A Spirit Actually Answered Them During an Investigation (Ft. Another F***ing Horror Podcast)

[00:00:00] Hey, welcome to Paranormal Club. We have something a little bit different today. We did a collaboration with another Fing Horror Podcast with Monique and Amy and we had a lot of fun. We did get to bag a lot on Zach from Ghost Adventures. Hope you guys don't mind that, but the conversation was really cool. We talked about paranormal investigations. We talked about some of the adventures that they've had and some of the strange things that go along with when you actually get to communicate with ghosts. So please go check it out.

[00:00:29] Please leave your support also for another Fing Horror Podcast. I'll leave links and everything down in the description so you can go check it out. Anyway, I'll leave you to it. Hope you enjoy it. My gorgeous friend, how are you? I am so wonderful today. How are you? I'm doing great. We are spookied out. I got my little spiderweb outfit. You got your cats and your pumpkins. My cats and my bats. And your cats and your bats. I love that. Yeah. Alliteration, girl.

[00:00:59] Spooky season is here. And to celebrate that, we are so excited to have Edwin from the Paranormal Club here with us. Edwin, thanks so much for joining the gang. Yeah, I'm super happy to be doing this with you guys. This is awesome. You know, I've been following now some of your episodes. Those recent ones have really creeped me out. I think that really got me into the mood of going spooky now. I love it. Yeah, it's really, really interesting.

[00:01:28] Plus, you know, those stories about hearing people that go to a place, something gets attached or something happens to them. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I just it just completely just pulls me away from ever trying to do any paranormal activity investigation things like that. I don't know, even though I love it. You know, I love doing all anything spooky. But I think that's where I kind of draw the line for now. I can always move.

[00:01:55] I completely respect that. I mean, we we did do a paranormal investigation to a little bit less than two months ago as part of our cute and creepy weekend, because once a year we do a big annual retreat where we go to a spooky locale. So we've been doing it the last three years, the first year we did Sleepy Hollow. Last year we did New Orleans and then this year we did Salem.

[00:02:23] And and then it's like, you know, we like get a house and like we have, you know, listeners and fans from all over like fly in and we like curate like three, four days of like events and experiences. And so, you know, and it culminates with a live show like an intimate live show from us.

[00:02:42] But this year we up the ante and we added a paranormal investigation to the mix because I recently became friends with this amazing woman, Sol Trevino who is an intuitive medium and just for funsies once a month she will drive like 11 hours to be like, oh I'm just like investigating like some like, you know, church that's been like, you know, it's falling apart and no one, you know, she.

[00:03:12] I love her I love her so much she clearly doesn't have a f*** to give like I do I cannot because she just is like yeah sure like she does it for fun and I'm like Amy and I are total uh scaredy cats so the the format of our show is normally that uh it's a paranormal it's paranormal and true crime so one of us does paranormal story the other one does true crime but because we were going to do

[00:03:37] this paranormal investigation aspect we decided to cover one of the most haunted locations in Salem and Amy covered all the history and then I covered the alleged um paranormal experiences and how we did it is we did the show at the Salem Inn at room 17 which was supposed to be the most

[00:04:03] haunted we turned off the lights while we did our live show so it's like spooky ooky and then when the show ended then it was like all right now we're gonna investigate but uh I don't know Amy do you want to do you want to go a little bit into it's a little bit of the the history of the Salem Inn please yeah I would love to so the Salem Inn is three distinct properties uh we were in the oldest

[00:04:28] of the three buildings which is the central part of the inn called the West House or sometimes the West Cogswell House it's a group of three three-story Greek revival style brick row houses it was built in 1834 by a prominent sea merchant named Captain Nathaniel West who was the first Salem captain to circumnavigate the globe there wasn't a lot of history I could find about things happening in the house

[00:04:59] like Nathaniel lived in the house and he died in Salem but not in the house itself and he's buried in the Broad Street Cemetery sometime around 1870 the West House was purchased by Civil War General William Cogswell which is why it's also known as the West Cogswell House he was the 16th and 19th mayor of Salem later went on to become a Massachusetts congressman he lived there until his death in 1895

[00:05:26] but he died in Washington DC not in the house itself it seems it kind of fell into disrepair after that a couple named Dick and Diane Pabich acquired the West House in 1983 and decided to restore it as a historical bed and breakfast called the Salem Inn and the city of Salem was so impressed with the

[00:05:49] renovations that they added the West House to the National Register of Historic Places on July 29th 1983 the couple later expanded the Salem Inn with the Kerwin House and the Peabody House and allegedly there have been ghost stories surrounding the Salem Inn's West House long before the Pabich couple acquired it for whatever reason room 17 seems to be at the center of most of the paranormal activity

[00:06:18] there were no specific tragic stories associated with it or the house itself that I could find to account for these ghostly sightings Diane Pabich herself says quote neither we the owners for 28 years nor any of the staff have had such occurrences I personally think it's the power of suggestion and the fact that these guests are visiting Salem with its fascinating history end quote Diane bullshit

[00:06:46] we were in that room you were a liar ma'am also Diane literally when you go to the Salem Inn website there is a thing for the haunted room room 17 it's like it literally is called the haunted room on their website like to book the hotel so but it's totally not haunted it's not haunted um yeah like so so really allegedly there's there's three ghosts at least three ghosts that are known to

[00:07:10] have been reported being seen at the property there's supposed to be a ghost cat that has been seen uh going in and out of the parlor by multiple people and there's a little boy and again like there's no record of like anyone dying there or any like tragic thing happening but the big thing is that there's a woman in wearing all black who's seen a lot and she's known as Catherine and you like get the

[00:07:39] feeling of like a cold breeze you know like just like passing by you people have like uh seen her at the top of stairs and so there's all this activity happening all over the Salem Inn but allegedly room 17 is where you know where the grinning ghosts come out to play you know as they say in you know so is it is it haunted or not haunted then okay so okay even though you because you said you've never done a paranormal investigation right no but like have you watched ghost hunters yes oh yeah

[00:08:08] so like it's a lot of like waiting around and like maybe like one thing happening and like not you know like it's it's it's the hurry up and wait game right kind of boring for you yeah so like that's i 150 spent high school watching ghost hunters in college when everyone else was like partying and like doing drugs and having sex i was at home watching all of that and

