The Case of Alexis, Cristina & Mirna Palomo Lima Cruz in Chalchuapa

Hello, Hello, This is Espooky Tells. I'm Christina and I'm Carmen, and this is the podcast for all things es spooky, sometimes haunted places, you know, paranormal stories, possession stories, true crime usually paired along with this. Sometimes we do a true crime case in one episode. And that's what's happening today because one I was very I was too busy arguing with people on fucking social. Media, and I know I shouldn't. Yeah, we've been going through it. We have Christina, then not. But yeah, Also the case that I'm talking about today, I don't know. You guys know, you all know there's just something about that breaks our hearts again and again and again and then also I don't know. I mean, we'll just I'll just get into what we're talking about. And it's a hard time for Stala feast. Who care right now? Yes? Yes, by who care, I mean who care about the atrocities that Bukela has become since he became president? Not just now right because at the time of recording, I mean, we'll get into it. But at the time of recording, President Trump and Bukele have met and things are not good. They're not good, and then suddenly no, okay, let's just get into the case, okay. And it's a resk, that's the point. Yeah. So it seems that makes headlines in the US only when it pertains to violence or immigration lately, a combination of both. As President Bukele met with US President this Monday, at the time of recording, April fourteenth, news has come out of that. That's again horrible and it made me think of the last time there was major news, major breaking news coming out of one and the news it was a discovery of a mass pit of disembodied humans and an ex cops serial killer in Chauchuapa. Do you remember this, Yeah, of course. And for those that don't know, chi Chwapa is a quiet town in the Santa Anna department, very close Guatemala. It's very very close to the border of Guatemala, and the events on May seventh led to this terrible discovery of the mass pit. On May seventh, twenty twenty one, a woman was heard running down a street being chased by a man. The first phone call to police dispatchers came from the neighbor of the house the woman was seen escaping from, but the nine one one operator sounded so annoyed because the man is whispering when he made the call, and I mean he's probably scared for his life too, like yeah, and so he didn't really like listen. He's just like why are you whispering? Like I need to know where you are? And the guy. Who's like, it's just it's so like, why are you even a nine one one Dispatcher's so careless? Yeahh, I don't know. I mean like when. You're when you have these kind of jobs, you have to care about people. And if you don't, at least give some kind of semblance that you do until you get a new job where you don't have to work with people like this. Right. Meanwhile, the woman is still running from the man. One police unit did arrive after the Nameabor's call twenty minutes after his call, but they saw nothing and they just left, but they didn't really look. They just kind of like lanced and left. Then the same neighbor called nine one again and said that he thought he heard a gunshot, but he realizes now it might have been the man hitting the woman with something so something so loud that, I mean, it was loud enough for him to confuse with the gunshop He tells them check my neighbor's house because the man dragged the woman back inside. They don't seem concerned about his call at all. They hang up. Another twenty minutes go by. Nine one gets another call. Now it's a woman calling to report a possible femicide and that's the worst she uses. Then the dispatcher pretends to not understand what a femicide. Went femicide, Hello, said Latin America twenty twenty one. Everybody should know what a fucking femicide is one hundred percent. But no, he says, when you say femicide, I don't What are you referring to please The caller says, yes, if you don't arrive in time, she's not wasting time explaining a femicide to this man. I love this woman. Yeah, but she was right. If they didn't arrive on time, there was going to be a memicide. But at that point an hour had passed since the first neighbor called nine on one. Then there's silence in stebs Ali in Chachwapa. Now it's almost midnight, one and a half hours after the first call. Another police unit arrives and start to patrol the neighborhood. One officer follows a trail of blood leading to a house. They end up breaking the door down to that house. Unknown to them at that moment, but this house belongs to Ugo Ernesto Osorio Chaves and he had just let his throat he was trapped. When they finally knocked the door down, they were met with a horrifying scene, two women dead on the floor. They proceed through the house and in the back they find two more bodies. Then they see a pit measuring nine feet deep. Some later it'll come out there was more than one pit, and then there's also apparently a septic tank that also has more bodies in it. But the initial pit they saw was nine feet deep. They look inside and they see that this is full of dead people and body parts. Horrified, but then they see that one man is laying on top of all these body parts, still alive but bleeding out. That's where Uguernesto Chavist threw himself after trying to kill himself because he was trapped by the police, so he was apprehended taken to the hospital on the same day of his arrest. Later, he had confessed to having buried nearly forty bodies, which included mostly women, but also a seven year old girl and two boys aged two and nine, and this was not released right away. Over the next few days, rumors began. First they said fifteen bodies were reported. On May ninth, two days after this horrible discovery, there was a press conference right outside of the crime scene, and during this official said that thanks to the quick work of the police, they were able to apprehend this psychopath. Quick work. They let the woman die. They could have arrived sooner, they could have found her if they hadn't just ignored the tons of phone calls they were receiving from neighbors first of all. Then nothing else was shared at all. It was radio silence. No one said anything. Reporters could only speculate as they saw people and hazmat suits load body out their body and white bags into trucks, just body of their body a lot. Occasionally, different officials gave updates, but none of these numbers were adding up. One person said six people were carried away. Someone else had twenty four people. Another person said eight. These are all different officials and different capacities in