Duendes and the Amazon

Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is MJA. And this is another episode of his Spooky Tales, the podcast for all Things Spooky. Today we have a lovely guest with us. If you have been with us for a long time, then you probably listen to one of our first Eurona episodes and the lovely V was with us. Say hi to everyone. Hi everyone, thanks for having me. Ladies. I'm excited I missed talking to you guys. I know it's been so long. I think I was a while ago. I was telling m J and I was like, oh my god, I haven't seen V on Twitter. You think she's okay. Yes, I've been here. I've been a recluse. I've been in my case understandable. Yeah, I feel that. Yeah. Today we're gonna talk about Dwen this and the missing children that were amazingly found. But first we do have a listeners story And if you have a story that you want us to read on the podcast, you can email a Spooky Tools at gmail dot com. You can DM it on our socials, you can submit it on Discord. There's a lot of options. You can call the number in the show notes, leave it in a voicemail, any of those work, you know, just just send them in because we love reading them. So this story goes, and they wanted to stay anonymous, so I'm not gonna say their name. My grandparents owned a house near Elparian in Guadalajara in the nineteen seventies and eighties. During this time, my dad and his stabilians were around preteen age. In the backyard, there was a well. How we thought about wells. Wells are evil and they're for murder. It was something like that. Murder, yes, okay, so kids being kids, they tied a rope around my dad and lured him into the well. When he reached the bottom, he saw that it was not just the well, but a long tunnel. He said it was super dark down there, but he could tell that it went on forever. Suddenly he saw a glowing red face with a sinister look rushing towards him. He screamed and was pulled back up. Needless to say, they never did that again. Oh God, no, medago memuro. I would be, I would be no, I wouldn't make it. Another time one of my dad's brothers was sleeping and he was assaulted by something. Oh no, I should put a trigger. Morning here. So if you don't want to hear anything about sexual assault, this is terrible. Skip the next like thirty seconds. Okay, he couldn't see what it was, but he was being attacked, grabbed, and groped on his private parts. He said. He was fighting whatever was there until it finally left him alone. He turned the lights on and no one else was in the room with him. He had a very hard time sleeping in the house after this happened to him. There was always something going on there. Things were always moved around, there was always footsteps when everyone was in bed. Already. It didn't stop here though. Eventually My dad and his siblings moved to the States, to California. My great grandfather owned the apartment complex that my entire family lived in. I lived there until oh, you know what, I'm gonna leave that out because that's going to be part of the next story. Okay, that's that's horrible. Wow, that's like the incubus succubus, Yes, which one does that? So it would be the like incubus, right if it would. Yeah, I've heard both words. Yeah, let me see actually, let me google real quick. Yeah, let's let's look already, look like a dumbass look like, yes, it's a succubus a theme. I'll demon believed to have sexual intercourse with sleeping men. That's terrible. God. Now the listeners say that the wall was like on their property or did they not mention that? Yeah, the well was in there in their house in Guadallahara. Oh my god, that's crazy. I remember like back then, like my my grandma, my dad's mom has a will inside her house. Whoa wow. And I know that was like really common back in the days. Yeah, no, no, no, I just like I literally would have a heart attack on the spot if I saw this crawling towards me, Like yeah, this is this is why I've never seen anything because I would I would die. They're like no, I stand no, Oh my god, that's so wow. Thank you so much for setting that in. I'm glad that Carmen wasn't here when when I was reading the story, because anytime the Gada Laha has mentioned, she cuts me off and like just shadra walla Llahara and I'm like stop, never fails, Like when yeah two was that two or three episodes ago she was on because you couldn't record MJ and the listeners story was also near Wallallahara, so it was Helisco somewhere in Helisco, not even actually not even near, but I said Halisco and she was like shadow Elisco. And I was like, oh my god, are we already have like a review that's like they cut each other off too much? And Carmen like cuts me off every five seconds. The worst. She's gonna be listening to this too. Okay, So yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit about the recent kids that went missing because I found out that it involves Dwen this yes, very and and the Amazon and I don't actually, MJ, I don't think you were on that episode either. When last time I had a it was like a missing four one one slash Duende episode and there was a man his name was Michael Ana and they were not in Colombia. They were in uh I want to say, it was Bolivia. And he was like part of this tour group and every night before they go out into like the jungle. In the tour group, they do like a ritual to Pacha Mama like Mother Earth, and everyone does it, like nobody says no, but for some reason, like Michael didn't want to do it, and he was the only one who didn't do it, and he went missing after that for nine days. And Pacha Mama is like said to have a duende that takes people for her, whoever's disrespecting the jungle things like that. Like right away when he wasn't found, the owner of the tour group was like, oh, he didn't participate in in the ritual, so he was probably taken by the duende. And there they brought in like a curandero or like a spiritual leader to try and help find him. And this man was like doing rituals to try and appease Mother Earth and the wind there to find him. And he was saying that Michael was like in another dimension, yeah, dimension uh huh, somewhere where they then that's why they couldn't find him. And he was found like nine days later a mile away from the campsite or from the tour group. That's crazy because that's so close. Yeah, And when he and when he was found, he said that he was going losing his mind and he didn't he didn't know where he was, and he blamed the wind there, and he later took that back and said that he doesn't believe in any of that, and that like God was the one that helped find him. But it it's suspicious that the first thing he said when he was found was like, oh, the one they had me. Yeah, this reading about the kids just reminding me of that case. And that was like the