UFOs in the Skies- Listener Stories with Chaz of the Dead

Hi everyone, This is Christina and today there's no MJ. She ditched me. I don't know what she's doing. I guess better things on a lovely Sunday than recording with me. I don't know what could be better. Anyway, I have a lovely guest today, chats you want to tell the spooky's high and a little bit about yourself and so on. Hey, thanks for having me on. And I can't imagine anything better than talking about UFOs on a Sunday. Right. Yeah, I'm Chaz a k Chas of the Dead. You can find me on all the social media's at that handle. And yeah, I'm a paranormal investigator, sometimes author, sometimes psycho not. I do most of my writing for Paranormality magazine, and I love researching all things of paranormal, whether it's ghosts, supicabras, UFOs, everything in between. And so yeah, I'm happy to be on and to share one of my weirdest experiences with you. I'm so excited to hear it. Don't remember if I said it. I probably didn't, but we're talking about UFOs today. So that's why Chatz is here. Because I was like, who has a UFO story? And he was like, oh, I do, and then I was like, do tell, and then we set this up and that's how that happened. So we're here. Yeah, I've got a weird one and I'm excited to share. So thanks for having me on. So I have like three that were sent in by listeners. I did. I don't have you checked out threads? Oh you are on there. I have to say if I'm following you, I don't know if I am. Well, I think if automatically follows whoever you have on Instagram, all your Instagram friends. I think I don't know. Okay, I think I've looked at it a couple of times. Me too, me too, and then I'm like whatever, then I get back out. So I haven't used it in a little bit. But the other day I was like, send you year UFO stories and I'll get a UFO tattoo. But I was already planning on. But yeah, but you know what, I have it. So I did it for you guys because you guys sent me in your stories. No, I was already gonna get it. It's so tiny. It's cute though. Here, let me let me see if you can see it. Oh, that's great. Yeah, Yeah, I'm so excited. There was a there was a shop in town that was doing a flash day and one of the sheets had a tiny litteryo funnels Like I'm going, I waited in line for like three hours worth it. That's awesome, very cool. Yeah, yeah, I know UFOs are something I think I do all the paranormal stuff, but UFOs I think takes the bulk of my time these days, just because it's you know, everyone's talking about it. There's constantly new information, new sightings. Yeah, as the technology has gotten better, people are seeing these things for man, and so it's it's something that requires constant re examination. Yeah. Did you hear that weird story that came out of Vegas, Like I was like a month ago. I think it was like the tall reptilian aliens. Yeah. Yeah, there was some like some people that saw them in their backyard and then they called the police and the police win and you can hear them get there, like and their body counts and they're like, my partners saw like something weird. Like you can hear them saying that in their whatever police videos, And I was like, creepy, but I haven't seen anything else about it. But I guess the guy or the lawyer for the families asking people not to trespass, because I guess people have been trespassing for sure. That happens no matter what. And fellow paranormal enthusiasts out there, don't be that guy. Come on, you know, please write an email and if they don't write you back, or if they write you back and they don't want you there, go away, don't show up. You know, they'll be that guy. Yeah, but yeah, I actually do find those cases somewhat more intriguing. I know a lot of people, especially who aren't two into UFOs. They're more interested in like the government whistleblowers and that kind of stuff. And I've been in it for a while and that stuff doesn't really do anything where I'm like, I don't trust those those guys as far as I can throw them. But you say you saw an alien, now, like, let me yeah a little more about that. Now that being said, I do sit kind of on the fence on the UFO issue. I think it depends on how I wake up in the morning, whether I think it's it's aliens or extra dimensional entities or whatever, or if it's government misinformation mixed with secret planes, and yeah, I tend to think maybe it's it's somewhere in the middle. That being said, my personal UFO experience is very high strangeness and weird. Okay, I'm so excited, so yeah, I'll just dive on into it. So, as the Moniker suggests, Chas of the Dead, I started in much more of a like ghost hunting background. You know. I was like a pre teen watching ghost Adventures and my parents very supportive. They were like, here's a Wuiji board and order. They're like, go for it. Whatever you're obvious, here's your EVP recorder. So that kind of like led me down that route, and it was I was doing that for for quite a while, you know, as a hobbyist enthusiast, and I had found it fun but kind of you know, unsatisfying anyone who's watched the shows, and no one knows what I mean. You know, there's never a ghost like in a jar, you know, never that smoking gun proof. There's some weird things here and there, and otherwise it's kind of just an excuse to hang out with your buddies and at night and a spooky place. But as as many South Florida youth into my teen years, I was exposed to some psychedelic substances. Wow. You know, some people were like, oh, this is great, let's go to you know, raves and and take a bunch of this. I was like, no, no, no, we need to go ghost hunting. I immediately, I immediately saw the application of these psychedelics and you know, a paranormal framework. And of course there's despite you know, colonialism's best efforts, there are remnants of that, that shamanistic tradition throughout the world, particularly in the Americas and in Africa, where these substances are ritually used to communicate with entities, you know, wherever. Those entities called various names, but it's you know that that same motif exists. Oh, not to interrupt you, but I'm doing it right now anyway. But did the kids I went missing in the Amazon, the the indigenous like spiritual leaders that helped find them, did take I think it was, yes, to communicate with spirits or with entities. So it just applies to exactly what you just said, works man, I'm telling you, yeah, I really I feel like what what existed here, especially in