Did music influence the death of young people during the Satanic Panic of the 80s? Are we being fed information without us knowing?
We look at this and more in today's episode on subliminal messaging. From government conspiracies, to actual clips of music with hidden meanings, we hit all the tough topics. You ready?
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Is it possible to change the minds of people through
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messaging that's hidden? Like if we send this ray of like
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thought to kind of make a person be like, I'm going to buy more
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burgers from McDonald's. Or how about this?
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Can devil worshippers use the power of like music to get us to
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listen to their devil worshipping ways?
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Or how about this one? Can a song kill us?
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This episode is going to be all about subliminal messaging.
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We, we were talking about making a new, like a new idea for an
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episode. And I, I mentioned like, how
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about like subliminal messaging in music and stuff, like, you
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know how you get all these things?
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And yeah, I actually got messages on all this stuff about
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like Disney trying to promote things or like hide words in the
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background or their their animations, other things about
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like SpongeBob and like all these, all these things that are
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coming are coming down. But there's some some that I was
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like, these are super weird. Like why are people putting the
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word? Oh, by the way, by the way,
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content warning, content warning.
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Sorry, this is a little bit late in in in the episode, but this
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episode has mentions of people that have banded their own
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existence in the planet. Also mention of drugs, some
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sexual wording stuff and we're talking about like heavy metal
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just for music and stuff. So it also mentions of like the
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devil and like stuff like that. So but I just wanted to give you
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a heads up about that. It's, it's slight mention of it
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so it doesn't get too graphic in there, but it's that any who,
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'cause I was saying there was so much content in there and I'm
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like, why do animators in movies do this kind of thing?
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But it was weird. It was so weird to find out that
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all this stuff is real and it's there.
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You can go into the original like DHS, the original DVD's or
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whatever and they're there. Like the messaging or the
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images, they're actually there pretty strange.
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But so I did take a bunch of notes.
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There's a lot of us, there's a lot of stuff to to go through in
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here. So we're just going to get
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started. First off, there is this kind of
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a, a personal story. We used to go to church back in
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the day, back when we were going to, I guess Catholic Church.
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I really practice anymore I don't really do.
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I don't know why you can't say practice.
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Is it, is it practice or religion or performer?
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Really? I used to go to church with my
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parents and this was in Huntington Park, CA.
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I remember the priest there. It was actually kind of
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entertaining. Like he used to make jokes and
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like it was a, it was a good time kind of right.
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And one of the things that he ended up telling us, you're kind
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of like the end that really got me hooked in there, like was the
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story of an exorcism that he did and that he couldn't believe
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what he had seen. Now this is trying to
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demonstrate that there are dark forces out there, right?
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And he says that he went into this room and that the mother of
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this teenage guy wore was having a tough time because they were
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basically going through like objects removing they were
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hearing sounds around the house. So he went in there and he found
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a lot of like heavy metal music, like dark rock.
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Is that a is that a thing? I don't know.
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And he said that when he was going in there and breaking the
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C DS, you would hear grunting and, like, deep voices coming
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from within the walls. Me being what, 11-12 years old
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something. I was like, you're you're
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hearing like somebody that you go listen to week after week,
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right? And he's he's talking about this
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stuff matter of factly, like, yeah.
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And I couldn't believe that this happens, but yet I knew that
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these things existed. I guess this is what you're
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saying, right? I thought it was strange.
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I thought it was like music is doing that.
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And by the by the way, at the time, I don't know if it was
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then or maybe a little bit later.
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I might have been in high school.
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I'm not sure. No, it was probably before that,
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but I was listening to like Weezer, the Fray, Lifehouse, I
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don't know. Simple plan, very simple plan
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not I think that was over already Blink 182, Green Day,
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that kind of thing. And I'm like, is that Hard Rock?
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Later on I found out he doesn't right?
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Or I might might have some songs that are more grunge from I
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guess from the Weezer time. Still, that's kind of stretch
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either way. Either way, when I learned about
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music having that kind of power and I thought it was strange,
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right? So I ended up after researching
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all this stuff and I tried to find out if it was dark, ended
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up finding all these other tracks from like other classic
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rock bands that it play backwards, show hidden messages.
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And that's how it was. Supposedly that's how it was.
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That's how I heard about Stairway to Heaven, Ozzy
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Osbourne, Rest in Peace, His his music and and one song in
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particular was pretty dark. Supposedly there was, there was
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so much, there was so much stuff.
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So there's a couple of cases actually, including Ozzy
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Osbourne music, one of one of his songs that's actually went
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to trial because of a thing that, I mean, I barely learned
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about. I mean, I had heard the phrasing
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before. Satanic panic.
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Satanic Panic sounds really creepy.
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Turns out in the 80s, he had Christians and concerned parent
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groups saying that rock music was hiding subliminal messaging
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that was making their teenagers do drugs, bad things, right?
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And they were concerned about it.
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And you would hear, like Chris Schiff, like people up on stage
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going Satanic, Satan go to go to Satan or whatever.
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Did you guys hear that? This is the actual vinyl.
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There's a clip on of that actually, but I got it all
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wrong, right. But you can hear like he tells
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you, did you did anybody else hear that?
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And you're like, I kind of heard that.
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I kind of heard that. And it made me wonder like this
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one makes me wonder maybe to wonder you have other people
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from churches talking about this and it got freaky.
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Then court cases of parents suing artists because their
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music made people take their own lives.
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So this is the case of Judas Priest.
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The trial from 1990 from the song Better by You Better Than
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Me. Actually this was a cover.
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I'm not sure if it's on here, but like this was a cover from
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another band called Spooky Tooth.
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But anyway, here's what happened, right?
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So in 1990, Judas Priest faced this lawsuit basically in
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Nevada, 2 teens. Turns out Ray Belknap, who was
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only 18 years old, and James Vance, who was 20, made a pact
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that they were going to end their own lives.
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They actually grabbed the shotgun and went out to the IT
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was like from what I read in the actual article that was doing
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like a whole analysis on the song.
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They went to like the back of a church.
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That's where they try to end their lives And who Ray
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actually, the younger one died right away.
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The other one was completely disfigured.
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He actually ended up dying three years later.
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He survived initially. So he was kind of like the ones
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I was talking about what actually happened and why they
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they did that. And they said that listening to
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Judas Priest and alcohol and drugs.