very short version of the case, because we did a whole episode on it a while back. But yeah, let's let's get into the story of the kids first. So on May one, twenty twenty three, a small airplane, a Cessna two hundred and six, took off from the Ararakwara Airports in Colombia, and there was seven people on this small little plane in total. There was the pilot, Ernando Mucia Morales. There was a Yarupari indigenous leader. His name was Erman Mendoza Ernandez. And then there was Magdalena Mukuti Valencia and her four children. So Leslie Hako Bombardi Mukutui. She's the oldest, the thirteen year old, so lany hab Oh my god, they're the same last name. I'm sorry. I'm not going to try and say it again now. It was hard enough the first time. Apologies. She's the nine year old, and then Tienne Ran Mukuti four years old, and then the one year old twelve months little baby so tiny, Christine Rank. They were on the on the flight and the flight was headed to San Jose. It's such hard name, Oh my god, Guavare two hundred and twenty miles north. And then at seven thirty four am local time, the pilot at Nando Mendoza Nanez, made a distress call and he reported the engine was failing. Shortly after that, they lost contact with the plane, like radio silence. They could not be contacted, and so obviously they were like something terrible happened, and immediately the Columbian Air Force deployed two helicopters to look for them, but it took them a while to find the crash site, even because this is like really dense jungle area. So it was on May fifteenth, twenty three, two weeks after the crash that they found the crash site itself. At the crash site, they found the three adults dead, but they didn't see the kids anywhere. They did see items belonging to the kids. There was a bottle, like a drinking bottle. There was what looked like a shelter, and just little things. So they immediately assumed that the children were alive, and they began the search or rescue attempt. So one hundred and fifty military rescuers were deployed to look for them, and then two hundred indigenous volunteers were all searching for the children. And it always seemed like they were on the trail of the kids, like they just missed them or something, because they would find footsteps, they would find eaten like plants and things like that, but they just couldn't find the kids, like they didn't see them anywhere, but it looked like they should have been there. The children's grandfather who talked to media, and he said he believed that like jungle spirits were either protecting them and had them in another realm and that's why they couldn't be found. But and it was like up to the jungle now. And then their grandmother said she believed the reason that children could not be found it is because when they had them and they were in another spiritual world. I'm gonna I'm gonna read her quote here. I got chills. Yeah, I don't know why. And this is a very common like belief of the area. So she said, who knows rastros and other grandmother her name is Maria Fatima Valencia, and let me just translate that. She said that like twenty days in so because it was forty days in total that they were missing. Wow, I didn't realize. I thought it was like sooner, like like everything happened was on a week or two. I didn't realize, Yeah, forty days and then so in English I would be actually, I don't know what are when does in English again like elves or dwarves or what are all the gnomes? Maybe? Okay, so she said, elves are carrying them through the jungles. That's why you can. You'll only find their traces, like traces of them, and that's scary. They brought in spiritual like indigenous leaders to try and find them too, and like, you know, get the aduendes to let go of the children. So on top of like the people searching for them, there was also people doing I don't know if I don't know if like rituals is the right word, but like trying to get them back from the adwendes and the jungle spirits. Basically, they had a recording of the grandmother in their language, playing like as much as possible, like all day and this recording just basically told them to stay in one location so that they could be found by their rescuers. And this was like in a very very loud speaker from the sky, just again and again and again so the kids could hear it. But their grandmother also said she believed the children were still alive because they were raised in the jungles. These are indigenous children, and they knew what to eat, they knew how to hunt, they knew how to survive. And yeah, forty days after the crash, they were found three miles from the crash site. Wow, they were so close and they searched that area, Like searchers were within that those that like radius, you know, they were searching there. So I was like, why didn't they see them? This is why I'm inclined to like believe the grandma. Yeah, and like like they were close, but not close because they were in another realm. Like that's that's why I'm like, I don't know, they were close, that's that's wild, like three miles away, but they were and they were safe. They were other than obviously being hungry and with insect bites, they they knew what was going on. They were healthy. Other than that, and as soon as they were found, one of them, I think it was the oldest Leslie said they were all hungry, and then the four year old said that they're mother was dead. And it was believed that the mother died right away like an impact, but no, I think like four days. Wow. The kids were with her for four days and so she didn't pass away alone. They were with her, and she told them before she died, because she knew she was going to die. She told them like, go get out of here, like so that they could be found. Yeah, they listened to her. And the entire time, the thirteen year old carried the twelve month old, Oh my god in her arms like and yeah, yeah, it's difficult when they're newborn. Oh my god, they're heaven. Yes. And the oldest two were the thirteen year old and the nine year old. They were basically in charge or they I mean, yeah, they knew what to do when they kept everyone alive, especially the oldest, the thirteen year old, because they didn't have a bottle. Leslie. Leslie, the thirteen year old, she would put like this sugary water that's found in a plant, and I didn't write down the plant names unfortunately. But she would get this sugary liquid and then just like roll it up to put it into the mouth of the twelve year old and like that's what she would drink. Basically, that's what they all would drink. And they ate like fruit and the jungle was like in what's it called when like things started growing, like like uh, yeah, I know what you mean, like carvest season almost yeah, I don't know, but yeah. So it was full of