The Teotihuacán Shooting

Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carman and this is another episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things spooky hunted, places, myths, legends, and true crime in Latin America. And today today's a rough episode. It is a recent true crime case, the Del di Wacan shooting from April. So you know, if you cannot listen to that, go ahead and skip this one. Take care. However, I wanted to cover it because there's something that I feel like was missed in a lot of the coverage about this. So that's why I wanted to do it, and that's why we are here today. Okay, I'm happy we're doing it, obviously not happy that it happened. It was a horrible thing that should never happen anywhere. But yeah, I didn't really see that much coverage on it. I only saw one. Well I'm sure there's more, but it was an April I'm forginning. But I watched like one good TikTok from a Mexican person about it, and I think that was really it. You might have seen the same one, yeah, because I sent the ze or use sense to me one of those. You're right, Oh, and no listener story today because it's just the case. But if you have a paranormal story that you want to send to us that happened to you or so many in your family, you can email a spookitos at gmail dot com. You can call you a spooky hotline, you can DM it, you can send voice notes. There's so many ways to get it to us. We love receiving them. All that information is in the show notes. Okay, I think that's everything. Now, let's get started, all right. On April twentieth, twenty twenty six, at around eleven twenty am, a masked gunman dressed in a black and white plaid longsleeved shirt opened fire while standing in the I guess what you could refer to as the mezzazine mezzanine, sorry, mezzanine. Pyramide de la Luna in Deo di Wacan. This is the second largest pyramid in Deo di Wacan and it's one of the most visited archaeological sites in Mexico, second only to chiche Itza in Yucatan. It received one point eight million visitors in twenty twenty five. Wow, I went there, but non twenty twenty five, I was like twenty eighteen or so when I went, It's on my list of places to go. So unsurprisingly, on that Monday morning when the gunman opened fire, there were a lot of people there. The gunman killed one person, a twenty nine year old Canadian woman, some sources say thirty two years old. However, her name was not made public by Canada or the family, and so I didn't go digging for it. That's just it was. A Canadian woman was killed. Another thirteen were injured, seven from gunshots and six from running away during the shooting. So among them six Americans, three Colombians, two Brazilians, one Russian, and one Canadian, also a six year old and thirteen year old. Before the gunman fired and killed and injured these people, he fired twenty to thirty rounds into the air. He then held up a group of tourists at gunpoint and started shouting that he would sacrifice them and that he had already killed two Koreans. I'm going to play part of the clip here. I think I'm only going to include one section, not the most like traumatizing part to listen, because I don't want to like trauma subject people to that. Yeah, if you want to seek that out it is out there. However, I'm going to cut it down to one specific line because they want people to listen to his accent. So let me I didn't know he had an accent. He was from Mexico, right or no woking into it? Okay, okay, so what. More parole him here a way. I'm more food of Corea again, would have had a vermanto. Could you hear? Because he's far away so it's hard to hear, sort of, I just heard something about Corianos and then can I try to make it. I'll try to make it more clear in the episode, try to like make it louder so you can actually hear what he's saying. I because, okay, so as can be heard, he said it in a Spanish accent, so many thought he was Spanish. Oh I couldn't hear that well, so I couldn't even tell the accent. So he's like faking a Spanish accent like Spain. Yeah, you can clearly hear. This is someone with not a real Spanish accent. This is someone like doing a Spanish accent. Like you can tell it's a Mexican accent. So he you know, at some point he instructs someone to cut something he refers to like a piece of plastic. He also says this was built to sacrifice people, not so you can take your little shitty pictures. He alludes to having killed two Koreans like dogs, but like he didn't, he didn't. He's just saying things nonsense. Really, security forces in this case, local police and Mexican National Guard arrived ten minutes into this starting there was him back and forth. The gunman had taken like you know, he was holding up a group of hostages or a group of tourist as hostages. He freed some of them. Then a couple of soldiers and one officer climbed from behind to try and reach the gunman, who was standing on like the second tier of the pyramid, which I called the mezzanine of the pyramid. But once the officers reached him, he climbed up higher through some very steep steps. There was more shots fired between security forces and the gunmen, during which the gunman was shot in the leg and he could be seen limping away in a different video. Then around eleven forty five am, the gunman turned. The gunman himself fired and took his own life. And this is when he was like he was essentially surrounded by the National Guard at that point. But after this security forces approached and searched the backpack the gunman was carrying. In it, there was an AI generated picture of the gunman with Eric Harris and Dylan Clibold. Do you know who these two are? Mass shooters? Yes, the Columbine shooters. M hm yes, A Carmen made a face like h really and so yeah, yeah. So. There was also a tactical knive, a sixty year old point thirty eight revolver, and more than fifty rounds of ammunition, as well as handwritten notes alluding to the Columbine School shooting, also books about Columbine. There was also the gunman's Ine Ina voter Credential right ri ID card for those who don't know what the ENA is that was in his backpack, which then identified the gunman as Julio Cesarjasso Remirez, which the Attorney General of the State of Mexico later confirmed that this was twenty seven year old j Meres. So the attack is still very recent. There's a lot that's unknown. Immediately after it took place, there were a lot of different types of comments going around, comments like these things don't happen in Mexico, which is not true. No, there's been mass shootings before, mass attacks. Yeah, most most of the type of shootings that happened in Mexico up until recently have all been cartel cartel related, and so one attack by a single is not common individual. That's what's not common until recently. But it's okay, But it's not like this is not the first one. I would say, no, because literally a couple I have it in my notes somewhere. But there was the Metro gun. Yeah, shooting of two teachers who were a fifteen year old, not a gun of that kid was like in the military, Mexican military, and that's where he had access to the gun. Yeah, and he killed two teachers. I mentioned it again later, but yeah, that would be like the