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They, I mean, they were smoking weed, I think, and it had an
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effect, like it had this effect on them.
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So that's why they, they decided to, to go through with that
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pretty difficult stuff to even listen to, right?
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Especially you, if you're the, the, the, you know, the young
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man's parents, you're, you're like, what's up with this?
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So they sued the actual artist and they said that there were
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these messages in the music that said do it.
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But here's what it says, right? So that trial lasted three whole
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weeks. And it cost the band 1/4 of
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$1 to defend themselves against this.
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And it turns out that the, the messages that were in there,
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they, they, they were saying that, you know, this is all free
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speech and stuff. But it turns out it's not really
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considered free speech if you're trying to put subliminal
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messaging in there. It's just weird blurry area.
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I don't know if you have any, any lawyers in here, please let
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me know what's up with that Because anyway, I'll go into
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this one to talk about another song.
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But it was the first time that they actually carry through with
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something like this. And it eventually they, they
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actually brought out some examples of the song and they're
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like reversing and playing all these, these music.
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And they could they could hear that there were other messages
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in there, but they're kind of dumb.
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Like as in there's one that says, Hey, ma, my chair is
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broken. Give me a peppermint and help me
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keep a job. So they couldn't really hear the
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the do it part. But I mean, you know, still,
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still the whole thing. I mean, yeah, sounds a little
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strange, right to talk about it like this when you think about
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it from like the parents angle, losing their children.
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Basically, they they're trying to find a reason, right?
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They're trying to find a why would you do this?
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Like why did you why? So anything's valid at that
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point, right? Like you're I can kind of
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understand that like they did, they have to find a reason why
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this happened, even though it might have been just a vague do
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it in there. Turns out I actually went
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through the song. I couldn't really find that
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specific thing and I looked up analysis of trying to find that,
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like people would try to find that.
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It's still pretty blurry. Like it's not really you can't
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you have to try really hard to to get the the duet part.
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But it turns out that dark music like this, just like scary
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stories in horror movies sometimes feel very soothing to
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somebody who's going through depression or going through
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something rough, you know, in in their lives.
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So I actually thought like it makes sense why somebody would
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listen to do metal or like really heavy, like dark death
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metal or whatever it it would make sense my you you can kind
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of connect with that kind of thing.
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So I also mentioned Ozzy Osbourne in this right and Ozzy
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Osbourne they they have this song.
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It was Co written actually by Ozzy Osbourne, Bob Bob Daisley
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and Randy Rhodes and solutions actually referring to alcohol
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like the actual like, you know, from Cam class, like a solution.
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And it was intended as in part as a kind of a warning by ACD CS
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Bon Scott who drank himself to death basically.
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And they wrote that. And there's some lines in the
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sauna. This isn't some type of
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subliminal thing. This is an actual line from the
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song. It says wine is fine, but
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whiskey's quicker. Suicide is slow with liquor.
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I guess you like kind of hear it.
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All right. So during the 80s I mentioned
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that there was a thing called the Satanic Panic, right?
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And now during those times, there was a lot of the demons.
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The devil was everywhere, basically in music and artwork
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and places and stuff. People were doing satanic
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rituals everywhere. And like, this is the reason why
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murders happened and people were getting possessed and like
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everything was blamed on that. This wasn't the 80s, right?
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It's not even that, that, that long ago, but still it was
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everywhere. And there's, there's basically,
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that's what they call it a panic because everybody was like, oh,
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oh, there's all this stuff everywhere.
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So all these artists started doing this thing called back
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masking. I think that's the that's the
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word for it, basically recording stuff so that you can play it
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backwards and it kind of says a, a thing that Satanic messages
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were making it into popular music and Stairway to Heaven,
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all these other songs, right? And other artists were like, all
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right, let's make fun of this. So they would put their own
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stuff in there. And that's how we ended up.
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But there's a lot of these, right?
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But like there was one that freaky creeped me out because
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why would you put this here? This is Fire on High and the
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name of the song Fire on High? And here's what it says like
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check this out. turn back, turn back, turn back,
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turn back, turn back. That is so creepy to like.
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What does that? Mean well, it turns out they
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were just making fun of it. I guess they were.
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But it turns out that that message is actually really
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creepy. Music is reversible, reversible,
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but time is not Turn back, turn back, turn back.
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That sounds you know, it's like they're making fun of it still
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like that's really creepy. Moving on Stairway to heaven.
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Obviously we need to have this one in here.
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But once you hear it, you can unhear it.
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But I also want you to hear some of the other parts of that song
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because obviously you're going to think everything is evil.
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People did that thing when they played.
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Darn it, I opened up the wrong video.
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But I also want you to listen to some of the other parts.
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Like check this other part out. See there?
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It says some. I would say like those messages
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sound kind of Christian, but then here's the famous one.
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Once you hear that part, here's to my sweet Satan.
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Like you, you can't you can't unhear it.
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Even though it might have all been made-up.
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You can't unhear like now it's there.
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You can't hear what is being played normally, right?
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But like, still, it's Yeah, that's creepy.
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Here's a fun one. Another one bites the dust by
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Queen. Just check this one out.
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This is interesting. Another one bust the dust.
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Another one bust the dust. Another one bust the dust.
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Hey, hey, Another one. Bust the dust.
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Is that what it's trying to say? Is that trying to send us a
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message? All right, so in digging around
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for more and more of this music, I obviously, obviously bumped
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into The Beatles. Now, I've listened to a lot of
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Beatles songs, but I'm not like a hardcore fan.
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Like I know Oscar, my friend from college, he absolutely
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loved The Beatles, collected their stuff, memorabilia or
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whatever, knew all pretty much every song.
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But I was more like, I mean, yeah, that sound cool.
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I really like Revolution. I don't even know that counts.
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You also bring out boring pretty fast.
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But I mean, I can kind of see it.
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I also talked to people saying that they're kind of overrated.
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But really, I'm like, I think we just had to be there.
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Like, at the time, kind of like what I said about the The Blair
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Witch Project, that you just kind of have to be there to live
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the whole hysteria of it. Otherwise, it's just like, I
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like The Beatles, right? Turns out though, I did, I have
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something that's made me really dig into them, into their their
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history or whatever. And that's the Paul is dead
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theory, the conspiracy. Now, who was Paul?