South America, was more of a science, right we And it's It's kind of interesting because you see the duality through historians. They look at the shaman as one, as this healer, as the doctor, as the medicine man of the village, and clearly he understands how to heal and remedies and various plant potions and things like that, and then they do these psychedelic stuff, and that's religion, that's the religious aspect of the shamanism. You know, we kind of write that off with, Oh, it's you know, they're weird, they're taking drugs and being weird. When an actuality, you know, those shamans communicated very clearly. No, it's it's all the same thing. I'm communicating with nature. I'm communing with This is a science, and we kind of wrote off a large portion of that science. We cherry picked some stuff to make pharmaceuticals, but other than that, we wrote off the largest, you know, and portion of that and essentially eliminated those practitioners, the people who understood that. So unfortunately, we're kind of left at the few paranormal investigators out there taking this this psychedelic strategy. We're kind of left in the dark, kind of trying to piece back together what I firmly believe a thousand years ago, if you were here in the Americas, they'd be like, oh, no, this is how it works. They would be able to explain it to me, and I'll be like, oh, that makes sense if I could speak you know, shoshono or whatever. Despite being left in the dark, it's still fun taking the shots, so I did. I started to develop using psychedelics in this you know, paranormal landscape, and that is about when the UFOs started showing up in my research. WHOA okay? And so it was specifically with a experiment I was doing with magic mushroom teas and the Luigi board. I was doing these seances and doing different blends of teas and you know, adding some some slight opium leaves with this one. And I was trying all kinds of different blends based on some very sketchy research I do not recommend. There were some of them that had some negative health effects, but paranormally, I was like, I'm onto something. I'm like working towards something here. Unfortunately, during the seances though, nothing would happen, right, you know everyone, it sounds like that's like the way to get possessed, right, Taking mushrooms, right, I wish I got nothing. I was just hanging out looking at a piece of cardboard, essentially waiting for some plastic to move. There were some weird things here or there, but nothing outside of the realm of being on psychedelics. You know. It was more emotional waves. Nothing that was not uncommon for you know, being real high. But it was the times in between the experiments and the days after, and I would do these, you know, every other weekend or so, and so in these these spans in between, I started to see UFOs, particularly around sunset. And the first couple of ones they were just you know, weird objects and they kind of darted off, and I was like, oh, maybe maybe that's nothing, you know whatever. I wrote it off. The one that I was like, okay, that was definitely something. It was. I was watching there were planes in the sky, you know, blinking, and there was this one that was a consistent light. Sun's going down, it's hitting it orange glow, you know, nice Florida sunset, and this objects suddenly almost explodes in a weird way. It bursts into several smaller like spheres and they scatter off in different directions, and I was like, oh wow, I was gobsmack, and it was it almost looked like you know in Star Wars when a spaceship crashes to the planet and it blows up into like a bunch of pieces and scatters, and you know, we're in Florida. So I thought maybe it was a messed up rocket launch or something re entering. But I went through all the scientific news. No one, no one saw it. No one I was reported it. There were some weird sphere sightings of UFOs reported to move on that night, but other than that, no no one saw that weird scattering of objects. And so again I'm not actively on the substances, but I'm pretty skeptical of what I'm seeing still, you know, the system whatnot. And it wasn't until I was I was hanging out with a friend and I was just discussing this with him, and he was he was doing what probably a lot of the listeners are doing right now, like, okay, dude, wig boards, mushrooms, UFOs, Like, this guy's clearly insane. You've lost the plot. Whats going on? And I said, you know what, Yeah, when I say it, when you lay it out like that, it does sound insane and when I after we had had this conversation, I was just about to like write it off, and we started to hear this this metallic holm. Oh my god. Sure enough we look up and just above the tree line, I mean it was low. I couldn't hit it with a rock. It was like, right above the tree line was one of those classic black triangles, light in each corner, kind of a weird circle, darker shade in the center, and it just cruised right over us continued on and my buddy had never failed anything paranormal before. You had never seen a ghost store UFOs, and he had not really been interested in the subject. And he was just like, well shit, if he hadn't been there, I might have written it off, like like the other few sightings I had seen. But that was the moment where I was like, oh no, something's going on here. And it was really the for me, the paradigm shattering where I was like, Okay, I got a ghosts and UFOs and bigfoot and psychedelics consciousness. Something's going on between all of those. It's not just one subject. You can't look at just one subject. All of these things are are connected in some way. Now that could be you know, on some kind of quantum physics level. It could be simply through our shared you know, Carl Jung's collective unconscious. It could be something that is simply a weird, you know, survival mechanism we've we've inherited through millions of years of solution. Either way, it's something something's going on because you know, again we both sat there and had that you know, kind of reality shattering experience, and we both saw it together. It's so strange that like you were telling your friend about it, and that's it was like, oh, by the way, I'm right here, like so intentional. Oh yeah, for sure. It's one of those moments and your investigators talk about it where it's the phenomenon looks back at you. And for me, that still is I think the pinnacle moment of my career of it looking back at me, because it was it was at