the government, like the coroner, the attorney, defense attorney of cha chwapa, the blah blah blah. Right, different people, but they all give different numbers, all contradicting each other. And among all this silence, one person remained the most silent. Dudda who was. Could it be the man slash dictator of the hour? Yeah it was. Yeah. Two long weeks after the crime scene discovery, Naibukele broke that silence via Twitter, tweeting of course Twitter, No, of course it was a main source of propaganda. Yeah, I expect nothing else from this man. And he tweeted that Ugoo Soo, the confirmed killer of at least fifteen, was moved to a maximum security prison where he would remain for a very very very long time. And then after this, again radio silence, no public updates on the case, nor naming the possible victims, like nothing. But the digging continued and it was revealed that the other man found dead, one of the other men specifically found dead, was UGO's own brother. I don't know what's up with that, but apparently he killed his own brother. And then it came out ten people were charged with participating in what officials were saying was. A murder ring. And then after that news, police records released by La Prenzi Graphica reveal that's a newspaper and that's the phone. Revealed that nine of ten of these accused were all detained for things like appearing nervous, not carrying cell phone documents, carrying a suspicious cell phone, or for aggressive resistance. So of these ten being accused, nine were arrested for nothing to do with these murders. And I repeat that one of those arrests were made. Some of those arrests were made for not carrying cell phone documents, so like not being able to prove that your cell phone is your cell phone because they don't have the receipt. What Yeah, okay, look up there when you first said that, That's why I repeated it. That makes no sense. Who carries anything showing that your cell phone is your cell phone? Yeah, but that's one of the charges many what are the many arbitrary charges being used in it's out of a load. So yeah. And then as these ten you know, Brandow people were brought in, Ugle Sodio identified each one one by one like, oh he helped me kill this person and dig them up, he did this, and blah blah blah, and he even accused. His own neighbor. His own neighbor was brought in and then he was like, yes, my neighbor helped me too, so I mean it's called yeah, yeah, yeah. The police brought him in and Ugle also was like, oh, yes, he helped me kill someone else. Like he was just outdown people, honest. Something. He's talking out of his ass, right, maybe trying to, you know, get himself a deal. But there's no deals. Please, no, no, there's the opposite of deals, even for people. I mean, like this man obviously guilty, other people not guilty, still arrested for made up charges. So there was no deal here, no deal to be had. So that's just like the order of things that happened again with no information as to why. Nothing. There's like these ten people were brought in and then suddenly newspapers leaked information that like they're an added but these arrests, right, that's how things were going. And now back to the early days after the discovery, mothers of the many missing people and then Savadora flooded to Chachuapa hoping to find their kids in the remains, but again nothing was being shared, and thanks to the hard work of journalists on the ground like Brian Ablare and the newspaper Factum as well as La Pensuga Africa I was also putting things out and the FAO, as always, they were together to find out who the woman was that brought all this to light, like the woman running who who that was? Because that also wasn't shared in the beginning of all this. So it all began with the Palomo Lima Cruz family. Twenty four year old Alexis Palomo Cruz lived with his mom Mitna and his sister Jacqueline. Midna had set up a store in the outskirts of Santa Anna to support her kids, and Alexis was a medical student, but the job prospects were not looking good in Salvador and he started to strongly consider what doing what many Salvadorians have done for decades now, go to the US and that way he could help his family and you know, the American dream. It just sounds silly calling her to dream. But it also happened that Ugo Ernesto Osio Chavez frequented at the family store that Midna owned, and Midna and Jacqueline had both chatted with Ugosto about Alexis wanting to go to the US, and that's when Ugo Ernesto shared that one of his jobs was a coyote, being a coyote getting people to the US, and that he could help Alexis for seven thousand dollars. And Alexis was so excited to go he dropped out of medical school pre paired for the trip. Alexis even had to go to his abulito to help him come up with the full amount because together with Midnight Jacqueline Alexis, it wasn't enough. That's a lot of money, but they did it and on May fourth, twenty twenty one, Midna delivered the payment to Ugo Ednesto or Soio. Then on May seventh, Alexis said goodbye to his family and set off. They did not expect to speak to him again until he was in the US. But on that same night of the seventh, Ugo Ernesto Soo came by the store and he told Midna that something had gone wrong. He said Alexis had been kidnapped, but he could take her to his kidnappers. Midna agreed. Meanwhile, her daughter Jacqueline Christina overheard all this. She stayed behind, but she was very very worried and suspicious, and so Jacqueline she went by Christina or Christine. She was twenty six at this time, and so Alexis is the baby brother and she's the older sister, and she was always there for him, very protective of him. She also practiced judo every single day, and she rode her bike everywhere. That's how she got around. So all this to say, she was a very strong, loyal, active, fierce woman. And so when she noticed that her mom was not back, she of course when looking for her, like, this is taking too long, let me go find my mom. And meanwhile, of course Jackline Christina didn't know at the time, but when Mina and Ugo Ernesto Sodo got to the supposed house, it was really his house. And when when he opened the door, she had to she came across her. Son dead on the floor. Oh my god. Then Ugo Esto attacked her with an iron pipe hitty. This was his emo, hitting people across the head with his iron pipe almost as soon as they stepped in the door, and then doing discussing things after that when and then again, so this is what was happening, and Christina didn't know and so she went looking for her, and she went to Ugunesto's house, practically forced her way in and saw her brother and her mom