fruit and things that they could eat. So yeah, that's why they survived because they knew what to eat and what not to eat. And the I think it's the grandfather who later spoke to the media and said they it was thanks to thanks to their indigenous knowledge and thanks to the jungle spirits that they were found. That's what the grandfather said. There was a dog named Winston who was on the Yes he was I thought he was found, but he has not been found. I thought too. I saw like people were saying he was found. He was I was like, not playing with emotion. I know he's still missing. They've been making signs that say that's say Falta Wilson or Winston. What's his name? Oh my god, Winston wait, Winston or Wilson. I think it was Winston. Oh thank you, Okay, you just said it and I immediately forgot. Yeah. They've been making signs that say falta Winston, and people have been saying that they think Winston was traded for the kids for for the Dwiny like that when they had them. So now the Dwindy has Winston and that's why they can't find I don't know what's worse. I guess the kids, right, kids? Yeah, I mean kids, dog. I know, but it's still terrible. And the reason they know Winston was with the kids is because there's the kids had lines and they said, like a dog was with us, and they like described the dog and it is Winston. But they believe the reason Winston cannot be found now is because when they traded the lives of the kids for the dog. Yeah, wow, and it makes sense. Yeah, I hope he's found, but like if the one that has him, then I don't know. I don't know if he will be found. Yeah. Sad, But that's terrifying because it's not it's not this is this is certainly not the only story of the when there's taking people. Yeah, but I've got the kids were found like that's and yeah, they're in a hospital. They're still in the hospital now. I think they're just recovering now. But oh, I guess before I I and this part, they were on the flight because they were going to see their dad, and their dad had escaped. They're they're where they're from, like their little village or town, because they was like I think he said, gett a. Yeah, members were threatening him and so the kids and the mom were on their way to him to like go be with him, and that's when the airplane crashed. And indigenous people are blaming like the airline and the country of Colombia for the crash because I guess these are like very activists scammy. Yeah, activists are blaming the airlines and Colombia itself because this industry of like small planes going back and forth from these remote areas are very not strongly regulated. They like take advantage of people over priced things. The planes are not very safe. And I guess I read that this plane itself hadn't been involved in a crash before and they just like changed some parts and kept using it. Wow, So I mean, maybe this could have been prevented. If they had been like I don't know, if it had been a new plane or something I don't know, or at least like fixed up correctly. Yeah. Yeah, but because these types of flights are very unregulated, very scammy, it's very dangerous, especially because they're going back and forth from these remote areas, and so the people that are affected the most by these types of crashes are indigenous people. So yeah, I just wanted to add that on. But poor Winston, I know, Hi, this is editing, Christina. It looks like I for the entire past couple of minutes of this episode, even though MJ and the both corrected me, I still forgot Wilson. Is Wilson the dog, not Winston, And I kept calling him Winston, even though I stopped and asked, like, oh, is it Winston or Wilson, and they said Wilson. I kept saying Winston. My bad, his name is Wilson the Dog. At the time of recording, the Colombia Army, how to say, they were going to keep searching for Wilson. And it looks like as of today this morning, actually the twenty ninth, the day before this comes out, they have called off the search for Wilson the dog. They said that he is unlikely to be found. They did everything they absolutely could that was within their reach. They spared no efforts to find him, but that it's unlikely they will find him. So rest in peace, little Wilson, and we will be posting pictures of the brave, Brave dog. Okay, back to the episode. Welcome to our Little Hunted break. 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If you cannot support us monetarily, then you are not missing out on anything. The best support that you can give us is just listening to our episodes here, so thank you for doing that. But yeah, anything anything to add on before we get to these terrifying when the story that I'm already scared of, because these stories are already scariest ever in the world. Like I've been having chills already, like like even though they're like they weren't like negative, but it was like chills the entire time you're telling them the story because the Bundes kind of scared me kind of a lot. Yeah, they're terrifying, they're awful, they aren't. I'm ready, strength and water. Just yes, whenever you're ready, be you tell us we are emotionally you're mostly ready. I don't know about that. No, you're right. If we're gonna dive in physically. I'm ready. Okay, you're prepared, all right, good? So okay, I was like thinking, of ways, okay, how can I break this to them gently, like without like verifying them. I'm just like, let's just dive in off the band aid. Yeah, I think I'm thinking. It was like I think it was eight years old because it was right before I made my Holy Communion and I noticed like that really, like I think I talked about it a lot on my show, is like mostly that was a lot like the period of time where I experienced a lot of like horrible like hauntings, you know, going on in my home and like experiences was right before my first Holy communion. It was kind of like a almost like a spiritual warfare kind of thing, you know, like those dark things like coming out and appearance to me. But okay, so anyways, one day I was it was like the middle of summer. My mom was like, okay, go do some charge, you know, make yourself useful kind of thing. So I was like, you know, cleaning the house, and I was in the living room and I WoT bust. So something like I think it was either the pledge bottle or something. It fell underneath the couch and I was like, gosh, shit, So I look under. And when I looked under, before I can reach my hand like you know, under the couch to grab it, there was this oh, the ugliest little man I've ever seen. And he was almost small small, and it almost like you know, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie, you know, the Labyrinth, it's like one of my favorite do you remember Huggle? Like he was as like smaller than Huggle, but he had like that same