that moment where I was like, you know what, maybe I am crazy, maybe blot, maybe I haven't wasting my time and taking way too many psychedelics, which the latter was probably still true. Yeah, but it was it was almost a nod of sorts, you know. It was like, no, I know, something's going on. Here, pay attention, keep looking and for better or worse or worse, I've I've kept looking, and so yeah, that was that was my UFO experience. And I've been chasing in UFOs and going to hot spots and following up with witnesses and stories and things ever since. Wow. I mean, and that that's like such a clear one too, because like I I my mom has said that we saw when we were all playing basketball outside and like there was something in the sky that nobody knew, and I don't remember it at all. Like, but I also have terrible memory. There's so many things I don't remember. I think I get it now. I have a DHD and I didn't know but until like four months ago, and that's probably why I can't remember so many, so many things. But I don't remember this at all. And apparently everyone that was outside with those those we were like in high school and we go to there was like a basketball court at the end of the street and it was it was getting dark. It was like the thing was setting and it was like just above everyone. And so I think there was like maybe ten of us outside, like our friends. And then my mom because sometimes she played basketball with this weird. But she was outside too, and apparently we all ran back inside and I'm like, I don't remember this, neither, just my twin, but my mom and my brother do it, and I'm like, that's so weird. I don't I don't know why we don't remember it. They claim I was there. I'm like, I don't know. Well, that memory laps. It's a very common part of the phenomenon, and so it's actually something I wrote about in my first book. I wrote this list of similarities between the psychedelic experience and the paranormal experience, particularly UFOs, and the lineups are pretty crazy from you know, the obvious ones, you know, viewing strange worlds, right that whole spirited away ye, going off and seeing weird, unexplainable landscapes and things like that missing time that you know, that notion of not remembering, having a chunk of time missing, or in the reverse, there's the famous Chilean case of corporal Valdez where he disappeared. Yeah, when he came back, his wats was spun forward and he had a beard, and he hadn't had that. He'd only been gone for fifteen minutes. Supposedly, one of my favorite cases. And of course you have the reverse in the US with Travis Walton where he was gone for a week and he thought he was only gone for a few days or for a few hours. Right. Again, this is something both both ways has been described on psychedelic substances. Salvia in particular seems to have that effect more often than not, where people will get like trapped and feel like they spent a lifetime even though a Salvia hit only last like fifteen twenty minutes at the most. It's very similar to that DMT hit where it's only reef and then you're you're back. And again, I've had the experience where I've I've stared at a wall. I thought I was staring at it for maybe five minutes and three hours had passed. Yeah, that effect under psychedelics is it's quite powerful. But also I think one of the most intriguing there's seven or eight things in the list, but one of the most intriguing ones I think is the initial reaction to paranormal stuff. And you see this a lot with abductees. So when you take psychedelics, most most people have this feeling of unity, this oneness with the universe, right, like I'm part of this grander scheme and nature or this this euphoria, right, I guess that's the word for it, and a lot of abductees describe that as well. But of course you have the inverse, and that is you're utterly terrified. So those are kind of the reactions people have the psychedelics. They're either have that euphoria or they're terrified. It's the same kind of true reactions you get amongst abductees whether or not their experience was traumatic, whether they had weird sexual stuff done to them, or simply they were kidnapped and returned. Those are the two reactions. A lot of people who did the more traumatic stuff still come away saying, no, it was you know, I got this feeling that I was part of a bigger, a bigger galactic system and the aliens are our friends. And then of course you have the people who are like, nope, that was horrible, burn at all Jesus. They keep these these things away from it, and so yeah, again it's something's going on, and it's perhaps there are physical craft. I'm not willing to write it off as completely a psychedelic experience, you know, that's to me what makes something parent normal is when something that sounds psychedelic or nonsensical it leaves a physical imprint, whether that's a UFO leaving a sport or a big foot leaving a footprint. It's it's when those hallucinations break into reality and right again, that's that's there could be multiple things occurring here. And I'm not even convinced that necessarily the UFOs are you know, extramential in that way. Perhaps whatever, perhaps they are human craft. In fact, I've got a whole bunch of research suggesting that they are built by human beings. Oh you know, I just learned about this, this like weird theory, and I didn't know about it until like four months ago. Maybe, But like you supposedly UFOs are like actually people but from the futures. Oh yeah, the gray aliens uh to have like advanced. I had no idea about this. Yeah, I have heard about graylians like this whole time, but I didn't know that that was like the theory that then like because of evolution and like the way the earth continued and like people had to like hide away and then like their skin got all weird. That's why they're so obsessed with our sperm and our eggs. Is because they're trying to read themselves back to being you know, cuman, right, Yeah, being cute. Yeah, I want to get back, which is a it's a good theory and it's an interesting one. But again I'm not I don't know. I think that there's something occurring. Perhaps at whatever is occurring, I think there's this there's this common notion in the paranormal of the trickster rights, the same entity wearing many masks, and I think that is still a bit of a jump, but I think it's close, closer to the mark. But I think whatever's occurring, whatever it is, is something beyond our are