[00:08:36] just like fascinated but it's like and you know whatever like a pen would move you be like oh my god oh my god you know um which admittedly i think that would be pretty cool if you're able to do that as a ghost but like that's like emotionally how i was prepared to go to into this because i have done a previous a couple investigations with soul previously and like we did an investigation of the henry derby house which is allegedly supposed to be the most haunted like house in all of Salem

[00:09:04] and it was like kind of a nothing burger it was like a total dud so you know so so we're there and we're there with like the whole group and soul is you know she's completely prepared she has multiple items that all essentially do the same thing right and which is like established contact right so she has uh these light up cat balls that are literally you could just go to like like a pet store and like

[00:09:32] pick them up it's it's just a little ball that only lights up when you touch it like if you bang next to it it won't light up it only lights up when you touch it so she has a bunch of them she has them all over the room she has dowsing rods to like ask questions where you'll hold it and then it'll like cross for yes or no or whatnot um she has an emf reader she has a spirit box to do the estes method

[00:09:57] which is uh for those who don't know a spirit box is like this machine that just like scans through like white noise and like radio like stations and you ask questions and then maybe you'll pick up an answer that correlates to like what you're asking and there's a specific way of using this that is known as the estes method

[00:10:17] where one person has headphones that's hooked up to the ghost box and is wearing a blindfold so that they can't see or hear what you're asking and that they just say whatever they're hearing come through the scanner and supposedly it will line up with whatever question you ask right and then we have the pièce de résistance the dead bell which still haunts my dreams is essentially it's like a concierge bell

[00:10:47] and then you'll ask a question and they're like is someone here ding yes or you know and it's like hooked up to an emf reader in the way so it actually it actually yes yes yeah yeah it dinged non-stop let me tell you if i did not if i wasn't in charge of this if i didn't know soul who was doing the investigation

[00:11:15] and if i didn't know every single person in that room i would have sworn that this was faked because of the amount of activity that was happening it was cuckoo banana pants like the dead bell was going off all of the time it like immediately from the get immediately like there was no like there was no waiting it was just like oh i'm here you want to play we're f***ing here let's go girl like it was bananas

[00:11:41] wait wait so how does it work so it's like you're you're around you're in the room you set it up yeah you do you ask questions or something or do you just yeah so you like you know you would ask and like things with like a dead bell you'd be like ding uh once for yes twice for no and like you'd be like oh is someone here ding and then you'd see like things light up and and granted they're not like next to each other they're like all over the room the but you know the emf reader spiked a

[00:12:08] couple of times but it was like the dead bell and the cat balls were the ones that were like kind of non-stop wow did you get any information of like who it was or so so soul had had it that she would have a couple like she would rotate out who would who would use the spirit box to like the and like blindfolded and that whole bit and again we're in the dark because it's lighting paranormal investigation right yeah that wasn't enough so we'll be like okay

[00:12:36] go in the bathroom and granted they're blindfolded they have their headphones but it's like no you're going to be in a different room we're going to crack the door open and we're going to ask questions through the door and see if like anything comes through and it was like the first person is like who's here catherine and it was like which lined up with like allegedly one of the ghosts who haunts this place i literally just gave myself chills again it was so oh my god no and me and amy were

[00:13:06] like death gripping each other through like this whole situation no as soon as i heard that i grabbed her i was like oh my god okay it's happening because i i have had several paranormal experiences in throughout my life and amy has has not really i have not so she was very convinced nothing was gonna happen because she's there so it's like and the ghosts don't like me nothing paranormal ever

[00:13:31] happens to me i was wrong not no not but amy are you are you a skeptic or are you just like you never had the chance to experience that i've just never had the chance to experience that i would say i lean more towards the skeptical side but i have heard enough stories in doing this that the possibility does not surprise me i don't fully rule it out but it's one of those things like until

[00:13:57] it happens to you i feel like you can't fully believe it yeah but i want to i get it i get you i get you the first time i ever witnessed anything i straight up felt dizzy like i felt like i was gonna throw up like seriously and um the people that were there they were like are you okay because i was like literally i leaned against the wall and i just kind of slid all the way down i'm like i think i just saw something and um it was a weird shift in like reality like which everything that you know everything

[00:14:24] that you grew up yeah suddenly just like it's not like that guess what there's another thing and and then i think after you know years passed by and everything and i just kind of kind of pretend it never happened i think my mind just kind of protects me in that way it's just like no it's not true it and i find so many different ways to say it never happened it never happened and you hear that so now i'm not sure anymore like i know i saw it that day and then yet i'm still like i don't know what did you see where were you i was in um i was volunteering i was actually not

[00:14:54] volunteering i was actually i had a job in ecuador i was backpacking around the time and i met that's where i met my now wife um she's actually uh she was there with me like in the in the we were running this hostel and in the hostel the very very bottom floor had the reception desk i'm walking in and as i'm walking in i see this man he's standing and he's looking through some books there's some like papers immediately i got worried because i was like who is this guy we have like we have passports

[00:15:23] in there we have like money we have like personal information and the receptionist like usually like she would go out and help with the laundry and come back and so i'm like oh no like somebody went in so i go in there and as soon as they turn the like literally didn't lose sight of the door turn in there i see just the receptionist at the desk and there's nobody else there i look behind the door i look under the desk and i'm and she's like what are you looking for and i'm like there's someone here she's like what do he look like and i explain i'm like he's this kind of tallish guy

[00:15:53] so full body operation not even like a shadow man like no no it was a person a person you can't talk that away like everything else is like a like a thing in the corner of your eye you're like ah that could be like a cat or something you saw a ghost for sure you saw someone not a non-corporeal being this was what i can tell you a person was standing there and i'm like 100 sure it was this person but when you get there and they're not there and then you explain it now here's the thing

[00:16:19] i described the guy i'm like kind of tallish with the beard you know black hair she's like you just described el chiquito which was the nickname that they gave a ghost that they keep seeing around the place match the exact description it also matches the description of an ex-employee there who had actually stolen money try to get away and crash and died on his way out of the city damn but that thing it just is completely shifts your like right now i get i get i still get kind of chills to think

[00:16:48] about how that is because it just doesn't make any sense it just completely flips your world upside down you're like oh you know and you can feel that shift too because i'm very conscious with it i'm like i know my mind is trying to not like make me not believe it and yet i saw it and explaining the whole thing was a whole thing i was like i just saw a ghost i just said it like that i want my wife was working at the very very very top building uh top floor of the building and i ran up there i'm like