dead on the floor. Ugatneslo tried attacking her too, but again she did judo every day. She fought him off and she ran away, and she screamed at the top of her lungs for help as Ugo ed Nesto Sodio chased after her with his iron pipe in his hand. This is what neighbors heard and reported. And again, if police actually had listened to the first neighbor and had actually properly looked around, they would have got there in time to prevent another death. Yeah, or murder, I should say, yes, exactly, and so fast forward. This was May seventh, and again I kind of went over the what happened. Then the next you know, several days where no information was provided, everything was no one was saying anything but mothers and father people looking for their missing loved ones were flooding the area because they heard about the mass pit pits plural so. On May twentieth, three weeks after the discovery of the mass grave, journalist Bryan Avelad received the document. It was UGO's official confession, so again he confessed. He confessed the same day he was apprehended and taken to the hospital. But none of this was revealed until May twentieth, and that's because someone anonymously sent it to the journalist Bryan. They liked this information, yes, and that's the only reason that it came to light. And then even then Brian received it and him, along with the newspaper factor had to decide do we want to publicizes? Like? Do we but they felt that they needed to, But they knew it was going to be a dangerous thing because so in the confession Ugo Ernesto Rio childs he confessed to murdering and raping at least thirteen people, with details on how he lured them to his house, how he killed them. But the dates of his crimes in this confession directly contradicted the official account of the country's president, because Naibukele had tweeted out that all of U's crimes were committed before his time as president. Why would he do that? Should we explain? I feel like we have our well, okay, if you listen to I have a little extra explaining this. I don't know, no, I didn't Okay, Okay, then yeah you should explain. Okay, So if you've listened to our other podcast as known, you're very aware of why the president would want to change these dates. But if you haven't listened to that, Nai Bukele's whole platform, right, this whole mano thing he has done, the state of exception, the arrests, the mass arrests of South Durant people under the premise of all of them being gang members, even though human rights organizations have found that only one third of the one hundred thousand plus Salvadorians arrested are actual gang members. Only one third of that number. Right, Sorry, I'm just like speeding through this because I'm just sick of it, right, I'm so tired. Of course, of course, so you know, all these people have been arrested under the premise that this country is now safe, It's now the safest country. He turned the country from murder capital of the world, zero murders to zero murders, and if the real dates of these crimes came out, it would contradict his zero murders stance. The whole, his whole thing, So that's why he lied and tweeted that all these crimes were committed before his time as president, even though the dates on this confession said otherwise. And the confession also brought out new information that Osrio did not act alone. Most of us victims were young women, all low income, who were lured with either the promise of a job or financial support, but sometimes, like people he knew, brought over their own victims and they apparently killed them together, is what he is alluding to in his confession or confessing to, I guess is the right word. And so this is how he lured sixteen year old Reyna, who worked selling handbags ten minutes from Ugua Nesto's home. Two men approached her at her stall and they told her they could get her a better job selling cell phones at a new stand that was going to open, and the sent that on a mall like a new Kiosk. And after two weeks of trying to what, she took their phone numbers because they were like, well, at least she was like not sure about taking the job, and so he was like, here's my phone number if you change her mind. They exchanged phone numbers and then they were just hounding her on the phone, trying to convince her to take this job. They're like, oh, it's a better job than we're doing now, you don't make more money, and I mean, who doesn't want to make more money? Right? Right? After two weeks of trying to convince her to take the job, she accepted. So she had breakfast with her mom. She said goodbye for her first day of work, or so she thought, because instead Unesto Sorio took her to his house where an accomplice was already waiting for them. And then, according to his confession, which matches Whatreina had told her mom already about meeting two men who offered the job, his confession included that part. So then you know, when he took her to her house and the encompass was waiting. According to the confession, Ugosorio stepped out, and that's when the accomplice killed her. Then he stepped back in. They did discussing things, and they buried her in the pit behind his house. This all happened March twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, and so again contributing the dates that Naibukele said, all these crimes all happened and so uh On March twenty eight, twenty twenty one, When Rena's mom, Daisy, noticed that she hadn't come home, she went to the police to report her missing, but instead of helping, the police were dismissive. Then they told her they could accuse her of letting her child's work, which is not a crime. Many teens work, Oh my god, and it's not other works, that is not a crime. Then they threatened to detain her, and they very much could. At this point in time, the state of exception had already been going on, which means they could arrest anyone for anything. Yeah, and so this isn't real tame and give them a reason, right, yeah, to process? No, none at all. And so they very much could detained her for no reason. But she did not waiver. This is her daughter. There was a ton of back and. Forth, and finally they filed the missing persons report and then they did nothing. Daisy continued to search for Rena until May, when her landlord called her and said, hey, have you heard about child Chwapa. They are finding a bunch of bodies in several graves mass graves and maybe your daughter is there. So Daisy started making call after call. She finally got to the district attorney's office, and whoever I answered the phone, I forget. Who it was. It's like the main attorney there, attorney, I don't know the term. Sorry