first of this type. However, like school stabbings or shootings targeting a specific girl in a classroom, that happens, but it's a different type of attack that it is. Yeah, However, this one in Tilti wa Ghan and the Mitua gun shooting I would categorize as the same kind of violent attack as each other. Yeah, yes, okay, So Gloria Scheinbaum not president that she said these kind of things don't happen in Mexico. A lot of people also were repeating that. Others said that it was a xenophobic attack against foreigners. Some said it was an attack specifically because of the things that the president had said about Spain, and that the attacker was mocking the Spanish with his Spanish accent and that's why he did it, which doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Others insinuated that it was a CIA planned attack. I heard that as it was happening at the heels of that car crash where the two CIA agents were killed. Who mind, you should have never been in Mexico the country, right, Yeah, exactly, So I don't blame people for also saying that either. Yeah, and when people these kind of things happen and people don't have answers, like speculation starts, it's it's pretty normal. Yes, And I personally don't agree with like any of those comments because of what I've learned about the gunman, which we'll get into in this episode, which is like the whole reason why I wanted to do this episode, because I saw people say these things don't happen in Mexico, or that it was a CIA plant attack, which like I personally like don't agree with and you'll see why. Yeah, I think I know where this is heading. And I feel like as long as this radicalization of hatred and sexism, misogyny ala el temach continues, then things like this are going to keep happening. M Yeah. So when the Mexican government did a press release concerning the incident, they said that the gunman was a psychopath who was completely disconnected from reality. Specifically, they said he had a psychopathic profile mental health issues as well as having been disconnected from the real world. They also said he was un even though his ine had a Mexico city address. They also stated that he was a copycat who idolized other perpetrators of similar crimes. And yeah, there's a truth in that. I don't think it's a stretch or a lie to say any of that. Although I I don't know, I don't know if he's a psychopath. I don't, I don't. I don't have the classification to like, you know, say someone's a psychopath. I feel like that's a word that people just like throw around. Yeah, I mean, I would yeah, I would argue, though, people that are capable of doing this kind of violence like some you have to be right, obviously, you have to have some kind of disconnect. You have to view people as not humans worthy of life in the first place. Isn't the thing about no? Okay, I guess it used to be common thought that psychopaths were born that way. But I think now when we're realizing that people can be radicalized into this type of not caring about anyone, not having anthy right or or is it like a mix of both, I think it's a mix of both, okay, And I'm not up to dated on the most research, most recent research, I mean, but I've always heard it's it's like a combination of having the right, like genetics for it, predisposition, I should say predisposition for it, and a traumatic upbringing, upbringing where violence is normalized, objectification is normalized like things like that. Okay, that makes sense. That all makes sense, And so that's what the Mexican government released about him, and in the conference they also said that authorities also stated that he was acting alone and that this was premeditated, both of which appeared to be true. So, as I said at first it was stated that he was from Guerrero, and so when the shooting first took place, the World Cup was coming up, and I feel like there was this desire to distance this incident from Mexico City because the World Cup was or Mexico City was a World Cup destination, because they kept repeating and like it was like widely published that he was from Guerrero. So was he not really from Guerreedo. No, So it's been found that he was born in East Ta Calco, which is in you know, the state of Mexico. He was registered in e Ca Tpeg de Morrellos, also in the state of Mexico. From twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen, he lived in a Capulco with his father and attended at co Lejo Simon Bolivar Campus Princess And so I think it appears he was born in the state of Mexico. Yeah, they just don't want him to be associated with Mexico City. Yeah, And there's also sorry I don't say it reminds me too how people always say, oh, there's no serial killers in Mexico, Like that's a think from the United States and that race, like there's like a certain kind of like violence, like Mexico stereotypically like to other people, is known for its violence. Obviously, there has been a lot of violence in Mexico because of the war on drugs, but there's like certain kinds of violence that no one thinks happened in Mexico when it does, right and so yes. Twenty seventeen two twenty eighteen, he attended that school in Acapulco. His classmates there remember him as someone very serious, quiet, with no friends. One of his classmates told nms A, like, I don't know, news room media company. I don't know. It's called similar videos around this familiar. Yeah, I would they have They're like they have a ton of videos. Anyway. They told them that they would joke amongst themselves that he gave quote school shot or vibes. I think I saw actually probably the like the cluse of the school. Yeah, the former schoolmate. Yeah. The same classmate also stated that he the gunman was super racist, classes, xenophobic, fat phobic, homophobic, and transphobic, all the phobics, all the isms. Around twenty nineteen, the gunman lived with his mom sister in Tilapa, a municipality in Guerrero and I don't know how long he lived there. That's a under staying he was from there. Yes, there. His neighbors remember him as a serious person who did not interact with anyone else, which is like outside of the norm of Mexican society. Yeah, because like even if you're just outside walking, people sayhi to each other. It's a very social place, very a very social place. Yeah. Neighbors there also describes him as un joben irakundo, which I had to look up because I was like, what is that? What is that worth? A wrathful person, but I think irritable and angry also covers that was the first wrathful wrath wrath I see, yeah, mm hmm, like easily irritated. Yes. They also described him as rada go with constant fits of rage. Interesting. One neighbor spoke with NMS as well, and that neighbor said, knows, Yeah, he looked at us with a side eye as a darker people, I guess with a side eye. And she's like, and you know, because he was white at a blanco, but if you look at him, he looks like a typical like mex Mexican. Yeah. But because to some when someone's like darker, they'll call anyone lighter white because I think of the social benefits to having like a lighter skin, right of course. Yeah, she also said this neighbor also said Laki, thank god he didn't do anything here, which I'm sure is