[00:17:14] just saw a ghost and oh by the way by the way when i was there the the lamp right above the table started flickering and i didn't connect the two at the time i was just it was just like going on and out and out we tried to fix it we tried to screw it in together and it just it wasn't working later on when i'm like telling the story of this stuff somebody else said you remember the flickering lights well something else happened with the flickering lights in this other place and i was like there's no way like oh i don't know i don't know but anyway this is why you know what and i think

[00:17:42] i mentioned i said that i i've never done a paranormal investigation and i think i lied because i wasn't a paranormal club literally in high school we made one and we tried to do kind of investigations but we didn't have anything but like a recorder sure um but still we never got anything close to what you guys did and there was no way i think the bells what is it called death bells a dead bell a dead bell

[00:18:06] a dead bell is that and i don't think it was invented then um i mean i i was i did not know a dead bell existed till last year when when i met soul and we did an investigation and let me tell you there is nothing that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up like being in the dark and hearing that thing go off in a quiet no one is near it like and you and you're just like what the um is this on

[00:18:34] video by the way monique i have some audio recordings of some of it and just us gasping it's oh my god yes yes the craziest thing is the dead bell only rang twice for no one time yeah and it was for monique yeah it was pissed at me um and i was trying to remember did because i

[00:18:59] definitely got touched like like it felt like there was a hand on my back and then i like freaked out and i was like oh no and amy's hands were up and i was like oh okay you were you were the one touching me she's like no i was just like gonna console you and i was like oh my god so i don't remember i don't remember if that happened before after i pissed off the ghost but so back up a little

[00:19:20] bit so where it's been someone else is doing the estes method and he's in the closet and he's saying like kind of really aggressive things like i'm gonna murder you and this but that like we're kind like is this like sex talk like because i don't i'm gonna kill you it was because it was so like

[00:19:46] like he just kept saying so much stuff and he kept hearing something and it was so over the top that we were kind of like is this like raunchy talk like because it just seems so weird to to like go into this just to like kill someone you know what i mean like so i don't know you know hey as long as consent is happening like love that love that like what kind of stuff though i'm like wondering like

[00:20:11] what yeah it was like stuff about like like murdering but it was just like this the way it was being said because even like other other people like in the room were like not to be weird but could this be like like i'm like murdering that that vagina situation like you know i have to go back and

[00:20:35] listen to it it definitely was like both ways yeah it was yeah i was like okay okay and then so it was like oh okay like so we're like asking questions and and then it was like oh like is were you with a sex worker and then i was like and then i asked if because this guy's name was richard but he went by dick and but he was like very like sassy this this energy was very very sassy um so and then i asked

[00:21:05] if like do you do you go by dick because you're like kind of a dick and you enjoy that and then we like started talking about like sex worker and i was like did you murder a sex worker and he like then it was like bite me bite me like like and it just like kind of like and it was very clearly very angry and i was like oh my god i was like i'm sorry like i i'm so sorry i i didn't mean any

[00:21:30] disrespect i just i'm sorry i you know like do you accept my apology and then it was like the dead ball went off ding ding no and i was like the only time in the night i did that it didn't accept your apology no no it was i was i that was not my favorite i'm not gonna lie that i like pissed off that was that was one of the scariest parts for sure yeah and then and something else that was

[00:21:58] really wild is that so i think it's like three three or four people had done the estes method and again like all different like one was in like one closet then there was like a little like nook type of thing and the bathroom and all of them said brad who was which was the name of a

[00:22:21] person there with us and it was like these ghosts are like you know all about brad which i get brad is gorgeous brad is like six five blonde athletic blue eyes like he's you know yeah hitler would have had a field day with him like he's gorgeous he looks like a norse god yeah 100 yes yes so soul was like okay brad i want you to do the estes method because clearly these ghosts are obsessed with you and brad is

[00:22:48] very like very logical and like healthy skepticism which i think everyone should have right so she's like okay i want you to like lie down on this bed and um and and do this thing so and after i had been touched i moved to another part of the floor where i was like like perpendicular i guess from brad on the bed

[00:23:13] but i was still like several feet away and i was just lying like against against the the wall window whatever so brad puts on the headphones and the blindfold and soul puts like a bunch of cat balls around him and brad's perfectly still he's not moving all the capitals balls go off what and i feel like he tested it by like moving yeah he did like touching next to it it was like nothing it only goes off when you physically

[00:23:40] touch the ball it will not if you like touch next to it it won't do it like just when you physically go off when you touch the ball so he's you know we're asking questions and he's saying things and he hears his own name called out and he's like okay and he like says it and again i don't remember if this happened before after the thing that happened with brad there was a really loud bang that happened right behind me like someone

[00:24:06] was like banged on the wall like right behind me and i was like what the f**k and i like and i'd already pissed off you know the ghost like he wasn't forgiving me so i was like f**k so brad's you know he's saying all the things whatever and i feel like at one point he was like do you want to party or something yeah we all cracked up in the beginning we were like oh okay yeah yeah yeah something about like let's party like yeah like you know this ghost was like this is what i'm saying like i was like

[00:24:34] were you killing someone or were you having like a good time sexy rough time i don't know so he's going through all that and he's stretched out on the bed and then all of a sudden he like pulls up his legs and he's like did someone touch my feet he's like and we're like no he's like no he can't really hear anything he's like no no seriously did someone just like i felt someone

[00:24:59] touching my feet and when i had covered when i had done all of the alleged activity there were a couple of reports of people in that room having their feet touched or having like like the the covers being pulled down and i didn't actually include it in the story because i was like we're already saying so much like we people want to get to the investigation it's late you know so i didn't even

[00:25:25] include it so it's not like oh well he already knew about this and maybe he like was feeling some type of way and he got so freaked out he like took the blindfold off at one point and was like looking at all of us and i was sitting at the end of the bed and i'm like i swear i was right here no one touched your feet dude that's so creepy because he like kind of discovered it on his own like without even hearing the story before yeah yeah exactly and and the things he had also seen all of us

[00:25:54] throughout the night like we were all taking it very seriously we weren't pranking anyone we so you know it was like no no one's no one's pulling on your feet and he like he did not put his his legs down for the rest of it he like kept them tucked up and i don't blame him yeah it was it was really i've never and even soul who again every month goes and to whatever god forsaken haunted place

