David the Ghost With Prisca Dorcas Mojica Rodriguez

Hi, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is another episode of as Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things as Spoogy true crime in dat in America. But today today's a special episode. Today's the most special episode of a mom. Yes, because we had the most amazing guests ever. We were sonorous before recording. But let's let's say who the guest is before we go on about how we were growing up and crying. That's wedding like a my Dame and a song. Yes, Mom, spaghetti. Yeah, our guest today Rodriguez. Yes, the author of two books that we adore so much, for brown Girls with sharp edges and tender love and and Primas unknowing and loving the woman who raised us. And let me just say, these books I've never felt so seen. They must read, Yes, truly, truly, Yeah, for anyone. But not only is she the author of these bugs, but she has been a long time important Latina voice in my life. And then mine answer you told me after you sent me countless posts from Latina Rebels on Instagram. Yeah, I mean, I can't even remember how I came across Latina Rebels Apisca, but I have been following Pisca since I was a baby in my twenties, a younger baby, because you're still a baby course of course. Yeah. And I mean I could go on and on about how much I have learned, how amazing she is, on and on. We could. We could write a book about how much we left Prisca. I even she had a podcast for a bit and I listened to that. I didn't even know that, Oh that's a fan, that's a deep cut, that's a deep I was like tea or something like. I forgot what it was called, but in it, okay, I had no idea. Wow, but yeah, she came on. We have to say. So I was listening to and Prettymas and Carmen had already read it before me, but there was a section of Pretty Mass talking about the spookya who's his ghosts? And then I was like, well, Prisca obviously has ghost stories then, and so I was listening to it, and I was like, because we followed each other already, I just messaged her and I was dying inside because look, I know, I know Carmen and I are both like Leo's but we don't we promote ourselves, so we don't We're introvert leos if you will are Yeah, And isn't like you have to know us for us to really come out of our shell. Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say, Like, we have to already know each other like comfortably for us to appear like extroverts. You're not. We're most definitely not. No, if we're standing in line somewhere, I'm not going to make a conversation. Oh no, No, I don't think I've ever started a coment. People only start conversations with me. Yeah, we very much don't fit into that stereotype. But so I was dying a Messagingskay. I was like, I'm listening to this right now, and I think you have ghost stories? Can you come on the podcast and talk about ghost stories? And then she was like, oh my god, I'm dying. I'm so nervous. Yes, And I was like, no, pe Scott, we're dying, and it just we're just like her. Yes, yes, and now we're planning a trip to go to Nashville to go goat hunting. Yes, yes, but let me do a professional bio in case people don't know right right who Priscuy is. For some reason, for some goddamn reason. If you don't know, then you better get acquainted, Okay. Soguez was born in Manawanikarawa, but she calls Nashville, Tennessee home, which is why I said we're going to go there. She's a feminist, a theologian, storyteller, and an advocate. She got her Masters of Divinity from Vanderbilt University's Divinity School in the spring of twenty fifteen. She's a respective storyteller who has traveled across the USA telling stories to countless college and university students. She merges storytelling with pedic like I'm not aild degree. Thank you, pedagog Yes, thank you, I did read that book pedagogy. Oh what's called? I know what we we're talking about now, to help folks understand the larger forces at play aka systemic oppression as a first generation student and immigrant, and her passion is in naming the experiences of first generation students samgane systems not built for them. And literally, if you read like any of her books, it's that's what That's what I'm saying. I never felt so seen truly, truly. She's the oldest immigrant daughter and again not an eldest daughter in God oldest daughter. You and me and Christine are collectively the eldest daughters. That's twins together. And yeah, yeah, although I will say like spiritually I am the eldest daughter, I feel like in some way actually I think it splits between us and right, Yeah, sometimes I am and sometimes you are. We have different eldest daughter responsibilities within our family dynamic. Wow, this is crazy because they're twins. It's because we also have the one brains. Also that we do have one brain zone. Yeah, and this last part here, she is unapologetic, angry, and uncompromising about protecting and upholding the stories of LATINX communities. Oh my god. Yeah, yes, and that how was our guest today? And let's, I guess get into the episode unless you have anything else to say, no other than it was the best thing ever. It was. It was the best thing ever. Okay, let's yeah, let's get into it. Hi, this is Christina. That wasn't me, That was a kermis. But I'm also here, and we're here with Prisca. We're so excited. You already heard our intro. We are fangirling and sweating a little bit on all accounts. Yeah, yeah, this is like one of my favorite podcasts. I've been reading and looking forward to it at the same time. That's exactly what we've been feeling. Wow wow yeah, yeah, yeah, be the same. And yeah, we have a listener story like always, If anyone wants to send us your stories, please do because we're running out. You can email Spooky at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of our socials. You can call it a Spooky hotline. There's so many ways to get us your stories. So also, I hope I haven't read this one. I Usually the way I can tell if I read it already is because there's like a thing that I forwarded it to Carmen and this one didn't have that. So people will let us know if I read it already. But I don't recognize it. So, so have you read one before or like twice? I've done it like three times. Probably I never noticed. Yeah, the listeners noticed, though, some of them. They're like, hey, you read this already, And I'm like, oops, my bad. Do I need a better system? Yes, well I get one, No, all right, so yeah again, let me know if it's a repeat. All right. The first time I saw the hat Man, I was about eight years old. We lived in a haunted house in the country in a small town in Idaho. Each of my family members has a story, including the non believers, but this is the main one that affected me and some of my nieces. I used to sleep in the living room because I was the youngest of ten and we only had three bedrooms. My brother even had to sleep in a trailer out back because there was no room me. Mammy used to keep night lights on so no one would trip going to the bathroom, but they used to create shadows on the walls. One of the shadows was the hat Man. He was tall and thin and had a fedora hat with a long cloak with the collar turned up, not a fedora and the collar up. Okay that I had not heard a description of the hat man with this. This is the hat man from the two thousands, I