like a very uh a thought that comes across everyone who then learns who this person was and like interacted with him, you know. Yeah, did his family ever say anything? No, as far as I can tell, they haven't. They I feel that this was not right on part of NM Mass, But NM Mass was like this house right here in is where he lives and where his sister and mom currently live, and they moved here trying to open a business which has not been going well. I'm just like like, out all there, I don't know that I would want to like public, this is where they live right now, you know what I mean, and their business failed, Like that's not necessary, but yeah, especially because why if people go harass them they have nothing like this. The reason I was asking those because I'm like, I wonder, so everyone's describing this person as like angry, loner, eracist, sexist, every possible ist, and I'm like, when did this happen? That's what I would like to know exactly exactly. And yeah, I think that's a question that comes across because nobody is born in that way, right No, or radicalized? Yeah, something happened or raised to be like that, right. Yeah. So the NMAS then the mask went around looking for everyone. Okay, so NMAS someone left unturned, as they say. Really. They also interviewed the gym owner where the gunman worked out. Oh my god, and so the gym owner said the same thing. He was a quiet, reserved person who kept himself. He always came in with a mask on and gloves. But the thing that weirded everyone at the most is that he always wore a swatstick on him on his arm. Oh god. Yeah. And like personally, if someone came into like if I own a gym and someone came into that, I'm really like, yeah, then ye're not coming in. Yeah, Like I'm sorry, but you can't come in out Like yeah, you know so, but no, I guess, uh like weird everyone out. But they didn't say anything. I don't I don't know. Wow. It would seem that in between the gunmen living with his dad and Capulco and then his mom and sister in Guerrero that at some point he lived in Mexico City, and this was the address on his ine. In twenty eighteen, he rented a room in La Colonia Tikoman in Suda de Mexico. He only lived there three months and then he took off, like he didn't even like end the lease. He just like never returned one day. Yeah, And it wasn't until his name was released made public that his former landlord was like, oh my god, it's that guy that who like never like ended his lease and just like disappeared, right yeah, no, no, no, this this one he talked to infobey, oh the other publication that leaves no stone internities, and so yeah, he was like, we didn't really know him. He kept to himself same, the same thing that everybody else, you know, has been saying. And that's like basically all that's like publicly known about him. He was a quiet result of person, and it would seem that he moved around a bit, you know, from being with his dad, then back with his mom and sister, and then at some point in see that in Mexico. So then his social media accounts were found days after the shooting. But first I want to mention the handwritten notes found in the backpack, so in them he wrote about how much the gun cost him. He doesn't say where he got it. Authorities have stated that it was likely like the black market, and that it's very similar to the pistols that police in Mexico use. He spent or it is the same taba gun that police used, but his was like very old, like sixty years damn. And he spent almost forty thousand vessels on it, which is like to was three hundred dollars or so. He also visited Delti Wakan several times before the attack, planning out is yeahm hm. And he had checked into a hotel near the Delti Wakan Pyramids on Sunday and then used a ride sharing app to get to the site for the attack. And the handwritten notes also said that he was guided by quote Una in Spirac del masaya i yiah ordernists the antnales naturales, so that he was inspired from the beyond and that he was following orders from supernatural entities. Okay, so he's just saying stuff. Yeah yeah. In these same notes, he like alluded to having been inspired by a similar attack in the United States in April nineteen ninety, you know, whenever Columbine, So he doesn't name Columbine, but what other attack happened? So this was the note said that. They said other things that haven't been made public because the investigation is still ongoing. So that's the only stuff that was made public from those handwritten notes and after the attack occurred. I don't remember if a listener send me this video or if I came across at first, but there was a real on Instagram that had one hundred and thirty five thousand views almost ten thousand likes. This one was in Spanish and by a Mexican creator, but I've seen similar videos from Mexican American creators on TikTok so that are saying similar things, but this specific one in Spanish. They started out their video by showing a banner that someone had made. That banner reads Lacia realisa experimentosos para seeing Gelo's de mass by para manipulara mundo and in English, the CIA conducts experiments on humans to communicate with the brain. They do this without other countries finding out, in order to manipulate the world. This banner was put somewhere public in Guljakan Saloa, and so she she shows that video and she says like this, some people believe this banner and what happened in Theo di Wakan are related, is what she says. And that's because the people are theorizing that the gunman was subjected to mk Ultra and then he was like activated to do this. Okay, is that what they call sleeper cells? Yeah, and yeah, Mkultra was real. What is known about it is that it was like ultimately like a failed, very failed thing. They were never able to do what they wanted to do with m Kiltra and they basically just like Georgi people. I've said this before, but Horror Story has a really good episode about MKTRA And I know it's really good because I wrote it and I fucking read two books for that shit. Mm hm. Anyway, yeah, MKTRA part of it is real, but you know, people kind of go off the rails with like yeah, it's one of those things that is so off the charts or whatever, like as in like and it's crazy, so like off the hook like wild that people really run wild with like worst versions of it, like they really let their imagination go wild. The same thing with the the whole syntantic panic m and pizzagate, right, like all these theories instead of just accepting that child thebase is real, like you have to say people are stealing there a genochrome like that type thing goes on right, right, And like mk Ultra on its own is already pretty horrible. We don't need to add extra things to it because it already was really horrible. And the things they tried to do, they were just like they didn't make happen. There was no way to do any of those things that they thought they could control a brain, sleeper cells, right, like all of those things. So that's what they're saying. And like, while I love a conspiracy theory, like I believe that the truth is in reality like scary enough, you know, pretty scary already, And honestly, it would appear that the truth could be somewhere in the