Ready for a surprise? Michelle Newman from Tell Me a Ghost Story joins me today to hear about La Mano Peluda radio show and the most haunted call that may have ended the host's life.
You see, in this call, a man claimed to be haunted by demons. It's one of the craziest stories I've heard, and many listeners got to listen to it live on air.
A recording of the original call here (listen at your own risk - its in Spanish): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLZc6LMiBA
Find Michelle over at her podcast Tell Me a Ghost Story!
Edwin is on social media as @edwincov
Editing and sound for this episode by Cloyd Cayobit
Have a story to share with me here? Email me edwin@paranormalclub.com or the form at ParanormalClub.com
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There was this haunted radio show where callers would send in
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their stories, and they would be told live on air.
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And after years of warnings and threats.
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Hey, host, you got to stop taking these kinds of stories.
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He didn't listen, and eventually he ended up dying.
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Some say that it was a coincidence.
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Others say that he crossed a very serious line.
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And this show was called La Manopuluda.
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Are you ready? My name is Edwin.
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And I'm Michelle. OH, and I'm Michelle.
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Sorry. I blew.
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I got too excited and I blew out my microphone.
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But. And that's Michelle.
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And this is Paranormal club Michelle.
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Michelle is here. So for those of us who may not
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remember Michelle, Michelle comes from our show Scary
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Mystery Surprise. The other half are very famous,
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very viral show. Scary message what?
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It was viral just play along okay sorry yes and yes Anne.
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Sorry, Yes, Anne. Oh bad, Michelle.
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Michelle. So what have you been up to?
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People don't even know what scary mystery.
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Surprise. What was it?
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What was all this about? Well, it was our banter show and
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we loved doing it. And I've gotten several, several
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people have always asked like, is it coming back?
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What happened to it? And I'm like, look, we shot our
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wad. We ran out of money, guys.
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Let's say there's no, there's no drama, there's no nothing.
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We just ran out of money. So like if Spotify wants to
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bring us back or something, you know, we we're open.
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But until then, this is about Edwin and Paranormal Club, so
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and. What have you been up to,
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Michelle? Well, I've been running my own
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show called Tell Me a Ghost Story, and people call in from
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all over the world and tell me ghost stories.
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And we won a Signal award last year in the paranormal spooky
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category. And I also won an International
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Women in Podcasting award for Most Compelling Moment, also
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from the Tell Me a Ghost Story. Yeah.
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So most compelling moment is there like a specific moment?
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Was it like a? Certain it's the it's the
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Cambodian story. There's a there's a person who
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was in Cambodia and had some ghostly experiences with some,
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some, some people that might not have made it through the
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genocide that was there. So.
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Cool, so go check it out. Tell me.
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Tell me a ghost story. Yeah, tell me a ghost.
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Michelle Newman and the phone number is.
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And the phone number is CLOYD. Don't let me don't.
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The phone number is 1-701-484-2666.
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OK, cool. Yeah, that's one 701-4842, 666.
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Was that intentional? Did you look up a 6/6?
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Remember. OK, very cool.
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All right, so you ready? This is the story of of this
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radio show. This might change your mind,
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Michelle. I hope this doesn't.
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Like, all right, tell me that. I'm a son, late night idea.
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I don't know. We'll see.
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Here we go. So I've talked about I've talked
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about this before a couple times with with a few people and also
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even in in this podcast about the the full like deep dive of
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it. So I'm going to do like kind of
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an overall summary is still I'm going to hit all the main
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topics, right. So this one, this is about the
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very first episode, the scary show that I ever listened to in
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my life in my life. I think I told you about this,
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but I was in the car driving from well, I wasn't driving.
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I was little. I was in the backseat and I was
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listening. We were listening to the radio,
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and this episode comes on and all I hear is my mom saying,
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like, I was kind of dozing off. And my mom's like, hey, like,
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turn it down. Like in Spanish, She's like,
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turn it down. Like he's going to get scared.
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And I'm like, obviously like, what?
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Yeah. I'm like, what is this?
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And then I hear this woman talking on the radio about a
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doll that she had, where the doll is moving on its own.
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Now. That by itself was like, OK, is
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this so drama? What is this?
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However, there was a voice that was responding to to her.
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And it was this guy, the host of the radio show.
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And he was the most serious, calm, trustworthy voice you
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could ever hear. Like as in he's listening.
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OK, and and what does she do? OK, And what is her dress like?
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Or And I was like, is this real? Right.
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And they're talking about this, this very specific scene where
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the doll climbs out of the garbage, like can and walks
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across this small patio area where everybody is watching and
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they see this doll walk and all. Everybody's get scared.
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They're freaking out. They're like, we just saw her.
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Did anybody see it? Yeah, we saw her to this happen.
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And then she's describing it as a matter of fact.
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I'll marry first experience. Later on, I found out that that
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show came on like late at night and we could catch it from the
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house because it was transmitted from Mexico.
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So and we weren't that far. LA was not that.
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I don't know how I reached that far or if it was another re
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signal or whatever. That's when I found out about
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the show. It was much later when I
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actually started learning about it and what it was.
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But basically it was just that this guy set up this.
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It was actually another host before.
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Remember the name of the other guy, but the one that is like
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the one that we tie to like the show La Mano Peluda was this
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guy. His name is Juan Ramon Science
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and that guy is how we when we think is that guy, even though
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we just forgot about the first host.