think so. Yeah, he graduated high school in twenty ten. Wait were people still doing that the pop collar? Yeah? I think so. I don't remember. I think it was a little bit before to whatever going. Okay, it was my It was like two thousand and five. My era. Okay, that's when this hat man was in school, all right. He was more of a shadow. I could see through him, and he would stretch himself to an impossible height and had really long fingers and sharp teeth. I remember in the first years, I wouldn't get sleep paralysis, and I could move. I would usually cover my head with my blanket and say the me that prayer. This is in parentheses. I'm no longer religious, but I still say this. I'm scared same. Eventually I would fall asleep and wake up safe. One day I saw him in the daytime. It was April and I was eleven, so this would have been in two thousand and one. I saw the hat man off and on, but this was the first time I would see him in the light. Since we lived in the country, the bus had to pick us up, and it was always too early, like six forty five am. By now, all my siblings had moved out and I was the only one left. I would usually go out to wait for the bus ten minutes or ten minutes early, because if I missed it, no one would be home to take me. I should also mention we had no close neighbors. The nearest ones were half a mile away, and we were surrounded by fields and a patch of sagebrush the desert. I was gonna say, dessert desert across the street. Welcome to Idaho. Lol. It sounds terrible, but there was a river nearby. Often in the early mornings there would be a thick, heavy fog that would settle over the area, and that day the fog was thick. I remember looking to my right to try and see if I could see the bus's fog lights blinking in the distance. Instead, I saw him, the tall hat man, looking extremely tall and thin that day. Even though he was at the stop sign that was about a block away, I could tell he was smiling, and he was starting to run towards me. Oh my god, I panicked. But then I saw the lights of the bus like a beacon in the fog. I started to pray the bus would get here before him, and watched with hopeful eyes as the bus passed through him. But he was not far behind. I had to cross the street to get on the bus, and normally the bus driver puts on the stop sign and motions for me to pass, but I was now waiting that day. By the time the bus stopped, I was already across the street trying to open the damn bus doors myself. The hat man was so close I could see his coat was tattered and his mouth was wide open, showing his sharp white teeth. I jumped in the bus and yelled at the driver to close the door. She was shocked and asked if I was okay. I turned around and the hat man was gone. Embarrassed, I said I was just cold, sorry, and I sat in my seat. That was the one and only time I saw him in the daylight. Incidentally, I recently found out my nieces also saw him when they stayed over at my parents' house, but they never told me until we had all grown up. As a teen, I started to have sleep prolysses, and he would often make an appearance. Usually he'd be at the foot of my bed or in my doorway watching me. This usually happened if I was stressed or anxious over something, which was all the time. Then in my early twenties, I started to get new sleep prelessis demons appearing. The next one I can only describe as being smooth and gray, almost alien like. Instead of eyes and a mouth, it had empty sockets that seemed to go on forever. This one was cruel, as it would have mimicked the voice of my husband would hold me while I was on my side, like we were spooning. The third one was almost funny, like it was a fuzzy puffball and it made grumlin noises at the foot of my bed. By the time I was twenty nine, I've had enough. I asked my mom to do a Lympia on me, as I hadn't been sleeping for three weeks, and each time I did, I saw one of those pincha lemonios. She did, and after that I could finally sleep. I'm now thirty two and I no longer see any sleep demons. I so get sleep prolyssis, but it's mostly me saying no as I started to come out of it. Hopefully I never see them again, Yes, hopefully, because wow, that's that's terrifying. I can't wait. They held out on Olympia for twenty nine years, right, yeah, that would have been me on day one. What is that thing? I feel like I've heard of the hat man. There's like a lore about it. What are they? They're like certain type of things that people A lot of people see them? And my wrong? Or am I just two? In the spooky podcast. Real No No, yeah, it's a very very common thing that people see. There's also there was a TikTok challenge where people were like chugging benadryl to see if they would And I don't I don't recommend this at all, Like I don't know, I didn't know about that. Yeah, they were chugging benadru and then at some point this would make you see the hat Man. But some people don't need benadrul to see them. Some people just see them all over the world. Yeah, there's even a website like hat Man stories dot com or something like that. That's not the name but of it. Okay, okay, that's fine. Yeah, it's like he's a shadow, a specific type of shadow people. But people see shadow people all the time, and some people think they're like demonic other people think they're angels. Other people think they're like omens that come to warn you. And I think, like most commonly people see them when they're stressed. So I don't want to I ever see one, So k one would Yeah, neither, because it's right next to me and I'm in a very tiny space. What I want to know is if the different oh wait that not all the shadow people wore hats. I was gonna say, there's a different hat men in different countries they wear like their regional hat where, you know what I mean, Like in Mexico, did somebody at all? Right? And then like or even Texas. Yeah, you know, I don't know, like a Fedora in the two thousands, you know what I mean? I honestly only ever heard of them more in like a Fedora type hat. Oh what did I think? It was like a long hat, like yeah, like Abe Lincoln. I was just going to say, yeah, that's what I know. I think it's like a shorter hat. Yeah, like a shorter than a top hat. So yeah, I guess fedora is really the best description. Okay, well that was the listener story. And now pretty Scott Carmen and I read yes and pretty Mass and I don't remember if it was a it was a not a pretty Mas, right the paranormal? Yeah yeah, yeah, who sees phantasmas? Yes? Yes, And while we are not her because we don't see fantasmas, I think we're very like closed off. We were like our mom, is this this dia? For sure? Just too many eghost stories. They're all terrifying. And that chapter I was like oh, well, police Gut probably has ghost stories. So where do we even start? First? I remember radio episode where you said your apartment was haunted. Yeah, I've lived in two places that were haunted. One was my parents and then now where I'm living in this place. But yeah, I'm pretty sure I spooked him. But my parents. One was a woman and it was in my brother's room. She just stayed there, so I never saw her, but everybody knew about her. I don't know if that makes sense. Like my brother was like I woke up on sleep paralysis and I saw this woman standing and my sister had a dream and she saw her and I just felt her. It