understanding, not just our academic understanding, but our physical processing power of the brain. And so when we see something, we create the mask. Whatever this space time anomaly is. If you're really into bigfoots, you're gonna see something weird in the woods, it's gonna be a big foot. If you're really into aliens and you see a weird light flying through the sky, it's gonna be aliens. If you only believe the angels and demons, dwell, it's gonna be most likely a demon, but maybe an angel. Again, that duality that euphoria versus terror. It's and I think the UFO conundrum really represents that to a t if you really look at the stories from contact ees to abductees to modern day. We always block them off in these eras, but really, if you listen to the people, the essence of the stories, it's pretty bad. Back and forth throughout the decades. They're either here to save us and they love us and it's star Trek, or it's they're they're evil and they're stealing our souls. Right, most things, the answer is probably somewhere in between. Yes, somewhere in the middle. Yeah, they're doing something, that's for sure. Yeah, anything beyond doing something something evil, something bad. Well, now you're making jumps, you're making weeps. They're doing so good, right, yeah, how fascinating. Oh my gosh, Well, let me read to you the listeners stories that we have. No, that's good, okay. So this was sent from Emmanuel. So there was a storm going on, and I was going up to the grape vine with my window down to feel the fresh air. When I looked out, I saw this light hovering above the hills. At first I thought it was a shooting, star, but it was too close to be. One weirdest part was that my drive to my destiny felt a lot longer than usual, as if time was moving slower. Oh yeah, very common. Yes, I was always reading. I was like you were just saying that again. It's it's that that effect and these things could be I do want to reiterate I have a good amount of research to suggest it could be human built craft. But whatever mechanism they operate on, whatever physics they're using, is something that is still operating on that consciousness level. It's very similar to have you ever seen any of those like h kind of like those clothes that have been designed to full cameras to full like face tracking camera. Yeah, it's all kinds of weird patterns and it's just the camera can't read it. Something is occurring with light and particles in our consciousness around these craft that is causing a similar effect. And perhaps there's just there are people who understand this and have built crafts based on these principles and that's why we see them in Afghanistan and Iran and places like that. Maybe just having traces amount of mushrooms in your systems as all that you need to break the clothes right again who knows and well? And again think of the application if these craft just from their simple operations create unreliable narrators. And there is this phenomenal story from a Russian scientist I've been working on, Victor Gerbinikoff. He was an entomologist bug guy who supposedly reverse engineered insect principles and flight mechanics and the special thing of physics to create a UFO. But one of the most interesting things was that his UFO was essentially like a wooden palette with like scooter handlebars. That's all it was. But when people would look up, they wouldn't see like a Russian scientist flying a flying palette. They would see glowing disks and triangles and tubes, the classic god. And he noticed that wherever he would operate this craft, all kinds of strange paranormal side effects would start to occur. Oh my god, I'm shocked. Well in the realm of missing time. This is one of my favorite anecdotes from him. In the realm of missing time. He would take he's a bug guy, so we would go out to these research fields in Siberia and collect samples and so we built this UFO, and he was like, well, let me take the UFO out. And he flew to these fields and he was collecting larva and he put this one in his tube, put it in his pocket, flew back to his lab, maybe like an hour hour and a half away. When he got back, the larva was fully grown inside the test tube. Sometimes I would normally take months, and it had occurred on this short little flight. So that mixed with a variety of other factors, including the fact that he noted people were seeing UFOs everywhere. Oh my god, I'm I am shocked right now. If if you could see my video, I've literally just been like mouth open, like what the fuck this is wild. I was first exposed to this story from a strange dude in Morocco who claimed to have a bunch of CIA connections, and there were some weird things, like he had some assets in Morocco that you know, a typical American ex pat would not have. But you know, I never saw like a badge or anything. Right, very nonchalantly was like, oh, no, I know people who fought UFOs. Oh my god, I told me that. Yeah, they reverse engineered it from honey bees. There's an anti gravity chain or inside honey bees, is what he told me. Wow, that was like six or seven years ago. And at the time I had written this guy off as like a nutter, you know, I thought he was crazy. Who wouldn't. Yeah, But after seven years of like accidental research, I've fallen down this this weird rabbit hole where he might be onto something, there might be a human nature to this craft. I am like mind blown right now. This is a yeah, I'm having I think an excellent cis it is? Now? Well, oh my god about UFOs is again? Every day one day I wake up, I'm like, no, it's all psychedelic. It's clearly some yeah Union archetype inside of our subconscious and it just manifests this way based on our culture and our genetics. And then the next day I wake up and it's full tinfoil hat Alex I've got yeah, So, oh my god, Yeah, No, I'm beat, I'm bike, I'm so fascinator right now here, let me read you the next one. So this is from uh, this is from v IF listeners. Remember she was on in ayurna episode and then on what was the other one. It was a recent one. Gwen this. We talked about Gwen this so and V sent this in and then she was like, oh, and my my mom has other stories. And I was like, V, you have to come back. It was too late for me to invite her on for this episode because we were talking about this like a day ago. So I was like, oh, it's too late. She was like, next time. So she has more stories. So, but she sent this in because she's the one who saw this experiencer cool. Uh huh, yeah, yeah, she's