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Anyway, so this is just what it was a live and call in show.
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It was a serious show and the callers were talk about
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possession, witchcraft, curses, satanic entities like I'm so
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this this was no joke. Like this wasn't like, oh, you
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know, the ghost showed up and it pointed to this ball.
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No, it was like, you know, this ghost showed up and killed my
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grandma kind of thing. Like like that kind of.
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Like action? Yeah.
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Yeah, and. I mean, it's, yeah, it is funny
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because most ghost stories are just kind of banal.
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Like there's not a lot of, you know, not to say that that's not
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credible because most of the time the ghost doesn't kill you
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or do anything, you know, like that's mostly everybody's ghost
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story. So I mean.
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It's true because yeah, like normally we hear like very Oh
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yeah, we saw this and it's still creepy, but yeah, like it's not.
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Like, Oh yeah. It doesn't go into the dark side
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of. No, it's not.
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Yeah. It's not an action.
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It's not juicy. That's basically, you know, it's
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like you saw a man sitting from it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You, you generally don't die from your paranormal experience.
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So if you do, oh, what's going on?
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Yeah, yeah. That that's how this was.
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It was like, wait, what? And also you, you would have
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people, sometimes somebody would call in and somebody was, would
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be there on the other side as well, like both of them talking
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and they would confirm each other's like accounts.
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And it was like, yeah, it, it was, it was a very interesting
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show. And I'm saying it was because
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it's stopped at one point and it all happened after this one
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call. And the the episode itself is
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called El Caso de Josue, which means the case of Josue Josue's
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case. OK, now I looked into this many
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times. I listen to the full episode.
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It's over an hour, maybe a couple of hours long.
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And it's the original call. It's on YouTube and it is
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probably the creepiest thing that I've I've listened to in
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Spanish, which I wish I could get translated in like placed
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somewhere, but like this guy from you would pronounce it El
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Monte. I'll pronounce it in Malta,
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California. El Monte, Yeah.
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You mean El Monte? We're in El Monte.
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El Monte, CA He called and he tells his bizarre story.
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When he was 14 years old, he was in severe financial crisis like
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every other 14 year old, right? Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know unless yeah, like I what 14 year old is rich?
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I'm I don't know what that's OK, but sure.
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So anyway, I'm with you. I'm with.
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You so he he starts looking up like financial wealth kind of
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content as in not not in YouTube.
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This happened a while back, but he starts reading books on
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wealth. How do you generate money?
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What are you supposed to do? And he gets so obsessed with
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this because his family, he's broke and nobody has money.
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So he wants to figure out how to how to make this work.
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And he learns about demonic summoning, like summoning a
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demon. This is such a 14 year old's
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logic where they're like, I'm so broke I'm going to summon a
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demon. Like not hey, why don't I get a
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job? Like why don't I sell some stuff
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on eBay? Oh no, let's summon a demon.
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You know, I mean, it's, it's true.
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I remember when I was like 12 or 11, I I lost a remote like the
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TV remote and I was so out of options that I started praying
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to find it because I was going to get yelled at.
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Dear Lord, dear Lord, help me find the remote and out of.
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The corner of my eye I happen to look at this.
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I guess my mom had like this duck or like a a big crane kind
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of duct decoration. What do you call those other
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ducks that aren't ducks? They're big goose like a goose
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thing decoration in the center table.
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And it had like a hollow area for flowers.
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And I happened to look in there and the remote was there.
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Divine intervention Miracle. Wow.
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I like miracle. A miracle Had he found the
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remote in the goose. So.
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And every day we celebrate. Every time at this time of year,
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we celebrate the day of the miracle.
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Edwin finding the remote in the goose.
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Praise Jesus. And I, I think of that.
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I mean, what if my eyes were set on making money?
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Would I have prayed for them? What if, what if I hear about
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demons and they're like, yeah, they can grant whatever you
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want. Would I have done it?
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I mean, I'm 12 years old at a time.
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Maybe I don't. I mean, I don't, I don't think
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so, but maybe I don't know. It depends on what you were
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exposed to. I don't think, I don't think
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Edwin as your current iteration would have done it.
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And maybe from what I know of your background, you would have
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never done it. But like, you know, if you've
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been raised non religious, you might have been like demon
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Schwiemans, you know, like, hey, it's just another entity.
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Money is money if whatever, by whatever means possible.
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So this guy, he's attempting by any means necessary to get
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money. So he starts summoning demons
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for a year and a half. He's like practicing this.
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And eventually he starts seeing that it's working, right.
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This guy's, by the way, his name is Josue Velasquez, right?
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Josue, Not Jose, but Josue. And he starts noticing this thin
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shadowy, like a thin black man, like as in black, black skin,
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black complexion. And he starts showing up and
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he's teaching him spells, curses, how to do rituals.
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But this guy, this entity thing, this man who's appearing
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requires sacrifices, like animal sacrifices and also to like work
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with certain people, like some of the people from his friends,
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friends from from his school to help do things.
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He he wasn't very clear with that.
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And then the once he was giving him all the sacrifices and
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everything, the guys like, hey, you know what?
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Now I need something a little more serious because you want
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more money, you want stability. I need you to find a newborn.
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Bring him and sacrifice him. OK, OK, standard.
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Standard. Standard money making.
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Yeah, standard money making. I'm pretty sure David Ramsey
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requests that too. When you when you play the stock
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market, high yield savings account and sacrificing a
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newborn baby. Yeah.
