From The Vault: Weapons (2025) with Ayden/Susto Podcast

Hi, This is Christina and Carmen and this is a Spooky Tells, a podcast for all things at Spooky True Crime Hunts, Polis Smiths Legends in Latin America. And today is not a normal episode because well, I don't know. Oh, I think we're a little behind because we did recently have a vacation together. Yes we did, and it wasn't a vacation vacation like we did things, but we also had like events that way right right right, Yeah, The point being it took time away from time to research, time to write notes, time to record, and so we are behind. Yes, So we have a little gift for you today. I a while back recorded an episode with Aiden from Susto that was for Patreon only originally, and we yapped about the movie Weapons and it was a lot of fun. I almost was like, let's start a movie podcast. And you know what, I think I said it in the episode. You'll hear me say that, but RDC, I didn't. I didn't because I don't need to start another part. I don't have time for another pod. I don't know, I don't. But what we do occasionally do over on Patreon is yap about movies recap them, rehash, discuss it's so fun. And we just did one for Patreon. We watched the Mexican horror movie Kilt. You know, it was a time, very fun time was had. Yes, and we have plans for other movies. We're gonna do an episode about Frankenstein with MJ. I'm gonna watch that time recording. I'm gonna watch it tonight. Sorry, and before we start this actual episode that you'll be hearing. Have you heard that you have to watch Frankenstein with your Mexican eyes? You have to mexicanly watch it to fully enjoy it. I was there because I honestly think I watch everything Mexican le. I do everything mexicanly sometimes Salve Doorian Lee, yes, yeah, next to Salvey Dorian Lye exactly. And I was feeling the vibes. Okay, the Catholicism. I spotted it immediately. I am so excited. That reminds me another I think, I don't know when, but I want to do a series of episodes on all the not all the Saints, but like the spooky of Saints, or like Catholic legends in Mexico, because there's so many of them. Yeah, and that's honestly about we all love horror so much because that is the original spookiness, sirvitualness, that gothic look. It is embedded in Catholicism. Yes, yes, so that's gonna come up for the actual podcast. And then yeah, over on Patren, we're gonna be talking about movies a ton. So enjoy this episode as like a little bonus thing. And if you like what you hear, there's more of that over on Patreon. Patreon members, I have to make and send stickers, and there's a couple of people that I have to send keychains to because they just joined the highest tier. You're welcome, yes, welcome, welcome, And I will do that this week, I promise, well the next week because this is gonna come on Friday. I'm not doing it on the weekend, right right right, right, right right right right. So yeah, other than that, enjoy and you'll catch a normal episode next week. Bye bye, Hi. This is Christina and Aiden and this is a Patroon episode. Your other half, yeah, she's gone. And also she hasn't seen the movie, so I was like, I know who saw it? Again, I'm like, listen if I'm not at work, home or working at Swistol, I'm at the movies. Probably I love this. I love this same now that my husband and I are in the same place then and like a twenty minute bus ride from the really nice movie theater, and so I'll just be like, all right, I'll be back and then I come back. And that's when how I saw weapons. He dropped me off and then I rode the bus back because we don't have childcare. But I'm like, this is nice. Like I love enjoying a movie BYuT myself, just sitting there with my popcorn. Yeah. I think the last time I went to a movie by myself was it was A Terror Tuesday here at Almo draft House. And we live really close to the theater that we go to, but we do have to drive there. Like I could walk it, but it would be really intense because it's really super hilly. Yeah. Oh, it's like this really steep hill that I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. But the last time I went alone, Jeff was out of town for work and it was A Terror Tuesday and I had seen it before, but it had been years, and so I was like, yeah, I'll just god. I had the ticket already. I went by myself. I was so scared to sleep that night. It was Lake Mango. Oh I really, I have been meaning to watch it. I've heard so much about it and I just haven't seen it. Okay, it's very creepy. It's kind of like mockumentary slash found footage. I love a mockumentary. Me too, me too, And so yeah, I went alone. And you know, we've been going for like a long time now, so I was like, yeah, I'll be fine. Like the movies are never really that. It's hard to scare me with the movie. And so yeah, I saw that one and I forgot how creepy it was. So I got home and I was like, oh my god, I have to make it through the night by myself. No, no, yeah, no. Another. My husband is so annoying about horror movies. He's so logical, too logical. He brew in The Walking Dead for me for years and then I'll whatever, I'm gonna. Keep watching it. But yeah, he's just too logical, and so I hate going to horror movies with him. So I'd really rather go by myself. But that's all like, that's all movies are, is like any movie plot, it's gonna go against logic. That's how you can. Oh. Yeah, you always hear his ass during Lord of the Rings, and I'm like, bitch, you're not gonna say anything about. Lord of the Rings. Really no, literally, just don't put the ring on. It's that simple and it won't mess with you. Easy, done, done. Yeah. So yeah, weapons, that's what we're here to yap about. The's s knopsis and okay, let me just read this, and then I have to say, like, okay, okay. When when all but one child from the same class miss seriously vanished on the same night at exactly the same time, a community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance, and I feel like that tells you nothing but everything at the same. Time, which I loved that about this, Like the rollout for this movie, I feel like a lot of the advertising and the trailers for it, it didn't give too much away, if anything, because what I thought I was going to walk into and what I ended up watching were very different. And I loved that because it's so common now that the trailer is you watch it and you're like, well, like. It gives everything away? Yes, yeah, And. I feel like I don't know, maybe like maybe it's like a trend in like with marketing agencies or PR or whatever that they're like, we need to let people know what they're going to experience that they can buy into it. But I don't know. I like the mystery. I like walking in not knowing what's going to happen. Like that's why I also I don't really read movie reviews before watching a movie because I don't I don't want any expectation put on it. I just want to go in like unaware of what's going to happen. And so I liked that. I don't know if it was intentional, but to me, that's how I interpreted the promotion for this movie. I feel like it was intentional because once we start like seeing or once I started reading interviews because I think you might be the same as me. But after I watch something, I have to like read everything I can about it, director interviews, actor interviews, people talking about it. So I read it interviews, and I feel like the director lives in vagueness, like he loves the vagueness because especially with answers that he'll give, which I did write down. So yeah, I think it was intentional, but the trailer, like all we saw from the trailer was like footage that appeared to be reen camera footage with kids like running anime style. Yeah run, yeah, oh my god, and that's it, Like that's all I Like. I went in knowing nothing except really the name of the movie, and I was like, kids are gonna run anime style. That's all I knew. And I I it blew my. I mean, I had no expectations. So I loved it. I loved it. Yeah, it seemed even like I think it's very obviously like, oh this is this is a paranormal like supernatural kind of thing, but I also felt like it could have very well like based on just that trailer, along with the kids sneaking out, I was thinking this could also very easily veer into like true crime or like psychological thriller, you know, yes, And so that's I liked that it kind of walked that edge during their during the trailer. You know what was surprising to me, I saw people a lot of people say that they thought it was going to be about aliens, and I was like, oh, I never thought that, but I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think that either, but I mean I guess yeah, yeah, like just again, like how vague it was I could have I think it could have gone in many different directions. Yeah, and then I did write down a little trivia here as of a few days ago. Sorry, I can't read big numbers, so type out, but let me send it to you in the chat. Put in the chat. I want to I want to take a whalk at it. I want to see. Okay, here we can try and say at the same time, I'm just kidding. Where's the little chat? I never all here, we go at the bottomy. Wait, not that this one. Okay, this is gonna be fine. I hope I can read it. I can't. Okay, Oh one hundred nineteen million, four hundred four thousand, four hundred ninety eight girl mathematician. But do not ask me to leave a tip, because all I do is I signed the receipt and I give it to Jeff and I say, here, figure it out. Okay. I'm the worst because if it doesn't say like ten percent, twenty percent, then I'm guessing. And I always guess five. Dollars literally say, I'm like, eh, five dollars sounds all right, I guess I have. I have no shame. I will pull out my phone and go to a percentage calculator dot com, dot net, whatever it is, and I'll go, what is twenty percent of this? And it tells me, you know what, Actually, my other calculator, Jeff, is there, and so I literally I'll just sign it and hand it to him. Yes, my husband is also my calculator. So because yeah, I don't know, I have. Me and Carman have figured out that we think we have the dysplexia of math, where you flip numbers. You can't read a map. I'll flip it. I will flip the map. I sailed land navigation so many times I got lost. I don't even know what that is. So it wasn't the army. We had to navigate with the fucking map and a compass. I have no sense of direction. I would I would have felt that too. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I can't read numbers. So that number that Aiden just said, one hundred and nineteen million, four hundred four thousand, Oh my god, four. Hundred and eighty eight y math? Wow, I would pass algebra when oh my god, dumb. Okay, that's what it made. Nationally, I wrote this down. Wrong. Yes, that's what it has made in the US since it opened as of like a few days ago, I want to say, a couple days ago. These numbers are from August twenty six and then eighty eight million. Then this has to be there's six zeros. That's million always I think. Yeah, yes, okay, eighty eight million internationally and it's probably going to be in the top five again this weekend. Wow do you do you do you have what the budget was? Oh my god, I was going to write that down. It has surpassed by far surpassed its budget because we like historically horror movies have a low budget anyway, Yeah, yeah, but. I know thirty eight million on here. Okay, yeah, it has surpassed that. Yeah, that is Oh my god. Wow, that's amazing. Yes, and especially I mean it released August eighth, and it's just doing numbers, and it's it's going to keep doing numbers. Like what is even coming out this weekend? I don't know, but since it's come out, it's been in the top five. Wow. I literally So I went to get my hair cut yesterday and my my hairstylist, who is also my friend, is also a really big horror movie Lover High. Christopher, we were talking about like move, We're always like have you seen this? Have you seen this? Have you seen this? If we don't go to the movies together, we'll like talk about it, right, And so he brought up Weapons and I told him, I said, you need to go. I truly I think it is the horror movie of the year. I think so me. It's right up there with Substance. With the Substance, I think those two are like those are my top two this year, one hundred percent. Yes, I still need to see Substance. I haven't seen it. You know what my problem is If I don't watch it in the movie theater, watching it at home after it is very hard for me because I keep binging the same shows again and again. When I have some time and I'm finally like I'm finally again. I think I've I told Carmen this a while ago, but like I finally feel like a person again, Like I'm like out of the trenches of motherhood. Both my children are like older now and I can like I feel like I can do things. Yeah. Plus again, my spots and I were in the same place now because he for like the past six months. He was in Seattle and I was in Vancouver. But we're finding the same place. So now I can finally go and yeah, go watch a movie about myself. But what if you do that for the longest time and then at home, I'm just like dead at the end of the night, and I'm just gonna put on like fucking the office or Parks and rec or Brooklyn nine nine. Yeah, something that doesn't need a lot of attention, or like, yeah, okay, well now that you have your your spouse in the same place with you and your kids are a little bit older, put the substance on the list. I am. I am. You know what? Make it? Make it content that always gets me to do stuff. You know what? This is content. I'll do it. You're gonna have to come back to talk about it with me. I gladly will do that. You know what, I wish I had so much time for a movie rewatch recap like podcasts like I love it and I'm like, man, I wish I. Had like like I love them, oh my god, and the way that they do that, like I like, I love listening to their show. For some reason, you all do not know what a already. We've both been on it, so yeah, yeah, and they've been on both of our shows too, Like I love them. Yes, there's the best, They're the best. Really. Anyway, I was talking about the numbers. It's doing numbers. Ratings okay, almost unprecedented for a horror movie. Historically, they have terrible ratings, even though for horror movie fans they might be good. For everyone else, it's like sixty percent but ninety four percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Wow, that's that's that's insane for horror. Awesome. That's so awesome, and it makes sense. There's there's so many horror movies, but like, yeah, you're right, it's like historically they are like underappreciated for whatever reason. I think people like put their noses up at horror movies. Yeah, and again not to be the substance core and to keep bringing it up. But I feel like that was a really big turning point for horror movies. Is like I feel like people were kind of changing their minds about it, and so that's kind of like allowed weapons to I don't think it needed the substance for that, but I think it's kind of like allowed it to be more appreciated. I agree, like, whoa, this is like they're like getting it. Now. When did the somethings come out? I don't know, I said this year by I think it was twenty twenty four. I feel yeah it was twenty twenty four. Okay, okay, there you go. The weapons gets twenty Weapons gets twenty twenty five, gets twenty four. I feel like substance though, and then followed like by Sinners and then weapons. Like God, yes, Sinner as well. Yeah, it has been like it has been such a good time for horror movie and that they've been all these all three of these have had like top of the run on the like the month they're run on movie theaters has been like selling out movie theaters consistently, like they have done I don't know, wonders for the genre and for like not independent because obviously these are big names behind them, but like what don't we try to say that's not part of a franchise, like a single creative movie, that's not part of oh, part of an ip That's what I was thinking, Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't have like a universe, you know, like the Conjuring, right, it has all these other films to like stand up with Yeah, no, I take it back what I said earlier, Weapons and Sinners movies of this year since twenty four? Yeah, how could I forget Sinners? That one so so good? Okay, Okay, we'll focus on this movie for now. Yes, yes, I already yeah, like for two or three hours about Sinners with Carmen. It was. It was great. Okay. So speaking of let's see, they're oh seven point eight out of ten on IMDb, which for IMDb that might as well be a ten out of ten because like IMDb's the probably one of the harshest when it comes to like rings. Really again, I'm so like removed from looking at the ratings. I'm hearing these numbers and I'm like, wow, I'm. Looking at ratings for no because it doesn't like it doesn't change how I feel about something. But I just love seeing like the number for some reason. I don't know, even books, and I'm like, I like the book. Then I look at it and it was like a two out of five, and I'm. Like, what, excuse me? Do I have a bad taste? No? No, I don't think so I love it. So yeah, that was Those are like both amazing readings. Also, I read this later. There was a bidding war for. The movie. You would get it? Yes, and who a bunch of like big names. But Jordan Peele was in that group and he lost the bidding war and apparently he fired someone from his team first for having it. Apparently like he I mean, he knew right. He has also been making amazing thumbs. I'm so excited for him. What's his studio is not? Is it? Monkey Pom? Is that? I don't know? Let me see. It has a name, and I feel like monkeys in it, but maybe not. The first thing that comes out is Jordan Peel weapons. That's so funny. Oh that wow, it's like a new Oh it is yeah, monkey Pop Productions. Yeah wow? How do im in twenty twelve? Your brain? I can't read numbers, but I can't remember these nonsense theme. Yeah? Wow, yeah I did. I heard about that that he lost the bidding war for it and he was so like disappointed that he fired I heard like a whole group of people. You're probably just one person. I don't know one of the two for sure. We're making no, no occurred. He killed someone. Somebody killed somebody, you guys, Yeah, no, Yeah, there was a fire ring for sure. For sure. I mean after watching the movie, I get it. I would have done it too. I would have done it to and then after it came out, I would have fired another person like you see, I was right in the movie theater. As soon as the credits roll, You're fucking fired. Guess what vacation forever for you? Yes? Yes, exactly. And this is director Zach Craiger's second movie following Barbarian. Did you watch Barbarian? I did. I loved Barbarian and I loved it. I loved all the memes that came out of it. Yes. My favorite was when