wrinkly face. He had like he's like almost shabby clothes, and he had the most awful grimace I've ever seen, like he was smiling at me so like it was it felt threatening, like I just felt I screamed like rito, like oh my god, it's scared my mom. And she came coming and she's like what And I I was like, mom, there's there's like like there's no yeah, he tho like there's some man underneath the couch. She's like what and she looked on her of course it wasn't there, and I described it for I was like mom, he was so it was little. It was little Mom and me at eight years old, I was just like you know, it was like it was a little person. You know. I was so scared. I was like, I don't want to be in the house. I wanted to lock myself in the room and not even being around the living room. And you know, my mom was like, you know, you're you're reading too much of those book already, because you know, I just was always into, like since I was small, you know, spooky things, and like are you afraid of the dark. So she's like, you're watching all those things, You're bringing that into the house. This is your conscience, you know. Yah know years later, you know, this is the part that's really gonna chill you. But I'll get to that part. But before you know, after I had seen this thing for like a good week, I had these awful, recurring like dreams, these nightmares. It was not just one. When they it was like oh no, and were like, but because it's weird that we're talking about the jungle, because it was like I was stuck in a jungle and I was like staman like in the trees, like they were above in the trees. I was down there. They were kind of like monkeys, you know, like up in the trees and they were surrounding me. Yeah all the time. Yes, yeah, I got killed because I didn't know that that. So I was in this dream stuck for like a good week. Every time i'd fall asleep, I'd wake up screaming. My dad would go and finally my dad was like, you know what, like you stand there in your dream and you tell it to go away, you know whatever it is, like you can control your dream, like, don't get scared. My parents, like I think, even being as a mom right now, I think they would say those things like it was nothing, like you know, just be strong, pray, Like I think they would say those things because I knew that they were scared, because if they didn't believe me, they would have never blessed the house. My mom would get her I wouldn't dee THI she'd started blessing the house, and I was like, if they didn't believe me, they wouldn't have done that. I think to an extent, they wanted to like not scare me, because like I said, that whole week when I was having the current nightmares, By would go in the room and then he'd start like blessing the house and he would even be like, get out of here, you know. So after I took my dad's you know, advice, it stopped. You know, I finally stood up to them in my dreams and they were like a hearing in my dreams with like these awful sharp teeth and red eyes and they were just they were awful. God. So again, like I said, they the dreams stopped after I, you know, did what my dad said. And you know, probably around the same time I started my podcast. I brought this up on my show, about the one that I saw, and I, you know, I had told my mom about it. My parents are awesome, you know, they support me so much. They've listened to my show and ye thinks and you know, my mom had listened to that one, and she's like, oh my god, I've never I've never told you this. But she's like right after, she's like, I don't know if it was that night or maybe another night after you saw that thing. She's like, I had a dream and I dreamt I was in the living grool. Yeah, I know. She's like, I dreamt I was in the living room and right behind the team. It came from behind the God he like peeked out, he like it was peeking out behind. That's the worst, a little like bob oh God. So I straight up got chills. Eye was like what she described it to me. I was like, Mom, that's exactly what that thing looked like when I saw it underneath the couch, the same exact thing my mom. For her to have dreamt that, right, she didn't see it, she didn't see what I saw. But for her to have dreamt that like the night after the night of that scares me, you know, you know, like I told you, Christina, like it means like that's signifies something huge in my family. Like I told you, I'm like, I can't talk about it on there, yea. The more I talk about it, things will happen. Things happened, ye But before I think a couple of nights before I probably was like Wednesday, because I messaged you Thursday, I think, Christina. But I had an awful night and it was I haven't right, I haven't for a long long time. But I dreamt of ad one there And at first it was like very playful. It was like playing tricks on me. Would take something and I was like in this weird room and it was just like kind of appearing to me at hight and then I was like, okay, cool, but it just switched from like playful to like straight up like again just like threatening me. It wanted to like like jump on me. It was awful. It was like coming at me. It was like it kind of reminded me of like dream when like you know, he's trying to like stat like he's trying to just like it just felt it kept coming out. So I woke up, prayed, and yeah, I went back to sleep. And now but I was like, you know, I don't talk about it as much, like I said, because it has like a big connection just like my family. But and it's kind of it's kind of difficult for me to wrap my mind around still that that happened to me, you know what I mean, as so many things that have happened to me. But it makes sense because that was you know, I've grown up being a medium and uh, you know, a clairvoyant all my life, so it was it wasn't like I wasn't like accustomed to seeing things, but like a little creature like that. The way that it looked, the way how like it looked at me, like it was purposely sent there, which I know now it was, but yeah, it's it was just to this day, it just as awful, you know, to think about it. Oh my god, terrified. I don't like that reason. I used to have nightmares too as a kid of was send And then like one time I got fed up with it and in my dream I killed it. Good, that's what you're supposed to and I like I was like smacking because it was trying to like attack me, like it did you. Yeah, then I got like the anger came out instead of the fear. Good, Like, oh you can't learn today, that's good. Here's the hiding your ship final you said fund all right. Later I was like, whack die. It's like remebody seeing my daughter this one time, like, uh, what's it called? She was after a bug and she's like kept on smacking it and screaming as she was like killing it. I was like that was me in the dream