghosts and the you know, like vampires. Yeah, like is he about that life? The hunter life like the Winchessers. Actually that brings that brings a question that she does have a vampire book. I wonder if it's kind of like related. You haven't read, Like maybe it's like I don't know if it takes in the future or in a different world. But I'm like, what if it's a different world. I think, what if it's like connected, like one of them is in the past and one of them's not. I don't know. Okay, Yeah, it's like a completely different setting. It was good. I liked it. Okay. So, despite or perhaps because of their longtime friendship, mon Antissan remain very close, although they can be very different from each other. Do you think this can be a good thing? Are they Are they good friends to each other? Explain? I think Tristan's a shitty friend. Yeah, and I think once that I is enabling his behavior a little too much and forgives him too much. And yes, yes, she's an enabler. Yes, yeah, yeah, they're not good friends to each other, they're yeah, but at the same time, they deserve each other. But like that friend, you can't give up, you know, like after you've been friends with someone so long sometimes you know, even if it's not the healthiest, you just stick it out. Man. So it's very real in that sense. Yeah. Yeah, So I wouldn't say it's good, but I wouldn't say they deserve each other. Yes, I would say being different from your friend or your partner can be a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's true, as long as you respect each other. But Tristan did not respect her very much. Yeah. No, and then she thought he was like I don't know, I don't know she was enabling him, but I also felt like she was frustrated and thought like he was making stupid decisions. So maybe she like was condescending. Yeah yeah, now you're right. Yeah, Okay, let's see. The magic systems in this book are invented by the mysterious Wilhelm You Worse Yours, You Worse Yours, while his version is based on pseudoscience and mix of cultural practices. How do you feel about Mosdat's approach to magic? Do you think magic can be practiced by anyone? I thought it was cool that you can like make it your own and it's very personal and that's usually how it is in my knowledge of people who practice it, And yeah, I think it could be practiced by anybody. Yeah, I think that you have to have some sort of like willingness, openness, and ability, because I don't think I could pick up No, yeah, not I think anyone but me and then Christina also can do it. But yeah, I just like Jistan, like he just can't really be open about it. He's very close off to it, and he does want he doesn't want anything to do with his gift, although if I was him, yeah, I wouldn't want that gift either. No, he has the worst gift, yeah, of all of them. Yeah, I thought it was cool how Monce it makes it her own and so it does hold sense. Yeah, yes, yes, yeah, but you know what I wish the magic would have been because I to me, if you're fighting with magic, like I guess I'm thinking of it because you know, I like to picture it as I'm reading, and it just doesn't come off as cool to be writing shit down and fighting like that. I didn't like that. I wish that. Yeah, it kind of just a little bit use their hands or you know, but the fact that they have to write things down yeah, like a wand like your finger, Like I don't know anything but that. So I didn't really like that, like how the magic was done, Like I wish it would have been cooler, like maybe that's why like Kose has it on his skin so he's like a yeah ahead like that I could get made down with that, Like I like that. I feel like that made it more real to me that it was this inconvenient thing you had to like suddenly stop and like have a notepad, old, let me write this down. Yeah, have a little notepad on you the entire time. Yeah, And then I was like, okay, but symbolic, why can't you just write air write it? True? Though, but then that would feel like all of it was silly to me, Like take this bitch, like I'm gonna writing emotion. Yeah, yeah, you're fake writing. Yeah you know you do it like oh now you're on fire. So but you know what, when I have dreams like about stuff, sometimes it's like that it's so silly, like it's a very snisient face. So it was like being a bystay or just watching this ship happen and you're like, the fuck is going on? Yeah? No, Like, okay, one time I had dreamed that. I think it's me and Christina. We were like superheroes or something when we were actually we didn't have any powers. I was just saying like, okay, now I'm gonna fly. And that's how this magic felt to me. Oh my god. Sorry, Yeah, someone should shut me up. Party, you know, I have Mike stop. Okay, So how do you feel about the ending? What do you think happens next with Monterra and Tristan? Oh? So did you like them ending up together? I feel like they're together just to be together because they like, yeah, they're settling for each other. No one else wants us. Yeah, I mean, and