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Actually? Who are The Beatles for those,
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you know, for those of us, for those of us who are super young,
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actually, for those for those who might not know, know who
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they are, right. So actually look this up so I
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can so I can tell you without messing it up too hard.
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So The Beatles were banned from the 60s.
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That's where they were formed. They're actually from England
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and composed of John Lennon, Paul Mccart.
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I don't even know why everything is right.
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John Harrison, Ringer, Starr. And they got pretty famous
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really fast. They ended up selling million,
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like hundreds of millions of records all over the world.
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And they broke up 10 years later in 1970.
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And they they modified a lot of things like put their own style
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fashion, like they just it was it was a whole movement.
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It was like, imagine a Taylor Swift but cooler.
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That's how I would describe it. It's like this phenomenon.
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Maybe like more more like more like, I guess like a movement
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like K pop. I don't even I think I'm behind
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all the times. But anyway, they, the theory
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here was that Paul from the band was actually dead and had been
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replaced like that. That's weird.
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He had been replaced by someone else, and supposedly proof of
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that was in their music. Is it true?
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Do you believe it? Here's some stuff that supports
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it, right? So here's one of the clues,
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right? Abbey Road, which is one of
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their, this came out of 1969, right?
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The cover had funeral imagery I actually detailed here on here
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with John was a preacher, Ringo was the undertaker, Paul was a
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corpse, and George was a gravedigger.
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So were they hinting at this, that the real Paul was actually
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dead? So let's continue, right?
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So in the Sergeant Pepper album you can see there's another
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funeral scene with a floral arrangement.
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Paul arrangement, You have to see it.
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There's a crowd of witnesses. Drum is reading I won nine.
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He die if you mirror, if you mirror it.
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So you're going to have to. I don't, I don't.
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You know this. When you're looking for answers
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like that, is he actually dead? You're going to look up stuff
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like this. People are very dedicated with
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this stuff and they hint the clues go on, right?
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And and the, the white elbow revolution 9 backwards, the
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number 9 #9 sounds a lot like turn me on, turn me on, all
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right, Turn me on dead man. And people were like, that's it
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turn me on dead man like that's it's proof he's dead.
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Then a day in the life from 1967.
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The lyric says that that one of the lyrics say he blew his mind
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out of a car. He blew his mind out in a car.
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He's talking about Paul's car crash and Glass Onion.
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This is an interesting one because Lenin, they're actually
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talking about all these other songs that they made, right?
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And John Lennon here says it kind of says here's another clue
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for there's a lyric here. Here's another clue for you all.
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The walrus was Paul. I mean, they were in it.
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They were going in into the whole conspiracy year.
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Then in Magical Mystery Tour from 1967, the booklet, Paul is
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shown wearing a black carnation while others were red.
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It was kind of a death symbol. Also some back masking in.
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I'm so tired now. This one's creepy mumble
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gibberish. When you put it backwards.
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He says Paul is a dead man. Miss him, miss him, miss him.
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Let's listen to that one. And then here's the stuff about
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the car crash. Right.
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They said that supposedly Paul died in November 1966 and it was
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replaced by this look alike William Billy Campbell.
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Was he actually dead? Do you think Michael Jackson is
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dead or is he going to like show up like on your inner window?
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Like good. I remember that from like the
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other podcast scary ways to surprise.
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Michelle is terrified of Michael Jackson and like, jeez, I kind
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of get it. I kind of get it.
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Shout out to Michael Jackson's fans or Michael Jackson, if
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you're still alive, you're watching this.
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All right, so that's as far as like music.
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That's all of our music stuff. Here is some of the movies like
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here's obviously we have to mention the Exorcist.
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The Exorcist had now it looks a little silly if I re watched it
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for this and it looks a little silly but I bet it was creepy as
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heck when it first came out. There are certain scenes that
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show a demon's face right there like kind of appearing and
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disappearing. I mean if you're watching video
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you'll be able to see it. If not just imagine this really.
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It's like a flash of an image, like a face that pops up in, for
00:23:50
example, there's a scene where there is a woman hears noises or
00:23:55
hears something is calling out to somebody, kind of the,
00:23:58
there's a kitchen scene. And very like I would say it's
00:24:03
not too, too, too big of a face, but it kind of shows up and
00:24:05
disappears in the, in the film and it doesn't take up the whole
00:24:08
screen like that game. I don't even play that.
00:24:10
Have you ever you got tricked into playing that one game
00:24:13
online back in the in when the Internet was young, you were
00:24:17
playing, all of a sudden the space would pop up.
00:24:20
It wasn't like that. It was like this tiny face that
00:24:22
would disappear. And that was the messaging,
00:24:25
supposedly it was to scare you. So like it's building up and
00:24:28
like I can actually imagine in the theaters, you kind of see
00:24:30
you're like, whoa. And then you just go back into
00:24:33
the movie because obviously you can't step out of the movie too
00:24:35
much. Like I said, you can't get out
00:24:37
of the story. So it's just kind of like, whoa,
00:24:39
you kind of hear an audience doing that kind of thing.
00:24:41
Fight Club right where obviously, and if you've seen
00:24:44
that movie, I actually saw a long time ago, but I remember
00:24:48
the the the glitches, what I thought were glitches and we can
00:24:51
actually see right there Tyler appearing and like disappearing.
00:24:55
I don't want to spoil it if you haven't watched it yet, but it
00:24:59
took me a while to like remember because that that was an old,
00:25:02
old, old. I thought I always called it a
00:25:04
book, but they're they're doing that with intention to like show
00:25:08
you something that's coming up or something that's like to
00:25:11
scare you a little bit more. I found some more messaging.
00:25:15
This one's a little stranger. It obviously you guys probably
00:25:19
know about the Disney stuff, right?
00:25:20
This show like a penis under the sea.
00:25:24
Some also in the clouds and and some movie.
00:25:27
You see the word SEX, right? They're all huge.
00:25:30
You hear the teenagers take off their clothes in Aladdin, I
00:25:33
think. Come.
00:25:36
On good tears, take off. Is it that I don't know what
00:25:45
movie it is, but like imagine that like they should say that
00:25:48
you can hear it's there, It's there, but I found some more
00:25:52
aside from that, this is a very hidden movie.