[00:26:21] to do an investigation was like i've never had that much like activity especially with the estes method i don't know i don't know how how you guys do that or how you even see that's the thing it's like what they call an intelligent response right like people like they're answering you they're interacting with you and then yeah goodness oh honestly it was like kind of a rush i was so scared

[00:26:47] to do it and then as soon as we were done and we walked outside i turned to monique and i was like when's the next one like that was such that was like a drug i was like i need another hit that was so good amy went straight on amazon being like uh do i get myself a dead bell like what's happening what's what do these go for oh yeah my goodness no i i don't see and you know what i actually do have one of those little i don't know if the ones you were working with the spirit box is is the fancy one

[00:27:15] um but i have like a little radio one that just goes yeah yeah that's the one that was the same thing oh so i guess a proper way to use it is with the headphones and doing that that's a way you can use it it's it's you know and it's i guess a way to one so i guess the person listening can focus because it's especially when you listen to it you're like what you're getting like fractions of a word maybe sometimes so like just to to i guess dull the senses more so that you can or i guess

[00:27:44] sharpen them by like removing eyesight and then there's the like cross-contamination prevention of like you're not lip reading you're not assuming what the question is because you can't hear it and you can't see you know i get it i get it yeah there's also some fancy ones right that just tells you tell you the word oh really yeah well i don't know if it's the same device but it's like it just says stuff like you're walking around with it it just might be like spaghetti or

[00:28:11] i want the spaghetti ghost let's go oh yeah staircase and stuff like that you know yeah i feel like that might be kind of a similar thing except we do it you know you would do it the ss method does it um manually you know with like a person hearing it and responding super super creepy and i don't know i'm trying to get myself pumped up to actually do something especially now you know all these like haunted places they like they reach out they're like hey we're trying to

[00:28:37] promote this thing uh want to come over if you want if you want a crew with you hit us up 10 out of 10 though would recommend you should totally do it okay i think i think the proper way would probably be to like know how to protect yourself in case there's anything but i don't know if i believe those zach bagans moments you know where he's like oh i was possessed okay he's a menace like i no because that's what worries me when he's like um or also the other guy um

[00:29:07] erin goodwin he yeah i mean his wife put out that hit on him right crazy i don't think that's the ghost though i think that's just her being a piece of yeah yeah and before that i don't know if it was like it was before i don't know if he's been married again or if he was married before that but he said one of the members there was blaming an investigation about you know their their divorce

[00:29:28] on their investigation he said oh okay because of that i'm sorry no my guy that was you come on a thousand years ago do you remember the whole the whole thing with the dybbuk box yeah vaguely so there was an episode with ghost adventures and zach bagans and all them like investigating the

[00:29:50] dybbuk box it's ridiculous and insufferable in every possible way and zach bagans is like you know zach bagansing to the max and he's being super combative and super like a ghost bro like insufferable and then something happened where erin and he just like verbally abuses aaron like the entire episode like this poor guy my god something happened i don't know if they like

[00:30:18] touch the box or i don't know i want to say zach did something and then blamed it on aaron and he was like you disrespected the box bro and he's like no i didn't and he's like no he's like no i respect you i respect the box i respect the power and he's like no like you basically like you don't yourself and you don't up wow so poor erin right and then so the episode ends and then there's a thing on the screen and i'm pretty sure it has you know zach big like voiceover of zach

[00:30:48] bagans and his insufferable voice i'm sorry guys it's really not subtle my just my disdain for this man and he's like oh well you know basically because erin you know did this with the box like two weeks later his dog died oh no like no it is i must i don't know i have actually been to his

[00:31:12] haunted museum in vegas okay okay can we talk about for the next 50 years about how every before you go every single room he has to talk about how much he paid for the thing yeah that's right he did every single he's like he's like oh yeah dr kevorkian killed all these people in his van

[00:31:35] and i was able to get it for 50 000 like every single it is insufferable did you go into that room with the dirt he's like they demolished the house like the demon oh then it was like pamela anderson's house or whatever like her basement yeah it just had like a girl it is outrageous okay so because if

[00:31:59] you get like uh what is i think it's an rip ticket which is like the vip yeah they they add extra rooms and stuff that you can go see yeah and like what i think it's like pamela anderson's house it was it was like a i remember seeing this exhibit i guess where like they had it was like a dirt yeah he demolished the house basement and all they had yeah and all they had was like we were

[00:32:24] able to gather some dirt from the demolition like from the demolition site and that's what we have on display and then they have like the like deed like the copy of the deed that it's like so and so anderson is like that's pamela anderson's dad yeah yeah so you know like she lived here also the bed there was an exhibit with the bed um was the divot box actually there do you remember that so when i

[00:32:48] went which was a few years ago he had not one but two divot boxes bro oh my god he's flushed in divot boxes how much did he pay for them though oh i he said it and he said every single it is it is i i can i cannot like and then did you okay i have to ask this sorry it's just i was just remembering sorry i don't know because it's insane no all of it is

[00:33:15] insane it's all a racket it's all insane there is a there is a room like really at the tippy top they put you in a chapel and then they play the audio recording of the anelise exorcism oh my god yeah that's in poor taste uh-huh i mean he's in poor taste usually yeah his existence is

[00:33:41] important yeah like enough so they have basically like like a mouse hole in the back and they're like if you want to like scoot on down and crawl into this did you do that yeah yeah i did i did what was in it i was like absolutely no i don't you know it wasn't memorable because i really don't remember um i really really don't remember but i remember having to do that and it just went in and came

[00:34:04] back out um oh my god i remember that maybe we're thinking of maybe they use that same location because i remember going into the whole like it's a little area you would have to go in there yeah make a loop and then just come right out they might have they might have changed the exhibit or whatever it was but um no i'm pretty sure it was like the people that did it's like so what was in there i was like nothing it was like i remember saying something yeah it was it was you know another thing too i mean michelle we i went with michelle from we used to have another podcast a podcast called

[00:34:34] scary mystery surprise and um she's gonna hate me for this but she bought the cd that zach bagans had at the gift shop what is this no and i asked her because she had a long drive back from la from you know vegas to la and she said that it's just like background kind of rockish music like and then zach kind of comes in and says like stuff no just random things like uh i don't know phrases i didn't