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Josue is like, all right, I'm try to kidnap one.
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I guess he gets ready. He gets up to that point where
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he's about to go for a newborn, like in a hospital or whatever.
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Yeah. Or like.
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From a woman who has just brought a baby somehow.
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And. He changes his mind.
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He like chickens out. He's like, I can't do it, OK.
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Good. Good, good, good.
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But he was describing all these other things that were happening
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like his mom got attacked by this pig like bipedal creature.
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You know what? Yeah, imagine that.
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Imagine what? Let that sink.
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In a little bit, yeah. And then Josue was he was like
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doing these meditation kind of things.
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And spiritually he was taken to this cave and he was, he was
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held there for 21 days. And there were these shape
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shifting entities there, like these weird creatures that were
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just kind of morphing into different demons like things,
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right? And it was there when when I
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first heard about this, right? This next part is when I kind of
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like the the, the dream, I guess started shattering a little bit
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because he was offered the ring of King Solomon in that.
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And that thing grants power over demonic entities.
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But the. But in order to get that ring,
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he needs to sacrifice a family member now.
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Remember, he's tormented now by all these demons the mom is
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suffering from. OK, how old is he now?
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Like what, 15 1/2 he's. Yeah, he's still young.
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He's he's still young, Ish. Yeah, I would say 18.
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He's still young, OK. OK, just check, I don't know for
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sure. But like, he was still, yeah, he
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was still a young guy, very, very young.
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So imagine it. He was actually making money at
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this point. Like when they asked him like,
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how, how are you making the money?
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He's like, Oh well, just, you know, deals.
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Clients would show up randomly and give me money.
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He wasn't very clear on that, but he would get up to like
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$15 a day. A lot of money.
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Yeah, however, well this comes after, right?
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But first he gets that, that, that he wants the ring to
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protect himself for the demons. He wants that so bad because
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he's being tormented, right? So he's like, fine, I'll kill
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somebody. He chooses his grandmother
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because she's old. Because she's old, obviously.
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Terrible, right? This is terrible.
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She's lived a good life. It's time to just.
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Yeah, it's so So he drugs her and kills her and performs A
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ritual. Like actually does that.
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Oh, I don't know. Why?
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But this is really giving me chills, more so than any of the
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old stories we used to do. This is Groups up.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's it's really really weird. However, when he kills her he
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realizes there's there's no physical evidence of him killing
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her. Like as in no blood stains, no
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stab wounds? No, however, he killed her with
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drugs over just whatever. There's no proof of it like, so
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he's going to be safe. Like nobody's going to be like,
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hey, you killed your grandma. So it looks like she just died.
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Yeah, the idea there is that now he has the ring, but the ring
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can't be removed. Like it's it's with him now.
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Actually, he he decides to like wear a glove over it.
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Like he he doesn't, he can't get rid of it.
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And he ends up getting money as in, yeah, he gets protection,
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but also from the demons. But now he's getting money,
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$15 a day spent, but he has to spend it all in one day.
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Right. What is that The rule is that
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the demons rule? Yeah, that's how how I mean, I
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guess you can't give it. Away.
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You can't give it away if you're about to say that you have to
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spend it, I guess. Jeez, what do you?
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It's just like all Bitcoin. I don't know what you do.
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It's all like GameStop. You just keep buying stocks.
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Quick, quick, quick, quick. Yeah, well, I don't know.
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I. Don't know how I would spend 15
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spend that that $15 a day. I mean, I guess you could.
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Like you could maybe like live in a hotel or something.
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I don't know, like, yeah, there's.
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Hotels for $10, right? Yeah, like.
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You could go just live in a hotel or something like that,
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but seems weird to be able to get that money and then have to
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spend it like that because there's no way to like secure
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assets really. Like it's just got to be.
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Yeah, you have to spend it. Yeah, it's it's weird.
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Also, if he tried to give it away, which he tried a couple
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times, he got punished violently.
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As in, this woman would appear this footless woman with long
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black hair. Imagine her walking on like
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stubs. I well, the stubs made it wait.
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Yeah, I got the floating. That's what you imagined.
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I did floating first, but stubs, yeah, we could do stubs just her
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stubbing it around just. Sliding over the carpet or the.
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Floor and it's bleeding. Because it's like she hasn't
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looked like she can't fight shoes for that.
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Yeah, for her stubs, she. She.
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Can't do she didn't. She can't do any like caps.
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She can't put like just a Band-Aid on her stubs.
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You know, I mean, understandable.
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I wouldn't want to see her either.
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I think I'd figure out how to spend that money, man.
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Yeah, yeah. So he, so he started finding out
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ways, I don't know what he, but he would buy a bunch of things,
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watch his cars, whatever. Like he would just need to buy
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things. But some of the things that he
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started gaining, he started realizing was was gaining
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paranormal abilities. Like he could learn things
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really fast. He could know things that other
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people couldn't know or tell about themselves.
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And I have a note here says rapid academic advancement,
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which obviously means he, he he became really smart.
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If he wanted to, he would just choose, I want to learn this and
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he would learn it. Yeah.
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But some of the losses, some of the things that he lost were
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peace, joy and safety. Yeah, those are, those are big
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ones. Those are like pretty basic ones
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that just, you know, without them your life is pretty rough.
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Yeah, Yeah. I don't.