they were is it what's the show with what's her? Uh? Natalie Nunn? The show that she has it? Baddies made? Yeah, someone made a clip where they were like the Mama talking and Barbarians and she was like boo boo boo boop because they were talking about fighting. Okay, I'm gonna send it to you. You have to like edit it in here. Why was I drinking water? Drink boo? That was mama hands down? Oh wow, yes, that's why. Which Also that movie also like took me for a loop. I didn't like I was not expecting anything that happened, and so he's so good at that at like, yes, pulling the rug out from under you in a really good way. Yeah, because man, that was unexpected, like what I thought was going to happen. No, not at all. No, it was like, hey, it's worse, yes, and it got worse and worse. Yes, from worse and worser. Yeah. One scene that straight up traumatized me in that movie, the Justin Long breastfeeding. Monster Jesus moment of silence. It really was truly, Like I remember watching it. We watched it at home, and it was like like this, Like I was truly you know, it's it's hard to make podcasters speechless, right, but yeah, ye, but yeah, truly I was like, uh, like gagging literally, oh my god. Yeah, Justin Long just went through it in that movie. Oh. Side note, this is another comedian turn horror movie director who puts in elements of comedy. Yes, it was so good. I think the funniest part for me, like I was starting to laugh out loud, was when what's his name? Is it his name? The actor's name is Austin. He plays the character the addict. I hate to say that oh, yes, this is terrible. But I know him as Ron from The Walking Dead, and so I kept calling him wrong. Okay, but I know who. You're talking about. Again, I'm obsessed with The Walking Dead, like everyone knows this. Yeah, but yeah he was wrong. When I saw him, I was like, okay, Ron, I didn't know you could do this, but I'm here for it. But yeah, when he kept is it he kept getting punched then getting back up and like punching. Yes, he kept throwing him. Yeah, you would throw him and like it was like like it was like that timing, And that's how you really know it was a comedian doing this, because that like that comedic timing is it's a real thing and it is not something something that everybody understands. And so either I don't know if it was the actor who also has this really great comedic timing the way that they choreographed it, or like the I don't know. I'm sure it was a team effort, but that timing was so funny because it just like it kept happening and then it was like, Okay, this is ridiculous, Like there's no way he's going to do it again. And he did it again and it was so good. It never got old. It was perfect. It didn't feel forced like some other like you can tell when it's being forced. This was so natural even though it just kept happening. It was so funny that and there was another Oh the very end with Gladys running. You think she's gonna stop at some point, and. She keeps running, and that's that's a lot of like my favorite comedy is like you you're taking it to a point where it's uncomfortable, and then you pushed past that and you keep going and then it's funny all over again. Oh my god, it's so so funny, I think even in the parts that were also scary or like creepy. So the kids running like that, that's kind of silly because it does bring that image to mine, but it worked. It was still creepy. The other part that really creeps me out, but seeing people do it online is hilarious is when the Alex's mom walks out of the house when the teacher I forgot her name, when she's waiting in the car outside and his mom is walking she's like, yes, It's like, it's so funny to see people do it online. But out of the context of the movie is funny. Put it in the movie horror fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the physicality itself, but. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, so yeah. I don't know what it is. I feel like, yeah, comedians turning into horror movie directors. It's never going to be a miss because we have Jordan Peel who's in the same situation and his movie's the same thing where it's like a little comedy inserted into something horrible, and it is funny. It doesn't miss. So more of this, please. I think what it is also is people will say that comedian comedians are like they're bit like they're fucked up people, like they're messed up, they've been through stuff, and so that's kind of like they get the humor of life and they're able to make things funny because they've been through things. And then on the other side, people will also say that horror is a good vehicle for a lot of different things, but especially like really tragic things, so like grief, loss, And so I think that combination of like a comedian, who typically is a person who like gets life in a really dark sense, a twisted sense, mixing that with horror, which also like brings those dark things forward. Yeah, it's like a really good combination. Yes, a formula for success sure, truly and for me to be seated yes, yes. And the director he has said in interviews that he basically wrote the movie and when sitting, which is crazy, and then there's not a lot of changes from his original script to what made it in the movie. Wow. God, imagine just being like. That good, right, I can't I wish, I can only wish. Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited. That makes me really excited to see what he's going to come up with next, because Barbarian and weapons they are completely different things, like seemingly not even in the same universe. They might be. They might find a way to connect them later, who knows, but you wouldn't be able to tell. So yeah, I'm like, I'm like, what is what is he going to do next? Like, I'm excited for that next thing. I'm very curious about his next project because it is Resident Evil and that is part of an idea that's not its own like story. But I mean I feel like if he has signed onto it, it has to be good. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be. I think it could be really good because if he's able to do these two things like on his own, of his own imagination, and then now he's given like you said, this ip and this whole like world, like all of this lore, Like it's like they're really good building blocks, Like what is he going to make with them? That's true. I totally forgot about that. I'm also the hopeful fingers crossed for a Gladys prequel. Oh yeah, I would love that. I would love to see more from her and about her and her she was a queen, yeah, truly truly, Like so she was a little evil, Like. I don't even necessarily want an answer to who she is. I don't care about that. I just want her to be doing something. Yes, yeah, yeah, I was saying also when I was talking to my friend that I feel like I keep like comparing to other things, but uh, it kind of gave me that sense of mystery. But like just enough that And I'm only bringing it up because I literally was talking about it yesterday. So when you texted me, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm ready. Was that? H Did you see Bring Her Back? Oh my god, No, that's been on my list to watch and it's finally streaming somewhere. I forgot where I saw it, and I was like, oh, I got to watch it. I think you should watch. For sure. I enjoyed it. I'm going to preface it with I enjoyed it. But what Sammy, I love you go over there, just not to say that you're like annoying. No, it's it's Sammy. And he does this to me every time. Oh my god, He's like, put me on the pod girl. Oh Matteo. My almost seven year old is like all the time, like I want a podcast, and I'm like, well, you write your script and I'll edit it for you. But I'm not ready, right, That's so cute, was it saying oh, yeah, bring her back? So Like, I did enjoy it, but I feel like there were too many for me. There were too many unanswered things that I felt like with weapons like it did a very good job of leaving mysteries, especially in terms of Gladys and her story, but still giving us enough so that we do want more, that we want those answers, and it's not just like, well like what was this even about? Really? Ye, it explained I think enough about. Her, yes, like there was no plot hole, but we yet have questions like who wishy And that's I think that the like true, like art here where he Yeah, he left us questioning, wanting more, but there was nothing necessary to the movie that was unanswered, which happens in a lot of other movies. Yeah, sorry, I think I swear I just heard Margaret. I heard something, Yes. She might, Okay, I hope right. Oh another thing. He also wrote it first again like I said in one sitting, but in full grief, because I don't know if you know, but he was part of a group of three called the Whitest Kids, you know, and I freage it's a terrible but I don't remember which of the three passed away suddenly. And it was from that like that happening, he just sat down and wrote the movie what. Yes, I had no idea that one of them had passed away. Yes, you know what, let me check because I don't want to be wrong on who it was. Let's see the one Trevor Moore. Yes, there we go. Yeah, you passed away in twenty twenty one. Mm hmm. And that's he. After that happened, he sat down and wrote. The movie, Wow, I had no idea. Yeah, yeah, And they were like how you. Find out right? Like real life besties. Right. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I can only imagine, Oh my god. Yeah, what did I say again that grief yet touched it to horror and with the comedian. Wow, yes, and like and so many different instances in your like book, like when you talked about Monstlio or in other things, and I don't remember what other things we talked about, but like grief and horror. It's they're like Hannah and Hanna. Yeah, it really is the best like vehicle to express so much some of the darkest things that other other I don't know things can't like touch in the same way. So, yeah, it makes so much sense to me that he wrote down and wrote all of this after that happened. And in the movie, the movie is like about grief. Yeah, so I'm like, wow, that makes sense. We can see that message in the movie, especially in Archer played by Josh Brolin Brolin Berlin Archer. No, No, the dad oh yes, yeah, the dad of the one who first is like attacking Justine but then teams up with her and then they go to the house him who was supposed to be Pedro Pascal. Yeah in the original casting. Yeah, well they they recasted everybody except for the guy from The Walking Dad. Yes, yes, and she's also going to be in Resident Evil allegedly. Oh my god, I'm so I'm so excited. I'm even more excited for this. He maybe he'll be redeemed in a zombie universe because his ending. And The Walking Dead was, can I tell you something? You haven't seen it? I know I've never seen The Walking Dead. Yeah, every time, like. The first episode or not for the first season, or like half of the first season, and I just I don't know, I like it. It never stuck for me. Yeah, every time someone interrupts me when I'm when I'm talking about The Walking Dead and like, can I tell you something? I expect nothing else. That's why I was like, you haven't seen it? The call ins No, no, no. The first three four seasons five really amazing, especially the first season after that, and then I just kind of and then back up a little bit, and then the last season with what they had it was not bad. But yeah, nothing touches those first three seasons. Okay, maybe I'll I'll watch the first three seasons and then I'll call it. Yeah, but Ron in The Walking Dead, Yeah, if you see it, You'll see his h his feet. Yeah. Okay, and let's talk about the characters in the movie. I'm just gonna go through who was what? So. The movie stars Josh Berlin as Archer Graph, a construction contractor and the father of Matthew, one of the missing children. Then we have Julia Garner as Justine Gandhi, the teacher. And I hadn't seen her in much before this. Yeah. I know she was in Ozarks or oh Ozark, which I've never seen. Same, but it's on my list to watch because I know it's supposed to be really good. I've heard yeah, and I feel like but like and she's the silver Surfer in the New Fantastic Four movie. Oh, I didn't realize that was right. Wow, the range on this woman, like she from that her very famous line that's everywhere. If you want to stop me, here are you? I have to fucking gm which is that's how I feel every morning when I wake up. That's my mantra to get going. And then that, Yeah, but to go from that to the I herald your beginning or his beginning, whatever it is, I'm like, man, good for her, and to this like she was sorry. I feel like we glazed over mister Brolin, who was amazing. He was, he was, he. Was, he was really good again, like you said, you mentioned yeah section of grief and how he like on the construction site. Apparently I can't remember if this was his call as like as an actor or who made the decision, but originally I heard that. So when he's at the construction sites and like things keep messing up, like things are wrong the color of the paint and things weren't installed that it was supposed to be that other people were messing up and he was like like snapping at them and exploding, but that they changed it to he was the one that was fucking up. Basically, that is a really really good, I think choice. I think it's the more accurate choice because and a lot of depictions and a lot of people that I've seen go through grief, that's kind of what happens is it's almost like you're you have no other choice but to just kind of like keep going through the motions. Some people feel like and when they do that, like of course you're going so preoccupied. Yeah, yeah, that's that kind of grief. It changes your brain and so yeah, you're gonna mess up, like you're gonna overlook things and it's at no fault to that person. So I thought that was a really great choice for them to change that from that like outward explosion and like hurting other people to like, no, I am so hurt because of my loss. Wow, these things are like slipping and I'm the boss right, Yes, yeah, he again everyone had knockout performances. But yeah, I wanted to bring that part up because. I think that's fascinating. I didn't know that. And you know what, another thing on that is that how many times in media have we seen the angry Man, which is it is a response that happens, that's why it exists. But to have instead what happened in the movie mm hmm, that's insane. Wow, I didn't know that. Good to know, and we know that Bear Bascott would have been amazing in this world too, But honestly, he Josh Brolin was I think the right the right choice in the end. I think so too. I think so too. Yeah he was. And then where where we just Slipgarner Justine Candy, Yeah, I'm fascinating. Performance, so good her. Like I saw this clip of how they did when she's being chased by the principal and it's in the gas station and that shot where it's chasing her down the aisle and they turn, so I saw like the behind the scenes where it's the camera operator is on skates and skating behind her. Yeah, and like they're showing the rig and they it's like a really quick just like a clip, and they show at the end where she gets to the door and she's like panicked, and they cut and you can see she like drops like she's acting and she's like she's like, okay, we're cut, and she like drops whatever she was doing. And I was like, god, she's so good that, like sheer panic, like she just acted her ass. Off in this and like so so good that scene that was crazy. The oh my god, the moment god, well okay, we're gonna get to that too. But the moment. Well, no, no, we'll get to that in a bit. Yes, yes, okay, characters, we're on the characters, okay. Al Din, Aaron Aaron Reich, Paul Morgan. The corrupt police officer just seems ex boyfriend, So just a police officer, yeah, just a normal regular. Oops. No, but yes, absolutely not at all surprised when he punched Austin Abrams at all, Like I expected nothing else, but what first with a baby, It's just a needle. I'm just kidding. It's later, Okay, fine. I know I will that that first moment or that like that that segment of the movie, which also I loved that, like fragmented storytelling where like all differ. O, yes, a non linear storytelling. I love it in books and I love it in movies. Same. So, but that part where where that happens and he punches him and then it like comes back to it where he's like cleaning him up after. It was very much like the like any like I'm sure you and uh and Carmen have been through it where like this the one sibling hurts the other and they're like, yeah, don't here, you want you want something? You want a candy? Yeah no, it's like don't don't, don't, don't tal mom, don't tell mom. It was very very It was kind of funny too, from like obviously in real life, I'm sure this happens and it's not funny, but in the movie, like it was just kind of so silly. It was. It was speaking of Austin Abrams. He was James, a homeless drug addict and a thief. I we already talked about it, but I wrote in my notes side note, but as many of you know, I'm obsessed with it walking down and immediately I was like, okay, ron son of Jesse who almost gets with Rick. Yes, I see you. That's what I wrote there. So good. Yeah, no, he yeah, obviously great. And again that like he did the stunts, so in that scene that was so funny. Yeah that apparently I'm saying I keep forgetting his first hand. But Brolin and I saw an interview where he's talking about it and he was saying he was like, yeah, he was a trooper and like he wanted to do it and I throw him and he'd get back up and like, oh my god him. Yeah. Also he's just like so skinny, and Josh Brolin is so strong, so I could just already picture this. He's just like throwing him around kind of like you. Yes, I love that. Yeah. Carrie Christopher was Alex Lily, the only child from Justine class who did not disappear. And my heart for Alex. Also, I is this his first role? I don't know. I think he's like a theater kid. Okay, that makes sense because wow, he killed it. Let me look up his Carrie. I later saw a TikTok of him talking about something and I was like, oh my god, yes, like he's just so cute. Look I him. Oh my god, he's a horrible. No, no, he's got let me see, he's got some stuff and almost Christmas story mister mom like small things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, great like. Days of our lives. Okay, yeah, my mom probably knows who he is. Yeah, so's he's been in some things. Yes, wow, yeah, no, he it's it's you never you never know with kids, you know, like how well they're gonna do, like because they're they're young. You know, it's like how much experience can they really have? But I mean, I feel like all the kids were great, no matter the size of their parts. But this kid who played Alex was it was so good and yeah, just like it broke my heart. At the