middle of all these possibilities because this type of shooting where it's like alone alone, person who's angry, hateful, has all the isms like racism, like everything, you know, they enact these type of violent things, and usually these violent acts aren't inspired by the US, right, so like you know, the people theorizing the CAA is behind this, The CIA doesn't need to be behind it. These people aren't inspired by perpetrators in the US already, you know what I mean. And so this type of US school shooter inspired attack has been like growing outside of the US, especially in the past decade. Yeah, and like what I mean by this is like what people have historically referred to as the Columbine effect. It's like now no longer like the Columbine effect. It's more like a nihilistic violent shooting because they don't even just do it at schools anymore. Right, attacks like these have been growing in the global South, Like it's not just a Western thing anymore. Just recently, like a month before that, they will dig Wakan shooting a fifteen year old boy in Meachwakhan took an ar fifteen to his high school open fire, killed two teachers. And these two shootings share similarities mainly loving Adolf Hitler and the idolization of the Columbine shooters. Yeah, that very specific type of online radicalization four changization. Although so now I hear there's like different worst places. If you didn't think you could it worse telegram, Yeah, discord. In Turkey, there were two school shootings in April of this year, back to back, like literally one day than the next day, two separate incidents by a nineteen year old and a thirteen year old. In Italy, an eleven year old attempted a similar attack but with a knife and to life stream it wow eleven yeah. Yeah, and these are all outside of the US. Yeah, And so while like it is true that these kinds of things historically don't happen in Mexico, two happen almost almost back to back, like one month than the next month, you know, the Metua gun shooting and then the Theo t Wa gun shooting. Like these are not you know, the typical cartel violence or like a man like a femicide, right, these are individuals trying to cause mass terror. And yeah again like Turkey, Italy, Indonesia, India, Like it's just it's growing and that's that scary. Yeah. So those are just some examples of this type of violence, very specific type of violence. But back to the Teoti Wakan incident. Based on the AI generated picture that the shooter had of himself with the Columbine shooters plus the shirt that he had on underneath his plaid shirt. It's like, we can tell he had a fascination with the Columbine shooters. Otherwise, like why would he have all these books? And these people always do the same thing where they like, they do their violent act and they leave behind things celebrating a former attack of similar, similar type of attack. He also seemed to have planned the attack on the anniversary of Columbine April twentieth, yet another factor here showing his fascination admiration. And then on top of that Columbine And I think, like this was missed for so long and now it's like people know, but Columbine how specifically chosen? Oh go ahead, yes, but I think you're going to say the same thing. It was chosen to be Able twenty because that's Adolf Hitler's birthday and the Columbine shooters ized Hitler. Yeah they were, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know when that info. I'm sure it was around back then. I'm not sure. Actually, I don't know how this was reported because that was a we're being life or we're wevebet's, we're very vebe's. I think, well, let me tell a check what I think it's ninety one though, ninety ninety one, so one of those two. Yeah, oh ninety nine, Oh my god. It was way after the okay, never mind. Anyway, we were kids, so obviously we didn't know how this was reported on publicized. I know. The only thing I know after the fact was how there was this narrative going around that these kids were victims of bully and that's why they acted out in this manner lo and behold. No, they were just assholes who thought they were better than everybody else. They were racists, edged lords as well, edge lord racists, losers who were mean to be the people around them. And other than that coming out later, I didn't know until very recently, probably like maybe two years ago, about their idolization of Hitler and the Nazis. Yeah, so I don't know when that started being posized. I think I learned about it recently as well, well, within the past two years, and that that's why they had chosen that day. Yeah. And so this already is another thing that the Mitua gun shooting that the fifteen year old killed those two teachers, and this de Wa gun shooting have in common. Hitler Nazis Columbine admiration. All of them like, and most of these type of attacks share all of that in common. Yeah, they all idolize Nazis, the Columbine shooters, mass shooters before them, mm hmm, yeah, among other fascist ideologies. On top of that, after Columbine happened, there was a rise in like a fandom of the two shooters of Columbine. They had a name, Columbiner's No. I don't think I know about this. Yeah. It began as like women, young women, teens, young teens and young women like idolizing like like a fandom, but for these two are you serious? M hm? And then it kind of morphed and grew into the TCC. Have you heard of the TCC? I don't. I don't think so. Okay, this is true crime community. Oh but it's not like listening to a true crime podcast, Like that's not what it is. It is being a fan of murderers. What is this? It is a community that obsesses over high profile killers, and then members of this community larp those acts of violence so they'll like they'll dress themselves in the clothing god these type of shooters had and and they like like it began with those two of Columbine. But now like they analyze and I don't know these people's names because like, you know, fuck these violent like creeps. Only when I know it's Elliot Rodgers, Elliott, okay, Elliot's something, Dylan Roof, I think Dylan something, he's the yeah he all these people, yeah, yeah they they I don't know these people, and they like they they create like you know how one like there's a fandom for Taylor Swift and people will collect all the lore they possibly can about hurt. They do this but for these high profile killers, and so they'll like collect everything possible when existence about them. They wear what they would wear. They'll go to a spot where these people took a selfie and then they will take a picture there the fuck it's it's insane, honestly, like like I don't I don't understand it. No, And so like normally they value the esthetics of the attacks, but they don't do them. They like just like larp Okay, these so weird. But I guess technically physically harmless, although argue it is emotionally harmful, yes, why would argue the same. And then of that group, there's there are those who go on to copy the attacks. Okay, like the copycats who then acknowledge those who came before them in their own attacks and manifest those and go on and so on. So do the copycat killers masshooters start in these TCC communities, They would seem