was like that like if his room if the house it was night and his room was open and dark. I hated walking through that. Oh my god. And we shared a bathroom. My sister and I had this one room together. He had his own bedroom and we shared a bathroom. And you know, like the door connects you can open like a little fake it's a real door, but it slides in. It's like a pocket door that would go to his room. And if he left it open, I'd be still pissed, like I'd like, you know, like yourself right, Like I'd like reach in and close it before I go to go into the bathroom, because like she was terrifying. I hated being home alone. My mom. She always says, we, uh, we didn't let her learn English because she started taking classes in the community college and we called her crying, me and my sister because she left us alone and we were like, she's here, She's gonna come and get us. Yeah, so she blames us for not learning English, right, right, English? Oh my god? Yeah. Yeah, so we all the kids felt her. My mom she if if she got too carried away made us more scared. My dad would get mad at her because then they couldn't do shit without us, So she had to like pretend that it wasn't real, even though we would catch moments where she'd be like, oh, that scared me. I think I saw something or whatever. She would like mention it, but then my dad would give her like shut the fuck up by. Yeah. Yeah, So we grew up with that. And then this house has a man. Yeah, and which one's worse. I don't know if. I'm just in a better space as a kid. You're so vulnerable, you can't believe I couldn't drive. I couldn't, you know what I mean, Like. I was stuck in the house. Yeah, yes, And my parents we were indoor kids, and my parents weren't like, oh, go play outside. No, Like I didn't go outside ever, so like if it was scary me, I wasn't gonna go outside. I was just like gonna go to my room that was right next to it. So I feel like I have more agency or more power, yes, and. That feels good. He also isn't stuck to the house. He's like, uh, in the neighborhood, like. The corner comes and goes. Yeah, And I only got confirmation of him thought. I mean, I think my only pick me like tendencies come in like the ways that I try to disprove that ghosts aren't real sometimes. But that's like my pick me tendencies that sometimes I'd be like. Are you sure? And I hate it, but I like do that to myself, and I had. Who got fighting yourself? You're like you see something from the side and you're like, oh, it must have been the hair or whatever, but like you just like dismiss it. And I kept doing that. And then so my husband was traveling for work and he would leave Sunday night and come back Thursday night and spend the weekend like Friday Saturday, and then leave Sunday. So I was home alone Sunday night, so fucking Thursday that was I was just sleeping alone. And so I would put I'm a very scared person. Surprisingly, I don't think people know that. Like I am too, like I'm scared of shit, like I'm like it's dark. I put a stadium all around the house like when I'm home alone, like it is every corner is lit. So when he wasn't home, I would put the alarm out away. The dogs would be in the bedroom with being I would close the door. We don't do that one more together. It's always at stay because the dog came roam and the doors are open. But I had put it away and I was with the dogs, and I would get really high to go to sleep, because like you know, marijuana helps you go to sleep. Yeah. And I would also put like pots and pants on the handle of the doors, which is like my grandma's alarm system too. So I was like if the alarm doesn't trip it, the pop foul following will trip. It or whatever. But I was in my bed. I was really high and it was the middle of the night, and I just like got up and we had a dog, a boy. We had a boy dog and a girl dog. The girl dog's a pitbull. She's over here sleeping, but the boy's gone. But he was a like a lab boxer mix and he was like a ninety five pound big dog and he's really sweet. Anyways, I like woke up and Randy was sitting looking up and there was a man petting him, and he like, no, it was like glowing, like it was like the room was lit up. And he he didn't look like a person, Like he didn't look like he was of this dimension or this era. And I was just like and I just like laid back. I didn't see Yeah, and I covered my wages because I was like, if Brandy's not scared of him, he can't be a bad man. That's what I was telling myself. I do that. I sounded like he had like an indelic glow to him. Yeah. I was like, I don't feel scared, which is also a thing, Like I felt scared of the woman in my parents' house. I didn't feel scared of this man. And so I just like fell back asleep. Apparitions are really rare. I found out sick. They are like a number of people that see like a full blown apparition. Yeah, it's yeah, not a lot. Yeah. He had a hat on. He was white, and he looked like his clothes was flowy, like the undergarments of like back in the day. So he had like his. Flowy clothes and like his what it would be like the underwear, but they were like capris. Looking anyway, long pants. Yeah, And I mostly have felt him upstairs in our guest room, so this was the first time that I had to see them downstairs and it's our room. And I like told my partner about it when he got back, and he was like, ha ha ha ha. You know marijuana makes you to see things. I was like sure, I said, no one ever, but. I'm sorry, this isn't LSD. Yeah, right, And then I made friends with there was We had a neighbor across the street. She was witchy. She's like reiki and like like you know, crystals and whatever. So she's like, let's go to the crystal shop and pick out some crystals. See what our souls called to us or whatever. And I was like sure, let's go. I love with some WITCHI she. And I love like white. I'm down for each other. I don't know. I don't know a lot about like Mexican brouca yet, but I feel like it doesn't involve that many crystals. I sound like a white woman's like, this crystal is for your house to protect it. I'm like, yes, I'll take it, I'll give it to Yeah. Yeah, all my crystals are because I herd I met her, and I have a bunch of crystals. But we went to get him, and I'm the drave back. We're turning into like because we're on the dead end. As returning in, she was like, so have you met David? And I was like, what are you talking? What are you talking about? Yeah, because like I don't talk to anybody. The first their neighbor I've talked to and she tells me all the neighborhood gossips. So I'm like, I don't know anybody. And she's like, oh, the neighborhood ghost and I was like I think. I have. Yes, yeah, yeah, And I told her my story. She's like, I'm surprised that you didn't get a bad vibe because my kids cry a lot, and they don't like She's seen him with her daughter and the daughter was crying, and. So he doesn't like kids. So she's like, I don't think he likes kids because she's like, I don't get a bad vibe toward like me basically, but I get bad vibes toward my kids when he's around. So yeah, I was like, oh, so he hops to house the house here, He's just he's locked in the land. He's not locked in the houses. Cool, cool, cool cool cool. Yeah. Yeah. So honestly, if you were a ghost, that would be like the best scenario I think, where you can like go see different people instead of being stuck in like a room. Yeah, that sounds worse. Yeah, And I think they're attracted to energy, so I'm like, yeah, go to go to the negative vibes will keep it positive. Here, we're like we don't welcome around those kids, yeah right right, Yeah. And I think I accidentally kicked him out because I did a big Olympia, Like I was falling down the stairs a lot for a while, and so I was like, somebody put in Mardlaho and I just needed to do Olympia. And since I did Olympia. I haven't seen them, so. Oh yeah, okay, yeah he's been in the kids room shadows. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but my go those are like my Maine two experiences that I've had. Man, Yeah, neither of us have ever seen anything. We have like a fake ghost story where I scared everyone because I was scared. Where we were, like at the at this true crime festival paranormal podcast festival. We were with I don't know if you listened to Susto, but we were with Aiden from susta podcast, and then Lady who has an insane amount of podcasts, and we were eating pizza and then like the the door was already half open, and but I didn't see it that it was already half open. And then a closet kicked on. Yeah, it was like a closet door. And then the door like flew open because it was already open, and the AC turned on. But I just saw a door open, and I know, I was like, did that door just open? You saw it? And then you just started screaming and I didn't even get a chance to explain, like I think it was AC, yeah, and then you scared everyone by screaming. I started screaming, and then I climbed over Carmen on the table and then she was like, and you want to go go shunting, you dumb bitch. Yeah, I want to go go hunting, And like, I have cra certain things, So yeah, I get it. It's fun to get scared. I think it's really fun. It is I the only one. I don't know. I mean, I think it is fun, but I think the moment I encountered like a real ghost, I will you're just a littlelyitch. Yeah, over and dying. Yeah. Yeah, but we have we have to see should we all go go hunting together? Have a oh my gosh. Yeah, and we have to bring up pet though I think pets are really aware of what's happening. Carmen, let's bring my low Mallow's already there. I honestly don't think he would be that aware. He doesn't even notice, like when we're when I'm walking him and there's like cats or any other animal. He only notices dogs that are smaller than him. I think it's an ego thing. Surprise. That's so sweet. Actually, I don't know why. Wait, but I've seen or like I have hotel stuff. Have you all like been at hotels that you felt were haunted, or like. Oh, I don't, I don't experience haunting, just that fake uh door, it's not even something you shouldn't tell just stop saying it. Yes, but I can't. But yeah, other than that, it's haunted. See, yeah I was haunted. Yes you were you haunted? Using Okay, Yeah, but no, we don't. We don't experience like anything. Like one of our house is no, actually, almost every house I feel like they've been haunted. Yeah, allegedly they've been haunted. And everyone has ghost stories in these houses except that two of us. Wait, like, I don't know. I don't know why. I feel like I'm the least witchiest of my friends, Like I legit. I'm always jealous of the things they see and the things they feel going into places, And right now I feel really witchy though, because I do, I'll feel like there's a spirits here. No us nothing, which is crazy because our mom and our brother literally very witchy. They could have a show. They're like, they're yeah, they see everything, and us we're like, nope, absolutely nothing like that. The house people are like, oh, we heard footsteps up in our brother's room. Was haunted and both of the houses we were at, Yeah, I think they only it has to be really bad, where like you feel like a temperature drop in the room. But at that point, I feel like anybody would feel it. If I'm feeling it, then the situation is not like because yeah, we don't. We don't see or hear anything like that. One house in Oakland, the first one we lived in, our brother couldn't sleep in his room. He kept saying there was like something there in that room. Everyone was like, it feels creepy in here. People would hear footsteps. It did feel colder in that room. I will say that I didn't actually feel that. Yeah, our cousin has a story of being like feeling like a hand when she's shammering, but obviously like no one else is in the shower and like scratches and we're like, wow, I had no idea. And they talked about hearing like whispers that's right from coming from that room. M Yeah, I'm so surprised. I guess I wonder what happened, because like, sometimes it just feels like intuition hauntings, Like right, when something just feels weird, do you do you chalk it? To intuition or are you just and are other people being like this is a ghost? Like I wonder. You know, I don't know. Am I intuitive? I don't think, so I can say I don't. I don't think. Yeah, how am How am I still alive? That's the question, and that pertains to all aspects of live, including us. Yeah, we like to say we share one brain cell, and so that brain cell doesn't say that's why it's so close off to ghost? What do you think makes you closed off to it? I've always wondered it about me too, because like my mom's witch here, I've got witchy friends, and I'm always like. Okay, have you heard it's like on the gift? Is that a thing that like your family says at all? It doesn't feel like a gift at all. But they're too Christians? Yeah, maybe because they converted right, like they weren't always maybe before when was it from Catholicism to Yes, the usual Catholics are very witchy, very yeah, they are the most Like I almost feel like we weren't even real Catholics ever because we didn't seen it. But no, that was like a thing like they would say, oh that person has like that person has a gift, and I feel like, well, we don't have the doon at all, but we have like like someone was telling us that we probably just like I don't want to see ghosts at all, like just in like our own which is true, which is true, and like we just closed ourselves off completely. Like what's it called when you accidentally do something. There's like a term for it. Subconsciously. Yeah, I got there. Our one my brain cell was working, not yours, Carmen. Yeah, like we just did that subconsciously, and that's why we just like have never seen anything. But I could see it from from seeing how scared our brother was from everything he saw. I could see like subconsciously closing. That's true because see, yeah, it was like screaming in the middle of the night, running into our parents room. He couldn't even be like he's gonna be so well, he doesn't talk to us, he's gonna be so mad as wen't talking about him. But he doesn't matter, he doesn't want anywhere. No, But he was like really haunted, just like our mom had that like haunting around the same age as when you say yeah, like yeah, well his he was little, but and then our dad said he he would see ghosts too, so it's just us too. Yeah, but like a typical savv man, he's like I would punch the ghosts and we're like whatever please. But also like why does that tinkle my brain? Like I've heard it before. He's like, yeah, that goes hard just to scare me. But I was like no, and