anyway, the da like the district, the. Tree Yeah, yeah, the main one. Yeah. So this person told her in a very annoyed voice that only two bodies had been discovered in the child case, and her daughter was not one of them. But there was so much contradicting information already, because already there was news of people on the ground saying no there more yeah, yes, exactly what I said earlier, that's what was happening. And so because of all that contradicting information, Daisy and her older daughter were like, no, we need to go down to the crime scene ourselves. And they did and it was like a ten mile walk for them. They didn't have a car room, but they went. They got to the scene. No one confirmed anything for them. She showed them pictures like again, no one is talking. And it's weird because normally the coroner had previously worked with Bryan the journalist and victims, telling them, oh, yes, this is your child. Yes. He was like very right, yeah, almost as if someone told people to keep this on the low low. Yes, hm, exactly, And back to that confession. That confession confirmed Rena was one of his many victims. But nobody told Daisy until like months months later, literal months, and before they told her. They basically not forced her, but like told her, oh, you should go to our court appointed psychologists to help with the grief. And someone told her, yet, you know, these things do help with grief. But it was really this so they could use this to call her crazy later because she was not giving up and finding her daughter. The murder of her daughter contradicts the dates the president is saying these murders happened. They don't want to tell her, they want to keep it hidden from her, and then they made her sound crazy for trying to discover what happened. It's like for to discredit her later on, like exactly, oh, she doesn't actually like, there's no basis for her continuing to search, Like, look, she's seen a psychiatrist. She's crazy. Don't listen to her. Yeah, yeah, And it's like, how do you do that to someone looking for their child? But no, and so brother does this all the time to people looking for their missing loved ones. She's not the only one that this has happened to at all, So okay, let's move back. Sorry the confession. The confession also included how he would lend his home to friends who wanted to sexually abuse women, and then he would help them get rid of the bodies in his Also, deranged men got together and said they fight each other, these dearranged people, they find each other no truly, And he charged the fee for this service. Oh my god, I'm getting it's not the same, but it's reminded me of the Pelicot case. I don't know how to say her last name, but you know the woman whose husband trying her every night and letting men sexually abuse her. Like those de arranged men found each other to do these horrendous things to this woman. And likewise, here these arranged men found each other to commit horrendous crimes against women. So this is how a thirty six year old woman and her nine year old daughter became part of the remains in the pits. Oh my god. And again the official count of the bodies found it was never confirmed. The only official names released were those of Alexis Midna and Jacqueline Christina, and they later said twelve victims were delivered to their families in October twenty twenty one, and the prosecutor of the case said there was thirty three bodies removed from the pits. Like again, so who else was found there? Yeah, and their families deserved to know? Yesonymous source stated that municipal cemeteries have not received any other bones relating to the case. Just four bodies from the pit have been buried in cha Chuapa cemetery. No one knows where the arrest are since then, since then, wow, what the fuck? Yeah, And just a little bit about this fucking deranged man. Ugo Sorio was born February sixth, nineteen seventy. He stayed in school until nineteen Sorry, he stayed in school until ninth grade, and he joined the police force at twenty seven, where he remained until two thousand and five. He was kicked out of the police for aggressive sexual behavior and I mean, it has to be bad if they're kicking you out, because that's like me all for them. Yeah yeah, and also for raping a minor. So he spent five years in prison for that and then he was released and he continued his crimes. He was connected to the disappearance of a woman around that after his release, but nothing happened to him. From that, he was also arrested for trying to solicit a fifteen year old for sex. Then he was suspected for the involvement with a trafficking ring that was linked to eight disappeared girls in Guatemala. Wow, I'm sure he was involved. Oh yeah, no doubt. Then he was again accused of raping a minor, but he was never once arrested for this. This was back in twenty nineteen. Douglas Antonio Ernandez brought a young relative of his to his house, to Ugo at Nestosdio's house, and Douglas Antonio Nandez had already been sexually assaulting this young relative of his. Then he brought her to this man's house right and then the range finding each other. Yeah, they assaulted her. The girl managed to escape and the family took her to the police and they filed a complaint and and arrest warrant was made, but nothing happened. Ugo Sorio was only charged. Sorry, now we're back in the present of this case, so May twenty twenty one. After all that, After all that, Ugo Soo was only charged with the double femicide of Midna and her daughter Jacqueline Christina, and what about all the other bodies that were found there? And right he confess to confess thirteen yeah, oh my gosh, and he was only charged with three. He was only charged with two Milna and Christina. Oh wow. Yeah. He received a seventy year sentence on June tenth, twenty twenty two, and then in November of that same year, he was sentenced to an additional eighteen years for the rape of a minor, the girl that escaped, the one from twenty nineteen. That's when he received an additional eighteen years for that. But journalists were not allowed to enter his trial, and there was supposed to be a separate trial to charge him for the murder of Alexis, but that has not happened yet to this day. Why not, I don't know. And also re Nazma, their Daisy has not received any word of charges brought forward for her murder either, but she is in the confession she was found in the pit, so he was never charged with that either, even though it should have been like clear cut at least for Alexis Andrena. I guess because it doesn't line up with the statement that bo that's my suspicion. Yeah. Yeah, and they only did the other