that way. So the gunman in delty Waghan, he wore a shirt with the words disconnect and self destruct. The these are lyrics from a song and I'm so sorry but I forgot to write down the song name, but these specific lyrics from that song have been associated with Columbine through the TCC and before that, the Columbiners the predecessors of the True Crime Community aka TCC, and they like you know, they'll post like like things on Tumblr idolizing them with these song lyrics. And now that TikTok's around literal TikTok edits and the way that people do them with like actors. But of these killers with this song, oh my god, using this song. And so that's yet another thing that points to the gunman in toti Wacan having been radicalized in this way. Because yeah, that's yet another like like a simple and it's nihilistic violence when you like search nihilistic violence like this. Two groups come up, the TCC, which I know I already meant learn a little bit about, and most of the time people young, confused, angry people. Only angry people find the TCC first, and then they join other groups like No Lives Matter, the Terrorgram Collective seven six y four. Some of these are more organized, like No Lives Matter and seven sixty four, but they all share neo Nazi aesthetics anti social behavior. This is from one of the sources like linked below in the show notes. But let me read you this about No Lives Matter and like already you see that name, and like I see that name, and I'm like, really, no lives matter? Like I don't, it's like nihilistic, nihilistic. I don't know how to pronounce that. I've been saying nihilistic. Oh I think that's right. Well, I hope so, because I've been saying it so much. That sounds right. Yeah, Okay. This group's core belief is misanthropy. In an LM leader begins in undated publication entitled Evil Has No Limits but the discussion of misanthropy and the phrase kill or be killed no lives Matter. He goes on to describe himself as motivated by nihilism and pure hatred. Other publications produced by the group, including the Manhunt Guide and the No Lives Matter Kill Guide, provide tactical guidance and encourage violence without any ideological justifications. Group members also promote antisocial behavior, stating societal centers should not exist and telling prospective members that they are recruiting true misanthropic individuals. Is that what that means? Misanthropic? Do you want to look up misanthropy? Yeah, let me see, Oh it as a misanthrope as a person who dislike, distrusts, or avoids human kind and human society. Okay, okay, yeah, so that's what that is. The TCC, from my understanding, is like the beginning before more radicalized individuals then move on to No Lives Matter and other groups. The TCC has disavowed the reputation that they have of harboring psychopaths, school shooters, and neo Nazis, but some other members have also like embraced that. So wow. I will also add that in cell ideology and the growing manisphere are part of the same pipeline. You know, sometimes through workout videos, a young person will find you know, like a workout video, and then solely they'll get like in sell something that's like insul ideology. Then like that goes into like TCC all people, I Hate all people idealizing like a violent individual who also hates all people. Two. Then like more and more until you get to like, you know, no lives matter seven six four. There's like a couple others that I'm like forgetting who all do the same thing. This, this is a pipeline and this intel ideology has been growing in places that has not has not been seen, has not seen content like that before. Yeah, starting with who you mentioned at the top of the episode at the match, at the match in Mexico, who is a fell l actor from La Not from La. He's from Mexico, but he moved to La in his early twenties to try to make it in Hollywood. He was like an extra and has minor roles in some shows, but he didn't make it. He went back to Mexico started making online social media content. I think he started off with like fitness and then started copying, and he says in his own videos he started cap being agritate and his messages and then that's when he blow up, of course, and it's it. This is how it starts. And then they get to like these type of groups, and not everyone that finds these groups, yeah, are gonna do like something, you know. But but there is a not even an undercurrent, an overt sexist and racist messaging behind a lot of this content. Yes, exactly, exactly. Actually, let me finish my notes and then I'll like adut on what else I was going to say about this. Okay, So back to the Teoti Wacan gunman. And I'm not saying his name because, like I said it once and that's the people want to be famous, yeaight, and so I'm not repeating his name. So in the days after the shooting, journalists found his social media accounts. There were two Twitter accounts, one dating back to twenty thirteen, in which the bio reads escrito ecologuista, artista die vegano lector little Monster Gaga, fan amante deos Mamma lata a, Lady Gaga, Futuro Scientifico. It's a lot in English, writer, composer, ecologists, artists, vegan lecture, little Monster God lover Mama Earth and Lady Gaga Future Scientists. That's what his bio said, and in this twenty thirteen Twitter account he only really posted about Lady Gaga. Oh okay, there's also this weird people who run like fandom accounts are. I don't want to say it's a straight up pipeline, it's this kind of stuff either, but I would say not subject to what is the term I think? I think there? Damn, I just thought of the word maybe susceptible too, susceptible that kind of content, because there's already this extremism involved in being obsessed, like an obsessed fan, right, being part of a fandom and running like fandom pages like that's an extreme version of being a regular fan, right, and being involved in these other kind of like manisphere type content is similar. Like it's an extreme Yes, I would agree with you on that for sure. By twenty fifteen, this account was no longer active, like at all, like it had been long inactive, and in twenty sixteen he made a new account. This one seems to be like the complete opposite of his last one. His PfP is a Nazi salute. His location is said to said, yeah, Spain. He also had three flags in the you know, like banner or header that you have on profiles. These three flags represent El Carlismo or carlism I la cruze Borg or the Cross of Burgundy. And I was like, what are these things? Because I don't know, Okay, I was just an ask. So both have been adopted by the far right in Spain. Carlism is a traditionalist and legitimates political This is from Wikipedia. Carlism is a traditionalist and legitimates political movement aimed at establishing an alternative branch of the Bourbon dynasty, descending from Don Carlos, Count of Molina, the second surviving son of Carlos the fourth. So like a monarchist okay, yeah, it adheres to traditionalists conservatism, convert conservatism. Am I saying that weird? At first it say sounded like you said convertism. Okay, traditionalist conservatism, conservatism. Okay, now you're doing the California team for everything else. It doesn't