00:25:54
Actually had to look up what it was you you might have seen it
00:25:58
actually, like IA lot of people for I don't think this is
00:26:01
Disney, but I remember fivefold goes West.
00:26:03
I got that movie for free. I think they were giving it away
00:26:05
a Burger King or something and and I really like that movie,
00:26:09
but like not nobody knows about it.
00:26:12
But this one a lot of people happen to know about the
00:26:15
rescuers in it. I ended up watching one of the
00:26:18
clips in there because it was this hidden thing in there.
00:26:24
Turns out there were boobs like like an actual like an image of
00:26:30
this topless woman in the windows when there there's a
00:26:34
scene with her falling between buildings and in one of the
00:26:37
windows you can see it and it's not even in one frame.
00:26:39
It's in 2. So it's not even like, oh, we
00:26:42
messed up as like and it moves with like as you're falling the
00:26:45
windows there and then the characters are falling and then
00:26:48
the windows a little higher up in the building and the same
00:26:50
image is there. So like it's moving and you can
00:26:53
see it. It's blurry enough so that it
00:26:55
it's still allowed to show up on YouTube, but it's it's there.
00:26:59
Disney actually admitted it and they had to recall like millions
00:27:06
of these VHSVHS tapes because it had that in there.
00:27:13
Now I wonder how do you even stumble upon like, yeah,
00:27:18
probably have to like pause it like by have pure chance pause
00:27:22
it while they're falling down this building.
00:27:24
So you can see that supposedly. I don't know if this is true but
00:27:30
there was a boy who saw it and told his mom about it.
00:27:33
The mom was like what and called Disney and was like this is
00:27:36
there so cost Disney all that money to replace the VHS tapes
00:27:41
and or recall that maybe give people their money back.
00:27:44
I don't know how that worked, but imagine that.
00:27:50
Why would you? Because it doesn't even fit as a
00:27:52
as a cartoon. Like it would make sense if it
00:27:54
was like a cartoon topless mouse or whatever, but it's a human
00:28:01
like a picture of like, jeez people, man, I bet the animators
00:28:06
probably get bored, right, of doing the same thing over and
00:28:08
over. They're just like, let's just
00:28:09
put this in there and then you're up with that costing
00:28:12
people a lot of money. Also, this isn't actually a
00:28:17
subliminal messaging, but it is showing the power of messaging.
00:28:22
And this is from the UK, the public service announcement that
00:28:26
was, it's called Dark and Lonely Water.
00:28:31
And this is super creepy. I actually looked up the actual
00:28:33
transcript so I can read it for you people.
00:28:38
Turns out in the UK, kids were falling into ponds, little lakes
00:28:43
and stuff and they were drowning and there was all like accident
00:28:47
kind of things because it's like you get in there and then there
00:28:51
might be like, I don't know, cables, wire, a car, something
00:28:55
in underwater and you get kind of stuck in there in your, you
00:28:57
drown enough kids that died that they decided to make a public
00:29:02
service service announcement. This is what it said.
00:29:05
Now imagine this imagery kind of thing.
00:29:06
I'm going to do my best here. There is this hooded black
00:29:11
figure that symbolizes death and it's kind of behind in the
00:29:16
scene. There are some kids playing by
00:29:19
the water. Maybe they drop something and
00:29:22
try to fish it out with a stick. One of those like leaning in
00:29:24
there to try to get it and it's slippery.
00:29:28
They're about the one of them is about to fall.
00:29:29
And otherwise imagine that kind of scene, right?
00:29:31
And it's old. Imagine like an old DHSC kind of
00:29:35
old footage, like as in I guess for our our cool kids today,
00:29:40
Imagine 144 P quality on YouTube.
00:29:45
I don't know. Here's what I said.
00:29:48
I am the spirit of dark and lonely water, ready to trap the
00:29:53
unwary, the show offs, the foolhardy.
00:29:57
This is the kind of place you'd expect to find me, but no one
00:30:00
expects to find me here, watching, waiting for a silly
00:30:05
show off. The bank is slippery.
00:30:09
The show off is in the water. The show off is drowned.
00:30:13
This branch is weak. Frightened by the way, in this
00:30:15
part like this branch is weak. Run.
00:30:17
Did you see this boy grabbing onto a branch and it's kind of
00:30:21
like a but it's about to break and he's kind of leaning into
00:30:23
the water to get something out. Branch is weak.
00:30:27
Run. It'll never take his weight.
00:30:30
Only a fool would ignore this. The boy is drowned.
00:30:35
But wait, sensible children. I have no power over them.
00:30:42
And and then the kids kind of like they show like some footage
00:30:46
of like the kids being OK in the end and in the closing mind says
00:30:50
this is the spirit of the dark and lonely water.
00:30:53
And this is what could happen if you are not careful.
00:31:00
Creepy dude. Like, OK.
00:31:01
I also remember back in my parents used to watch TV in
00:31:06
Spanish and there was this message that would always come
00:31:08
up maybe like at 10:00 PM or something.
00:31:11
It's like, so unless maybe like 11 or something, it would be
00:31:14
like some Las Dias de la noche who stayed sabe Don de Stan
00:31:18
sousi host or something like that.
00:31:21
Basically it's 10 at night. Do you know where your children
00:31:24
are? Because kids first all this
00:31:28
curfew, but also maybe they were causing trouble.
00:31:30
So I was another PSA, another public service announcement.
00:31:33
Do you know where your children are?
00:31:34
Like make sure they're home, make sure they're home.
00:31:41
Harsh messaging, I mean, scary effective, but still kind of
00:31:45
like why it's pretty, I don't know.
00:31:49
It's intense. It's intense.
00:31:51
That kind of idea, that kind of messaging can get you to change
00:31:54
your behavior, right? Which brings up another thing
00:31:58
too. I actually found some government
00:32:01
kind of things which were experiments on subliminal
00:32:07
messaging, trying to get the enemy to change your behaviour.
00:32:13
There was there was a few obvious obvious like let me see
00:32:16
if I could find find the thing here.
00:32:17
The Moscow signal was one of them.
00:32:20
They actually try to they experimented on actual like
00:32:25
staff from the embassy about this stuff.