kind of wild stories. So here it is. I've always believed in aliens. I'm an X Files girl since the moment I was seven years old and saw Fox Molder. I always wanted to witness the UFO, but I never thought I would have the experience I had. When I was eighteen. It was July fifth, two thousand and six. My husband and I were watching TV at his parents' house. It was close to ten pm at night. His dad runs inside and was yelling for all of us to go outside. He said he went outside to throw the trash away and noticed a big, bright red ball in the sky. He just stayed watching it for a good minute. He said it was getting bigger as it approached closer. My father in law has had experiences with UFOs himself when he was living in Edmosillo. He also has a good knowledge of aeronautics. He knew what he was seeing was not a plane, jet or flare. When we went outside, we definitely could see why he was so excited. This thing was massive. As we were outside, this thing was so huge, the whole neighborhood was standing and looking at it. His parents lived in front of one of the biggest dog parks in town. It's always full of people at night with their dogs. There were hundreds of witnesses. We ran inside to grab our camera. It was two thousand and six. We didn't have iPhones or android cameras. We legit had cameras for our MySpace photos. Tis so yeah. Right when we tried to use the camera to take photos, the battery was dead. The craziest thing is that it had a full charge right before this. The next door neighbor also had issues with their cameras taking photos. Super creepy. By this time, it was right above us. I looked up and couldn't believe that I was seeing this and that it wasn't a movie. It was probably there for not even a couple of minutes, but it felt like forever. Viewing this thing from below, I saw a massive circle. It was the underside of this massive object. It had large circular lights. So imagine looking up and seeing this thing literally above you, and you're looking at it and it's lit up like a sci fi movie. It was silent, but I could feel some sort of vibrating sensation, almost like electricity around me, as if the spacecraft was humming or something. I know that sounds weird, but I swear that's how it felt. My mother in law and I ran underneath the porch because we got scared. I can't explain it, but I almost had a feeling of complete dread. I called my parents, who were across town about seventeen miles away, and I asked them if they saw anything, and they said no. The next thing I'm going to admit is completely sincere. While I was speaking to my parents, I literally felt like this was it, like it was the end of the world. But when something so profoundly ab normal, that is outside of your usual spectrum is in front of you, all your sense of rationality goes out of the window. It literally shook us all. It was motionless for a bit, and then it started to move away from us like it was leaving. It was probably fifteen minutes in totality from the moment my father in law side up until it hovered over the neighborhood. All of a sudden, we see two military helicopters heading in our direction. These helicopters were booking it. Then we see them circling the craft and they had their spotlights on it, no joke. Then we heard the loudest pop and the thing was gone, completely vanished. Then the helicopters headed toward the Air Force base full speed. This event was documented in the UFCO network, It was in the local news. I mean, this was reported and seen by so many people to substantiate what we saw. Nonetheless, despite it all, it was dismissed as some sort of military flight test and that those red lights were just flares. Yeah right then why were these sharpers treating this thing like a threat and why were they circling this thing armed? That's a good one. Yeah, that's great. Oh I read this and I was like, what the what did I just regin? You have those those motifs pop up again that you know, that sense of dread, a sense of reality shifting, and even that that buzzing hum weirdness that often pops up and there's a term for it, the oz factor, whether it's cryptids or it's almost that weird. It's preceded by that eerie silence. Everything gets really oh my god, yeah, every it's it's so creepy how these stories are all so similar. But it's no way. It's like these people didn't talk to each other, but they all have these Yeah, these things are still similar. And like when I read it and I messaged her and I was like, oh my god, like I have heard the feeling of dread and thinking it's the end of the world, the buzzing, the silence, like it's all there, and I was like, oh, that's so scary. Yeah, it's quite weird. It pops up in even especially the battery drain. That's another one of those details. You can see that one even in Ghost Adventures episodes where anyone who goes out and does paranormal research, at any point we'll experience that where you're just parts. I know it was plugged in, it was plugged in at the car and now it's dead. But it's very frustrating. It is the bane of bigfoot people that one happens a lot to them as well. When they're they're hearing something, they're ready to go. There's something right over there, and battery's dead and so yes, and my mom actually when we were and my mom, I think she's like, I don't know if kunduit is the right word, but like she's just like very open. She has a lot of experiences, mainly with like spirits and entities. But other than the UFO that she says, we all saw that I don't remember. There was another incident where she was My brother had these dance classes he really wanted to do, and sometimes we all went because it was we were in like the ghetto part of town, and these dance classes were in the fancy part. And the only reason he was able to go is because the teachers really liked him and so they let him go for free. And so sometimes we all went in the car with my mom and we would hang out with my mom, like just listening to music or radio shows. But that time we didn't go, and so he was off in his dance class and she was parked in the parking that and it was it was a nice time. The sun had just hit and she saw something come into her like I vision, like just like in front of her, and it was like a weird object, like I mean like a UFO shape, right, and it had like these life that were blinking, and she tried to get the phone net because she was like, oh, they're not going to believe me, and so she took it out and she tried