[00:35:02] know it was possible for me to like hate this guy any more than i already that's so cringe oh my god so admittedly i think i told you the same that you it's not like a normal museum it's a cool museum like you can't just go it like you have to go on a tour and there's a track that you have to go through oh no and they're like you have to turn off your phones because the spirit it'll the spirits

[00:35:29] and they don't like it yeah and they also have like footage of employees like getting dizzy and fainting people throwing up like they have people have experienced actual stuff in the museum i don't know i don't know i don't know i think that's food poisoning at the museum is that from the hot dog they earlier also i'm sorry can you imagine let's assume this is real and let's assume he's not in in the the soundtrack because there's like a soundtrack throughout the entire thing so if there's not like

[00:35:58] subliminal shit that's how i'm speculating wildly but i don't know just whatever so imagine you go you get roped into going to this you have an experience and then he records that and for the rest of time there's a video of you passing out at kevorkian's whatever the and and over his and his voiceover over

[00:36:26] it no and you released it with that that materials release thing or whatever in the in the beginning you know you have to sign that thing i'd be so pissed and there was a thing so admittedly i didn't finish the tour because i was there on a work trip and to not have access to our phones like when we could have like been called for anything so i was there with another person and like we were

[00:36:53] like in a panic and we didn't know what time it was either because like you know everything's on your phone so we were like three hours in and we and it was not over girl and it was just like we gotta go like the i the anxiety and i'm like this is nonsense there was like also a thing i don't remember what it

[00:37:15] was but it was like it was like oh we have the jacket of like of someone it wasn't i don't think it was james d it was like some famous person who died but it wasn't the jacket they wore when they died it was like a replica just a jacket who was a really famous person i remember like a really well-known yes it's like michael jackson it was like killer something somebody that was just super super

[00:37:44] famous yeah i can't remember the car that like james dean died in and he tells you how much you paid for it it's it is it and then for no reason whatsoever you have to go through like a room of creepy clowns that aren't haunted all these little clowns like in a row i think you like trauma blocked this whole situation this is insane so you go through a room of clowns and then there's

[00:38:12] scare actors dressed as clowns popping out at you so absolutely the not okay so is this a museum are we in a haunted house what is this because the second you do that you lose any credibility of this being legitimate i forgot all about that because you've got it out at the end we're like what what just happened what is this what yeah i remember this i asked that when i saw it and i'm

[00:38:38] asking again many years later what is this you know i'm thinking about your theory about subliminal messages because when i was at that but the little uh volkswagen bus thingy the bus i did feel kind of sick like i was like oh like as i was hearing the story of everything that went on in there it's like me too i was like oh and i remember telling michelle i'm like uh i feel i feel really weird i

[00:39:03] feel like i need to find like a trash can or like a bathroom like now you know i did too and this is the thing like amy and i are f***ed up we cover really awful stuff all the time so it's a lot for me to get like nauseous i wonder if they're playing like infrasound because i did a story on infrasound one time which is like what a lot of skeptics kind of chalk up most paranormal experiences to because

[00:39:31] if you're exposed to high enough levels you start to get this feeling of dread a lot of people feel nauseous a lot of people start seeing shadows out of the corner of their eyes so like if you're playing infrasound under some regular rock music whatever spooky music it sounds way more likely than the whole subliminal message is like you're about to throw up or you know like oh my god this

[00:39:57] is the scariest thing ever you're feeling nauseous yeah no you're gonna spend you're gonna spend so much money at the gift shop that my cd world get the cd i cannot believe i mean i can that he has a rock cd i gotta ask about it because it's yeah it'll yeah it's not even him like playing or singing it's just

[00:40:23] phrases but yeah it's uh yeah that's insane shout out to michelle sorry hopefully she's not mad at you no check her out she has she has a podcast called tell me a ghost story so she's always oh yeah she's still in the whole yeah i know that show that yeah love that whole creepy stuff yeah fans show yourself we need to hear about the rock city yes we need to hear everything about it i think maybe we get together and we do like a listening party

[00:40:52] yeah i was surprised that she still had you know cd player in her car and um and she could still play on her way back i was like cool i mean that's awesome but yeah she she said it was it was a weird weird thing but i actually got a shirt i was like well i'm gonna buy something too and i bought a shirt and then i'm like well i think it was just this little messaging or something made me do it you know yes but it was it was a creepy place i'll give him the credit like he knows how to build i guess a little sure a business out of this um because it worked out i mean i went you

[00:41:21] went um it's working i so i i work in events also as my like muggle job um that's how amy and i met we like we work in live events and so you know so it's always a thing of like oh i you know then there's also like oh and i do this paranormal true crime podcast every week and so i was talking about

[00:41:44] it with one of the people there when we were working this job in vegas and he was like i love ghost adventures ghost adventures and i was like like ironically he's like no and i was like are you serious and then he when we went to vegas on this we were doing this like uh this like cross-country tour thing event thing whatever and we were in vegas and he's like i really want to go to this and i feel

[00:42:10] the only person that i can go with is you and i was like begrudgingly went and i'm like this is a racket and a half and he would get freaked out over certain things i'm like this is insane like there's there's a there's a british ghost doll named kathy or something that you have to go in and you have to say hi to her if not she's gonna haunt your ass yeah yeah that's true that's true

[00:42:36] asking for permission to do a certain thing and here's the thing and i'm totally down with all that i'm very respectful of the things i'm not into like you know around and finding out i'm like i'm totally down to be respectful uh i'm i'm you know amy and i are originally from florida i'm from miami originally and um i spent a lot of time in key west which has robert the doll if you're familiar with yes yes and you get like i'm not taking a picture of him he doesn't want that

[00:43:05] i'm gonna respect robert's wishes no thank you he also has some some interesting rules right like he won't fly anywhere is that right i'm not sure if he said that in an episode he won't fly anywhere and also there was a thing about mold in the buildings now that he can't go in or something like that like he little rules that i'm like oh i didn't know he didn't fly anywhere now okay he has like a writer and all right i have no idea only green m&ms for robert he's on a no-fly list he did

[00:43:35] some things back in the day you can't talk about that really high maintenance um i'm not with robert i don't want him to let him fuck my life up but yeah my goodness but that first documentary he ever made or they the three of them made i remember watching that when it came out and surprisingly it was like it was really really good i remember i think they did an investigation in the desert somewhere okay and it was just it was so i mean if you're not a fan of him or if people who don't