00:32:29
And it turns out that over 2 decades Soviet intelligence
00:32:32
supposedly being the microwave radiation at the US embassy in
00:32:35
Moscow. Now, nobody told the diplomats
00:32:39
for that long, right? And when the Americans found
00:32:42
out, they they were like, instead of being like, why would
00:32:46
you do that? They opened up their own
00:32:47
research about do microwaves, not like microwave where you
00:32:51
heat up food, but like waves, you know, can they do that?
00:32:55
Can I make them tired? Can I make people change their
00:32:58
moods? Maybe that possible.
00:33:03
They know. And that was back in the 1950s
00:33:08
and they actually went through like the 1970s.
00:33:11
So people were very interested in this kind of thing.
00:33:15
They were into like the whole spy kind of thing, like, oh, I'm
00:33:18
going to make you sleep and like press a button.
00:33:22
And like, maybe that was like what they were hoping for.
00:33:27
That's really, it's weird to think about, but imagine the
00:33:29
money, taxpayer money went into this kind of research.
00:33:33
I don't know, I don't know how I feel about that because it's
00:33:39
they're trying to control you, which brings up also, you know
00:33:44
what, there's another messaging thing that I found out and it's
00:33:46
it's the, the Vietnam during the Vietnam War, there was there
00:33:50
were these tapes that were recorded and played over and
00:33:52
over and over to U.S. soldiers. Like they're pretty much like
00:33:58
you're losing hope. Like I'll try to play some of
00:34:02
the some of the clips here. DI the government has abandoned
00:34:07
you. They have ordered you to die.
00:34:10
GI do not trust them defect. GI It is a very good idea to
00:34:18
live a sinking. Those are pretty intense.
00:34:21
And there were these other messages too.
00:34:22
Like, for example, there was one that I found from Iron Chef
00:34:25
America as they're playing the clip, like the playing the, the
00:34:31
actual show, you see McDonald's and then I'm loving it or
00:34:34
whatever. Like it just like an instant,
00:34:36
like it shows up and then it goes away.
00:34:38
Somebody actually caught it on. Like, you know, when you, you
00:34:40
record your TV or whatever and they, they, it's there, the
00:34:44
announcement is there. Then they, they made a whole
00:34:48
thing about it. They contacted McDonald's and
00:34:51
they're like, oh, that was a mistake.
00:34:52
I mean, that was an error. McDonald's does not use
00:34:56
subliminal messaging. I mean, might have been true.
00:35:02
I mean, can you really change your behaviour by like seeing a
00:35:07
little bits like for an instant? There's actually a book that I
00:35:12
found during the the research too that talked a lot about like
00:35:15
the history of subliminal messaging and its impact on how
00:35:19
it affects our shopping behaviour.
00:35:22
There was this one supposed experiment alleged supposed
00:35:28
there was this one experiment that they said that they did
00:35:32
where they said I think buy popcorn and Coca-Cola or
00:35:35
something during they would play like they would show the clip
00:35:40
like in an instant, like instant.
00:35:43
Like I'm saying like a split of a second during the movies.
00:35:47
And that's supposedly that brought up sales.
00:35:51
Eventually though, they they said, Oh no, I was just kidding.
00:35:53
Like that's not actual research. Like I was just kidding, but
00:35:58
still it it triggered the whole subliminal messaging thing.
00:36:01
Like what are you guys doing? Like why, why you like you
00:36:06
should this is this allowed? Like why are you doing that?
00:36:10
And also like during the Bush campaign, like in what, 2000 or
00:36:13
something? When was he president to 2000?
00:36:18
I don't know, I forgot, but yeah, this is yeah, 2000.
00:36:22
They, there was this part in, in one of the, you know, my name is
00:36:27
George Bush, W Bush. And, and I approved this
00:36:30
message. Like those, those commercials
00:36:33
they show when I say bureaucrats, they put rats like
00:36:38
all I've taken out the whole screen and it's like a split of
00:36:40
a second. So the rats supposedly was a
00:36:43
subliminal stuff. And they're like, you can't be
00:36:45
using subliminal messaging in messages to Americans.
00:36:50
And they said we didn't do that on purpose, but they still took
00:36:53
down the commercial. He just kind of shows you, like,
00:36:56
people do this kind of stuff, which brings up the whole new
00:36:59
TikTok thing. Now I want you to seriously,
00:37:03
seriously, just to think about this.
00:37:05
Do you really think that when people say like, I guess I don't
00:37:11
know what they were trying to explain in the messaging when
00:37:15
they were getting rid of TikTok in the United States, but I
00:37:19
think they just called it like a national security threat because
00:37:22
they have access to your data. What it actually is, is they
00:37:29
don't want China to have control over the message like messaging
00:37:36
that we get, I guess, in the United States.
00:37:38
Because in China, if if you say something critical about the
00:37:42
government, the algorithm kind of suppresses that a little bit.
00:37:45
So you can't see it doesn't spread that much.
00:37:49
I mean, it can still publish it, but like it won't spread.
00:37:52
They actually push whatever they feel like would benefit their
00:37:55
country. So the US doesn't want China to
00:38:00
have that power. Understandable, right?
00:38:04
Like I can, I understand the reasoning, but it also makes me
00:38:08
think, so who's controlling the messaging for us?
00:38:14
Because there's a lot of things that we have wrong.
00:38:17
Like a lot of things that we're like, we don't have the best
00:38:21
that we can get into the whole thing, but we don't have we're
00:38:23
not like the best country. And and they're still feeding us
00:38:28
all these messaging. Right?
00:38:30
When I'm outside out of the USI don't get that many ads on
00:38:33
YouTube. When I'm back, I'm saying
00:38:35
multiple, I even get the double and triple.
00:38:38
I don't even know triple, but like double ads on Instagram.
00:38:41
I'm just like, whoa, like guys, seriously, like so many ads.
00:38:45
You're going down the street and you see ad like step out into
00:38:48
the street, you're going to see ads.
00:38:49
Except for residential areas. You you don't see them that
00:38:52
often. But I mean, unless you live by a
00:38:53
freeway and like a billboard, but like they're everywhere,
00:38:56
everywhere. And I'm just like, you can't
00:38:58
watch anything. You listen to anything.
00:39:00
I think this is a good spot for an ad break.
00:39:03
I'm just, I'm just scared. Maybe I don't know.
00:39:05
Spotify does it automatically but it's insane and isn't ads
00:39:12
kind of aren't ads kind of subliminal messaging?