end of the movie. I was like, oh my god, this kid's gonna be fucked up forever, like, oh yeah, there's no fixing that. No. He had like such a normal, like you know, set of parents. Things were normal he's getting picked on a little bit at school, but then Gladys Gladys comes into his life and just fucking destroys it. Jesus, the Gladys, not the thea. That you want for sure, and then just like seeing him go from like already a quiet kid to even quieter, and then just you know, obviously worried about his parents having to eat each other because he doesn't follow his aunt's rules, and then like feeding them, and then this like dependency, like child parent child dependency flips. He's now feeding his like I don't know, fucking zombie like parents or they're just like mindless, so sad. He's parentified, Yeah, which I want to say. I saw an interview with Zach saying that he that that was kind of like because there were like all these theories about what it meant, like what the movie meant, And I saw an interview where he was saying that it was more like introspective than it was about anybody else or the world, that it was more about like his own childhood with alcoholic parents and like having to take care of them. And you can see that in the movie, yes, and yeah, like you could feel it, like you could see it. And then I saw that interview or that clip of that after watching the movie, and I was like, oh my god, it broke my heart even more. I was like, that is oh really really really really really heavy. Yeah, which then kind of ties into what you were seeing earlier about comedians, and they're like, having been through so much that then they're like the best to have to be the ones putting this into action via a movie or whatever. So wow, wow, that makes so much sense. Beneedic Dwong as Marcus Miller, the school principal who is sympathetic to just seeing really her ally and all this, and I loved him. I loved him. Yeah, he apparently I don't think. He had that many horror movie shows or movies in his past, and so he was like traumatized with the blood scene, with the chasing just see. He was like, I don't want to do this again. He was like, I was so scary. I was so bloody for a baby. I mean, it was brilliant. If you don't have a lot of experience with it and like this is your big foray into it, I can imagine that it's overwhelming. Oh yes, that was a really intense scene. Oh my god. Okay, since we're talking about him right now. He when and Gladys goes to his house and he's like, he doesn't want to let her in, but his very kind partner is like, no, let her in, help her, she's thirsty. I'm like, what a mistake. You know what sinners and weapons is, just not to let people into your house. Truly, no ever, I was like, you, stupid little gay man. Just because she's got a fierce ass bob and some brighte ass what is it the county Bob, that county bob her and that bob what's the name bob? So you're calling her bob? I was like, no, do not let it. Also, I had half a mind to show up in full and Gladys caught played tonight, but by the time I thought of it to order the wig, I was like, I don't have time and I'm on a very tight budget right now. I was like, I cannot spend money to overnight a wig. Yeah, but just imagin just both show up dress as her damn would have been hilarious based opportunity, But yeah, I was like, sir, do not let. This random woman into your home? Like, who looks creepy. She doesn't look like normal. Sit back down, eat your seven hot dogs and four and watch your show. What are you doing? Oh my god? No, I told Jeff. I was like, no, there's no, there's no fucking way that whatever happened at our house? Are you kidding me? No? No. Immediately, first I wouldn't have answered the door. No, It's like phone calls. I don't answer them unless I know who's calleen. I've had a scheduled call M. And also it's work related. No, no, not here, baby, I'm off the lock. Yeah, immediately I would have looked through like, ooh, not home. Nobody the Jehovah's witness, don't answer hide. No. Literally the way my family it is not even so many people I know. Really, we literally get on the floor. Okay, let me tell you really quick. So one time, because my mom did not believe in to rain on the ac even though we had one, and so we would have like in Modestoka's hot as fuck. It's like the Central Valley, we're you know, mountains here, we're down here and there's no water near us nothing. So it was like one hundred degree summers, and so we'd have the door open, fans going and there you could see them walking up in their little fucking suits or whatever, their little tracks, their little outfits, and then you know, one of us would be like, oh my god, they're coming. The Jehovah Winses are coming. Yes, and then it'd be like, oh my god, hide, but like they could see us saying all this as they were, and then we were like hide and then we like got up, ran behind the couch, got on the floor. But they saw all of this happen and they're ringing the doorbell and we're like, no one's here. No. Literally, same we would have the like the windows open, so it was the screen and with like the and they're like the sheer like lace curtains that don't really hide anything. So they would get up to the like the front of the house and they couldn't see inside, and we're swearing that we're. Not there, and that is what Marcus should have done, but no. Yeah, yeah, and then his husband, but it just lay down the floor with their hot dogs. And yeah, eat and watch the documentary, but hide. The whole scene of her going, like the tension is building and I'm like I'm already like watching the movie, like you know, you already know that it's a horror movie. And I wasn't thinking when a thing's going to happen. I was seated enjoying everything already. And the moment she brings out the the stick, snaps it and then he starts, what is it? Is it? The he starts being his partner? Right? Is that what happened? First, my jaw hit the floor. I was like, oh my god. And then like everyone silently turned to each other, and I'm like, is everyone seen this? Like yeah, like is this really happening right now? It was so hard to Again, very few movies that elicit these kinds of reactions for me, but I was literally like the seats in Alamo, thank god they're so comfortable, because I literally had my knees to my chest. So it was like this, like I barely watching and I was like looking at Jeff, Oh my god. It was so so hard to watch visceral visceral feeling. I was like the whole time and my pop porm was gone. Ing it in the bag. It was crazy. And that was like the first real violent moment in the movie. Yeah, and it just kind of it fucking hit you in the face like true. Yeah, I felt, oh my god, that's terrible. Oh yeah, you know it was like you said. The way that the tension was built in that scene I think was so effective because you knew, oh my god, some ship is about to go. You didn't know what Yeah, oh my god. I was not expecting that. She asked for the bowl and I was like, oh, this bitch is a witch. Yeah, and then she pulled out the twig and I was like, yes, we gotta go. Yes, yes immediately, And I think we know from just our background in both podcasts that like we know, water, nature, trees very witchy. So immediately I'm like, something is bad is going to happen. Did I think she was going to like start drinking the water like a dog? Yes. As soon as she said bowl, I was like, no, she's doing something. Yes. I was like she's going to drink in And I was like, no, that doesn't make sense imagines that's what I thought, right, No, No. And speaking of Gladys, uh, Amy Madigan was Gladys and I had not seen her in anything, and I was like, okay, Amy, I see I see you, Now, I see you. I was like, where is this going? Yes, yes, standing ovation. For her, like I can't even I can't, like, oh my god, no, what the what a performance? What a performance? Break out star? Truly like yes, yes. And then randomly just in long note him, I. Know, literally he showed up and I felt like everybody in the theater was like. Yeah, oh, because he's not listed in the cast. He no, he's just there, and of course he is because barbarian, you know, scream king. Really truly, yeah, he's the father of Bailey, one of the missing children, and so yeah, that's pretty much all the people. That was also a really good comedy moment. Is that at first the the Alex's or now Alex Josh, Yeah, Matthew Matthews, Matthew's dad, Yeah, Josh Brolin. He asked the mother first, can I see the ring footage? And she's like no, I'm not comfortable with that. He's like okay, and then cut to him sitting with just He's showing him the footage and she's like me, I guess. Truly, I was like that that was a good also really good comedy moment. Now yeah, he'd be like okay, are But honestly, though, when they were on the screen together, I was like, what if they just gave a little smooch really quick? Oh, I would like to see that right right? And they were boys. I love it, I would love it. I mentioned this earlier, but I apparently people wanted the movie thinking it had to do with aliens, And at first I was like, that's so why, But then I was you know what, it makes sense a bunch of kids go missing and you don't know, nothing's explained. I guess you could think alien abduction, but my mind went to true crime, like you mentioned, I thought it was going to be like some crazy deranged serial killer. I know, we get to range Grandma insteady. Yeah, yeah, I mean