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I mean, why? Do you want to learn calculus
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that bad? Like his calculus gonna make up
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learning. Learning a skill, you know,
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like. Learning friends, if you could
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learn something super quickly, what what would you learn,
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Michelle? I'd probably pick languages.
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I'd probably pick language, you know, just to be able to travel
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wherever and have that not be an issue.
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But And maybe like, I mean, and maybe like a like a instrument
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because I don't play any instruments.
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So like piano. Yeah, yeah, like piano, maybe
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guitar or something like that. You know, it'd be fun.
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I probably. Want to learn like economics or
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like, like finance kind of thing, just just to know.
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I don't, I wouldn't like to work in it, but I, I really wouldn't
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like to like figure out how it works anyway.
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So all this, this, this story that I'm telling you now is what
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he's telling the host, right? And the whole time they're,
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they're like, he's answering questions.
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The host is like, OK, tell me blah, blah, blah.
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Now it starts getting a little bit weird.
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This isn't the recordings too, right?
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As he's talking, you hear strange noises in the
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background, like from his, his end of the call.
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And he starts complaining. He's like, The thing is here,
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The thing is here I can hear it's telling me not to tell this
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is he starts getting really weird.
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He starts making vomiting sounds.
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He starts feeling. Pain during the call.
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He's like suffering. He's about.
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He's like, crying, Yeah. He.
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Starts to scream like he's very nervous.
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And you could tell in the in the call and it gets so bad that
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they call a priest on the other line, the priest hotline, and
00:21:50
they're like this priest comes on and he's like, hey, help him
00:21:56
out. Something's happening in this
00:21:58
instant. We need help.
00:22:00
So the priest is like, OK, And he intervened.
00:22:02
He starts telling him like, renounce Satan, accept Christ,
00:22:06
open the Bible to this page. And like the guy is so like,
00:22:09
he's like, the Bible won't open. It won't open.
00:22:11
I can't open the Bible so heavy. Like, yeah, he's in.
00:22:13
Pretty deep at this point, like he's he's in pretty deep.
00:22:17
Like there's, I don't think just over the phone exorcism is going
00:22:21
to help at that moment in time. You know, the the Bible
00:22:24
Hotline's not going to work or whatever the exercise, not at
00:22:27
that point. He needs like, yeah, yeah, it's
00:22:30
hard. It's hard at that point.
00:22:31
And he starts the the the priest is like, hey, read Palm Psalms
00:22:37
23121, read them, read them. And he's like, I can't start
00:22:41
screaming, vomiting, yelling, like, ah, and you hear strange
00:22:43
voices in the background, like what the heck is happening?
00:22:47
And you can hear that if you press like if you watch this, if
00:22:49
you listen to this episode, it they're there like in the peak
00:22:52
of the whole story. It's it's bizarre.
00:22:54
It's bizarre. And and the the priest is like,
00:22:57
Hey, everybody listening live right now.
00:22:59
I need you right now to start praying.
00:23:02
And we're going to pray collectively.
00:23:03
I'm getting chills right now. I know I'm.
00:23:05
Getting chills too like. Everybody needs to pray.
00:23:09
Start praying for him right now. Like, now, Yeah.
00:23:13
And everybody does. And the host, like, yeah, please
00:23:16
listen to him. Like, we need your help.
00:23:17
Everybody starts praying. And then the guy kind of calms
00:23:22
down if there's no, like, sudden everything's resolved.
00:23:26
But like, it's he's calm. They're like, the guy's already
00:23:29
crying, but like, he's, he's kind of calm.
00:23:32
And they're telling him, hey, I I want you to keep in touch with
00:23:34
us. We're going to call you again to
00:23:36
see how you're doing, blah, blah, blah.
00:23:39
They let him go. Then later on they find out, you
00:23:41
know, he he, he did, he was telling the truth.
00:23:45
Supposedly somebody says somebody updates him or actually
00:23:48
Josue updates them saying that now he's in monastery care.
00:23:53
I don't know what that means. Maybe he went to stay there or
00:23:56
in a monastery something How in El.
00:23:59
Monte. No, like, Oh yeah, that's right.
00:24:03
It would have to be there, but he's asked.
00:24:04
What he's calling, Yeah, so. What?
00:24:08
But no, that's. What he says now he's he's OK
00:24:11
now supposedly he's getting religious help.
00:24:14
So the call ends. Juan Ramon signs the the the
00:24:18
host is OK. Well, thank you very much for
00:24:21
listening. Goodnight.
00:24:22
And they keep getting calls. They keep doing all this other
00:24:26
thing, the same stuff. The host then decides to launch
00:24:28
another show called Extra Normal, but it only lasts for
00:24:33
two episodes. And this is kind of like a
00:24:34
video, kind of like a documentary kind of thing.
00:24:39
However, nine years after that, Josue get in touch again.
00:24:47
Later. On you find out that the host
00:24:49
was actually still in touch with Josue the whole time.
00:24:51
Like I was in They're kind of in touch like, hey, how are you
00:24:54
doing? I'm doing OK, OK, cool.
00:24:55
Like in touch. However, nine years later, Josue
00:24:59
agrees to this interview and he's like, OK, we can do an
00:25:03
interview because nobody believes.
00:25:04
It's like not nobody believes it.
00:25:05
But like he, there's doubters that are kind of staining the,
00:25:09
the prestige of the show, like saying, Hey, you made this sound
00:25:12
like this is a what the heck, right?
00:25:15
Like this guy's an actor, a really good one.