two because they had to do something right. Yeah. On April twenty sixth, twenty twenty three, there was a trial for the nine of the ten that he accused, the people that were arrested, but then they were all acquitted. The judge said that there was zero evidence connected them to the case and their charges were only based on the accusation of Ugo or Sodio, and they were released. But then suddenly they were arrested again. What Yeah, and six of them received sentences between twenty to one hundred and ten years in prison for what. I don't know. Couldn't find their charges. I did find three of the other three the lesser charges they were sentenced to. They were sentenced for the crime of illicit groups, meaning accused. Of being waiting. Oh my god, I honestly believe that they were arrestigious for this man Aluda. Look, I'm sure, yeah, because again they were already released for zero evidence connected them to the case. And it's very like he probably did have accompasses. I mean two men talked about yes, yeah, like two men lured DNA to the house, and he talked about another case in his confession, he confessed to it, the one with the nine year old girl. But if these ten men at first there was zero evidence connecting them to the the to him, it makes me think that and the judge said that, yeah, but you just one of the judges. That was fired, and then then a different judges. Right sentence them during this time period and people, yes, that's remind people we have talked about this any stories and known, but that's a little history is political, and so we talk about political things over there. I Spokita's not so much, but you have to you must know that bud arrest or sorry fire a bunch of judges under the excuse of like, no one over this age should be a judge. And then so that fired a bunch of judges proceeding over a lot of important cases, including. The Santa Marta five. Look into that. If you don't know what that is, we're not going to talk about it today, but it's an important case. And also like the trial of Msote. Like but also probably this one, like are we did talk about at Ustodiasa No, yes we did so. Yeah, during this time period, a bunch of judges were fired, and so it's suspicious that there was zero evidence and then suddenly they were arrested again, and it's it's almost like it's I wonder if these were the actual ten men that were his accomplices. I there are probably his accomplices are probably just out there, like, oh, I'm sure, yeah, continue deranged business. Yeah. Especially they were like important people and they could have been Yeah. They don't want to make themselves look bad, right, but they want to say, look at us being tough on crime, arresting these people who were found zero evidence at first. Right, does this include a neighbor that called you know, I don't know. But I think so. I think, oh my god, that is so unfortunate. Yeah, I can't be sure because it's nine, right, Like there was ten accused, but I only found nine of the ten that were sentenced, So maybe he used the tenth one and it wasn't He was the last one arrested for this, so oh, maybe not. Bet. I couldn't find any information. Again, it's very hard to find information on this. And it's not for the lack of translation. Yeah, because we know Spanish, we can read Spanish. No, it's not there's not a lot of It's all been really really hidden. Even from the beginning, they were hiding information on this, and even Factoom's original paper with our article with the confession legally had to be removed. You can't find that anymore and I couldn't find it. Yeah, if you go to the website, it says like we legally had to remove this because the court said blah blah blah blah, and yeah, they you have to remove it. So there's still no answer for why he was never arrested for anything prior to you know, the May second, twenty twenty one and then the discovery of the mass pits or no explanation as to why he was in charge with the other two. Right after his arrest, the Salvadorian government kept saying he was a psychopath, but a psychiatry assessment leaked by Elfado revealed that there was a psychiatry assessment done and Google Sodio Chravis was considered mentally competent and understood right from wrong, but he just did the wrong thing anyway. But like this psychiatric assessment, you know, claimed that he wasn't a psychopath, like he just doesn't care about other people, which honestly sounds like a psychopath, but. That's what the assessment says. But again, you could be like it could just I don't know what, you could do bad things, and I guess not do not be a psychopath. Right, you know? Yeah? Yeah, But all this to just show how the government is lying and then newspapers are leaking the real information and now and for since the start of his administration, newspapers have been attacked by the administrations, including and follow being like almost shut down and journalists having to flee. Well didn't I'm going to talk about that. Yeah. Oh so just a little bit more on this deranged man. Again, his neighbors considered him an okay person who kept himself, even sometimes thinking of him as kind. And this just goes to show you never know what's going on behind closed doors exactly, And it goes to show that he was not crazy because in different settings he presented as normal. Yeah. Uh. Those who knew him in the past knew he always had anger issues. He had children with several women over the years, but he never lived with any of them. He would just like go to sometimes see the kids, and at least one woman stated he was physically abusive to her while you know, seeing the kids and like it was like he never lived with them, but he was still trying to have revileged with them. And he former friends of his were saying, like he would talk about how much he liked like women and girls. Wow, discussing anyway, When journalists Bryan and Faktum released the information about the confession, they were worried because they had been subjects to harassments from Buka and his trolls before. But pat troll behavior, yeah, like a little troll farm or big troll farm. Yes, yeah, they were not new to this type of stuff because they had previously uncovered news out of the police unit that was acting as a death squad for the government dead squads. Yeah, no, yeah, anyway, yes, and so they were not new to harassment because they received a ton of harassment from then, even someone accusing Brian of having been a gang member himself. By that accusation, it's not a lie accusation as time period anymore, because that means you're arrested, right and then now you're not a title to do process like we mentioned before