in a sense, it was kind of all those things, like these these kids were in a sense abducted, like they were taken from their homes against their wills. And it was a true crime sort of thing because the things that Goddess were doing were definitely not within the confines of the law. She broke a couple of laws. Feel yeah, and aliens, I don't know. You know a lot of times people say that, I mean a lot of what's it called, like paranormal stuff is also like it's supernatural, it's interdimensional, it's connected, right, alien. Right, so yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, all right, and the platform Wikipedia. A child narrator explains that on a Wednesday two years prior, in the town of Maybrook, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. Yes, not Pennsylvania. Okay, I never say that. That state, so it doesn't exist. It was made up for the movie. Only California, Washington, and Texas. Really that's for me. Yeah, okay. Anyway, seventeen children from elementary school teacher Justine Gandhi's third grade class suddenly ran out from their homes at two seventeen am and disappeared. Only one student, Alex Lilly, remained almost a month after the incident. Principal Marcus Miller places just Seen on leave a mid community suspicion of her involvement in the children's disappearance. Depressed and ostracized, she relapses into alcoholism and seeks comfort in her ex boyfriend, Piece of Ship Paul, police officer. Paul Morgan, Piece of Ship Paul Ye. Concerned about Alex's well being, Justine follows him home, where she observes the windows covered with newspaper and Alex's parents sitting motionless in the dark. She urges Marcus to perform a wellness check. Just seen, revisits Alex's house, but follows Leep in her car, and this is where we see Alex's mom stagger out of the house, get inside, cut the lock of hair. Yes, just like that. You know what? It was? Sorry, really quick. I wanted I'm gonna post maybe I'll post it on TI talk. It is. When I saw her doing that, it reminded me of the courage the Cowardly Dog the music. Yes, yes, yes, what a moment though. I thought something worse was gonna happen. I thought she was gonna kill her, and then she cuts a piece of her her and I. Was like, when the car door opened, it was There's I can name on one hand the number of times this has happened in movies. But when the car door opened and everybody in the theater did the pure panic, Oh my god, that happened, and I was like, what's gonna happen, It's gonna have what's gonna what'snna happen? It was terrifying. Something as simple as just a little a car door opening was yeah, your terror. The tension built in that scene where it's like the house, the car, the house, walking the. Door, and then she got a haircut. Yeah great clips. No no, Also, I'm reading it in this order. But like all of these scenes, we don't see the full picture until the end of the movie because we're getting bits and pieces of everyone. Until you connect everything, everything comes together. And again my favorite style of like storytelling. Don't give me that linear bullshit, give it to me pieces. Yeah, next, let me let me figure it out. Okay. So then archer Graph, father of missing child Matthew, begins his own investigation out of frustration with the police slow progress. At the reviewing security camera footage of Matthew and another child. This is justin Long's Child where he forces them to show, not even forces them, but just alongs like sure. Yeah, and they may or may not have kissed who knows. Nobody knows, and they probably did. Yeah, that's how we thanked him. Yeah yeah, yeah, just like that. I was gonna say, was there tongue? I don't know, and then I was like, no, I shouldn't say that, and I said it. A full on affair is happening somewhere in the background of this storyline. Yes, yes, And you know, when he gets the footage, he sees both of them. He notices that the kids are running first the same with their hands like behind them, but in the same path, because he's already got a map, he's already mapped out in what direction his son went. Then he sees this, they map it out and he's like, all right, well it's isn't It's in this general area, but they don't know where yet. And then separately, Justine and Archer have creepy ass dreams with a woman in clown like makeup gladys. Yes, so creepy. That shot of hers is that? Yeah? No, that's what Jeff sees when he wakes up every morning, and it's me. Yeah. Yes. Then while on patrol, Paul Piece of ship Paul arrest James, who we love a vagrant drug addict. That's what we could to call them, Not me, I would have called him the qutie with a little bit of problems, you know. Yeah, I'm going to edit a picture of James with like the little like anime blush and like sparkles and hearts, yes, and then. Put yourself in the corner like that. Right. So, yeah, he's arrested for attempted burglary. I can't say that word is I have to say it like that. I'm like that cam. Okay, So he releases him because then he punches him and he assaults him. When he's accidentally poked, he reaches into his pocket, and you know what, like, I understand that you have to search it, but if you're afraid that you're going, if you're so dearely afraid that you're going to get poked, make him empty out his pockets. Yeah, tell him, give him the order to empty them out, or go back to the station, book him, process him, empty his shit out when he's at the station. And then you don't risk poking yourself. And who hasn't gotten a little poke from a mysterious vaccine, who has not been there? It's not that they're about to be not free, Okay, grateful, right, I say it as a healthcare worker. I haven't poked, and I've had to do all the labs like it happens. But police, they are so scared of everything, and so of course he reacted this way. But that's why there's post exposure profil access. You can Yeah, you just got on that PEP within twenty four hours, forty eight hours, and you're good yeah. So to me, as a healthcare worker, I was like, he's just being a little bitch. Yeah, there's a process for this. Yeah, like we're good, you're good, Paul, but no, Paul beats the shit out of No. He punches James once in the head and James falls over, and then that was caught on camera. Yeah, and then he's like shit, shit. Because he's stupid, and so yeah, that happens. Later, James is like looking for cash because he needs it right for you know, as good ease. Yeah, it's just as good ease. The little tree, little tree, Yeah, just his little tree. He really want diet coke. Yeah. Yeah. And so he breaks into Alex Lily's house and the craziest thing to me is like he's walking around right and he's like putting things in the pow case. He sees Alex's parents sitting there and he's like freaked the fuck out. He falls over, but then he turns and there's like that gaming system and he's like, oh sweet, and he just gives He's like, oh yeah. That's right. I was breaking and entering and ceiling was a shit. Okay, back on track, focus. Yes, yes, get focus, focus And then he goes down to the basement and he sees all the kids, and he's like, what the fuck. And it's so funny because, like, you know, as a person like who's not in the midst of an addiction, I don't like, dude, get out of there and call the police. But no, he needs the money so he can get more of, you know whatever. He was doing a heroine maybe math. I don't know which one it was. I'm assuming something that could be shot. The one with the spoon. Oh yeah, I guess when I saw him with the spoon and the lighter though, or did I imagine that, you know what? Probably? Yeah, because he had needles too, more than once. Yeah, could be more than one thing. Yeah. Oh no, I'm done. So you have the spoon, you melt the things, you put that into the needle. Hey, everybody take notes, yeah, and that's what you're ingesting into yourself. So yeah, that's why he had the needles. Okay, anyway, I hope he took your notes. Okay, so Edorial later clip this and put it up up without. Context and kids, that's how you do drugs. No, No, I've never done them. Yeah, me either, not those kinds. I don't know where to. Get them, Okay, like I just don't anyway. Yeah, he he this. Sure, it scares him a little bit, but it doesn't at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. He needs to steal so he can get more money. But when he sees the poster of the kids all missing and that reward of money later, he's like, wait, I saw those kids. Yeah, wait a minute, minute, I can get that money. And so he tries to call and be like, hey, can I knock go to the police station, like how do I get my money? I know where they are? But then like he has to go there, and that's when Paul sees him, piece of shit Paul, and he chases him. James flees into the woods where he sees something lurking. It's it looks like a clown woman right Lea is Oh my god, Ronald McDonald. Yeah, scary Ronald scarier Ronald McDonald. And he gets in his tent because it's like a jump scary you straight up see her. And so naturally he's scared. Something is chasing him in the woods. That's not Paul, something else is out there. But then Paul comes chasing him, zips open that tent and James and I don't blame him. I would have done the same thing. Thinks he's being chased. He's defended himself with the bunch of needles and bam stabs Paul, who did deserve it. And it's just funny because he was so freaked out about the one tiny prick in his hand and now he's just bam. Just full of