work. No, you're right, it a hears to It adheres to traditionalist conservatism. It was last big during the Spanish Did I write Spanish American War, Spanish American War? I guess yeah, Spanish American War and Carlism. They used the Cross of Burgundy which is like this big red X. Oh, like a white flag and then a big red X across it. But they have like traditionalist values. They were anti Marxist. Now I'm wondering if I wrote the Spanish American War and it was supposed to be the Spanish Civil War, that would make sense, that would make more sense. It might be that one. I could be wrong. I'm sorry, but I'm not going back to go don't checking at this point. I'm not double checking out this point. But but it's like only the right wing now in Spain talk about this. Oh okay, they've adopted this flat for themselves. Yeah, yes, yes, exactly. And he he also posted we had posts out their posts praising Hitler, Mussolini and Franco all the fascists, yes, the big three. Mm hmm. His YouTube was also found and one comment stood out. He left it on a video titled extreme Tough Beer Shave, Slow and Careful a SMR what the fuck by Italian barber Danielle mau Yu, and so his comment in that video he wrote, guero estube and amoralo de ti medcordato at Dick Grayson. Sorry I didn't check who that was OUI Mexico, Serrato Columbine act too. Oh my god, Jose protest loco porti membas and gasa momento respeto. Yeah, but he wrote, so I'm reading it as it was raising. It's saying, it's a comic book character. Interesting night Wing. Oh okay, okay, so like comic people, comic book people, you'll know who that is. It's just like DC Marvel. Do we know teen Titans? Teen Titans? Huh somebody? All right, well that's what he said he reminded him of. Anyway, where was I Robin after he outgrows the Robin identity? Oh my god, I had no I know. Wow, learning something new today? Okay, well won't you look at that? Let me go back to this quote. Barbero it professional kelos, Dioces, Deben, Digan, Miquelo, Danielle Mauyu. First time. I'm sure he meant gala momento, but he broadcast us. So I read it as it was written. Let me translate that, and then I want to point something out from what he wrote. Okay, all thoughts okay, So in English, I want to tell you that I was always in love with you. You remind me so much of Dick Grayson. Today, Mixico will be attacked by Columbine Act two. I will be the protagonist at Del di Wakan. Know that I was always crazy about you. You fascinated me on every moment, and I respect you as an individual, a barber and a professional. May the Gods always bless you, My dear Danielle Mawuyu. Do you want to share your thoughts first on that comment? Know your first? Okay? So what stood out to me the most? And you wouldn't know it if you weren't looking at the written comment, the typed out comment. But what set out to me was a spelling of Mexico with a J and not an X. Oh that's very intentional. That is very intentional, and it may seem like nothing. But have we ever talked about this before? I don't think so. Okay, at least not on here, but maybe on Estoria isn't known. I don't even think we talked about it there for okay, somehow I know about this, but go ahead, okay, Well, if we recall from like a couple months ago at most, there was that right wing Spanish politician who was invited to Mexico by that governor when she was invited, they like did this celebration for ernand Cortes. It was like a whole deal. I'm sure like everybody knows about it by now. Yeah, this Spanish politician talked about how the proper spelling of Mexico is with a J, because that is how the Spanish spelled it Mexico. On the other hand, since they're independence, they have embraced the X because this is like the non Spanish spelling. It is indigenous and nature, the uix and let's know quickly, of course they were slaughtering all the indigenous people they could and taking their lands, but yeah, they also wanted to claim the indigenous ancestry. They needed to create their own identity outside of the Spanish, which is where the Messico comes in. Yeah, long story, long story that we're going to keep short for the purposes of this episode because we're like already at an hour hour round. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But Mexico intentionally distanced themselves from the way the Spanish spelled Mexico. They spelled with a J, and so now today if you are spelling it with a J and you're not Spanish, it's a what do they call it whistle. Yeah, like a dog whistle. Yes, thank you, it's a dog whistle. And this made me think because this individual he spoke in that video in a Spanish accent. Yeah, his set, his location in his Twitter bio was Spain. He wants to be the colonizer, not the colonized. He wants to be Spanish, right, he he has identified with the Spanish. Yeah, and it goes along with everything we've been saying in this episode, right. And this reminded me because when I saw that intentional spelling of Mexico, right, it just like solidified his that he wants to be Spanish, that he believes, you know, in that ideology white supremacy so on. So this made me think of the recent mosque shooting in San Diego. One of the shooters was named Caleb Basquez. Yeah, and in his little manifesto where he and his dumb, little fucking partner, they had a little about me sections. Because everything's a joke to these people, on top of everything is it's a nihilism. Yeah, and it's like I'm not doing this, I'm a character and this is happening kind of attitude because they know that they will be then added to this whole communities. Yeah, and they even include their like social media handles so that people can find the community will go looking exactly exactly and so which is why we try not to say their names too much. Yeah, but he wrote in his about me section, they also put like memes this this has another turn this whole very serious while doing the most heinous fucking acts exactly, and that is in line with the nihilistic violence that we're speaking of in this entire episode. So in his bio bio, in his about me section, he wrote that he was quote half Spanish and some French and some Northern Mexican, which would make me about seventy to eighty five percent of European genetic descent end quote. You see how they like always try and go to the Spanish side first, Like, yeah, so that's what I wanted to point out. Find me Sorry, kind of a side tagent, But in over Isaias Unknown our history podcasts for anyone that doesn't know, when we talked about the bar patrol, and we talked about Pete Torres, one of the first Mexican American border Patrol agents, who was like, I'm not Mexican, I'm Spain. Heard I'm Spanish. Don't call me a Mexican or I'll shoot you and mind you. These people, some people in I think they were in New Mexico, are Spanish origin, like from Spain, descended from people from Spain. But by that point there was not that much original like people from Spain anymore. Like they were mythic. So they were Mexicans, they just don't want to admit it. Yeah, and so that's what this made me think of when I saw that and his comment. Yeah, was there anything else you were going to add about his comment? Well, the internalized homophobia stuck out