exactly, and it's just it's the same bullshit defense or argument by these Bookla trolls and Buketta. Every time any disagreement for. A wrong act by his by him and his administration or regime, I should say, it's always the same thing. Oh you're a gang member, Oh you love gang members? Yeah, like that's their go to because they know they're wrong and that's the only defense. Yeah. Truly, it was clear to the Factoom team that this was something the government didn't want out because most of these crimes took place after COVID when there was a strict stay at home curfew which if you did not listen to this curfew, you were arrested. Then you know, the state of exception, which obviously made police and military presidents even stronger in a bunch of towns. And so it was not a good look for them to say, well, look at this confession because these crimes are taking place, and the president's lyne about it. So but they released it. They went ahead and released it, and. That's when the government demanded that they needed to take it down, and they went after them legally, and they did have to take it down because disobeying it was a crime. But the news made it out in time for it to be like major news. But then Brian got a text that he was going to be arrested, that he needed to get out of a set of a little asap because there was like talks of him being arrested, and like normally he had been threatened before, so he wasn't like too worried, But then it became clear that he was, like legit going to be arrested and like subject to these who knows, because at that point he was being accused of being a gain. They're probably gonna set him to secle. Like, yeah, so was that that girl open already? I don't remember. Actually when did this motherfucker open? I think it was. I think it was. I think it was about to open. Because what year was this it was? You said twenty twenty one, right, yeah, well this was already twenty twenty two when he was driven out. It opened in January twenty twenty three. Okay, so it wasn't that, I was right, It was more recent. Yeah, my bad. Either way, very very dangerous time period to be arrested and detained. And so you know, Brian fled the country in the middle of the night. He got on like a last minute flight. He's now in Mexico. And yeah, the government is very quick to drive out journalists, just like they did to Brian and silence other journalists. And then the news of this mass grave sorry graves plural was silenced, sorry, not silence, but drowned out because then very quickly after that, bitcoin was announced as the official currency of the country. And you know, at the same time as this is happening, behind the scenes, the government is working hard to silence everyone else. Right, So Brian fled and some other to Mexico. Rena's mother, Daisy, also faced backlash for trying to find her daughter. The same thing has happened to others looking for their missing loved ones, because them searching for their loved ones contradicts the quote unquote safest country in Latin America, right right, So that's why they're going after it. There was another and again, anyone who hasn't listened to UMO needs to listen to UMO, especially if you're like on the verge of like do I believe this or not? Is this probably me? Me? Mean, you know, if you're like no, not really mean, if you're if you're like you don't know about this and you're finally seeing it now, that would be a great place to catch up on a lot of what has happened, because these eight episodes cover so much, including all of this really, but also another man who was searching for his son heard about chu Chuapa went to church Chwapa to try and find his son there too, and now he's missing. He's missing too, and. This is a toe as old as time, like we see the same thing in Mexico with people looking for their loved ones then they're murdered or looking for justice. Yes, yeah, And I think the point of me wanting to share this case not not to sensationalize this, not to say, oh, look at this house of whores and church Wapa, because that's what a lot of people are calling it. No, because I think the most important thing to make note of is that while Claims is no longer the murder capital of the country because him, because of him, and because of a state of exception, because of his Mano dura, it's safe now. You cannot report of murder if there is no body, So murder rates are down. They're not reporting the murders that are happening because there's no bodies for these supposed murders, and because of that, they're saying the country's safe because look, our murder rate has gone down. But I will repeat again that you cannot report a murder if there is no body. Right. People are being disappeared, yes, yes, and that is not a new practice. That is the handbook for dictatorships. Yeah, in the meantime, the number of missing people grows and grows. At least twenty two hundred families continue searching for their missing family members, and this is only counting recent disappearances. But again, the practice of disappearing people was common during the civil war. And before anyone comes at me about how both sides during the civil war, I will repeat again that the UN found that of the human rights violations committed during the seventh Doran Civil War, ninety percent of those human rights violations were caused by the right wing government and their death death squads. And then you know, people are still going to come to me tell me that those numbers are they were faked, They were lines. But again the UN is a non I mean like, the UN. Has problems to right, but they were not in one side or the other. If any control investigating party, if anything, fighting party, yeah, if anything, and they would have been on the side of the US, which would have tried to minimize the crimes of the right wing because they were were being funded by the United States and yes, trained exiety states. Yeah, so it doesn't even make sense to make that argument, But I say that because people have said it to me when I shared it. All there are facts, okay, And just because you. Don't see the truth and you're going to be all emotional about your favorite dictator, that doesn't mean that these truths are not true. And yeah, go cry about it, you know. Yeah, because I'm not crying. There's accused me of crying and being emotional when I'm just sharing information. Facts are vaxxed and I'm sorry. This goes also to the people that refuse to see the truth about the United States government that trum and blah blah blah. Yeah, and these are the people that are like, oh, facts, There are feelings like no, you're the one that doesn't want to see