because like I'm like terrified, and like every every smack I would also scream in the dream, Like makes no sense. It was just so funny. Yeah, that's so funny. But yeah that was. And when when you first saw it, like in the couch, did it fit like standing up underneath the couch, was it like lame, like do you remember, oh girl, it was. It's like if it was like pretend it was like hiding, like playing hide and seek with me, dude. It was like on hiding on the couch. Gross. So what I don't like it's like when something like peaks its dead like just slightly. Oh my god, doesn't like it makes my stomach drop, Like yeah, to this day, like when I say it, when like I'll I'll do limp gas for my house like regularly I did right before I started talking to you guys. I need it understandable before we before we end the episode, we're gonna be like nothing, we don't want anything here, like you're not You're fine. I made sure of it. Mean, but yeah, it's kind of like it was high like hiding, you know, purposely. And that's why, like I'll even do it like underneath the beds. You know, I'll do it underneath the beds. Pause, and I'll do it underneath the couch. Since then, you know, I've always done it because of what happened. But yeah, it's like I went down to reach the pledge bottle. I guess that fell, you know, rolled underneath the couch that's when I thought, like almost like it made it fall under like so that you would see it. Oh yeah, oh my god, I never thought of that before. Oh like in your hand? What was it? Just like standing there like you know what I mean, you're right, I put it down. I put it down because I went to like I didn't understand where it was. And then y'all was like maybe it fell underneath like so it's almost like it like put it there, like oh, look, come under here and check, like trying to lure you. Oh that's what they like to do though. They move things, you know they do? Yeah, yeah, I mean whenever you can't find things, you're like, oh, that's when this move. Although like now I can't say that. I'm pretty sure it was just me and like my ADHD brain just forgot where I put it. I almost wonder like I don't know, is it really when this or is it ADHD? It's both or some people because it's like listen, I have ADHD. I'm not gonna blame you. You're not gonna scare me with myself. That's crazy. That's terrifying though, because like I don't I don't know how many things I'm like oh where did I leave this? And then I find it like months later, and it's always like my own stuff, everyone else's stuff. I'm like, yes, that is I saw it on the counter on the second shelf in the left side, like for some reason, everyone else's stuff. I'm like, yeah, right there, How could you not see it? And then like right now I don't know where my democrt is again. No, Kyle's like, how you need to stop losing it, and I'm like I can't. I literally there was an iPad that my mom left here and she was like, oh, you can use it, and I cannot find it. God, I'm pretty sure it's somewhere. But that's why I'm like. I told Carmen once and I was like, I think doing this start taking things. She was like, bitchest see you and I was like, yeah, okay, no, you're right because there's nothing else happening, just like my comfort. When I lose stuff, it's like, well it doesn't have legs, it's not gonna get up and walk. I'll find it eventually. Yeah. My mom would always tell me to pray. She would say say, and she say like, once you you ask it. Yeah, Like seriously, that's why my I would do if you would lose something, I'll just say I lost my ID not too long ago, and after, oh, you still haven't done that. It was like two months ago that I forgot what we were talking about, and you were like, I don't have my ID. No, because I'm like, it's gonna turn up somewhere. It will. Yeah, Because I'm so stubborn, I spent I spent like two months not ordering a new also my also my ID, my license. I spent like two months not getting a new one because I was like, no, we're gonna find it. We're gonna find it. And then Kyle and I were going to go, like on a date night and we dropped the kids off and everything, and I was like, oh, let's go to this. There's this brewery called ghost Runners. They have really good sandwiches and siders. And then I was like, oh my god, we can't go because I don't have my license. And I was like, oh my god, you never got a new one, and what's wrong with you? And I was like I thought I was gonna find it. I got a new one. It got here, and then Sammy, my little almost two year old, walks up with my license my old one, and I'm like, what the hell did he find it? I don't know to this day, I don't know where he grabbed it from. I looked everywhere for it. The minute my new one got here, I paid for it, and then he walks up with my old one and I'm like, oh my god. So for me, it's not the one this it's my kids or me, like just yeah, losing shit. I don't misplacing things. There are little dwendous Yeah, they're you know, because they're cute and not scary. Yeah, well sometimes they're scary, but you know what, I know, the plays like, you know, until like I don't know how long ago, where I was like, you know what, that's what it was, because I always thought like, oh my god, something like that appeared to me. I never like put two and two together that I was, you know, the one day and then until I started like, you know, really researching and gaining more knowledge and you know about all this stuff. So yeah, crazy, yeah, because I never called it the one day before. I just said it was just this ugly, wrinkly old man, little person. And I remember remember being small and at the time like at the time when I was having the nightmares. I would see like this little person figure move throughout like my room in the electronics like stuff, and I would like just stay up awake watching it. I just no, I mean never did anything. But I remember like saying like a I was like, oh my god, it's my Barbie Dollar alive. Oh my god, Jesus, No, No, this is why I've never seen anything, because like I said, yeah, one, that's terrifying. One of I think it was our first when the episode we had a listener's story or something, but someone said that they saw it. And it's always like they look old and they're so ugly and like they have these evil, sinister smiles. And they said that they their room was like in the hallway and like across from their parents room and like the siblings room, and so from her room she could see the other two rooms in the hallway and she saw the thing like going from like wall to wall, like from each side, like it would jump from one side o that they jump across. And yeah, yeah, well at least think it. We've been in the walls. They say they live in the wall. That when you said, V that like you saw it coming like from