to me because we know he was these all these isms, right, Like, I don't know if you outright found anything homophobic of his, but we can assume based on everything else. And that classmate who said he was homophobic. Oh, I forgot about that already, that's right. Yeah, that was at the beginning an hour ago. That was a long time ago. My brain was somewhere else. Yeah, so he was homophobic, but he over here he's saying like I love you to this male YouTuber. Yeah. Yeah, and now that he has committed this violent act, and he probably knew that he was going to end his life, do we Yeah, he could admit to this YouTuber how he felt, but he couldn't do it before. And it's like internalized homophobia, but homophobia. But also this was a mesty soft person, right he was not really a white Mexican, not really, No, he wasn't. So there's that internalized racism as well, that that want to be white European h And that's really everything I have on Dirty Wakhan and the gunment of Dilty Wakan. But before we end this episode, I wanted to add something about these nihilistic communities who and then you know, the shooters of these communities who do end up doing like these very violent things and are the rights and are on the rise? Yeah, and this type of thing is on the rise exactly. It's it's scary. They target very specific people who you know, we already said they're lonely, they might be angry. They also like adopt this I don't know. And it's like it's a rough world right now, right like you know, we're seeing the literal genocide uh in Palestine. We're you know, like this per in Mexico has had grown up with the cartel violence that have also been on the rise. Here in the US, school shootings are on the rise, jobs are there's no prospects for jobs, things are bleak. To say, these are bleak, right, And so instead of I don't know, remaining hopeful, they they, I don't know, deep dive into into this nihilistic viewpoint and they and they, I don't know how much I believe this, but like a lot of like media already says gen Z in general is kind of nihilistic, right, yeah, at least here in the US they say that already. And so then you find, you know, these nihilistic communities, and I would assume it work. Since is there another term for like accelerationalists or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, accellent, Yeah, that's what it is. Accelerationism. They use like the most like hateful terms. There's a reason that's mostly like men and who are more susceptible to this, Like like here's like a type of I feel like all teen boys kind of fall into this where they like who can say the craziest thing, who can get the most negative attention, like not everybody, but a big part of them. And then like like edge lordism, right, reactionism, edge lordism, like that's like gonna undo us all if things don't change. And I don't know what the answers are to me. I think like maybe touching grass and community. But the truth is that a lot of these people are also like in very not good home situations. They have found uh, accepting and belonging, belonging, acceptance and belonging Yes, in a computer m h. And you know there's only at some point I feel like it's it's like hard to move someone away from that. Yeah, I think. I think it has to start. The prevention has to start way before you even think this could be a problem. Yeah, way before they have the opportunity to isolate themselves and get into these worlds. I'll tell you what. It's difficult to get into these kind of worlds when the only computer in the home is the living room. Yes, yes, that is true. I think that parents are overworked because of capitalism. Some people are some parents are straight up neglectful or whatever. But everyone's listened to it not to sound like what's his name that I can't stand because he's full of shit. The author who writes about the phones all the time, the anxious generation, the author that guy, I think he's a zignist, by the way, I think I heard that. No, yeah, yeah, y, it's right, like pretty yeah, I'm pretty sure it's like not hidden. Yeah, anyway, that guy. I don't agree with him. I don't support his views, but I think there is a lot to be said where people are on their phones more than they're spending time with each other, especially people in the same house as in family, and these connections and like social skills and whatnot. They're learned first in the home, not to be like family for his home firstly kind of person. But it starts. It starts at the home, sadly, unfortunately, I'm sorry parents, it does anyway, yeah, yeah, and like and I don't know, just to add, like one more thing, this Delty Wakhan shooter, you could tell at some point between twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen was the radicals. Something happened there because he was a Lady Gaga fan identifying as Little Monster and then two three years later Nazi. Yeah what happened exactly. So yeah, just I don't know. I'm sorry for this pressing episode because this type of radicalization seems to be on the rise, and it is at the root of this shooting and the one in Meet Guy. Actually, now that you're mentioning that, I have a recommendation. BBC has a documentary on YouTube. I don't remember what's called. I'm sure you'll find it if you just put BBC Manisphere documentary, Oh, it'll pop up. But it's about the international Manisphere, right, because the Manisphere initially is like a Western conception and now it's spread to the global seulth like you mentioned, and so they focused on I think it's just too right influencers. Which one is at the match we were talking about today, and then the other one is a gentleman from Oh my god, where is he from? I was just gonna say it, and I forgot, like an African country? Now, yes, it's a country in Africa. I just don't remember which one. It kind of boged me that because Nigeria is it? I don't remember. But it's because like we were so used to see in Africa that I like have a hard time memorizing what countries. There's so many countries. I know, I know there is, so anyway, it's a country in Africa, and it's about them and their fans and how they basically write off everything like anything concerning They're like, oh, I'm just questioning things like what your rogan does. Yeah, I'm just asking questions. And all their topics have to do with women being fucking whoores and hating women and oh yeah, you can beat up a women because they should be submitting to you anyway, kind of kind of content, and then they try to like make excuses. So anyway, it's about the minister spreading to the goal South, and it's these kind of things are going to keep happening if this kind of content continues too. Yeah. Yeah, And I know we say this so much, especially in March during all of our femicide episodes. Yeah, but it truly, truly is so important for everyone first to like, I have empathy for all, but especially like women and like feminism, because if everyone was a feminist, these things weren't happen. Yeah, if if people with women and girls in their lives, which is everybody just accepted realized that we are equals. Sure, equals, not in every sense of the word, because nobody is equal to anyone in every sense, you know