I went and we were like. He's like I reached you the fan and I was like, I'm dead. Yeah, my dad saw ghost too. It was like normal growing up. So I think I think it's weird that I don't feel and see as much for sure, But yeah, I grew up with that being like super common, super talked about. It's almost weird to me. So my partner is white, and I always like try to figure out like is he just lying that he doesn't see anything? And I'm always like. Oh, is he like super logical too, like trying to explain it away, because that's my husband is half white and half Filipino, and so he just like channels the white side when it comes to ghosts because also very start yes they are, yes, yes they are, and he's not, and so he's like, uh, we'll explain something away and and I'm like, I don't know about that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. He shuts it down all the time, but one day he admitted he did feel something. And I was like, he was in the bathroom. His office is upstairs, and he was in the bathroom. He sat something at the corner of his eye, and I was like, so you saw. The red. Yeah yeah. He has since pretended it never happened, but oh yeah, I remember, yeah there were yeah. Yeah. I also feel like images. I don't have to see it, I just know what they look like. Sometimes so interesting. I was a flash, like yeah, like exactly, like a flash, like I was in the hotel room. I just get a lot. I end up in a lot of hotels, and I have had two ghosts encounters in hotel rooms, but recently. Okay hotel. It's a Marriott, one of the Marriotts, and because I only stay a Marriott, and it was old though, but they had like done upgrades, but you could tell it was old. Anyways, I was like trying to fall asleep by struggle with falling asleep when I'm traveling, and it was all dark, and I just saw like a flash of a man skinny naked standing at the foot of the bed. He had like no hair here, but a lot of bushy hair here, and like just standing there naked, like flaccid and. Looking at me. And I was like, another fool apple. It wasn't visual. Though it was. It was just a flash and I saw it in my head and I turned on the light and I was like the fuck, but like there's nothing there, so I turned it off and I kept trying to go to sleep. So I get that, Like I get like these like weird, this is weird. I don't like this. Wow, No, not us. There's just like a ghost tours you can do in Portland. It's under like a pizza place of the tunnels. Yeah, the tunnels. I don't even remember the name of the pizza place, but I mean if anyone googles like pizza place Hunted Portland, it's going to be the only one, I think, yeah, because it has those tunnels. And we did a tour there with our mom and the whole time our mom was like, no, I don't like it in this room, and she felt like sick to her stomach, and then she was like stop taking pictures, don't record me. We could not record her. She did not allow us to record her, and then in another room she was like, it smells like fire here, and it didn't smell like fire, but she smelled the fire. And then the person giving the tour was like, oh, this is where the fire happened. We after our mom said it, and I was like, oh, she knows. I don't remember that she knows. Do you ever wonder if you could activate it or try to? You all don't want to know. Someone told us that they could teach us how to open it, and I was like, no, thank you. She did tell us that. Yeah, yeah, and she was like, yeah, you guys can learn. It's like something anyone can learn. And I was like not me, no, no. No, what would you do with one of your kids? Is like I saw a ghost. Let me tell you what I have done. Yes, I gats slighted them. It was not my youngest too, but my stepson. And again my mom one day was like, yeah, there's a ghost, little girl ghost in your room. And I was like, no, don't tell me. She said it was a little boy. Oh I thought she said it was. It doesn't matter, it was a little kid ghost. I thought she said girl. She was like yeah, your house is tunted and I was like, please don't tell me more like yeah, that was me like covering my ears. But before she said that though my steps and was like I heard a little girl laugh in my room and I was like, are you asleep? Were you dream He was like no, I was awake and I was like, no, you were probably dreaming. And then he was like no, I heard it, and I was like, shut the fuck up. No, there's no way. And then he was like was it a ghost? And I was like, uh no, ghosts aren't real, literally the worst. And what maybe I should have like validated, should be like you can just tell it to go away, but no, I was scared. What's racing to throw up? Was that before the podcast or after? It was? Before? Oh? What did you do things differently? Now? No, I probably wouldn't, like I would want to, but in the moment, you're like, in the moment I would, I would start praying and then they'd be like you've never done this, What are you doing? What are you doing? Who's gone? Yeah, I didn't know. I don't know what the play is in that, because like I feel like you can fan the flames and make them more scared and then you're going to face the consequences of that. But then you also want to like encourage I don't know, maybe. They have I hope not. If they do, they need to keep it to themselves. Yeah, it's like the did you ever watch ghost Whisper. With I know? I it was randomly on in Spanish sometimes like and I would watch the end of episode. Yeah, but I never fully like watched the whole thing. Oh yeah, I was obsessed with it. So the lore behind it is that her mom always told her she was crazy when she would tell her mom that she would hear like ghosts telling her stuff. And then it turns out in the show, when she's like much older and they don't have a really good relationship the mom, she discovers that the mom has the same gift. The mom just like pretends it isn't happening because she's scared and like me, they had a huge rift and like it wasn't a good relationship, but like, yeah, it was like a thing that they had to repair or whatever. I was like, oh, all right, okay, okay. So you have a ghost whisper. Potentially it was the one time and then it did he didn't like say anything. But maybe it's because I was like, no, yeah, probably knows, who knows if we continue to see anything. And then after that, but I think it's because I already knew the story. I felt so scared going into that room. Oh yeah. And then when we switched him to the other room and put the youngest in there, it was fine. So then I was like, I don't know if not alone, Yeah, I don't, I don't know, it was. It was strange. And then one time when I was and again I was trying to explain it away to myself because I don't I don't want it to be real, but I was I don't remember if it was when my oldest was like a tiny newborn, I think it was him, not yeah, it was him, so it was him, yeah, And you know, I'm like half asleep. I don't even remember those like time, like that time period until he was like three, I basically like, I don't know what was happening. Yeah, he regained your memory, Yes, I regained life really yeah, But but those first like three months were just in I don't even know how it was functioning. And so I was like half a sleep walking from the living room to my room in the middle of the night, like it must have been honestly, like