00:39:16
Like you're watching something that you like and then loop
00:39:19
here's an ad go to McDonald's for the new Mcrib is back or
00:39:23
whatever. That can't be considered
00:39:26
subliminal. I guess it's not subliminal but
00:39:27
it's still like very Thai like the messaging.
00:39:30
So aside from TikTok, all these other algorithms, like for
00:39:34
example, there was this really, really good YouTube video that I
00:39:38
watched and it talked about how you did this guy lived without
00:39:43
the the Spotify or music streaming services.
00:39:46
I'll show you what it is. I'll link to it too if you want
00:39:50
to see it. Basically he had to listen to
00:39:54
only music from CDs and records and stuff that his friends
00:39:57
recommended, and he was going to use this old iPod without an
00:40:00
algorithm. I don't know if you've ever had
00:40:02
one of these iPods, man, but those things were the best.
00:40:05
Like you could have your top 25. That means literally what you
00:40:08
played the most. And to make your top 25 list
00:40:10
like your your own personal one, no one had to see it.
00:40:12
Obviously people would they want to be nosy, they would open up
00:40:15
your iPod and they would see your top 25.
00:40:17
Notice that you're listening to Island in the Sun and you're
00:40:19
never going to defeat Island in the Sun.
00:40:21
But at least on my iPod, because I had played on repeat, like
00:40:24
even to fall asleep, but you could see that.
00:40:29
And those were the days, man. Like now, if you discover a new
00:40:34
cool song and you listen to it, eventually the algorithms bring
00:40:38
you back to what everyone else is listening to.
00:40:44
Like it just kind of naturally you just end up there.
00:40:46
You go again at the weekend in Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande
00:40:51
and everybody like you just come back to the same.
00:40:53
So not, I'm going to try to be cool here and be like, oh, indie
00:40:56
music and all that, but like they kind of end up back there
00:41:00
and it is just, it is what it is.
00:41:03
But is that kind of subliminal right now?
00:41:06
For example, right. Spotify, you see all these top
00:41:09
charts in there. So what do we do when it comes
00:41:12
down to all these things that we're getting right?
00:41:15
Like for example, politicians do this all the time with
00:41:18
repetition. There's actual playbook in how
00:41:21
to hypnotize. You hypnotize.
00:41:22
I don't even know it's called hypnotize.
00:41:24
But if you repeat the same messaging over and over and
00:41:27
over, it kind of loses its impact.
00:41:28
It kind of becomes true in our minds.
00:41:31
So how often have we heard messages about the devil?
00:41:36
Messages about, I don't know, evil stuff, drugs.
00:41:41
How many times have we seen boobs without realizing it?
00:41:46
Scary I guess, but still it's like it's really weird to think
00:41:54
about how so that everybody isn't too can have hidden
00:41:58
messages in there. Now I mentioned hypnosis in here
00:42:02
and I want to tell you something that happened a long time ago.
00:42:05
Now I remember how it happened. I remember details, but
00:42:08
basically I self hypnotized myself.
00:42:11
I found this book and it was called like how to hypnotize
00:42:14
yourself. It was something simple like
00:42:15
that. So introduction to self
00:42:19
hypnosis, something like that. And I was like, now I was like
00:42:21
going to kind of a rough time. I remember that.
00:42:24
And I, I found out, like in the book it tells you like, read
00:42:29
this to yourself, tape, like on tape, record it and then play it
00:42:33
back and just listen to it. Be like in a chair.
00:42:36
Listen. And there you go.
00:42:38
So I did that. And I'm not even kidding you
00:42:41
here. I woke up the next day.
00:42:50
Yeah, just to say it is weird. It was really weird.
00:42:58
It was all the time that you're confused because like the light
00:43:00
level of light outside is kind of the same as like at night, in
00:43:04
the evening and in the morning. And the whole time I'm kind of
00:43:08
listening to messages like, you know, affirmations, like you are
00:43:13
the best. I don't know, I forgot what it
00:43:15
was, but I probably have the tape somewhere if I just look
00:43:17
for it. But creepy because I actually
00:43:21
hypnotized myself and there was no way for me to wake up.
00:43:24
What if I was hypnotized forever?
00:43:26
What if I'm hypnotized right now?
00:43:30
Dude, I don't know. Just thinking about that really
00:43:32
creeps me out. But that reminds me a lot of the
00:43:35
trends that are happening right now on TikTok and YouTube where
00:43:37
like, you sure, like you just listen to a certain thing and
00:43:41
somebody's making their own affirmations, like you are
00:43:46
healthy, you are happy or something.
00:43:48
They just kind of repeat and they say that you listen to it
00:43:50
and you fall asleep listening to it.
00:43:52
Is that actually getting to us? And if that's possible to change
00:43:56
our lives for the good, can there be people with evil
00:44:01
intentions trying to go the opposite way?
00:44:05
Something to think about anyway. So that's all I have about
00:44:09
subliminal messaging here. But if you have your own ideas
00:44:12
or own things that you found, please send them over.
00:44:15
Edwin at scarystory.com is my e-mail.
00:44:18
All my contact info is in the description now.
00:44:21
This is from the unseen forces episode.
00:44:24
Nina Simone saying I was hoping to see my story.
00:44:27
However I enjoyed these. Can't wait for the live tomorrow
00:44:29
night. Nina, I believe you.
00:44:31
You showed up on there. Thanks a lot for that.
00:44:33
And your story is coming up in the less the next listener
00:44:37
submission story. Gabe says, man this shows my
00:44:40
work buddy. Super cool to be your coworker.
00:44:44
Happy about that. Thanks a lot, Gabe for the for
00:44:46
the comment. Marilena Costa says, hi Edwin,
00:44:48
love your work. Thank you for getting it for
00:44:50
getting me through my day. You look, you should look up
00:44:54
some scary history from Rhode Island.
00:44:55
I grew up there and lived in three haunted houses.
00:44:59
We only lived in one for 21 days because they try to possess me.
00:45:02
If I if I'm rereading the comments here, 'cause I know I
00:45:05
read this. I don't know if I read it to
00:45:06
myself or if I read it on the podcast, but thanks a lot for
00:45:09
the comment and please Share your story.
00:45:12
Please, please reach out. So even just write it out and
00:45:15
I'll read it if you don't want to tell it like yourself.