needles. Yeah, oh my god, did this No? I think before this he had already like cheated on his girlfriend and his father is the her father is the chief police, and he already had to tell him about the camera incident on the first needle prick, and now he's got a full bunch of needles. Oh my god. He's not sometimes no, nor does he deserve a good time. Of course. I think this is where he tries to grab James to take him, I don't know, arrest him or something, and James is like, no, no, no, I know where those kids are. So together they drive to Alex Lilly's house. He leaves James handcuffed in the car while he investigates, and he's gone for hours. James is like, what the fuck, I need to get out of here. Then he re emerges, drags James back in the house. We don't know what happens to them until later. At the same time, glad or Justine, Justine has been like bothering Alex Lilly like and I understand she's grieving too, She's being attacked by her community. She wants answers to but she's been total time and time again to leave Alex Lily alone. Girl, And oh my girl, just leave him alone. Just keep drinking, just keep go, get into the bottle and mind your business. Yeah, but no, she doesn't do that. That's why her her hair gets cut. She gets a free superclip. Yes, so, and you know she. Tells Marcus about all of this, and she that poor man is like, please, Justine, stay home. Fuck no truly, He's like, girl, I am tired of your ship. Leave it alone. Yes so, No, she doesn't leave it alone. If she had not done this, like, none of this would have happened to him. But because of her insistence, Marcus is visited the school by Gladys because he needs to check on her, a wellness check on Alex and so, but because his parents are all fucked up, she's the one who goes Gladys and he insists on beating his parents because he has to. He has to to make sure that Alex Lily is okay. And later Gladys shows up at their house with Marcus and Terry and this is where we were talking about earlier, where they shouldn't have let her in, but they do, and this is where she does her little witchy ritual. She has a ribbon she took from Marcus, hair from Terry and Justine. This enchance Marcus, he fucking attacks Terry, insane. After he brutally attacks Terry, It's so horrifying, and it just keeps going until his his head is like. Not there, Hamburger Helper, Yes, it was. It was. Then he was after Justine and we see him running across town with his hands you know. Then there you have my room. I'm in a tiny apartment now, so I can't even put my hands behind me. The wall is right there. This is the Seattle life for you. But you know what, I love it, the Seattle live we're in. Everything's bigger in Texas, you know what. No, I's to hear, no truly speaking of weapons. Uh. Also the sorry the detail in when they were under Gladyses spell for some reason. They like their eyes were all yes, messed up, and his were like bulging out of his head. They looked so wild. Oh I forgot. He also like vomits onto Terry. Yeah, that part I was like a. Disgust. Yes, yeah, I. Again, I had no more popcorn and that was great because I would have no That was insane. Yeah. He runs across town or Ruto style and attacks Justine at the gas station where she happens to be fucking arguing with Archer because he he wants answers to he's grieving. He's barking up the wrong tree, though, and so he's like they're arguing. She's like, I don't I don't know what happened either, and he's like, no, you have to know something. She really doesn't. Yeah, She's like, please tell me what you know. Yes, And so that's where Marcus arrives and starts running after her and our fers. I was like, who's gonna help someone? Help her? Like she runs in the gas station, she's like the please. Oh my god, yeah, god, what does she say? What was that? She was like? Didn't she say? She's like yes, She's like, fucking help me. And the guys like the store. Oh my god, nobody got help. Help nobody, yeah except Archer. Archer helps and so he's like fighting for his life trying to get Marcus to calm down, and he doesn't. And then eventually Marcus runs in the street and is hit by a car and also dies. Yeah, insane. Later in the hospital, Archer's like, okay, I first they thank each other. She thinks him for helping her because nobody else was coming to her rescue at all. And then he's like, but you know what I noticed is that he's running just like the kids were running. And he says, like, if their weapons, and I was like, they said it, they said the title. There's a title, yes, and. Then he brings out the map. He shows her like they're running in this direction, but I don't know what's there. And she's like, oh my god, Alex Lily, his house is there and bam. And so this is where we learn a little bit more about Gladys because then we cut to her Glattice and we learn she's a witch. She can enchant victim during their energy so that she looks better. I mean, she was looking like death when she first showed up. And then she's Yeah, she's looking better and better as. She got for a girl have a skincare regimen. You know what? Right? Right? Yeah, you know which I did see somebody. Oh no, Jeff was telling me actually that he there, she is there. We heard Margaret get well, get in here if you're gonna. Make no noise anyway. That allegedly, so I'm sorry. What is her name again? The actress who played Gladys. Oh, Adam, no one, Adam, Amy something Madigan, Yes, Madigan. Amy, Madigan, Adam. It's close as cluss, but so apparently. I think it was Zach Craigor that gave her the options for playing this. Okay, I'll wait wait, yes, we're going to talk about that. Yes, yes, circle back to it later. Yeah, put a pen in, it'll come back. Yeah, put a theigned branch with hair and ribbons on it. Yes. So yeah, where was I let's see during their victims rejuvenate, Yes for juvening. Okay. So after enchanting Alex's parents and threatening their lives and poor Alex has to feed them, she orders Alex to keep her secret and then to bring personal items from his classmates because she needs more for her skincare routine. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And these items that he takes, he uses she uses to make the spell that draws them all to their house at two seventeen am, all on the same day and time. They all run out and that's why because of her spell. And then they are kept in the basement and poor Alex has to carry more and more soups. It was like a Chef Boyard commercial. Yeah, propaganda for soup. Yeah, big soup. Soup paid for this, they really did. They sponsored this movie and they wanted to go out and buy Campbell's. Speaking of this, patron episode is brought to you by. Campbell's Let Me Go get my can I hate can't suit? I mean, especially after this movie Jesus, Yeah, especially I will make a quick while the. No I won't. I won't put my mom to me and she'll make it but I can't. I should, but I don't. I'm the worst. Okay. So then Justine and Archer together enter Alex Silly's house and they're immediately attacked by Paul and James, and of course Justine's like, what the fuck Paul, Like, what are you doing here? Paul? Why are you attacking me? Paul? You know She's like, oh my god. She's like Paul, Paul, Why my god, Yeah, Paul, Yeah, he's there in this enchantment. So they you know, this is where we get the hilarious scene of archer James again and again. That was amazing. And then I mean they eventually just seen has to take Paul's gun and shoot him. That's the only way I'm devastating for her really, because that was her boo, even though he was in another relationship, that. Was her boo. Yeah, that was her stinky link. Yes, well it was. And when she tried to kill him, she shot his neck first, right. Yes, and he kept going again. Yeah. I was like, that is before all that though. The peeler to the face, Oh my god, I forgot about that part. Oh that was crazy. That was another part where I was like, yeah, and I knew it was coming as soon as I saw them. Oh yeah, show it, I said, I'm out. So what you want to do is you you you peel your garnish, you twist it over the rim of your martini and then you lay it on top and it's a beautiful garnish for your Campbell's human soup martini. Yes, skin from this guy's face. Oh my god, it's the Paul Campbell soup. Yeah, the Paul tiny yes, beef jerky flavored yeah, And. Then I forget why Justine also, I mean James also won't stop attacking Archer, and she does end up shooting or James too, I think, right. Yeah, then she stays up there like grieving because she literally just killed Paul. While that's happening, Archer goes down into the basement and he finds I think he sees Matt like his son too. But then Gladys is down there and she's. Like she's in the corners. Yeah, that was scary, and so then Gladys enchants him and he attacks Justine. She he's not expecting it at first, like they don't know what's going on. We do, but they don't. Yeah, they really don't. No. No. At the same time that this is happening, Alex was warned not to cross this boundary of salt that is in front of his parents, and then Gladys disappears into the basement, but Alex is already like, now something is up, and so he does he breaks that boundary and then his parents attack him. But he I was like, why is he doing this, but he had a plan. He had this plan all along. He runs into Gladys's room, grabs, you know, a hairstrand from her wig the stick. He snaps it. When he snaps it, immediately she's like fuck. She senses it. She knows. Yeah. Then