two three am, and I heard like a very faint mama and I hate didn't talk yet. No, first, he didn't talk. He's like literally a month old at most, my stepson. He's not gonna call me mama. I gotta be weird. So it wasn't him. Also, it was like like a fine little voice and nobody like sounds like that, and so I was like nope, and I just went and I fell asleep, and then I was like, yeah, no, that didn't happen. That's basically how I lived. I don't know what that was, except I was hallucinating because I was like so sleep deprived. So that's how I explained it away to myself. But then later, like a year or two after that, is when my mom said like, oh, your house is haunted, like there's like a little girl in that room. And then I was like, oh my god, a little girl that sounds like that would have been like the mama that I heard. But then I was like, no, no, so you totally have haunting stories. You just you do have a lot. Yeah, I don't know, because I didn't I've never heard or seen anything like that. Yeah, you know what, maybe I do. Okay, let me run this story by you. Then the store, No, not the store Tommy was with with us. That could have been her. Yeah, that could have been I don't know, but no, this is a separate one. So I was again asleep, and then who were we? Oh we had been researching something for all that remember what Oh the shape shifting like thing from the name of the White Chio. That's what we were researching. And I had finished, like everything, we had finished recording, and that night I was asleep and I heard like in my dream this like raspy man voice say something like oh you want but in Spanish like oh no sky so weed ha ha ha. And I was like, like, I joke up. I was so cold and sweaty my heart was seen. And then I was like no, no, I don't want to hear you, and like nobody everyone else was like sound asleep, like my husband. My husband snort so loud, so he probably didn't hear me, like just like screaming like no, I don't want to hear you. Get out of here. And then after that that was like literally the last time I ever heard anything. But you know what, Oh my god, now I'm rambling the mama, like hearing the mama. And this was not that far apart. It was like maybe months. So I'm a big So this is this is my explained stuff. Right. There's this academic who I use as a source in my in my book, but she talks gets about like uh so she's she studies ghosts, encounters, and hauntings and what she like her thesis is that oppression when you don't have a name for it, when like she's just going wrong all the time because you're like a woman of color who's an immigrant who you know what I mean. So stuff's just always going wrong. And we don't have a name for it. They feel like. They feel like a haunting, they feel like something like you start getting paranoid because you're like, is someone following me? Is someone watching me? Did someone put this on me? So anyways, that's one of her theories. And I will say the most activity I've had with David was at the beginning of my relationship, and this is my second marriage. I had moved here after we were like dating for like five months. I moved from Miami back to Nashville, and moved into his house. So like I was like, my soul is not okay, Like, am I safe? Is this a safe situation? Like if anything happens, what's gonna happen to me? Am I gonna be homeless? So I have to move back to Miami? Like there was just like a lot of uns certainty. And I think that that makes us maybe open to more stuff than we would normally be or something. I've always heard that. Yeah, like during stressful times. Yeah, yeah, there's just turmoil and sometimes it feels like hauntings and it can manifest and self as huntings. I don't know, or it's just straight up you're just more open. And so goes to like nope, I'm going to wait there, not that one because. You're like fresh from like yeah that was you having a little baby stressful imagine? Yeah, yes, you know what. That makes a lot of sense. That's another reason people say kids are more like, uh, susceptible to huntings or like whenever they say, oh, this is a poultry geist, like that's like why so many of it is Like teens especially like that period where you go from like kid to teen is like so and that's like that's the most turmoil. That's like the worst guy. You feel like you're on your attack by your own body and hormones and you're just like I cried, like I think for seven years straight. It was awful. I also blocked that time period. I don't remember anything. Oh yeah, I have huge chunks gone. We try to like be dr and my body's just like no, yeah, yeah. There's yeah, there's there's so much I don't remember. So that would yeah, that would explain. Oh my god, that would expend so much. I'm mind blown right now. Our ghosts or ghosts always our ghosts I because I want to be I want to see ghosts. I want to believe that they're out there. Hear her, hear her? Are you. Like when my mom was hung as her story and she's all like, because I'm talking about this, sounds like no, you're not welcome here. No, And then she was like that doesn't work and we were like, ma, it must have worked for me. Don't say that. Yeah, it just sounds so cool. But people have so many stories. I I'm always like, oh, yeah, this one guy I saw petting my dog like you know. And meanwhile people are like, my friend found out her family history, like her grandfather was murdered and in front of the grandmother he died on her lap, like he was shot in the head, and so they never met him, the grandkids. But she like went to Guatemala again and like felt super connected to him spiritually, came back, made an altar for him. Apparently he liked whiskey, so she would like set a couple of whiskey and it would it would be empty every morning, and I was just like, I want. That shiite cone. That what I would welcome. Like I feel like everybody but me has had like a story, even a tiny one with after our grandfather passed away where they're like, oh, I smelled his perfume and I'm like, oh, I saw him in my dream and I'm like, I haven't seen anything. Oh yeah, I've dreamt him a few times. And they say, yeah, that's literally them visiting you. That's how they can visit you in their dreams, uh, and not me. So that's up, Like I would love that stuff. That is like I want to be that connected like this random white guy David. But if my grandma came and talked to me because I'm so open, that that would be legit. I'd be like, all right, yeah, this kid welcome. Yeah. Yeah. Her mom had that experience with her grandpa where he would kind of come. It seemed like he would come and warn her whenever something bad was going to happen, and she would dream him like either crying or something like like different things like that. She would he would be sitting or like facing away from her, walking away from her, trying to catch up, and if she couldn't catch up to him, uh, something like bad would happen. And that's literally every time she had that dream, or she'd be like I saw him and I sat in a bench and he didn't like say word to me. He kept turning away from me, and I just have a feeling something bad is going to happen because of that dream. And then someone would die yeah yeah. Or one time it was a woman got to a car accident. Yeah yeah, I would want like that. My mom has like something bad's gonna happen