behind the TV. I was like, oh no, right, I didn't know that. My mom has never ever shared that story with me. That's why it was. It brought me like full body shells. I was like, I never told you what it looked like. How the hell could you like have described it? You know what I mean, Like, just it's crazy, so horrible. What what made you realize there was more than one? You know? I think it was actually the same one that appeared to my mom. I think it appeared to her in her dreams. And because, like I said, my parents were like my protectors. You know, I can't even tell you how many priests have been in our house because of me, Like I got an idea from listening to your podcast, because it was but it was never like, you know, like I was possessed or anything. My parents were not like that, like extreme, but they were always like she's special, like she has gifts, like we have to protect her. So I think it was like because as a mother, like our love for her children, like I think that things like to like play on that and like, but my mom was just like okay, like she woke up, she said, she prayed, and she's like I didn't dream of that again. But you know, I was like, yeah, Mom, I think it kind of went to like like taunt her almost, you know what I mean, because she didn't believe in it, or at least she she almost like I don't know how how do I say it? Like she went against it in a way because she was just like you know, you know. So it's just weird though, because like I never told her, And that's why I think till this day, I'm just like it solidifies not that I I've doubted myself, but I think for so long when things happen like as they have to me, like I've had to shut that off for such a long time and I literally had to put it into like a little compartment in my brain and just like leave it there for like many years because I was just like I don't want to deal with it. I want to be normal. So i'd like, what almost my son is going to be nine, I'd say, like about ten years ago, I really started opening up again, and but you know I thought of it. I'm just like, nah, like my mom can solidify that for me, and that that makes me feel like I'm not crazy, you know what I mean. Like I really did have all these experiences, you know what I mean. So yeah, and it's like when you're a kid, you have a wild imagination, so you don't know what's your imagination. Yeah, and what's like, what's the COVID. It always helps that your parents. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. When I was ten, I figured out that the home I grew up and it's my very first episode. I talked about it for my podcast. There's this old man I used to see. I used to call him Bob, I remember, and like my mom is like, you know are we were talking about our house in Colorado, which is just like it was a great house. It's just we had there were two deaths there. The old man that passed away there from a heart attack. He fell down the stairs, which is you know downstairs. It was like a bi level house, so downstairs is where I would see him. So after we moved out, another family moved in and the husband died from a heart attack as well. But my mom just holding you know, yeah, there used to be an old a couple that used to live there before us. And I said, well there was an old man I used to see the house. Oh my god. Yeah, and he was so sweet, he was so nice. He was just like this, like a pure angel. I think I was literally seeing an angel because he was. He was so pure and friendly and he would protect me against the bad things. So yeah, I love that. Good. Yeah, good, because you rarely hear those. Yeah I've seen. Not like there's more I should I should be more positive because there's been a lot more positive than negative. The negative, you know, they're just the stories that was that we all are. I like to read no my when I live, I guess no. Things have always seemed to follow my brother around, like and my mom, Carmen, And I've said this so many times that me and Carmen, we could be happening right in front of us and we would never know it. Like our house when we were in living in Oakland, like I think we were there until we turned six. Maybe that house so many people have stories about the house. There's a room my brother absolutely refused to go and it was supposed to be his room. He would not go in there. That room was always colder. I remember that. But like other than that, I never heard any of like the footsteps people said they heard, like people felt scratches in the shower or like like something touching them but there was nothing obviously no one else in there, and I never felt Me and Carmen were like, really, wow, we had no idea. And then it like every house we went to there were things like that, and so whene of our houses. We were in Modesto, California at the time, and my brother's room was right next two hours and they were the last ones in the hall, and then from the outside you could see our backyard from mine and Carmen's room. His room that was like kind of it was like weirdly shase, so it was next to but sort of also in front, kind of like diagonal actually now that I think about it. So from his room it was the window was there, but it wasn't the backyard yet, it was like the side of the house. Yeah. And there wasn't an N street, it was the N street and so it was like the end of the street. And he always said that he would see something walk outside, like I don't know, something dark at like a dark shadow walking outside, and that, yeah, it's terrible, and then I felt sinister. But he would also say because we have always the way we were raised, like my great grandpa passed away before we could meet him, because you know immigrant families, and so after he passed away, my mom always was like, oh, he's our protector. We're gonna if we were going anywhere, we're like me Bellow keep us safe. That's just what we did. And so my my brother said that there were nights where he if he dreamt about me Bellow or like thought he saw his spirit Mebello, he didn't see that shadow man walking by. So he always said that me Bellow would protect him from whatever this other thing was. But there were nights where maybe I don't know, maybe below was busy somewhere else, hoping someone else and he couldn't go with my brother, And those were the knights where he heard the walking outside and he saw the shadow and like I don't remember if he ever said that he saw it looking inside. I know I was terrified of like even sleep being in his room. Like there was one episode Karmen was on with me and you were not MJ and we were talking about it because there was we got into it. We were always fighting and then like making up because you know, three siblings. And one time my mom was like, you know what, I'm so tired of this because you