facts. You're the one on your. Faily one leaving twenty two comments in the span of five minutes right one of my videos stump okay. According to the Salvadoran NGO, crystosan a great resource of information. There have been four hundred deaths reported in as all those prisons, but the true number of deaths is closer to one thousand. To this day, nothing else has been said about the numbers, about the number of victims or who they were in the pits in Chaichwapa. One has to question why was there an insistence to bury and silence anyone researching this sharing the information on this case. And I will repeat, you can say the murder rate has gone down if there's no murder to prove because there is no body right, So yes, that was the case. I wanted to talk specifically about this case today because has recently been in the news with the meaning between Trump and Buckle that took place at the time of recording yesterday for fourteen five. But this comes out Friday, so that Monday. And I know people don't want to hear about politics and their favorite podcast, but I don't give a book because this is affecting everyone. Everything is political also, yeah, and we like this true crime case is literally political. Yeah, and it's all connected. But this is very recent news. Suddenly people want to talk about Salvador but not understand or care to know what was happening in n Salvador before this press conference, before they were being all these deporties were being sent to En Salorda. And that's not to say that's like, I'm not minimizing that that's fucking horrible, right, No one is saying it's not horrible, But I just want to emphasize that the people of En Salvador, like, you know, he keeps touting this ninety percent approval rate, but people are ignoring that he controls the media, right, Yeah, right, of course you have a higher approval rate when you gel your dissidents, when you shut down and silence your opponents. Yeah, you're gonna have a high approval rate when you're literally ousting people from your country or putting them in gel and you can't make them yeaef. And we have cover mass protests against Bugle. The people who been sanlon have been subject to these things despite this repression. Yes, like like protests in numbers of like twenty thousand, right, and so yes, I mean a lot of Salvadorian and Salvadoran Americans have sided with Bucele knowing about the human rights violations, literally not caring. But there is a huge number of people that had always been protesting him, especially in the regions like Santa Marta, like. Elmosote. So I don't I don't know where I've even going with this. I just I just wanted to say that, like, because suddenly there's all these people saying, like, I don't know, I guess talking shit, And like some of us have been calling this from day one, right right, and we're you know, faced with such backlash. I mean, we were bombarded with one star reviews for a long ass time because we did like three or four episodes about the man. Yeah, but yeah, and like, I mean, the Trump administration is sending these departees like like it's not it's not all of a sudden, just like it's literally Trump sending them there and wanting to do this. And he gets to do this with like no, with no consequences because oh it's out of my hands because now he has this pawn, right you know. And A and so again this is like in the news because. Trump paramedic ignored in order to bring back a plane of departees of Venezuelan departees. But then also there's the case that's making the most headlines and he's not the only one, but Ki Abrego Garcia. He is a twenty nine year old migrant from the inn Saradod. He's been living in the US for fourteen years. He's married to a US sin he has three children with disabilities. He's, you know, a hard working construction worker. He has never been involved in a gang. He was shielded from a deportation in twenty nineteen because he would face persecution from the gangs if he had returned, and so he That means his deportation was legally stopped and he was given a federal permit to work in the US. Despite this permit, the Trump administration deported him. Then they said it was an administrative error. Then they doubled back on that and insisted Ki mad was a member of MS thirteen in Long Island, a place he'd never been to, never lived in. Lies, just straight up lies by these people. Yeah, and Ki Matt has never been charged with the crime. He had legal status in the US to be here. Despite this, both Bugle and Trump multiple times during the press conference said he was a terrorist. Lied. But they could just make up any any definition to find anybody as a terrorist or a criminal. Yeah, yeah, and then ship them off. And also even if someone has committed a crime, they should not be shipped out of the United States to a foreign prison like that should not be happening either, even if someone has committed a crime. Yeah, and yeah, I just that's why I wanted to cover this case because of the recent news. And you know, suddenly there's some people that are like, oh, Bukat is making us look bad because he's doing this for Trump. But it's like, first of all, Bukut has always made you look bad. You've just now seen it. Yeah, now that it's affecting people from the United States exactly. So yeah, I mean, do you have any any more thoughts to share about this? No? I think that we have kind of said I guess the most important things already, So I guess not. No, Actually I have one more thing to add. Oh, sorry to keep you longer. No, it's fine. So I didn't know where this was coming from, but I had been seeing it all over threads, people saying, oh, let's hold in san At accountable, boycott these companies, and then it was just a bunch of like sweatshops in and Carmen told me, apparently it's come from the fifty I'm not sure if it comes from there or it was just shared there. You know, Okay, I don't know where this call is coming from, but I just I just want to add that for years now, there's been activists in the ground standing up to bu stating what they want Salvadoran diaspora to do. Right, actions call to actions from them from activists on the ground, and suddenly people want to boycott, you know, sweatshops. That doesn't care about This isn't going to affect him. I mean, maybe it will. I don't know. It's going to affect the people of a Salvador that he clearly doesn't care about because he's been arrested, never cared about, right, Yeah, all he guess about is his money, which doesn't receive from these places. Yeah, you know, but you know, if you want to get information from Salvadorians about signing up to follow c space also will put