00:25:17
And he made us all believe this is all fake.
00:25:21
So Josue the, the guy that called he's like, let's do an
00:25:24
interview. However, I want to decide how
00:25:28
it's done. So everybody's like, OK, this is
00:25:31
weird, but OK, sure, let's do it.
00:25:32
This is with cameras now, right? OK.
00:25:35
He's like, I'm going to tell you at the last minute where we're
00:25:39
going to have the interview. OK, when we're going to have
00:25:42
the? Interview like I just want you
00:25:43
to, I'm going to call you. You're going to have to go meet
00:25:45
me. Everybody's like, OK, fine, I'll
00:25:47
do it pretty. Creepy.
00:25:48
That's yeah. He's like, where are you going
00:25:51
to take me? It's like you shouldn't do that.
00:25:56
Nope, absolutely not. Yeah.
00:25:59
But he goes to he, he's like, we're going to meet in a boat,
00:26:03
on a boat in open water, open waters, dude.
00:26:08
All this is a giant red flag. Sorry, but like what?
00:26:13
I'm sorry for the content. This guy's going to go be on a
00:26:16
boat for the content. No, No.
00:26:19
Yeah. Yeah, this is how.
00:26:21
You get, I mean. He was, he was in it.
00:26:24
It was he was in it. He was a dedicated host.
00:26:26
He went for it, Edwin. Would you go on a boat with
00:26:30
someone who's possibly like the king of demons?
00:26:35
Jeez, I'd probably take a priest with me and a guard.
00:26:38
An armed guard. Yeah, like that's going to stop
00:26:44
the king of demons. Some goggles.
00:26:46
Yeah, some. Anyway, Continue.
00:26:51
Continue. So.
00:26:55
So he shows up, he's like, hey, meet me here.
00:26:58
They go. They meet and they go into on a
00:26:59
boat and they're out there in open waters and they're like,
00:27:02
yeah, we're going to have an interview here when they're
00:27:06
greeting. Like this isn't the final the
00:27:08
footage when you're reviewing it after the fact.
00:27:12
The guy's wearing all black. He has a cult symbols.
00:27:15
He actually has like a femur, like a bone with him, of course.
00:27:19
And he has a glove that's covering his ring hand.
00:27:23
I don't know what hand that is. I should probably figure that
00:27:25
out soon, but he's supposedly covering that ring under there
00:27:31
like the the king, the ring of King Solomon.
00:27:35
He shakes everybody's hand with the left hand, but with the host
00:27:42
he shakes with the right hand. Why is it so creepy?
00:27:47
I don't know. I don't.
00:27:48
Know, but like, I don't know. Why?
00:27:49
That's so creepy, but it really is.
00:27:51
It's really creepy. Yeah, it's really weird.
00:27:53
And then during the interview, Josue, the the storyteller guy,
00:27:57
the caller starts convulsing the crew, the camera crew, the sound
00:28:02
producer, they start experiencing nausea, discomfort.
00:28:07
This is really weird. They're not feeling well the
00:28:10
whole time. Yeah.
00:28:12
There's also like a a witchcraft bundle which I don't know what
00:28:15
that is, herbs or something. Yeah, like Sage or some shit.
00:28:21
I don't think he's kind of that right.
00:28:23
And he starts the, the, the guy starts saying that there are
00:28:27
these powerful figures that are, he starts talking about powerful
00:28:32
figures, like dark figures and stuff.
00:28:34
And the whole time he's mentioning all these, he's
00:28:37
starting to mention like famous people, politicians, kind of
00:28:40
like that. But he doesn't say names.
00:28:42
He just kind of hits who they are.
00:28:44
So everybody's feeling uncomfortable, like, you're
00:28:46
going to get us in trouble, man. This is this is Mexico now,
00:28:48
right? Yeah.
00:28:50
This is where the show was in. Yeah, somewhere in Mexico.
00:28:55
They they end the interview. They say, well, this is really
00:28:57
weird. And that's where the stuff
00:29:00
starts happening. The host of the show, Juan Ramon
00:29:03
Science, dies unexpectedly a couple weeks after that.
00:29:07
Shortly after they say that he had like this strange stomach
00:29:11
kind of infection or something, but he he died.
00:29:15
The reporter for that show, Mario Estrada, it's in a car
00:29:19
accident. He survives as a car accident.
00:29:22
The cameraman has to have an emergency abdominal surgery.
00:29:28
The pastor, the priest that was in the call, dies as well.
00:29:35
When when did he die? He died like.
00:29:37
Maybe 3 weeks? 4 weeks?
00:29:38
Like within that month he died. One of them died faster.
00:29:42
I don't have it here on my on my dates here, but they died within
00:29:47
within like a month. The host died shortly after
00:29:50
though, like a week. We can have two weeks, something
00:29:52
like that. I have a specific date I can
00:29:54
link to the actual episode where I talk about all this stuff in
00:29:56
detail. But like it was it was bizarre.
00:30:00
So all this time they're blaming Josue, the caller.
00:30:03
They're like, what the heck do you do?
00:30:05
Like kill the show and the host like.
00:30:11
You cancelled our show permanently.
00:30:13
What am I going to listen to Friday nights?
00:30:17
That would be the comments. Section that would be the
00:30:19
current comment like if this show wrong that's.
00:30:22
How it would be? How dare you kill the host?
00:30:28
How dare you die? How dare you die.