stuff or something is going to happen, and always something happens when she says it, and it's happened like five times my whole life that she'll say it, and I don't get any feeling like I would love a little warning about anything. I would like that to be a little intuitive and like a little bit like future telling me. Yeah, give me a heads up, like my anxiety would really love it? Right? Or would it be worse? Maybe I don't do terror for that reason. I'm like, what do you mean? I would never remember what each card man, and I would like literally say the wrong thing. That's why I can't be trusted. But yeah, I don't know if people remember these things. Practice that means death, then it doesn't. Yeah you're gonna die. Wow. That was me when I first was dealt the death card. I was like, I'm dying, got it? Thanks? No, And it was great. That was great rebirth or something. I was like, okay, like a phoenix. Yeah, first and last time though doing taro. I don't do well with knowing, so maybe. I've never done that or gone to like what are those other ones that tell the future like pyecakes or yeah, I couldn't like a watch and teller. No that's psychic. Oh okay, just already said it. I don't just add anything. You're right, I want to do one, but there's so many hacks. Yeah, right, but there are good ones. I have a friend who's who's gatekeeping. Hers only pissed about it. I'm like, what's the link not gate keep everything? Yeah yeah, and like she told me, Oh my gosh, she's so accurate, and I'm like I've literally been like, what's fair? Email, nothing, nothing leads you on rid. Yeah, she doesn't see it. Yeah, yeah, because there are there's so many hags like I'm not gonna just walk somewhere. I need word of mouth, I need verification, you. Need the details, you need that contact right there. Yeah. Now our mom actually it's such like I don't know what is it with our mom? But she was in Mexico. It said, you're right, it's the gift. She went to someone in like a psychic in Mexico. I thought it was her aunt. Was it her aunt? I think? So that's worse to me. I don't know why, which ant or which he ant? Okay, so that's who told her, like literally everything that was going to happen to like the last like I don't know what to thinking almost like to something I don't know when though to that to a tea, like she's like, you're going to have three kids, two of them are going to go to the military, you're the person who you're the father of your children. That's not the love of your life. Like and my mom's like, what, oh, your your future is not in Mexico, Like it's miles and miles away. And she's like before she had any thought about leaving. Yeah, yeah, and all of that, that's true. We need the contact, we need, we need to know. I think so if I'm remembering right, I remember see the whole time. Though I thought it was a random I mean I could it could be that her aunt took her to her friend who was the psychic. God might have been it. Yeah, she might not be alive. We don't know. I was even too scared to know. Though. Christians, I don't know if it's in the Catholic Church, but we have prophets who are like Christian psychics. Do you all have that? Because they're in the Bible. They're just I never heard of, y. Yeah, they're like in the Bible there's prophets would be like you're you're gonna die if you don't do that, if you don't do what God says or whatever. But like they make predictions like that. They they're like modern ones. And so I've interacted with them, and the way that it works is like instead of a sermon, they'll just be a prophet and he'll he'll say people's names out loud, and then the people will get up because they've been summoned, I'll and he'll tell them their future. Yeah. It was very but also you kind of want to be picked, Like it's kind of like exciting because it's like the prophet got a message from God about you. Let's go, what is it? My God? I'd be like, that's too personal. You don't have to tell me. You don't have to tell the whole congregation because say in. Front of everyone, oh yeah, oh God, imagine you're gonna die. Yeah. But it was like really intense stuff that you were like, it was like a public reading. Wow. And was this prophet correct? I don't know because I don't remember them because I just remember being like I. Didn't walk out. I was just waiting the whole time, like was he gonna say about me? Nothing? Nothing? He said nothing? He said something, my brother, But I don't remember that either. I have to ask him. Would I was so self centered. I was like, it wasn't about me, because that would be us too. I would do the same. You know what I would remember if it was something about you, Christina, but not a brother. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's like if it's me, it's like you. Yeah, that's why I would remember, because it's still like related to me, you know. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Wait wait wait are you? Are you a Leo Tour? Yes? I love it. Yeah. Our birthday is likend Friday. It's Friday, the first time in a few years that's been on a Friday. Yeah, y'all have had the whole week up until now. Happy early birthday. Related birthday too. It was it was. Boring, my my first boring one though. I used to be like, my whole personality was my birthday. But that's me. Yeah, I haven't ever since probably I had the children, because then, like you know, child Karen, all that leame things I can't do. So I still like, yeah, I'm still like sort of like a dictator on my birthday. But it's like a huge improvement from what I used to be, for sure. I actually I used to be a lot worse too. I don't remember one time she was I don't know when I told my friends and I was like, something about my birthday. I don't know what. And they were like and I was like what, Like, I don't remember whatever it was. I was being mean to them and they were like, you can't act like that just because it's your birthday, and I was like, actually I can't. It's one day. And I used to like cry every birthday because I was so disappointed. I was like, yeah, I. Could have done better. Yeah. Yeah. One time it was like I went to work so early, the earliest that I have everyone, and everyone was still asleep and I'm like I shouldn't have expected anything because it was so early, but because there's no logic here, I was like on your birthday, and I was like, nobody said happy birthday to me when I woke up, even the necessarily everyone was asleep. Everyone was asleep, like my husband was asleep. It was my step cent at the time, not the two youngest. But I'm like, you guys better have like a pinata for me when I get home from work, and I was like a too hour shift. I'm like, have a piata, I have a cake, and they did, but I was I was upset the whole day because you guys didn't tell me happy birthday on them, like nobody played to wake me up. Yeah, I'm no contact with my parents and I'm still upset they didn't call me this year. I told like everyone like me, I'm like, and they didn't call me, and they'll be like, did were you expecting? No? But I was gonna ignore it. But they could have caught damn. You know, it's the thought that counts, and the thought was not there exactly the first timmer Mom because she she used to call us once we all moved out. She used to call us and play least Mayanitas, like holding her