00:45:18
Wow. As Stephanie says, hi, Edwin.
00:45:20
Thank you so much for sharing my story.
00:45:21
Keep up the good work. Keep it scary.
00:45:23
Keep it scary. And Stephanie, appreciate that.
00:45:25
This is from the last episode. It's creepy stuff.
00:45:29
Listen to Stephanie's story. Big text ahead.
00:45:31
When can you do an episode on Candyman or a scary story based
00:45:34
on it? Yeah, I might have read it to
00:45:36
myself if I'm repeating these. Sorry, but thanks a lot of big
00:45:39
text for that. And he says, hell yeah, Los
00:45:42
spookies, Juan. Yeah, we're the spookies now.
00:45:44
Los spookies, Marissa says. And to send my story in.
00:45:48
I listen to your pods at work every day.
00:45:50
I love the stories. And yes, the world is on fire.
00:45:53
Hashtag Los spookies, Ellie says.
00:45:55
I came across your podcast. I love listening to it.
00:45:57
So does my kiddo. We're becoming big fans of the
00:45:59
show. Love the recent blue high
00:46:01
episode. Can't wait to hear more
00:46:03
episodes. Thanks a lot, Ellie.
00:46:05
Kelly T says hi. You said you linked the the test
00:46:08
of little story. I'm not saying it.
00:46:09
Can you liberally link it, please?
00:46:11
Yes, actually, I I sent I sent you the the link there and also
00:46:14
it's linked. I'm not sure how it looks on
00:46:17
Spotify. It should have like episodes
00:46:20
mentioned or stuff mentioned in this episode and then it it
00:46:23
should show there. Roger says I could clearly
00:46:26
visualize the sharp teeth like Derry in the movie it that's how
00:46:31
I imagined it when I heard that. Read that story about open the
00:46:35
mouth and it's like sharp teeth like that.
00:46:37
Really creepy. Let me see bad business, says
00:46:40
Edwin. I'm not sure how I got here, but
00:46:42
I found True Scary Story last year and I have been following
00:46:44
since. My kids are also Horror Story
00:46:46
horror fans and would love and would love when I picked them up
00:46:50
from school and put on the show, but I had to stop when my son
00:46:52
started getting scared sleeping in his room.
00:46:56
Your epic storytelling has that effect.
00:46:58
I listen to all our work and I look forward to new episodes.
00:47:00
Maybe I will share a story one day.
00:47:02
I'm here for the paranormal Club and I'm one of those Los
00:47:04
spookies. Keep it scary row.
00:47:06
Keep it scary about business or BD business.
00:47:11
Bad business. Sounds really cool.
00:47:13
Thanks a lot. And yeah, sorry about your your
00:47:15
son. Yeah, that happens.
00:47:19
Adrana says, hey, great episode just catching up.
00:47:22
And our first scary story involves Salvadorian coffee
00:47:24
fields with women that had goat legs that would leer the field
00:47:29
workers into the into the rainforest, the nearby
00:47:33
rainforest, and another of a wee Ouija board that came back after
00:47:38
being burned. Again, I need to send you some
00:47:41
of my stories. My paranormal experiences
00:47:43
started in my childhood. Keep it up, Edwin.
00:47:47
Adriana, you have to you formal requests.
00:47:52
Formal requests here. Zana, you have to send me this
00:47:54
story. Just like the other person who
00:47:56
commented here saying that they also have a bunch of stories
00:47:59
about the haunted houses in in Rhode Island.
00:48:02
You guys, you guys are just teasing me here.
00:48:04
You're like, oh, I have stories. Maybe I should share them one
00:48:06
day. Yeah, you should share them.
00:48:07
Share them now. Sorry.
00:48:12
Jeez. OK.
00:48:13
Ebalarcon says yes, it was me who first suggested Los
00:48:17
spookies. There you go Ebalarcon.
00:48:20
Humble brag loli. Would love to see merch.
00:48:22
I'd rocket a Los Spookies T-shirt and a pin for my
00:48:25
collection. Yes and actually I hope we don't
00:48:28
get in trouble from that show that people have been saying
00:48:30
that it's called Los Spookies. I think they say HBO.
00:48:34
We just need to make it look different and make it our own
00:48:37
thing. Val says.
00:48:38
I have a scary story about when I worked at the last hospital I
00:48:41
worked at. Hospital stories are really
00:48:44
creepy. Please, please, please send it
00:48:47
in. Thanks.
00:48:49
Mel Ambular says Los Espooki is actually a show on HBO Max.
00:48:54
There it is. See Natalia says I have a story
00:48:57
from a Co worker. He's a tourism guide who travels
00:49:00
all around the country Costa Rica with a group of for some
00:49:03
days or weeks he stays in the same hotel his clients do.
00:49:06
He stayed in a hotel in Monte Verde, had sleep paralysis every
00:49:10
night for the next three days, always felt someone was watching
00:49:13
him and he was not able to move for a long time.
00:49:17
He was not able to get another room.
00:49:19
And on the day they were leaving, he informed the hotel
00:49:22
about the situation and he never stayed there again.
00:49:28
Taking the telly, like I feel bad for him.
00:49:29
Like sleep routes is actually pretty scary.
00:49:31
Like I'm actually hurt. I, I've never experienced them.
00:49:34
I mean, I think I've, but I've never seen anything weird.
00:49:36
But I have experienced when I wake up and I'm not not fully
00:49:39
there, but everybody's describing the same thing.
00:49:42
Something's going on with this kind of thing.
00:49:46
Gene Lewis says. Hey, Edwin, just want to share
00:49:49
something. It doesn't have the the usual
00:49:51
paranormal elements, but back in the Philippines, I used to work
00:49:54
at a call center located in a mall.
00:49:56
Even five years after I left, I still had friends there.
00:50:00
My brother was also working there at the time. 2 days before
00:50:03
Christmas in 2017, the mall caught fire and burned down.
00:50:07
I remember there were 39 casualties and 37 were from my
00:50:11
former workplace. Aw, that's terrible.
00:50:17
Dang, that year was hard. None of us could find it in our
00:50:21
heart to celebrate the holidays. Jeez.
00:50:25
Like, that's a lot of people too.
00:50:26
But like, still, like, yeah, like right before the holidays.
00:50:30
Like, that's. Dang.