00:30:32
But yeah, this. Is this is I mean for the
00:30:36
paranormal community, this is a huge loss, right?
00:30:38
Like, this guy wasn't a serious, serious guy.
00:30:41
He took his job seriously and he was a leading voice.
00:30:44
And, you know, there's a whole generation now of podcasters,
00:30:48
storytellers out there that in Mexico or people, you know, who,
00:30:52
who understood, who listened to the show in Spanish, who they
00:30:55
were, They were heavily influenced by this.
00:30:56
And I would consider myself someone part of that, that
00:30:59
group, some of the podcasters that I've I've met with and
00:31:02
talked with that like you're from Mexico.
00:31:05
They're like, oh, you're a son of the Mano Penu that like
00:31:07
you're like a, you know, you're part of this is what triggered
00:31:12
your interest in the paranormal. So anyway, so the story then
00:31:16
continues, right? Like the, the guy, they're like
00:31:18
the guy that they blamed him for the death.
00:31:20
He's like, no, I didn't want to harm him.
00:31:23
I think it was residual energy he couldn't handle.
00:31:26
And he described, he's used to describe himself as like fire,
00:31:29
like if you get to close, something's going to happen.
00:31:32
But he still, he was sad about his death and he said that
00:31:36
entities wanted the host to die and that that's what that's what
00:31:40
the reason of his death was. Then the story continues with
00:31:44
the removal of the ring. They say that they had to
00:31:47
perform this emergency ritual to get rid of the ring because it
00:31:51
he didn't want the ring anymore. They also, when they were going
00:31:55
to do the ritual, they were going to put in this fire thing,
00:31:57
do some chanting, and they were gonna in case the ring couldn't
00:32:04
get removed, they were gonna have to chop off the fingers.
00:32:07
So they had a machete ready. I don't know why a machete.
00:32:10
They should have got me something else.
00:32:12
Machete's like we're a whole hand I.
00:32:15
Know I'm a little like, yeah, well, I guess it's better than
00:32:19
what, like pliers or something, you know, like you're getting
00:32:22
like, like, you know, a saw. A microphone.
00:32:28
Yeah. Or you know what is?
00:32:29
Yeah, the pruner scissors. You know, like just yeah.
00:32:34
That's bad. That's really bad.
00:32:37
But the ritual worked and they didn't have to come to that.
00:32:39
They didn't have to chop off his finger.
00:32:40
I'm. Glad.
00:32:42
The Josue now claims freedom from these entities.
00:32:46
And he says that. He will now do good.
00:32:50
That's where. That's where the.
00:32:52
That's where I guess the the story kind of closes because he
00:32:56
was interviewed a couple times with some other podcast and I
00:33:00
got to see it. I just felt, I felt weird felt
00:33:03
felt really, I didn't finish any.
00:33:04
That's a weird thing. Actually, now that I think about
00:33:06
it, I didn't finish any of the interviews.
00:33:08
Like listening to them with the other podcast, it just, it just
00:33:11
felt like part of it felt like whatever he was saying was a
00:33:15
lie. And then the other part was
00:33:17
just, it was just weird thing contributing to that guy.
00:33:24
Maybe he was seeking fame and I didn't want to be a part of it.
00:33:26
I don't know. It was a strange feeling
00:33:29
watching this because now he comes on camera like he's not
00:33:32
anonymous anymore. Like you can see him, but it's
00:33:36
it's really weird. So now I ask you, Michelle,
00:33:40
after hearing a story that you get like that, that this this
00:33:44
host got like that ended in his death, what do you think about?
00:33:54
I don't want to say like, do you, do you think you would ever
00:33:58
get a call that's so dark that you can't release it or that you
00:34:01
just. End.
00:34:04
I get calls. They're almost so crazy that I
00:34:07
can't release them. You've done that like you've.
00:34:12
You've. Oh yeah, they're crazy.
00:34:14
But the the person's OK. OK, I thought it was like.
00:34:19
You know, there's a, there's, there's stuff where it's like, I
00:34:23
can't put this out because it's like it's a little too far.
00:34:29
You know, it would like violate their privacy, their, you know,
00:34:33
whatever. I don't, you know, there's a
00:34:39
consent level of like when someone calls in, if the story's
00:34:43
good, I'm going to put it on the air.
00:34:45
But would I go to a boat? Would I meet them in person?
00:34:53
No, no, not defeats the point of being like the the, I don't
00:35:00
know, the anonymous radio host, you know, like there's something
00:35:04
about like the anonymity that makes that special, is like
00:35:08
telling that story, makes it more eerie, makes it more
00:35:11
honest. It feel like like from what you
00:35:13
said, when you see the guy, it feels false.
00:35:18
But when you're just hearing it, it feels like what his story was
00:35:22
feels more believable. And that's like the dynamic
00:35:25
between the the late night host and the and the collar.
00:35:29
It's like kind of the magic that happens in between that.
00:35:32
But yeah, I don't think I I don't think, well, just I don't
00:35:40
like for you. You've gotten a call where weird
00:35:44
this stuff has happened afterwards.
00:35:47
Yeah. That yeah, that gives me chills
00:35:50
to this day. Like when I think about it,
00:35:51
'cause I have to do. I mean, have you?
00:35:52
Told you? Yeah.
00:35:54
Have you told this audience? I feel like you've told the the.
00:35:56
I might. Yeah.