his sub sack in the show notes and other source. But there's many, there's many. Is another one I will put hers. She just had a really good episode about what is happening? That is the title of it. It was a live event with. Uh I think I don't remember at university but but point of all that is to say, we here in the United States need to worry about the fucking United States and we need to do things. Here like we are also in a fascist government. Worry about that. Fight Trump. The best way you can fight to fight Trump? This money who made this deal with to send? Yes exactly? Yeah, yeah. Because then also people have been saying also like boycott your local boo. Yeah, listen, my local has a calendar of boo. I don't go there anymore. But that was like as three years ago that I saw amp scare when I entered. So finally I don't get because it's looking rough. Also, let me have Carmen's uh TikTok had me dying. Yeah, and the three comments I have, they're going to my. Head, they are Yeah, they didn't fight in her head. It's almost like you can't shut it down. So hey, comments come at me, just kid, No, no, please don't. But yeah, I mean I agree one hundred percent with everything you're saying. There have been Subdorian voices against Bukele since bole ascended into fashion. Roum. I was gonna say descended, but no, no, he he rose to power. And as with any cause in any issue. We should be listening to the voices of those that are affected, right, Like we don't listen to people that are not from Palestine. Well, I mean, okay, like now we do, well, you know what I mean, Like. Like BDS came from Palestinian activity rights, right exactly. It wasn't a random white person from Boston, you know, saying let's do this and this and this, Like no, yeah, what do they know? Right, Let's take our lead from people who are affected and the people who have you know, first had. Knowledge about this. Yeah. And you know people are gonna say, well, people are being deported from here. Yeah, but they're they're being deported by Trump. Yeah, they're being forcibly disappeared by Trump. Yeah right, because to say deported, there's a legal process to deportations. That it's not interpretations. Yeah right. And it's not to say that you shouldn't care about what's happening in other places, Yes you should, but you shouldn't put your own bias in your own You should be taking word from the activists there about the issues there and taking the lead from them. And and like we have been saying, there are and have been soldarin speaking out against bull forever, right, And I've also seen people saying. Oh, I have not seen one telf don't mean talking about this. Well, you're not looking at the right place. Okay, look harder, thank you, thank you. And that's not to say there's not work to do, because there's still a ton of course, of course, pro too many, too many. But you know, people love Pinochet. People still defend him today, and it's like, what the fuck that was another? Like, please anyway, I want to get too off to on my ranting note, right right right to end on a fund your note, like I was sayings, get real rough his makeup orange Trump so died. Yeah, yeah, he's following. He's taking makeup tips from Trump. Yeah, it's clear. It's clear, it is. I do think his head looks bigger. I don't know what's going on. It looks he looked like a bobblehead in that press conference. And I do think that it's the physical manifestation of the concentration of power. It's gone to his head. It has Oh my god, don't maybe laughed too much. Yeah, okay, okay, that's it's yeah, Yeah, I think that's it for us. I have a feeling we might get a little hate for these stances, and I mean, like, what can you do? I don't know. I've been calling my reps and they have been hanging up on me. They have been answering, that's saying lame excuse, out their excuse. But I'm gonna keep bothering them when I have free time, and that's what I've been doing. My the congress person is holding a towel meeting Thursday. I'm gonna go yell at her. It's fine, Like, you know, those are the little things we can do, and just look out for bigger actions here that you can do. But I don't know about these random boycotts being called by random people that we don't know who are behind them. But becauds are effective when there. Is they're organized and there's like a purpose. Yeah yeah, so yeah, just I don't know. Let's say, strong Salis who've always been calling out. We can do it. Oh man. Yeah. Do we want to talk about some bigger recommendations. Well, I guess. Some things that I've read that are in line with these kind of topics fascism, fighting fascism, you know that kind of stuff. I guess we've talked about defectors and we're gonna do a book club discussion over at the study as a known about it. That channel is on our normal discord though, so if you read the book and you want to talk about it, it is on our discord. And I think that reading defectors it'll give you an understanding about why people like b are pop so popular. Yeah, it really it's a must read. Yes, yeah, so I guess that would be one recommendation. I also just recently read damn It. What the hell was it called? It was? It's by Mariasa. I literally just talked about it. Oh, the had to stand Up to a Dictator. Oh that's what it's called. Yes, I want to say, yeah, that's what it's called. Yeah, how to stand Up to a Dictator by Maria Essa. She is a journalist from the Philippines who was arrested, like I want to say, two to three times by another fashion dictator who is being held accountable by his human crimes against humanity. And I just hope day to see up there with him. And then I also did just read King Leopold's Ghost and that is about a little bit more in the past. It's about King Leopold who basically terrorizes the congo for profit for money. You know how these things go, and it talks about a lot of it is pertinent to today too, so I would recommend that as well. And I'm sure there's a bunch of others that I can't think of right now. Yeah, just a few books. Good? Good? What about you? Do you have anything to recommend? No? No, I've been watching er and finding people on social media. Oh my god. Yeah, I need to stop. Well, I don't know. On that note, tomorrow or next week's episode will hopefully be a lighter one and a shout out to our newest member, Ashley Curry, thank you so much for joining the three dollars tier. The or Liz series is Spooky Tear. I will be sending you a sticker everyone else. Eventually I am going to make stickers. But again, I've been busy fighting people on social media and I don't know. I don't know. 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