to record it, and then like the phone wouldn't turn on, and then it went away, and then she's like, okay, well, let me just make a phone call because this is so weird. She felt like that sense of a dread as well, and she was like, I'm so scared right now. So she was gonna call one of us, I think me or my twin or we probably showed the phone at the time, so she's just gonna call us after she saw it. And then the like the minute it went away in the phone where she's like, all right, let me make this phone call, and then it came back and then she's like what the fuck And then she was like try to record it again, and then the phone wouldn't work, and then it was like almost playing with her, like it would go back and forth, and then finally she was like, whatever, I'm I'm annoyed now, I'm not even scared anymore. I'm like, this thing is getting into my nerves. And then it just didn't come back after that, and I was like, that's so weird. Welcome to our little Hunted break. We want to give a shout out to the Espuki sopas over on Patreon. 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You can also support us by checking out the merch in the merch store, there's a lot of stuff they're including tight eyed shirts that are super cute. I love them. And don't worry if you cannot support us monetarily, just by listening, you're already supporting us. So thank you so much for doing that. Yeah again. At the many UFOs are particular purely strange, especially when in relation to fay folk and you know that kind of idea of fairies and the interfolc and all that weird you know, Dwen days, all of it very simple. They act in this this you know, similar fashion, the spiriting away. The light sphere, I find is one of the most common archetypes and one of the most often signifiers of something paranormal is that far away it looks like a light sphere, and then when you get close to it, it looks like blank and that pops up weathers UFOs, very oftentimes UFOs, but oftentimes ghosts too. There's there's a case in Nambibia in southern Africa, and I'm hoping to get out there soon to investigate on the ground. But there's this this light sphere in this desert region, very similar to there's the ghost light in Marfa, Texas, which are they're cool, man, you can go out there and see them. They're there, yeah, very similar to a lot of these the Minmen lights in Australia all over the place. They have these these light spheres and these desert reasons. And of course scientists say it's plasma spheres, but experiencers say, that's no plasma sphere. It's doing something weird. And in this region in Africa, when the colonists, the Dutch colonists first showed up, they would see this light sphere and they would say it's the ghost woman. It's this woman in white floating through the dunes. Nowadays, of course, with all the UFO stuff in modern culture, people see these. They follow at the car. They have the same missing time and things like that, and so of course they're like, wow, it's UFO. Clearly, this thing's a ufo. But in this one region, near this river, close to the border with South Africa, there is this legend of the light sphere. But when it gets close, it's not a ghost woman or a ufo. It's the flying snake of Namibia, whoa like a cobra kind of thing, but instead of just these little flaps at its head, it's got these big flaps that it uses as wings, and it has smoke that comes out of its nose, has this glowing light on its forehead, kind of like an angler fish almost, and it's most noted for sucking the blood out of livestock, particularly sheep. It leaves these two perfectly burned holes in the side of livestock and drains them of all their blood. Wow. And so again it has this this archetype. It has the same behavior as not only UFOs with the cattle mutilations, but chu picabras you know, all over and they're associated with yeah, with aliens and UFOs as well. That the connection is they are the light spheres. Again, our associate often with big foot, with all kinds of cryptids. Usually you don't have to dig too deep to find I saw a cryptid, and then I saw a ufo or a sphere of light, or there's actually one forty minutes from where I live here in Gainesville, Florida, where they it's the Bardin Booger and it's this famous case of a big foot from the eighteen hundreds. But he carries a lantern, and so when you see him from a distance, you just see this this glowing light, you know, bobbing in the distance. And then when you get closer it's a big foot holding a lantern. I did not know that lantern big foot. So this association, though, it pops up everywhere. And so yeah, again, these these similarities, and I do I think there's there's people, and it sounds like the person who sent in this last story is one of them where they perhaps don't have necessarily the same cultural filter where you know, if you're a big foot guy, you're going to see bigfoot if you're open minded enough, then yeah. I do think a lot of people are like, oh, you saw a big foot and a UFO and a ghost, you're full of it. But I think, honestly, if you're you're open enough, if you' you've got the right you know, chemical soup in your brain, then absolutely that light sphere will take their various forms depending on where where you're at, what you're exposed to, what mindset you're in at the time. Right, Okay, this other one is also weird. This was sent in from Angie and she titled it Flashes in the Sky. So, Hi, my name is Angie. I come from a family with the gift, meaning we see shit in this life and we got stories. Same with my mom. They say she has we called the gifts or Eldon, which I'm like, that does not sound a gift, but whatever. I don't know. So I don't know is it. But for like just an average person. I think it might be a curse. I would die. That's why I don't have it. I would pass out and yeah, not come back. I want it too much. That's why I don't have it. Yeah, yeah, you have to not want it. I think doesn't work that way. Oh man, so she says. But this was back in Puerto Rico. On September of nineteen ninety eight, we get news that we needed to prepare for the arrival of Hurricane George's. Yes, with an s who names these things anyway, as most of us would do, we took in a family friend to our house since we had a two floor house constructed with cement. He had a wooden house with tin panels for a roof that if you sneeze too hard it would fall over. You're looking out right, yeah, trying to make a very long story shorter. If you've