00:50:32
But like, you see, like in a place where you used to work,
00:50:35
like I asked for workplace stories.
00:50:37
And some of them, some of the stories that I've gotten are
00:50:39
really sad, really tragic. By the way, sending workplace
00:50:44
stories like I'm, I'm still looking for more workplace
00:50:47
stuff, security footage, anything from night shift
00:50:50
workers, security cameras, even just day-to-day things like when
00:50:55
you hear noises in the back rooms or whatever.
00:50:58
Jeez, it was really creepy. But yeah, sorry about that.
00:51:01
Sorry about that. Gene Lewis.
00:51:04
Let me see. Yoda 237 says love bees.
00:51:07
Thanks a lot Yoda. I'm also going to be reading
00:51:10
some of the reviews from Apple podcast next time.
00:51:12
This is a lot of comments. I'm so sorry.
00:51:14
I'm used to listening like thank you so much for that because
00:51:17
it's a lot of comments, but also don't want to skip now,
00:51:20
especially now when it's still kind of manageable.
00:51:24
Princess P says I love all your shows and the way you tell the
00:51:27
stories. Top tier.
00:51:28
I enjoy the video storytelling very much.
00:51:30
Yay, Los spookies. Now we need merch.
00:51:33
Are any of you guys designers by any chance?
00:51:35
Like, do you make things? Can you make like a cool, like,
00:51:38
graphic for those spookies? We should do like a contest or
00:51:42
something. I mean, turn it into a shirt and
00:51:43
I want to wear it. Thanks a lot, Princess B.
00:51:47
Kristen says. Hi, Edwin.
00:51:48
It's so nice to put a face to the voice.
00:51:49
I've been following all your podcasts and absolutely love
00:51:51
them all. Keep it scary.
00:51:53
Kristen. Thank you so much for that.
00:51:55
I appreciate you being here. Thank you, but let me see, Coley
00:51:58
says. I used to be terrified of a
00:52:00
jacquard from Don Francisco as a child.
00:52:02
That's the first thing I remember being scared of.
00:52:04
I would run and hide under my mom's ironing board anytime a
00:52:07
segment came up and my parents thought it was hilarious.
00:52:11
I cried the whole time. Sorry, but I cried the whole
00:52:15
time. That line, it reminds me of this
00:52:18
hidden, hidden line in the office.
00:52:21
I remember from like the presentation.
00:52:23
Anyway, if you know, you know. But the Jacquard thing, you
00:52:27
know, I I actually read your comment.
00:52:28
This is where I read it in a comment on a live live stream,
00:52:32
on a comment, you know, during a live stream.
00:52:34
And when I was playing the Chacal clip, I saw Don Francisco
00:52:38
doing like a perp, making a pervy comment, like a perv
00:52:41
comment. And I was like, Dang, I forgot
00:52:43
about this. I remember like the whole Miss
00:52:44
Miss Kolita thing that they used to do.
00:52:46
Basically it was like this contest of like I took a contest
00:52:50
of like women's butts, Miss Kolita, Miss Booty.
00:52:56
And this is a family show called Sabato Gigante.
00:53:00
But anyway, they used to have this talent show called, I don't
00:53:03
know, check out, check out was like this hooded black figure.
00:53:07
I was like a person dressed in like this full on like cover
00:53:10
your mask and everything. Cover your face with like a mask
00:53:13
all the way down. And whenever there was a bad
00:53:16
singer, they would be like wait out for like get out.
00:53:19
Get out of the audience would be like out, out.
00:53:21
And then the chakal, which was like this, this guy would come
00:53:24
out with the trumpet and be like and like you would basically
00:53:29
take you out and like you're done that the chakal came to get
00:53:32
you. That's some funny to think
00:53:33
about. Robin says hi Edwin and team
00:53:35
loving your show. I have a quick work story.
00:53:38
It's not spooky but kind of OK. So when I went on maternity
00:53:41
leave two years ago, one of my colleagues, June was ill and
00:53:45
knew she would not survive. She loved Penguins, always
00:53:49
having a trinket somewhere. I was at her funeral two weeks
00:53:52
before I gave birth and got to the office three months later.
00:53:56
I felt the absence of her, of her terribly.
00:53:59
When I opened the drawer of our flex desk, I found a sticker of
00:54:03
a Penguin or a sticker of a Penguin.
00:54:06
That was June, maybe. I'd like to think so.
00:54:11
That was June. Yeah.
00:54:13
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was June.
00:54:14
I I read this, this comment in a live stream, too.
00:54:16
But I remember thinking like, yeah, this is how people say
00:54:20
bye. It's really sad, but also kind
00:54:24
of, I don't know, like kind of nice, right?
00:54:27
Like to get a message like that. Pretty cool.
00:54:30
Thanks a lot, Robin, for for the comments.
00:54:32
K on Chico says I love the name Little Spookies.
00:54:35
Love you, Edwin. God bless you.
00:54:36
By the way. You entertain me all through my
00:54:38
work day with your work. You're the best.
00:54:40
You're the best. K on Chico.
00:54:42
Thanks so much for for that. And I appreciate you being here.
00:54:45
This is super cool. So, you know, you know, you
00:54:47
always have a spot here at Paranormal Club.
00:54:49
Thanks so much for for all the comments on here.
00:54:51
I appreciate them. I'm glad we can still get
00:54:53
through them and read them on here.
00:54:55
We are getting a lot. We are getting a lot, which is
00:54:57
really cool. I just want to thank you guys
00:54:59
again for everything that you've done to push Paranormal Club up
00:55:04
to the top 100. I think we're 90th spot right
00:55:07
now in the United States overall.
00:55:09
Like in all the podcasts, we did it.
00:55:12
We're here. Oh, yeah, thank you so much.
00:55:14
I think that's all I have for now.
00:55:16
If you have comments, questions, you know where to reach me, drop
00:55:20
a comment on Spotify, YouTube, send me an e-mail
00:55:23
edwin@scarystory.com or you can also find me on Instagram,
00:55:26
TikTok and Facebook as Edwin Cove EDWINCOV.
00:55:31
And that's short for Edwin Coverubias, which is my name.
00:55:34
I just pronounced it in like how my mom says it.
00:55:36
Thank you very much for listening or watching.
00:55:39
Keep it scary everyone, see you soon.