they just deserve each other. So like, I guess good for them, but like they're gonna define in together. It's like they were together this whole time anyway. So yeah, I think they're gonna have a happy life together with a petty argument with here and there. Yeah, they are very codependent, but you know, I love I love when people end up together in books. So I was here for it, and sometimes she doesn't do it in her books, like like all of them, oh man, Yeah, wait, have we talked about Mexican Gothic? No? No, no, okay, no, no we haven't. I don't like who she ends up with. Actually didn't like that either. I'm like, this peal boy, he should die because I pictured that he was ugly and I pictured that she was beautiful, and I was like, I don't like it. I'm sorry, I can't remember I pictured somebody for that and I can't remember. You picture somebody? Yeah, and I can't remember. Oh, I pictured what's his name? Like? What is it the guy who plays Loki? Oh, he has to be younger, like a younger version of him. Then yeah, okay, yeah that's why I picture because they is like, yeah, that's why I pictured. So I was like, I was fine, his hands look up, it's I don't even know. Okay, if you're a picture in that, then that's Tom I think, yeah, yeah, are you looking someone else up, Carmen. I'm never gonna find it. Yeah, I'm trying to find who I pictured. What is he from? Okay? So In and Freddy versus Jason, there's a there's a one of the guys. Okay, where is this guy who is like a nerd? And that's why I pictured as that the guy she ends up with. Wait, okay, who from Freddy versus Jason. I don't know. I don't know his name. I had to see a picture, but I don't know his name, so I can't find a picture and never remember the name of the character. He's just like an annoying guy Linderman, but he's not the stoner. I was gonna say it was Charlie Linderman in Chris Mark. No, I don't think so. Really, I don't think he's the only annoying. He was like the annoying nerd. I thought he had glasses. Maybe it was the bike. I don't know, he thought like a bike helmet or more cycle helmet. I'm not gonna find it. Maybe it is that guy, but I pictures him more pale and like, oh he's already pretty pale, I like uglier. Oh wait it is him. I mean I thought he wore glasses. No, yeah, it's him, but with glasses. It's how I pictured. But here the glasses in the book. So yeah, that's why I pictured Okay, just like a plain white guy. Yeah, but like a nerdy, plain white guy. Yes, well you added the glasses so yeah, right, I made that up. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah anyway, sorry, and then okay, last question, how did we get here? I don't remember. What medium do you think would be the easiest to curse today? A movie, TV show, podcast, social media, something else? What would your motives be? A TikTok? I think so. I think every one's like, you know, into TikTok, and those videos make their way to Instagram, so it would still be through and then later on into Facebook. It's like the modern day ring Never I know the pages. I was gonna say, yeah, no, I agree, that's what I was gonna say too. I was like a podcast would be hard because like some people, some people don't listen to podcast I guess like twenty percent of people don't even know what podcasts are. Really, Wow, you're missing out a survey that I listened to, Yeah, they are missing out. So yeah, I would say TikTok because then it would make itself into or it would make its way into other platforms, like all the vertical platforms. So yeah, that's what I would curse if I had to, though I don't have a motive. Yeah, I don't have a motivator. Oh a motive. I was gonna say that right now, so then then I wouldn't have to work. Mm hmmm, yeah, that would be it. Yeah, is that all the questions? Yes, Okay, So I just want to talk a little bit because I I saw I looked at the ratings on good Reads, so it had three point sixty four out of five stars, and some people, the ones that had bad reviews, most of them said that there wasn't enough horror, that the romance sucked, and that Monsign Tristan were overdeveloped characters, and that they had like negative chemistry, treated each other terribly and had no development. So it's like, what do you think about that? But I think it's stupid to want everything peachy and sunflowers and roses. If you didn't get it, just say that. I can't stand when people are like, I have to have everything so happy ending I'm like, no, I mean that's great, but I also if like some shit goes down, it's horrible. I'm down for that too. It doesn't need to be peachy. And I mean, ultimately, they were there for each other when they needed it, so I think that's what matters. Yeah, and at the end, they were literally meant for each other because they're both terrible. Yeah, yes, yes, And I also like, like a lot of people, like, don't get me wrong, I love when there's a good character that's written good and you cheer for them on. But I also like people who are like like Tristan, where it's like he's clearly