ever lived through a hurricane, you know that the winds and rains start off slowly, reach its peak, and then calm comes. Then everything goes in reverse from strongest winds and then rain until it dies out, and that's when the storm has passed. So skipping through, how absolutely terrified I was with the sound effects of the winds and everything being ripped away. I went upstairs to my room using a flashlight to get a book so I could read by candlelight and calm myself down. I found said family friend that I will call Victor, sitting in the tiny balcony attached to my room, watching the storm. I asked if he needed me to get him something, since you know, him being older and I was nineteen manners blah blah blahm. He only asked that I leave my flashlight with him, and I did. I went back down to the laundry room with my youngest siblings, and we were there trying to write it out. Time passed. I heard no noise coming from outside, but I know it was just the eye of the hurricane. I decided to check on Victor since my mom joined our hiding spot in the laundry room and it was getting crowded. I got to the balcony. Victor and my cousin were looking up at one of the most beautiful and science fiction looking skies. It looked like it was set on fire, vivid colors, really breathtaking. Turns out, we were told that this was a phenomena called Saint Elmo's Fire. I can't verify if it was true or not because we didn't have a computer back then. So Victor started using the flashlight as a beam to point to show us different patterns in the sky. The storm destroyed so much on the island, including Victor's house, so he was staying with us for a bit. The neighborhood had been without electricity for a long time. I don't know how to explain how clear and beautiful the night sky looks after a hurricane, but Victor, my cousin, and I would hang out in my balcony looking up because he kept saying he saw strange lights in the sky. Again, using the flashlight as a pointer, he would try to show us. The battery started to give out and it flickered, and then the light he was pointing out flickered at the same time, so whatever he was pointing out was flickering. Bath I've never seen an old man moved so fast to get another flashlight. I was confused about what just happened. He came back with one of those big, bulky, yellow, industrial looking flashlights. My cousin asked him, what the fuck are you doing, and with a childlike smile, he said, I'm making first contact with them. I absolutely thought, oh my god, we're stuck in the dark with the man. That's insane you're about I started to yell for one of my parents to come. But what we saw was both fascinating and terrifying. Victor started flickering the light at the sky and then lights, and the sky started responding, yes, said lights. By now there were four lights flickering in the exact same way. I think he really did contact something because the lights would flicker and then he would do it and they would do it back. I got freaked out and yelled, you don't know what the hell you're telling them. What if you're giving them the okay to come take us? I panicked. Ghost shadow people entities I could handle, but this felt so wrong, way down to my bones. My parents asked him to stomp, and he did, thankfully, because he's staying with us, but he had become obsessed. The last I heard was that they found him passed away, sitting on his porridge with coffee and three flashlights. He died of a heart attack. Poor guy. That's my story. I hope you enjoy it. Be safe, be blessed. Angie. Wow, that one's wild. Wow Wow, Yeah, that's weird. It reminds me of I'm blanking of a location. I want to say it was the Pacific Northwest. But there's a book a few years ago that came out about a guy who owned a private like little airstrip middle of the woods and kind of like a weird similar story where at first, like the light strips on the landing started to like malfunction and he noticed that there were lights in the sky that were like blinking back at him, and there was lots of weird other high strangeness, but the ending was essentially the same where he kind of like obsessed and like died out there like just trying to make contact over and over and over again. Wow. Wow, I just got chills. That's wild quite weird. Yeah, now that one gave me chills. That's definitely one of the weirder ones. Yeah, it's one of those of those high strangeness things. And again it's a lot of times those stories are pointed out like, well, clearly it's demons. Like I don't know, I think there there's humans who like become obsessed, you know, with gambling on you know, women's basketball, Like you can find someone obsessed with anything if you look for him. Yeah, with that my strange addiction, there's a whole show about it. There is a weird So I don't necessarily think that the entities the lights are responsible for that, but it is something that that pops up again and again, this kind of obsession. Yeah, because I could see someone being like so obsessed and then they're just repeatedly answer and he just happened to have a heart attack when he was out there, Like I don't think the lights didn't, but he was just there and because he was there, all that time. That's just where it happened. But it's weird that that story you mentioned. It's like very simil and immediately jumped out to me because I was like, I wonder if I was like, I wonder if he's gonna be like obsessed with it like that. I was like that way, And I think there's I think it's a case from Guatemala. There's a really interesting video and it's like a few hundred people on a beach and they're using like lights like that to communicate with something, you know, on the horizon line, and it does this green flash that is really bizarre. It's like nothing I've really ever seen. And it is interesting with the whole green flash legend, you know, pirates making really but it does stem from a you know, supposedly a light phenomenon, but this thing was flashing like in response, so a bunch of people pointing laser pointers and stuff. So certainly again it's something something happening, and when that occurs, those are the cases that you know, definitely have me leaning back towards it's all psychedelic, you know, No, it's something's happening in our consciousness and our reality. It's a base the particle physics thing that is beyond our comprehension, because I don't really see the military being like, oh, let's flash our lights back at them. But honestly