[00:44:02] know about him or whatever and they want to kind of get into it he was different back then you know before the fame and everything he's still yeah he was definitely more calmed down um for there was a story i did last week uh where i was covering this woman who had been like a paranormal investigator for she had a career doing it but and then she started working and she like worked on like radio

[00:44:28] and she did investigations and then she started being brought on to do the paranormal tv shows as like a consultant or like a guest judge and then that's when she realized like oh this is a racket like they want us to like make a big deal out of things that can be very easily explained away and and she was really turned off by it and she was a guest judge on a couple episodes of uh the paranormal

[00:44:52] challenge which is a zach bagans uh joint but this is like before the like glasses and the like and the like fedoras and all that the faux hawk is still strong but and he's not as awful he's it's still there but he's not as awful but i remember you because it's basically like you have these two teams who are doing investigations and then you have judges being like oh did they did they work

[00:45:19] together well were there nothing scientific or not blah blah and they very clearly understand the assignment they're like okay we're on zach bagan's show so we have to be like raving lunatics and screaming at ghosts and one of them like goes right into it and and also this is like like 2010 so this is like peak reality tv trash situation right so like they're like screaming and at the ghosts and

[00:45:47] be like you were nothing when you were alive and you're even less now that you're dead ridiculous ridiculous i mean and then you see zach back at the control like center and he's like well you know they're like getting emotional they're like really like being combative like you know which i like i'm yeah we know you like that we know you do this is insane i think that's what you need though because you did say they were boring i mean and paranormal investigations were boring so i guess they have to try to make something out of it right like i guess yes yes but i'm like

[00:46:19] but then that's the thing like then then if you do get into it then you are like oh maybe i'm doing this wrong because i'm not picking things up when it's like no that's just that's just what it is yeah it's like when you when you do film and tv it literally is like hurry up and wait like you you know and i because i i also act and and i've you know and and there are things that i i will watch and it's like 13 seconds and i'm like that was 12 hours of shooting that was a 12 hour day for that

[00:46:48] little and that's that's the gig right it's very like glamorous after the fact but it's like the the doing is very not glamorous yeah i got spoiled by our paranormal investigation then because it was that was wild from the beginning yeah yeah there was no there's no easing into it it's like oh people are here this party let's go let's party you know i remember watching ghost hunters and i remember that's a pretty slow show like there's nothing really happening i think the most exciting one is

[00:47:18] like a chair that moves it's just like oh and in the in the lighthouse and yeah yeah yeah literally like a centimeter of course this was the wildest you've ever seen in your life oh my god it was wild again everyone else i knew was like at parties having sex and doing drugs and i was like oh my god the chair moved oh my god like it just and like does it fling across the no it's like it just

[00:47:46] it just moves a little oh my god yeah and like that's it because that's what it is i remember being like whoa yeah yeah it was uh it was great it was great but it was really slow the whole like i think it was just cool to know that people are actually doing this as a job i was like wow yeah do um and there's so many episodes where when they're almost like paranormal activity where when they're sleeping they have the cameras running and then you'll see like a pen move across the table like

[00:48:14] over like eight hours because that's it's so slow that it's like imperceptible that it's only when they're like playing it like you know like going through the footage quickly that you're like oh that's like what it is so when we roll up into room 17 and it's like ding ding like here let's go

[00:48:34] that was super wild it was crazy i will say soul cleansed all of us before we left too so we were clear so if you do a paranormal investigation make sure you like cleanse yourself before you leave you know people have sent me um stuff crystals um palo santo things and i don't know how to use them

[00:49:00] so i'm like i'm just gonna make this worse and i remember watching a couple of videos on like how you're supposed to do it and i'm like there's no way like i'm gonna mess it up like no i don't think so if you're like if you're smudging your your like place just like keep like windows open like open open doors open windows so like the bad stuff has like somewhere to go because if not you're just basically chasing it around your house so which there's there's a there's a story that has become

[00:49:28] like very infamous that we that i covered a few months ago about this woman trina who went to gettysburg and went on a ghost tour with her husband and was not respectful and was like the actual worst taunting ghost yeah and like taunting the ghost and be like we're gonna bring it home as a souvenir it's fine and her husband's like don't say that like don't don't be saying that and then it 100 happened and then she was trying to like like justify it as something else but it was

[00:49:58] like no girl none of this was happening before you did like but they said that they tried to to like cleanse their hotel room but that because they didn't know how to do it they didn't open any of the doors or windows so that basically they were just like chasing around the entity in in their room and it just it didn't go anywhere so that's like the big thing i would say open a window and make sure you get it out like kind of like sweeping yeah just like you know do

[00:50:24] like a little prayer a little like you know clearing this space yeah what about the crystals what do the crystals do or what are they for they're all like different like they all have different properties and stuff yeah that's like a whole yeah i remember when i was searching into it it was like a there was textbooks on this kind of thing oh yeah oh yeah um yeah no i was i was like you know what i'm gonna save it for later uh but thank you and um i was also worried because you don't know who's sending

[00:50:51] it to you you don't know like well see that's why you gotta you gotta smudge it when you get it so you smudge it yeah and then you get the palo santo cleanse that not with that palo santo that they said but like with another one you do it with another one yeah yeah okay okay i don't know still i'm tempted to to do something like maybe not because i'm not too familiar with like spiritual kind of things but um sure i do i'm fascinated by like history of places of you know haunted locations

[00:51:19] like that and like some of the i guess now i'm starting to believe more in like energies and things that stay in a certain place but also these unexplainable things like like for example the coincidence thing we're like hey somebody touched my feet but really there was that happened to be a story about that being told so then is it really a coincidence that's what gets me like i got i got you know chills right now even your story it's hard you saw somebody and then when you asked about it

[00:51:45] they had the exact description and they're like yeah you saw this guy that's what got me that's that's what got me plus like after that after the whole with the light flickering thing it turns out they had a paranormal event like as in something that actually happened where all of the lights were like unscrewed from the restaurant except they're really hard to get into they're like inside of a cup kind of holder so there's no way to like really get in and like twist it you have to do with your fingers

[00:52:09] kind of like twist yeah yeah um and it just it didn't all of them were were interested like that and um they couldn't figure out why they called an electrician they couldn't figure it out and then it turns out like hey somebody unscrewed these like how who would do that the guard is the only one who's allowed there um and the lights were kind of like on and off you know flickering on and off so they say that that's kind of like what what happened but even that i was like oh so that also has an explanation plus even before that they had a they built this dome kind of thing speaking of spiritual