a piece of shit sometimes, but then you also cheer for him and he pisses you off. But you also don't want ship to happen like that too. Yeah, and yet because I don't, I don't always like like, oh there's like another good guy and he's written or she's written per perfect. I hate that ship. I hate like once in while it's fine, but all the time people, yeah that's more realistic. Yeah. And the horror was error, what are you talking about? It was the first sees the excess ghost that was that was good. Yeah. The one that freaked me out the most was the the spooning part. I was like, oh that's so yeah, yeah, so it was there, Like to that, I would say, just say you didn't get it and that's it, and then you can't be mad because you didn't understand it, Like yeah, that's on you, and like, yeah, not everything has to be just horrible horror horror after horror, Like I mean I had like good pacing and good like sort of jump scary moments. Yeah. I mean I would say it took a little too long to get there, but then it got there and it was all good. Yeah you needed you needed all that background and for the every it informed like the whole thing later. So yeah, so yeah, like and again I think because I rate everything that I like so highly, I would give it like five ghosts out of five ghosts rooms out of rooms. Yeah. I do have a few notes or thoughts I should say. Uh, I think Tristan was the necromancer because he already had a death on him technically, and I thought that's why he had to become the necromancer. And I don't know if it works, like because he was the reason. I guess she was because he was the motivation behind it. But I also it could also be that he witnessed the death in front of him. I think, so that makes sense. I don't know if it's one or the other. And then what I one part I didn't like about Tristan is that he's talking about he likes aphrodite women, but then he describes Monte as a plat wheatly type beautiful. Yeah, but I do remember this at all? Is that the end right, or like closer to the end when he's like admiring her beauty and he'll say it's one it's on page. Yeah, that she's not like a traditionally beautiful woman. She's like a beautiful in a monster sort of way. Yeah, I wouldn't say that because the goddess he mentions is like wheatly, and this goddess god has a mask and fe features. So to me, he's describing Momo as a tomboy or androgynas like still pretty in its own. Also, I couldn't send her nickname Momo. It's a nickname people have. I didn't like. I say me too, I mean it's fully there, like and you're gonna use momo. Yeah, but I didn't like that he was like telling her like that's a bad thing. I'm like, it's her thing, doesn't make her any less beautiful, like, and to me it comes off as like the Afro deity and the like Whitney comparison. More was more like European versus indigenous to me. Too interesting. I hadn't thought of that, Yeah, but yeah, it couldn't be either because I didn't remember it. But yeah, but that's it. But also, who does that, like you're not as hot as the other like women that I've been into, but you're all right the inner thought he's having, he doesn't tell her, Oh that's good at least. God, I thought he told her that. I imagine. Yeah, but I was like, oh my god, I wanted to slap him, like I wanted to like reach into the book and just go smack. Yeah, yeah, mm hmm. Okay, is that everything that is done? The book? Wait? I want to say my reading Oh oh yeah, you haven't said it. Okay, don't come for me, Christina. It was not five out of five for me, I think because of how solow it was and that I wish the magic was cooler, which is not no fault, I think because it was based on actual So I guess I can't really take that into account, but I want to and I will. So I would say, like I liked it, I would read it again, but it wasn't full like five. I would say like maybe like three point nine out of five. It was a random ass placed that ended out like three point nine. No, I can see that. Yeah, I didn't see that, like like if I if you had to twist my arm. Okay, fine, four. I was gonna say. They put eight and I don't know which one was weirder. Point nine. Did you give it a media m D. Yeah, I gave it five out of five. I really like the it's solely for the the historical ship that she moves in, but that made it cool. Yeah, once you told me about that. Also, I was like, Okay, I think if I knew that beforehand and then I read it, then it would I would have probably liked it a little bit more. Yeah, so that's why it's like cooler. Maybe that's why I give it like five out of five because I already knew. Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. Okay, Wow, well we survived. We finally recorded this and I already finished the next one. I have not even started. I guess i'll do the notes to them. The next book is Vampires by Isabel. We are very excited because we love Isabel. Yes, yes, so yeah, that is the next book. Hopefully it doesn't take us as long as this one. 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