that I say that loud, maybe or maybe they're I was just like I could see I could see someone that they're like protocol, you don't You're not supposed to make contact with these people. This is a test. And then someone just completely ignoring it and just doing it anyway. I'm just gonna fuck with them real quick. Yeah, I mean that's like that's like the military thing to do, do the opposite and then be like I'll deal with it later. Yeah, honestly it does sound very human opinion on that one. We're gonna flip flop on this right now, might change my mind tomorrow. I always flip flop on it. I'm not sure. Perhaps both things are true. There's there's you know again, we it's something I come up way too often in the paranormal where someone's like, no, I figured it out, my thing's right, and that's right. Yeah. If you're if you're at that point, then you're you haven't done enough reading. Listen to more wrong. Yeah, there's something going on I can find whatever your perfect theory is in the paranormal. I can find a story. I can find a story that you can't explain. I'm sure I can't. I'm posting this challenge. Yeah, but it is there's I think overall, the UFO question, problem, conundrum, enigma is a positive. I think we're we're kind of moving forward, you know, as a society, slowly, but surely. I don't think we're gonna see the leaps I want in this lifetime where people are discussing in UFOs like we are, you know, on the news, I'm not sure it's gonna get there quite yet. I think there is definitely there's some small steps heading that way, because like I think twenty years ago, I don't think there would have been that many news reporting or channels are big mainstream media reporting on like oh, these these papers were released or these reports. But what was it that was like in was it twenty twenty or was it after that the whole huge thing was like released and they were actually talking about it some of the videos and yeah they've been researching UFOs and private huh. Again, the problem is, and this is of course, this is something that yeah, everyone asks me about every single time one of those new things happened, he's a new whistleblower, or Congress has a meeting, they're like, what do you think is this it? Like? Are we going to find out? My answer is no, There's only really one way you're gonna get, you know, that disclosure. Everyone's looking for disclosure, alien disclosure. One way and one way only is you have to audit the Pentagon. You have to do the whole John Stewart, audit the Pentagon, go in and count every dollar and see where it's going. Because without dismantling this whole framework of intelligence, counterintelligence, secret aircraft, you know, UFO research, we need to figure out how who's getting what money, how much and when off and how often? Right, that's that's the first step. But trying to figure this out, you know, from the government level, from some kind of bureaucracy level. Without that doing that first is absolutely pointless. You're gonna keep running into different tricks and schemes. And you know that's alone. Outside of the intelligence community. If you go look at paranormal UFO people, there's a lot of Grifters, Stephen Grifters for sure, crazy characters and things like that going on and won't entering the Pentagon and the intelligence community entering into that is not a good sign. I actually believe everyone's like, this is a step towards disclosure. I disagree. I think it did. It is going to make everything way more complicated than Murphy. I could see that. And so until we get a real and again people are like, oh, this that's don't makes sense. It does, though, because if we look at the known facts as civilians, let's go to Roswell, right. The official story is that it was a military balloon. They were doing a secret balloon thing, and that they told us it was aliens, and then they told it was us it was weather balloons, and then it went away. A year ago, a few months ago, we shot down a bunch of Chinese balloons that were thought to be UFOs. But then we shot the UFOs down and oh it turns out it was just balloons. But maybe they were military balloons. The protocol hasn't changed in nearly one hundred years. When something happens of this nature, the protocol is clearly to throw aliens in there to make it more confusing. The real thing aliens seems to be associated with it. And it seems to be to muddy up the waters. At least that is the official explanation when it comes to Roswell and so again I'm skeptical, especially if people who said they worked for the government and that they saw UFOs and aliens. Yeah, maybe that's just the retirement plan, right, if you want to get your Yeah, I mean it's a dead plan. Every few months, you got Bob Blazar. Listen, if you want to get well, we'll give you a little more money if you go on the radio and talk about aliens every few months. Yeah, and again, that sounds like a conspiracy. It sounds a little crazy, but hey, we know humans do weird stuff like that all the time, and we love conspiracies. We still don't know what the aliens are doing. We still don't have one of those. So yeah, to say it is it is. Well, I have to pee, so we should end this. I don't even get to the other stories. But this was so good. I'm so glad. I'm like mind blown with everything you told me today. I'm shot. Before we go, we always do a spooky recommendation. 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Yes, and you know what now that you were speaking about all over the world, people check out your website, Chazz, because I think that's where with me and MJ first came across. We found a story that you were talking about, like some sort of mothman or fine entity in Chile. I want to say, yeah, it's an old class and it was like on your website and I was like, oh my god, there's so there's so much there. So you know what, that is my recommendation if you want to find some wild stories like oh, thank you dot com check it out. Yes, yes, I don't even know if that one's still up on there anymore. I might have to repost it. I don't know. I found it like a year was it a year or two ago? Whenever MG and I talked about Mothman, I want to say it was probably almost two years ago. Now, yeah, I still remember it was the flying entity in Chile and there was like a tragic fire and like the office building. Yes, yes, yeah, fascinating, fascinating stuff. So yeah, check out your work. 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