[00:52:39] stuff they built this um it's called temazcal i'm not sure if you're familiar with it it's like a supposed to be a place where you get cleansed and it's like a sweat lodge okay but they built like oh yeah i've been in one of those yeah yeah i've never tried it but like this guy came in and he saw it he's like hey you guys got to clean that and uh the staff was listening they were like oh dang like you gotta clean but they're like no no no you have to you have to clean it like you have to cleanse it uh because people come in they do their rituals or whatever and the dark stuff stays in

[00:53:06] there and they say that that's why all these things were happening around there because it built that and all these things were there we never really cleansed it i didn't we the guy the owner was just a you know he wanted to make money he he tried to even dress up the guard as like a shaman to perform ayahuasca believe it or not and i was like that's not something you just casually do on the roof of the building no no no that's such a bad idea yeah i was like there is no way there is

[00:53:31] no way i'm like somebody stripping you know they go hop over the edge yeah a butterfly like there's no no way and um but that guy he was like that so i don't doubt it maybe he even had something to do with it you know because he seemed kind of like that oh who cares like we'll just you know make money off of that but um he's got that all these things yeah all these things that seem like coincidences they usually when you really dig deep like you start finding little things like when um i don't

[00:54:00] know somebody's being too sensitive or being sensitive to paranormal stuff or like they feel like they're cursed or something's following them sometimes during our call like when i have calls with people and they tell me their stories we dig a little bit and they're like oh yeah it turns out my grandma was into this kind of stuff and i've covered a couple stories from from mexico and they have to do with like end up having to do with like you know that they have to do like an egg cleanse

[00:54:28] which i'd never heard of before and then it's like it's you know the curandera being like if you go to this person's house and you look under this thing there's going to be a thing that you're going to find there and then it's there it's there yeah that's the that's what gets me these things that can't be they can't be coincidences um there's there's pictures that get found in grave sites i've heard stories of you know pictures in a bottle in a jar in a grave site or like dirt being found in shoes and those things and happens that the dirt is from

[00:54:58] a grave site and when you step on basically you're cursing yourself to die um all these creepy things and and the stories get really dark i feel like especially like for me when i listen to story for mexico they're completely different like they're just sure like witchcraft like you know you guys in salem for example learning about all you know experiencing all these things when we talk witches what we call like gringa witches well hopefully that's not offensive accurate yeah how do we got witches versus like

[00:55:27] mexican witches we're like yeah which now like the the equivalent would be like a nazi witch yeah there you go we're like they're so different like they're one of them's like very nature very moonlight and and seasons and sometimes you know what they call potions and sometimes hexes and stuff and then in mexico you have like family members like the the mother-in-law was in love with the girl's

[00:55:51] husband and uh wanted her own daughter to you know suffer or whatever because she wanted to be with stuff like that and then they do things and then they end up going away the children end up dying and you're like are these real like oh i don't know the whole witch thing i think that's my biggest fear brujas like witches yeah for sure 100 that's why even the yeah witches man yeah the whole this is why i

[00:56:17] tie i don't know why but i'm obviously the trials right but i tie salem to witches and witchcraft and i'm i don't know if i'll ever be there also um like just like new orleans is tied to um voodoo right yeah yeah but it's interesting because like new orleans for instance it's like it's also like a very catholic city so there is this like dichotomy of like both things at the same time like it's very spiritual and it's very like tied to voodoo but it's also like very catholic like even their their

[00:56:45] um football team is the saints right oh um then they're safe but there's a lot of i there's a lot of energy in new orleans like in a way that i've never experienced anywhere else and i i there's a a show that i listen to where one of the hosts is from louisiana maybe new orleans um but he says he's like yeah when when you go to new orleans like you feel like someone's watching you because they are

[00:57:13] like because something is watching you and it's that's definitely accurate like yeah i love new orleans it's one of my favorite places in the world but there is like a a vibe there for sure yes goodness you know also they mix the the belief right they mix like folk beliefs with catholic um practices too sometimes when they're that close i know that happens a lot in in in mexico where you know the indigenous people they would practice certain things the spanish came along they try to

[00:57:42] bring on you know all these other beliefs and they ended up mixing them so now right we have grandmas and great grandmas practicing these things that were like whoa we're really freaked out by but really like they just learned them from you know they're just passed down little things like that you've been like that you know i heard of um a weird ritual that they do i mean weird for me because i've it's really strange but um they get a chicken or a rooster they do a cleanse with the rooster

[00:58:08] and um like as in rub it all over your body and stuff and then they have to kill it yeah and then they have to leave it like leave the the dead rooster in the corner of or like an intersection or something like that oh so you're walking around town and you spot dead roosters on the corner yeah i was already out when you said rub it over your body i was like no thank you and then it gets worse

[00:58:33] yeah yeah yeah i i know with like santeria there's like an initiation where that's a thing where they do like cut off like a chicken's head and then you have to like they pour the blood on you and you're like wearing all white it's a whole thing um goodness i mean it's like that i'm just kind of like i love that for you i think you know thank you i have an appointment like to get my nails done

[00:58:58] like in like 20 minutes i would so go with you like but i can't i'm sorry um 100 yeah there's just so much out there and imagine that's like what's what's around us right latin america north of all these things but like imagine all these other have you guys ever like traveled overseas to to investigate anything or to learn about no they do i mean we will cover like stories that are overseas but we we haven't gone yet because like there's stories from india there's stories from china that

[00:59:26] you're just like whoa like i mean they just i don't know i really want to i wish i knew some other language like that so i could just really talk to somebody but then you learn about all these other things like i've heard stories from um people in the military in the army that you know they were you know at war and they spotted they had like paranormal there's a podcast there's i mean there's a youtube channel called i think it's wartime stories wartime uh yeah wartime stories and uh they

[00:59:56] they just tell stories of strange paranormal things like that i'm like whoa there is no way because they're in strange lands right they're far away man all these things are just yeah we've definitely covered a couple of those couple of those i did op rock you did a military air force base yeah in in japan and that allegedly it was like the most haunted all this crazy stuff happened and and then i like uh my best friend from like 13 years old her husband was in the air force and i was like