were fighting I'm making me. She made me sleep in his room and then made him sleep in my bed, and because me and Karmen had two separate twin beds in our room, and he was like, he's going to sleep over there because and I don't know what kind of pleasurement that was, but I was so scared in his room. Oh no, I slept under the blankets the whole time. I barely even slept. I just felt like so much anxiety. And I don't know if I was obviously from all his stories, I think I scared myself more. I didn't see anything, but I just felt so cold and so scared in there. Oh my god. Oh no, you don't think that your brother and your mom maybe like mediums, maybe, you know, because it seems like they're more inclined to be more open. My mom was told when she she would go because there's so many stories my great grandma which they said that she would go to all these boucas to like put curses on me people she was she was, yeah, she was something else, yeah, And and my mom would go with her. She would take my mom with her. And one lady told my mom like, oh, you have a done, you have the gifts, like I can teach you, I can teach you to use this, and my mom was too scared. She was like no, and she's been told by other people that are mediums like you you can, you can become a medium, you can you know, lean into it more, but she's never wanted to because of all the horrible, terrifying experiences. Yeah it's cool, it's cool, you know, that's what That's what I was for so long was scared. But you know, I've been helping people for the past what Sammy's gonna be five now, so like five years doing it. I mean like I took this year break because like doing it for four years straight, I'm just like I've been exhausted. I was like, I have to take I bet, I bet, And it seems like that takes more like energy so much. Yeah, so I very limit. Yeah, I totally limit. I don't do a lot of the olympias that I was doing on like people and houses and you know. But yeah, you know, my nana would always tell me I should always say you have that gift. And I never was like what does that mean until I really was like looking into that. But yeah, that's crazy. I didn't know that about your mom. Yeah, yeah, she and she's had some yeah, such scary stories. There's I have been saying this since we started the podcast. There's one story that I've only heard parts of because I'm I've always been so scared to like listen to the full story, but like just a terrible hunting and like maybe Wednesday, we'll make this into a movie and it's going to be called The Hunting of Maria. Oh my god, I love it though, Yeah, so nobody take that from me. Okay, I'm gonna patent the title, like copyrighting now, grade market, get all that. But yeah, that story is so scary and maybe one day I'll record her, but I'm so scared to record her. And then have you listened to it again and again to translated? I thought of it terrifices me. If you need help, I would do it during the day because at one time that you sent me the what's the name of this deep Spanish? Oh yeah, like at three am? Three, I was like, but what what bad choices did it mean? I kept I kept listening to it again and again. It was like one am, and I was like, what the fuck am I doing? I don't want to hear this. I'm like, you sent it to me and then like the thing the thing for me on on my end would popped up was like, uh like Google, I think Google or Siri I can't remember which one, but one of the two trying to say it in and I was like, no, exit out right now. Yeah, we're not doing this. Yeah, and I was like, no, no, I'm not doing this during the day. I mean during the day, during the night again. Yeah, oh no, they've learned my lessons. Yeah, that is terrifying. I don't like on this and no, no, I'm I'm very grateful. I've never seen one. I hear that like every everybody's house has one, supposedly really yeah, like uh when you're the cast of like everybody has like a house spirit minus like on vacation or something or just extremely the one here is very quiet or like I said, I don't notice it. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's mine is competing with the shadow people I see. Oh no, like who's gonna scare her today. I'm like, listen, I can't no time for either of you. And even if you do something, it's you have a nine percent chance that I'm not going to see it, like like maladaptive dreaming, day dreaming over here, or like I brush it off as something and forget about it two seconds later, M it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work. Yeah, yeah, I don't know because I leave doors open all the time. And when did I open that? Did I close that? I don't know, So yeah, I wouldn't notice any any haunting even if it. I mean, okay, I think I've told I don't. I've told you I'm j and I've said on the podcast. But there was one time, but I think it was just me being still sleep deprived, because like little Sammy was like I don't know, a month old maybe, And I was walking to the room and I could have sworn I heard like a distant my mom, but I didn't even turn. I was like, nope, no, if we are not doing I will not acknowledge that. I'm just gonna go and see that I did. And then I've never never heard anything else. But I know every time my mom starts saying something, I just cut her off and I'm like I don't want to hear this, and then I'm like close my my, put my hands over my ears and then I'm blah blah blah, and I just like walk away, like no, I will, I'm not hearing this. But she's like she's like, hey, I thought I heard like a little laugh in my stepson's room. And I was like, nope. I used to yeah, I people like me and my cousin, like when we were moving to the place that I currently am now, which happened back in twenty thirteen, when we weren't actually living here yet. We were still technically living at the other place, but like we're kind of moving within the week, and we're, you know, we just got the U haul and we're taking stuff from the U haul up to the apartment because I live on the second floor. And then me and my cousin both heard like a little girl laugh and we were like we're like, oh no. And then like she always happens to me and my cousin. I called my cousin. He's my husband's cousin, but it was my parent. And then my husband wasn't even like with us. He was like down in the U haul and we were in what's supposed to be my son's room. I was like nope. I was like, fuck this shit, we're done for today, late at night, and I was like this little kid giggling. And then it was like also coincided with my son's birthday because that my son's birthday party was that week. So he had like this gift bag that you had to press the buttons and stuff for and but you had to press it's like you have to click it, you know what I'm talking about, Like it you have to press it