phone on the speaker. The first time, we just sent a YouTube link instead of doing that. I was like, nah, oh yeah, what happened. Like She's like, I don't have time today. I'm like, no, right right, No? I feel that heavy no, but like I feel it in my soul. When my grandma used to do that when she died. I was like, I expect you to do that now, Mom, I don't. One has to do it. I made it clear about my expectations. Yeah, I hear that. I love Leo's listen. We're the best, like the best to each other and the worst maybe to other people. I don't know. I don't know, and it doesn't matter exactly. I think that's probably and that's fake news. I feel like we're great with people we love, yes, and isn't that's the whole. Point, right. Yeah. My supervisor sent me a TikTok and I was like, you're the nicest mean person I know, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I don't. When I do care about you, it's you could see it. But when I don't, Yeah, that sometimes I forget though, also to like care people I love too. But yeah, it's hot. It's hard because I really think I'm like, I'm not being actively mean, so I'm being great. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I'm like, am I am I selfish? And I'm like, no, that's my biggest struggle. They're gonna like clip this whole thing like Leos. We like, actually, I want to clip it myself. Oh and my sister is a LEO too, So I got to love that. I love you. It's the best. It's the worst and the best because because we're masters. Yeah. Sometimes yeah, sometimes my partner will be like why are you all arguing? And we're like we're just talking, Like, yeah, nobody understands how harsh we can be except each other. Yeah. The worst is when like the three of us, like when our brother does talk to us, and the three of us are in the same place and we're just having a conversation, and then our mom will be like, stop fighting, and we're like. Oh, yeah, we're just talking. Yeah, my whole childhood was stop fighting. I was like what. Yeah. I hung out with my sister in law who's a pisces and my actual sister, and she kept being like, be nice to each other, and me and her were so confused, my sister and her like my sister and yeah, like don't project that's your ship. Yeah you don't understand. Yeah, yeah, what are you all going to do for your birthdays? What's the plan? I'm going to Hawaiian and I went on a reading retreat earlier with my other LEO friend and my other friend. I don't even know what my other friend is. Actually, it doesn't matter. This is yeah. Yeah, that's amazing, that's exciting. Is it your first time? And Hawaii that's gonna be really fun. I heard them don't bring back rocks? Oh yeah no, and I will put my butt on any rock either. Laurenston Yeah yeah, yeah she did that. Yeah mm hmmmm, I'll make sure not to do that. Believe everything as it is, be respectful. Yes, yes, yeah, that's gonna be so fun. What are you doing? Oh, she's not doing anything. Nothing. I bought the Possession of Albadas for myself. That's my birthday present. And then I'm hoping to well, yeah, it doesn't start till seven, so I'm hoping to go see her at the Central Library because they're doing a talk and a book signing. So I feel like that's my gift to myself. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not doing anything. Is it like that? Because I said I'm not doing anything, but I was at the pool every day and. Like, oh indulging. Yeah, well yeah, because I normally try not to eat, like I don't believe like you know, diet culture, but I do most of the time do keto because I feel better personally when I don't eat a bunch of carbs. I don't feel bloated right, and I don't I don't want to feel glittered and tired all the time. So most of the time I am doing keto. But this whole like week and a half or probably since we moved, I'm like I've been trying new food places. So I feel like I have been indulging a little bit. Also, like every literally every weekend that we could, I was out in like the water with the children. So those are like little things. But yeah, I'm not like doing anything huge because like again, we just moved and money. Who has that? Yeah, it's a part she's rich. I feel that heavy. I feel our dog was sick and it was like seven thousand dollars to keep her alive, so much. Just went through that with my low. Well it wasn't that much though, no, no, but it was a lot. Yeah, it's too much. Like I was like, I get it, Like how do people own that? Like this is expensive? I'm going to sound like the so I told my I told my husband. I was like, okay, what is our limit? Like, oh I did too, I didn't. You like there's a limit? Yeah? Same, yeah, And I was like, what do you have to draw the line somewhere? Like what do they tell us that's ten thousand? He's like, I'll spend ten thousand and I'm like. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was exactly the same conversation we had because like we keep our finances separate too, and I was like, who's because then if I'm paying, I need to know. I need to say my limit. And he was like, no, there is no limit. I was like, okay, you got it, great, great, Yeah, yeah it's too much. No, it's expensive though, especially when like random stuff like yeah, pomps up, Yeah yeah. Yeah, she was in the er for three days. Every day was like three thousand dollars. Damn. I would have called it. Yeah, it either would have been my limit or my what is that show? Like my tenth reason or my final reason? Oh thirteen three thirteen three the wrong number. So the thirteen is ominous, but yeah. That would have been yeah, tenth reason. I mean I couldn't afforded, so yeah, no no yeah in this economy, no, no, who. Can Yeah no in what twenty twenty five? No, no, no no. I do feel like we should rerap this up because again I've been checking a bunch of water and. I have to be go, thank you for having me. This is so un thank you so much. This is like a dream come true. It was a dream come true. Like I literally said it before we were recording that I could die, like right now. If y'all are ever in Nashville, you should hit me up, I live here. Should we just go? Yes, you can see in David's room. Yeah, let's do it. Maybe we'll see our first ghost. I'm not conwood. We can summon himans together. Yeah. No, this was Yeah, this was so much fun. I'm so glad that you didn't cancel on us. I thought about it. She said, I saw her stories and she was like, I'm so nervous, and I was like, I didn't see it. And then she was like, I almost canceled on you guys, and I was like. I did, and I was like, no, that would be terrible. I would not leave you alone until you agreed to talk to us. But it is. I'm glad I did it. But it's one of those things where it's like the anxieties up here until it's over. Yeah. Who hasn't been there? Yeah yeah some of us. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, this was so fun. Again. I have to peace, so thank you so much, thank you. But yeah, everyone else, I don't know. I say spooky and watch out for David. Bye bye. As Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen and with the help of Don Shout out Don. If you aren't joining the podcast considerably going to say five star review, we would really appreciate it. If you don't want to the profess on review, just don't leave a review. 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