00:35:57
I. Probably mentioned it a few
00:35:58
times, but for those who who may not have heard about it, it was
00:36:01
a story about demons that even during our video call, whenever
00:36:05
they would mention the word demon, a lamp on my end would
00:36:08
flicker. And yeah, it was.
00:36:12
It was really strange because it then continued with my sister
00:36:16
being in the studio, like where I record.
00:36:19
And she asked me, hey, does anything weird ever happen with
00:36:23
the stories or whatever? And I was like, yeah, you know,
00:36:24
one time somebody told me a story and whenever they said
00:36:27
demon lights would flicker, and then she screams.
00:36:30
She's like your lab, your thing, just flicker.
00:36:32
Like you're, you know, I have a sign that's like an LED kind of
00:36:35
sign. That thing doesn't flicker
00:36:37
because it's not like a neon sign.
00:36:38
This is like one of those LED lights.
00:36:40
And it flickered and she screamed and she she just left.
00:36:44
And that's when I started thinking like, what if this
00:36:47
stuff is we're crossing a line here, right 'cause I have got
00:36:50
warnings from people saying, hey, be careful, try this, do a
00:36:54
cleanse, do try this thing. And I don't listen 'cause I
00:36:58
don't know how to do it. Like I heard that if you do
00:37:00
sage, like if you, if you, what's it called?
00:37:02
You sage your room, but you do it wrong.
00:37:05
You might, I don't know, you might do something like you
00:37:08
might trigger something. Well, you can.
00:37:11
You can. Well, from what I've heard is
00:37:14
you could knock out all the positive energy.
00:37:16
If you do it, you can make all the positive energy leave and
00:37:19
then just have a big negative vacuum.
00:37:21
But I mean, I think it's more of like the intent when you're
00:37:26
going around saging and you want to have your windows and doors
00:37:29
kind of open so the energy could go out.
00:37:34
But yeah, I guess I do have, I mean, I do have stuff like, I
00:37:39
mean, like, I feel like I cleanse my house pretty
00:37:43
frequently, but I did that before the show.
00:37:46
So I just, you know, I like to keep my house.
00:37:52
Yeah, I like to keep my house a ghost free zone.
00:37:55
So, you know, it's a good, it's a good.
00:37:58
Choice, I would say, yeah, like. As a host, I like to keep it.
00:38:03
Me and Robert are the only entities in this house so
00:38:08
because obviously no cats allowed.
00:38:13
With AZ. With AZ Robert, Robert's been
00:38:17
working on his spelling and he's so talented.
00:38:23
Oh man, do you think that for that show La Mano Penuda, do you
00:38:28
think that they opened something that couldn't be closed again?
00:38:30
Like like there was a connection there with the host somehow?
00:38:36
Yeah, I kind of do. I think, I think it needed
00:38:40
honestly, if we want to go like speculative, right?
00:38:45
Like it seems like why was that guy calling in in the 1st place
00:38:50
what to just share his? Like I feel like there was some
00:38:54
sort of desire to even if the quote UN quote demons didn't
00:39:02
want him to share, I think maybe someone did want him to share
00:39:06
because there was it went out over the radio and I don't know
00:39:11
that that gave him a little that gave him some power.
00:39:15
And you know, his King Solomon ring was all about power anyway.
00:39:21
So like there's definitely, it was like they're using that host
00:39:24
and they're using him, and then you know what?
00:39:29
They didn't need him anymore. Yeah.
00:39:31
Damn, it's so there's. Just it gives me chills.
00:39:33
Like seriously, I know like there's, there's like stuff like
00:39:35
that. Like you can look into it like
00:39:37
that or I mean it, yeah. I mean, the host is giving an
00:39:42
opportunity for this person to share whatever this agenda is or
00:39:50
whatever, you know, this person or this entity, whatever the
00:39:55
agenda is, so. So you as a story you, you as a
00:40:00
host for example. Yeah, if.
00:40:04
A story. Let's just say it's a haunted
00:40:05
story. Let's just assume that ghosts or
00:40:08
entities can travel through stories.
00:40:10
And you allow this to happen, and then your episode gets a
00:40:14
bunch of downloads and now you spread that story.
00:40:17
This entity could technically be spreading because of you.
00:40:22
You think of that like, like, Yeah, well, do.
00:40:24
You remember, oh God, there was an episode, I know I there was
00:40:29
an episode of Ghost Adventures where they oh, I do we.
00:40:33
Would have to talk about this. OK, I know.
00:40:34
But they like there was a, they named a demon on that show and
00:40:39
then all of a sudden it was trending on Twitter like the
00:40:43
name of that demon. And so it's just like talk
00:40:49
about, you know, the media getting a hold of something that
00:40:53
maybe that's, you know, look, I don't necessarily prescribe to
00:40:59
demons necessarily. I do think that maybe there are
00:41:02
like pretty bad entities out there.
00:41:05
I think there's a lot of entities out there.
00:41:07
I think there's neutral. I think there's good.
00:41:09
I think that, you know, but belief is pretty strong, man.
00:41:14
And if you believe your entities are bad and doing stuff.
00:41:18
Agreed. The human mind is very powerful.
00:41:21
Agreed. To imagine the demons are like
00:41:24
I'm trending. I'm trending.
00:41:26
Wow, this is what going viral feels like.
00:41:31
This is great. Jeez.
00:41:34
Yeah, No, I mean, when I think of that, like, do we have a
00:41:38
responsibility to filter or are we like a doorway?