pretty hard, and for the gifts back to like even thing like happy Birthday or whatever. And it started playing by itself and it did it only once, but it was so freaky because it wasn't something that was easy to press, like you had to put a little bit of force into into the little i don't know, the on button to click or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, and we were just like staring at each other's like we just heard the little kid's voice. Now this year, I was like, let's go. It's late at night, we're leaving, We're done. Yeah yeah, oh no yeah, And then like like now once in a while, we have like something you hear, like something like rummaging through the toys. M but oh no, nope, nope, I'm like you. You just don't make a mess. Okay, yeah, I just cleaned up. No clean up while you're here. Yeah, in this house we pick up our toys. I don't like it. I don't like to when this. Well, before we go, do you have anything else to add about this? At the end, we always do spooky recommendations, so we'll do that unless you have anything else to add on the good Okay, terrify. You're here for your terrifying stories and they were terrifying. You delivered as always. Okay, Well, do either of you have any spooky recommendations? M I don't know. I don't think so, not against any show. Movie. I am going to start what's it called today, the new series of Interview with the Vampire holds Up to the holds up to the movie. So I've never seen the movie either. Love it's amazing. I hear it's the Vampire Classes it is. It's amazing, you know what I do. I'll have to say to you. I forgot the name of it, but I was on TikTok. There's this new movie coming out June seventeenth, and it's about like I saw this scene where the guy is like literally in the woods, and he here's a skinwalker. Oh like naked. There's like this guy naked in a field and he's like hell, hell, like over and over like, oh, this looks good. I'll have to send it to you guys right now, I'll send it to Yes, it looks so speaking of that, For whatever reason, my TikTok lately has been like people of like both like in Latin America and you know, so Spanish speakers and which I you know, coincidentally sent you that that that YouTube link the other day. Was it yesterday when you were like remember the podcast? Yes, so they were talking about it too. But it's been like a whole thing on my TikTok and on like several of my social media's of people telling others do not whistle in the wood? No? And yeah, And I'm like, why is like the universal me not to whistle? Like I could hardly whistle. Why would I be whistling in the woods. I don't even go anywhere. But it's like the universe is like here, just in case you decided to do some random camping this summer. Don't the woods? No, no, never, never, you know they say that whistling brings on I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's I'm like, whenever I hear the ALB, I'm gonna tell my son, hey, stop whistling, no, because he likes to whistle. Yeah no, no, no, mmmmm. I don't even know how that's on the South. Yeah, okay, well my recommendation. It's not spooky. It's more like funny slash sci fi. But I don't know if you either of you listen to audio drama podcasts. I sometimes do, sometimes don't. But there's one I just found. It's called Midnight Burger, and uh, it's like this this restaurant that time travels throughout space and time. It's like a Doctor Who version of our restaurant almost it's it's and then it's like only five. Yeah. So there's the main person. Her name is Gloria. She like stumbles into this restaurant because there she saw a job application. She gets there and like the guy working there, Casper, has no idea and like where you see this ad? And she's like, what's happening? This is the worst job interview ever. And then the whole restaurant like moves to another place and she's like, what the hell just happened? And it just it's just like Wacky Adventures in Space in this little restaurant. It's a fun. Yeah, it's a fun podcast and they do like I think it's like one episode a month. It's been going for maybe two years now, and they have like forty centing episodes. I think I'm like on eleven or twelve right now. But yeah, they're it's very fun to recommend it. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun. But yeah, before we go, you don't have new episodes currently, but the old episode is one hundred percent worth listening to if you want to tell everyone the name of your podcast and where to find it obviously wherever you find podcasts, but yeah, everywhere you can find podcasts. Yeah, my show is Life Care Normal with v I have been taking a little break. It's been you know, nuts over here. But you guys, can you know, stream my old episodes and you know, hopefully I'll get back into it. That's the goal. That's my goal. I already have some really good, you know stories lined up and people that want to come on, so yeah, just check it out. Life Care Normal with the I've said this before, but it's like you you hear terrifying stories, but also v is like so empathetic and carrying that. By the end of it, you're like, I feel better even though I was scared. Like yeah, right, that's the whole point of the show is like, you know, for people have had these experiences and you you know, you're told that you're crazy or you know, society makes you feel that way. You know, there's it's like a safe space, you know, where we can talk about those things. Yeah, it really is. It really is. If anyone doesn't know where to start. I never started the beginning of like episodes, I jump around, but the one you have your cousin on and you guys are talking about I don't know if it was his house. Some your cousin's on and you guys are talking about a haunted house that I remember, and I'm like, wow, that was a really good episode, So start on that episode if you don't know where to start. I think it was with my episode two. I think there was. It mustn't be. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, we were talking about my das house, her haunted house. That's what I was. I was like, I remember, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, that's an excellent episode to start on. But yeah, I listen to all of it. It's going to be linked in the show notes. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy ass. I love it. I love talking to you guys. I missed you. Thank you. Yeah. Has it had been too long? Yeah? Yeah, too too long? Too long? Yeah? And then I don't know, don't yeah, don't whistle? And and the what did we say for us or jungle? But whistle? Or do anything for nature? How about that? Don't go in nature? How about that? And noted avoid nature at all costs. Yes, still glamping if you have to. 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