[01:00:26] and he had told me he's like oh you know i have i have like an experience that that you know i've i've never told anyways like i've never even told my wife they've been married for like 20 years so he's like yeah i'll tell you sometime and then like fast forward sometime and then i randomly i'm like oh have you ever been to like kadena air force base and he's like that's the place where i had this experience yeah and then he shared it that it was like that he he saw like this like black mass and

[01:00:55] it just like came out of nowhere that he was like petrified for and again you sort of like people in the air force and this was when when uh you know he did like two tours in like iraq like this is a guy who's not you know he's not a wimp he's not a scaredy cat by any means yeah it's it's it's crazy like it's and you know and amy and i say all the time if we trust these people to like defend us defend

[01:01:20] our country why wouldn't we believe what they say that this is the experience they had you know yeah that's a good point it's like and if they're scared it's like it's like kind of when you're a kid and you're you see your parents get scared over something you're like oh yeah like it's just well yeah it's that thing of like being on an airplane like there's turbulence what do you do you look at you look at the flight attendant it's like she freaking out or she cool yeah she's cool then i could be cool she's freaking out then like you know we got to get right with god right now um

[01:01:50] goodness oh that'll get me like that that just i like even learning like have you ever heard of like gins and all these stories yes yeah i did a story on a gin yeah this is amy covered a story that is like one of my favorite is it out amy ever yeah that's a few years ago okay i gotta find it yeah we'll send it to you it's one of my favorite stories ever that amy's covered or that anyone that

[01:02:16] either of us have covered it was it was great it was crazy like just like a quick like what what happened just like a good look it up so i mean it no spoilers no spoilers i would say like trigger warning kind of it had to do with um a young boy he was probably a teenager who was like trying to die by suicide and it came the story came from a caseworker who was working on his case

[01:02:44] and i was there when it happened and was there when it happened so the teenager runs into the bathroom and locks the door and like starts to drink bleach and the caseworker ran after him is trying the door the door is 100 locked and he like basically just like thinks so hard he's like

[01:03:11] i have to get to him or he is going to die and the door opens and the boy is on the floor it unlocks he feels it unlock and the boy is on the floor across the room nowhere near the door i got all the chills again amy the story's so good it's so crazy and they they he ends up saving

[01:03:31] him but yeah he felt the door unlock and there no one was anywhere close to it yeah dude okay i gotta check that out and there's even like theories that they're like you know that i was like oh because i guess it was like something that there was like a gin that was like tied to their family yeah i can't remember something like that yeah like why they they thought that it was that it could have been a gin but then so there was like a skeptic being like well it could be telekinesis i'm like

[01:04:00] guess what that's awesome too that's paranormal yeah that's the skeptical reasoning yeah well that's that's too freaky and i don't know all these things there's so much stuff we don't know i always tell people i'm like yeah it would be really dumb to say that we know everything we just don't we don't know 100 we i i was at i think i mentioned this to you amy that i was at uh like

[01:04:26] getting like a bite somewhere like at a bar recently and the bartender was saying i said the bartender like one of the people seated was that their kid is afraid of the ocean i'm like that sound actually because we know more about space than we do about the oceans on our planet you should absolutely be freaked out now am i always going to go to the beach absolutely i love the beach but i know

[01:04:50] i'm in their i'm literally i'm in their territory yeah so if like some monster that has been claimed you know that they claimed was eradicated or like you know died off of like evolution like no one's seen it like a thousand years comes up and wants to have a little monique nibble yeah oh well no no i'm telling you like i i was saying this to someone recently the ocean and the

[01:05:18] woods it's it's stand your ground laws like like if if like we're going into their living room and they're like who are you yeah it's true it's true same same if if some rando came into my living where i'd be like uh no absolutely not get the out of here get out of here oh no no no like seeing all those things are completely different than from where i grew up i mean i never really spent time

[01:05:44] in the woods as a kid or at all oh no me neither absolutely not absolutely mountains or anything like that or the beach at night i was like no and that didn't do that i mean have you heard of like uh apalachia and the mimics yes yeah yes oh and all those stories if you didn't need another reason to not go in the woods there it is yep yeah no and you know what i used to have dreams as a kid

[01:06:10] um of surviving in the woods i it used to be like a constant like thing where i would be like trying to collect canned food and like putting in a backpack and i'm like okay i need to i need to make it and i would i'm like i've never been there i never even i would must have been like five or six or seven some i was like obsessed with it with like making my own lures to fish and stuff and i'm like how my parents like they're not fisher like they're not into fishing like this weird stuff and the whole

[01:06:38] when i first started finding out all these stories about apalachia and everything i was like no yep this is why no for me dog no they say that it's one of the oldest places in like on earth i guess because it was like some type of geo formation like way from way back yeah like ley lines allegedly or something yeah no i'm i'm curious about it but yeah no i've heard too many stories not

[01:07:04] not curious enough to go around and find out no to go whistling in the woods in appalachia no thank you there's people that live out there i'm like how do you do that oh i don't know they know the rules yeah yeah yeah if you if you heard someone call your name no you didn't heard a whistling no you did not yep that was the rules of appalachia no no no i will i will

[01:07:27] just stick to my uh urban areas we're right there with you concrete jungles 100 percent oh man it's been so wonderful having you thank you so much for joining us oh thanks a lot amy and monique this is really fun really really cool great way for me to get into the whole halloween yes yes and seriously edwin you ever you ever decided to dip that toe in into like a paranormal

[01:07:57] investigation situation hit us up we're there i will i'll do that but hey we gotta stick with it if they say hey we're going to the sally house or some type of thing like that i'm gonna call you yeah let's go if you're down okay we're in let's go there's there's safety in numbers i'm not doing it by myself but if it's like a group of us four four more yeah okay it's all right we're good we can get haunted together you guys it'll be beautiful it'll be a bonding experience it'll be cool all right

[01:08:26] i'll i guess i'd do it i guess if if it was a group thing i think that changes it i don't know why i always imagine it by myself i think that's why i'm like nope yeah no that's nuts no that's not alone no okay where can the people find you if they want to find you online yeah you can find uh paranormal club uh by searching for it on youtube paranormal club pod that's the channel that i have and it's also on the website paranormalclub.com that's like the website you can find all the

[01:08:54] socials there and everything so thanks a lot by the way this is really cool really really fun and yeah best best to to you guys and and continue success in the whole horror horror stuff that's out there thank you thank you have a great spooky season you too see you on the other side bye bye bye