what I mean, But we are deserving of the same rights, of actual rights, and no one is deserving of control and violence in their their lives, especially not because of their gender. And yet machismo is so normal, so female based violence is so normal, and the control of women and girls and boys children in general is so normalized and controlled. And if that kind of environment did already exists, then the manisphere would not be able to flourish the way it has. Yeah, and then you know, again, it's a pipeline. So the manusphere kind of flourish, and then in that way, this nihilistic way of being, these other TCC creepy, insane communities also don't flourish. The hatred in them and all that, like, you know, so, oh and sorry before are we done with this? Sure? Yeah, okay, unless we go not about that, not about that. I think we kind of touched everything. I did want to say, though, is there anything bringing you joy? Because I feel like we need that. Oh God, this has been like one of the worst weeks for me, So my book club has been bringing me joy. It's supposed to be a secret, and you're right, I'm adding it to everybody. I'll make sure to tell my book club. We didn't name it secret Society of something anyway. We just finished a rom com what's it called a funny Story by Emily Henry and it was. It was just such a lighthearted book. And I after I have been reading like a bunch of heavy stuff plus all the heavy stuff in the world in my life. It was a good, good break. So us getting together, going to bookstores and talking about the book has brought me a lot of joy. Also, I finally went on a run after a long time, like two three weeks. I love that for you, So yeah, what about you? Nice? Well for me. Let me preface this by saying, I know the World Cup is problematic. Historically it always has been just give all the caveats. Yeah, no, really, it has been used to prop up dictatorships, legitimized dictorship. And also things are bad in the host countries, the US included, right, like the treatment of certain teams ice, all that in the US, workers striking because of like unfair pay at like hotels for World Cup visitors, right, you know, all that kind of stuff in the US. Obviously, the madre, the treatment of the madres in Mexico. The teacher strike is also happening in Mexico, and like all these things are wrong, right, But the game itself has always brought me joy. It's always been a source of, like I don't know, joy for me. When we were kids and our first visit to Mexico, our grandpa took us to an Atlas Achieves game and he was so proud of me because I love Atlas and we had at Me and my other or other cousin who also is the only other one who roots for Atlas and always has no one, No one in the family except Alito. You and Christian, our cousin, were Adlas fans. Everyone else is America. He took us to the game. You and Louise were wearing America and Chivas jersey. Yeah, because I have always so I don't watch soccer anymore, but when I did, I was an America fan. I think because I just copied our mom, Yeah, because she was an America fan. And then our brother copied our uncle and that's why he's a Chievas fan. Yeah. Yeah, And so that's like one of my most fond earliest memories, Yeah, being there with him during that game. And then sometimes during visits in Mexico, there'll be a game on and just like like a national game, like the national team and we'd watch it together. Like I remember one specific game after the earthquake, and so like when when the game was happening and they like they had like a moment of silence or something because of the earthquake that had just happened, and it was like dead quiet in that stadium, and just like I turned to was like because he just like instead of trying trying not to cry, he would start coughing, yeah, in an effort to not cry. He would just cough. Yeah. And then like when he was already sick, at Last, at Last won the championship, which they had not won in like decades years, like so long. It was like a curse at this point that people referred to it as a curse that we're just like could not win. And they won, and he witnessed it, and we weren't visiting when that happened, but we saw videos and he's like he's full on teers, him and her cousin who the class fans, and I'm just like watching them because the window was at home. Yeah, my own tears crying and so yeah, just like earliest memories, it was soccer and your core memories, as they say, yeah, so yeah, the game itself, and then like I wasn't want to be soccer player for years, like I was, I thought I was good. I really wasn't, but I thought I was amazing. So yeah, it's like it's a it's a beautiful game. It's the game of the people, you know, a game for the people, whatever the saying is. And so every World Cup, I'm just like I'm obsessed with everything. I still remember, as you can see from Ystoia as a known that we've been posting every World Cup. I like, I remember, like all you who remembers this game or this or that whatever. And so I took my children to go see last week's game. At the time of recording last week's game, Mexico versus South Africa at like a fan center because you know, Seattle's a host city and so they have like all these fan zones, and so we went to watch it at the Seattle Center. It was packed with the Mexicans. We were just cheering for Mexico. It was it was just beautiful to be among our people cheering on the national team. Had three the children, they were like standing on chairs and they were like Mexico, Mexico. It was it was adorable. And I've been just watching all the games. It's been pretty fun just watching Like like I I they were holding it down in their first game this World Cup and they hadn't been to a World Cup in years, so that was like pretty cool to see that forty year old goalkeeper from Gurasao. Also, like, it's just like been like very fun to see different moments of Belgium and Egypt. That was a fun game to watch, Like I just like, I love watching these games. I'm very excited for South Korea versus Mexico this Thursday. I'm gonna go watch it at another Seattle Center, Seattle Center, another fan zone. I planned to be there like two hours early to get some good seats. I mean that one sounds like it's gonna be good. That's gonna be good. And that's another one of my favorite moments World Cup moments, the love between South Korea and Mexico go, which dates back to that twenty eighteen World Cup. We made a video about it ani Storia as our known So I won't go on or not, but that's what's been bringing me joy, amazing, amazing. I've also been enjoying all the content videos I've been seeing about the World Cup, yours included you're coming and maybe laugh for I make crying okay, and we'll end on that note. Community remember, community, Hope, Ope, ope, core all right, Bye Bye. As Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen, and with the help of Don Shout out with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably, gonna say five star review, we would really appreciate it. If you don't want to the five star review, just don't leave a review. But don't leave anything lower than that, please, I'm just kidding. 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