00:41:42
Like what? I mean, I definitely think we
00:41:46
could be, but also ghost stories are so many other things as
00:41:53
opposed to just being, I don't know, a demon portal, you know,
00:42:00
like there's like a, there's like a million other things that
00:42:03
a ghost story is. It's a cautionary tale.
00:42:05
It's history, it's, you know, memories, it's memories, like
00:42:11
it's all sorts of things. So like you, I don't think you
00:42:14
can filter by being afraid, especially because it's like you
00:42:19
could come from a religion where you don't believe in demons at
00:42:22
all, you know what I mean? And you could have heard that
00:42:24
and been like, this guy's weird. You know, like I said, like,
00:42:30
like that's and it would be like, oh, that guy just had the
00:42:32
stomach flu and died. You know, like you could
00:42:34
literally reinterpret all of that.
00:42:37
So. But you can't discount people's
00:42:40
bullies. Like having going through
00:42:42
something all I could. Think of when you were telling
00:42:45
me that was King Tut's tomb. You know, like how everyone was
00:42:48
like, oh, it's a curse. It's a curse.
00:42:50
That's right. And then it's like, oh, actually
00:42:52
all of these people really randomly died of random stuff.
00:42:57
So it just looked like they all died at the same time.
00:43:00
But was it? Was it like?
00:43:02
A It was. Like a yeah, I don't even know
00:43:06
if they had a full sport thing. I think it was just like, what's
00:43:08
his name? Lord Carnarvon died of a
00:43:11
mosquito bite. Someone else was hit by a car
00:43:15
later. Like they all like.
00:43:18
The theory was that. Right, like the spores?
00:43:20
Yeah, the. Theory was it was the spores,
00:43:22
but it was just like, yeah, I don't, I don't even think it was
00:43:25
that specific. I think it was just so random,
00:43:28
but like everyone just kept tying it together.
00:43:31
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's terrible because also
00:43:34
I feel like that story with Josue like that, that that kind
00:43:38
of made the show bigger, right? Oh yeah.
00:43:42
Because it was. Like, you know, is that the host
00:43:46
partnering with that guy for putting him on the air?
00:43:50
You know, like, is that sacrificing?
00:43:52
Himself, no. I don't think he sacrificed
00:43:55
himself, but it is definitely like a like, Oh, well, I'm going
00:44:01
to promote this all out into the universe and so it's going to
00:44:08
benefit me just like it. All it gave that guy all that
00:44:10
money was it was it? Greed.
00:44:13
Oh, probably. I don't know like could.
00:44:16
Could he have? Could the host have been chasing
00:44:19
fame and and money somehow linked to this demon entity now
00:44:25
I mean. He's trying to monetize.
00:44:27
Off of OK, look. What we do for the content?
00:44:33
What we do for the content, Edwin, See.
00:44:36
OK. OK, I got, I got to be realistic
00:44:38
here. I don't think I would play the
00:44:39
Ouija board for the content. I really no.
00:44:42
I wouldn't play. I don't.
00:44:42
I wouldn't play the Ouija board either.
00:44:44
I just don't know enough about it.
00:44:45
I don't want to like gamble and do Ouija.
00:44:50
I'm even. Afraid of like tarot cards.
00:44:52
So yeah, I know. You're afraid of tarot cards,
00:44:54
but I don't. Tarot cards are just so the arts
00:44:58
Pretty. Yeah, no, I like, did you ever
00:45:03
get did? They ever tell you about that
00:45:05
tarot card thing? The the gift that was supposed
00:45:07
to be a surprise. Oh yeah, wait, I think so.
00:45:12
No, I never got anything. No.
00:45:14
Dang, that got. Lied.
00:45:16
OK. Oh, well, good thing I didn't
00:45:17
tell you. The thing was that she had heard
00:45:20
that you really wanted this certain tarot card deck or
00:45:22
something. Or I don't know what you call
00:45:23
them. Oh yeah.
00:45:24
I don't know which one it was, but I forget now it was a.
00:45:27
Simpsons One. Oh, the.
00:45:29
Simpsons won, Yes. I really, I still won.
00:45:32
I don't use it. Maybe I could just send it.
00:45:35
Where's the address? And I'm like, sure, here's
00:45:37
Michelle's address. That's what he wanted.
00:45:42
That's what he wanted. He just shows up at their house
00:45:46
speaking through your window. Yeah, it's.
00:45:48
Like here in these Simpsons. And I'm like classic.
00:45:58
Oh bad. So I don't know, after all this,
00:46:02
I really feel like the the main question for me is can entities
00:46:05
travel through stories and can demons actually have the power?
00:46:09
Can entities have this the power to kill not just specifically
00:46:12
demons, but like, can these stories have the power to kill
00:46:17
I? Think it all just lies with
00:46:19
belief, man. Like if you believe it, it's
00:46:22
real, you know, like that's where it comes comes to, you
00:46:25
know, like it's, it's very weird.
00:46:29
It's very weird. And I don't think we'll ever
00:46:31
fully know. Yeah.
00:46:33
Good, good way to to include the story Any who, what are we going
00:46:38
to talk about next week? I don't know, but I bet it'll be
00:46:42
a surprise. Good times, Good times.
00:46:49
Yeah. All right, I'll, I'll.
00:46:54
Wow, cut that out. I don't know what just happened
00:46:56
there. See you all soon.
00:47:01
See ya, see ya.