the children run out of the basement chase Gladys around the neighborhood. They keep chasing her. That she's going. They're going through houses, the people inside the houses. That's so funny. They're like, honey, very like Fairest Mueller's day off when he's right through the neighborhoods. It was very that he was. It was. Then they catch up to her and tear her apart. And they grab her by her three little. Yeah, and they just fucking pool and pool. Oh my god. They pull her apart like a string cheese. It's insane. And then her death freeze her more recent victims but not those who have been in like under her spell the longest yeah, and it ends with like, okay, Archer is reunited with Matthew. He carries his son home. Then a narrator, the little kid narrator, which makes it all creepier because kids just make things creepier is like Alex moved out of the town to live with a different aunt who is so much nicer, but his parents were institutionalized and he's not feeding them soups someone else is. So they never recovered. Yea. Some of the kids spoke again. Yes, some that made me think. I was I was like, okay, so is it that the longer they were under the spell, the longer it's going to take them to get back to normal. Maybe, I feel I hope, because it would suffer Alex for his parents to just like, not I recondiz. That's it, That's how they are forever. I was like, I really think that there's like a rehabilitation aspect that like the spell is going to wear off. And because like Archer, you know, he kind of like came to immediately and he was only under it for not even like a minute, right, Yeah, So I was like, I think and if he's saying that some of the kids started talking, I'm like, okay, So it was an immediate back to normal for Archer. The kids, it took a while, but they later some of them are talking. Yeah. Yeah. The parents. Alex's parents were the ones that were under it. The longest. So I was like, it's probably going to take them longer than anybody else to start to get back to normal a little bit. So I was like, I'm hopeful for Alex that his parents will make it back. He deserves it. He does. He does the hero of the movie that moment when his dad isn't there to pick him up and you immediately know something is wrong. And then he gets home and he's trying to talk to them and they're not answering back. I was crying for that little kid. I was like, no, no, oh my god. It was. Yeah, it was really rough. It was so so sad, so sad it was. It was And Okay, Gladys. I wanted to talk about Gladys a little bit, played by Amy Madigan again, like I said earlier, Okay, Amy, I was not familiar with your game, but wow, killed Amy eight. Yes, she did so. Apparently Zach Kreeger told her to pick two different ideas for Gladys' origin story and then she could pick either one and he no one knows which one she picked, Yeah, he said quote. I presented Amy with two options of her origin story. I was like, you can pick one of those two they're very different options. You don't have to tell me, but it's either this or that. I don't know which she put. One is that she was once a regular person. For her spells and corrosive actions are our last ditch effort to heal herself of a life threatening illness. She had to adopt this methodology that she uses out of a place of emergency to keep herself alive. I won't say any more than that. The other was that maybe she's not a person at all. The off killed her red wigs and outlundish makeup suggests Gladys is some other kind of creature trying to stimulate what she thinks a normal human being looks like. But she's doing it badly. He is framed, No, she is framed in the context of Javier Bardem's character from No Country for Old Men. I haven't seen it. But again, he doesn't know the answer end quote. He doesn't know the answer, and he loves that, he said, quote, I don't need to know the answer. He doesn't need to know it, which is why earlier I was like, I think he loves the vagueness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Costume top notch. Listen this Halloween it's going to be a night of a thousand gladyses. There's gonna be so many, and I kind of want to be her too, even though I know there's going to be one hundred of us out there, but I'm like, I cannot wait to see. I mean, already people are doing her costume and costplaying as her online and I'm loving all of them. Yes, and I also especially love drag queens performing as her. It's so good, amazing. But yeah, the Halloween costumes are about to pop off. Yes, apparently the costume designer was like deranged grandma when designing her. Look who's way Who's. The costume designer was thinking deranged grandma. When range GRAMA, Oh my god, yeah no, it really really is that. Like, but before I go on with this part of the notes, what do you think which one of those do you think she pitched? Oh my god, it's so hard to choose, Like ever since so Jeff had told me about this, that that that that quote, and I really like I cannot make my mind up about it. I really don't know, I I don't know. I'm I'm going to take the easy answer, and I'm going to say it's a mix. I'm going to say that she was maybe like faced with this like life threatening thing, and she started doing these rituals or this magic whatever it is, and it did become corroser to her, and it opened her up to something else. And so now she's a mix of something. Okay, maybe she like drew in something. She made a deal, you know, with a demon or something, and it's like now co inhabiting her body. So in order to keep away this illness, she needs to let that demon possess her so that her body stays alive. I don't know. I'm like, yes, I love that. I think she's a witch, but like an old ass, ancient ass, which has been alive for so long. That's why she doesn't know how to act because things keep change. So she's like, I don't even know what the fuck people are up to anymore. I'm going to be this fucking weirdo. And I love that she needs people. You know what she's doing. She needs to do that to keep staying alive, because like there's so many legends where we just had to eat babies to stay looking young, and to me, this could be another iteration of that where she has to do all this and so. But the reason she acts so weird and doesn't act like a normal person, like a creature trying to be a person, is because she's so old. She like doesn't know how to act. I love that option. That's what I'm going with here. I like that a lot. Yeah, she's like this ancient thing maybe human, but yeah, like she's losing her humanity. Yeah, because she's so alive. Yes, yes, I love that. Also, she's been compared to the like thing from Long Legs. I haven't seen it either, though. Again, these are all coming out when I was into my movie going phase, and I can't I don't know. I need to like treat movies as shows where I pause them and then revisit them because I don't have a lot of time to watch things. Accept the same shows again and again. Yeah, I really liked Long Legs too. I can kind of see that comparison. And then other people have compared her to the clown from it, Pennywise. But I'm like, what if you combine Pennywise and Long Legs, I think then that's what she looks like. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, like a really freaky Ronald McDonald. Yeah, yeah, so maybe like a demonic rotal McDonald. Yeah, and oh yeah, I re said this. She's just like a super old Asian witch that doesn't want to die. Also, what was like she's like obviously she's evil, Like there's no questioning that. I still love her, you know, I support her wrongs and her rights. But what was like wild to me is that we see her get so like a touch of emotion like sadness. When Alex is like, if you get better, are you going to leave my house? It's like she wanted to be welcome there, but first how. Like how yeah? Yeah, yeah, there's that little like shred of again, that humanity where she feels that sting of like I'm not wanted. Yes again, after all she's done to Alex, I don't know why she would expect or want that. Yeah, I'm like miss thing parents' faces like, oh crazy, that was crazy. I'm getting rid of all of our civil war. We're only gonna have plastic cutlery from now on, so we're eating with our hands. We're eating with our hands honestly, because the plastic will hurt more, it won't even go in. But the reason I think she's a very old ancient witch is because of her rituals that she does. Because her stick looks like it's from a blackthorn tree, which is huge in Ireland, the British Isles, like Europe, it's like connected to witchcraft there and it has been since like the age of time, like fucking the I don't know, witch trials of like the fifteen hundreds, like medieval times. And this tree look up a blackthorn tree. It's like rough, scaly looking, it looks scary, and the branch she has very much looks like it. And to witches, this tree represents the dark side of witchcraft. And I was like, wow, this makes sense. And then even in like European Christian folklore, this tree is associated with witches and apparently it was back then believed to be used for binding whatever that means. At first, I was like what does that mean? But then I was like, you know what, it makes sense when you think about how she's like when she uses her stick and snaps it, that person belongs to her now basically like you know, so she's like, I guess binding them. You could say they're like attached to her now. So I was like, wow, yeah, no, this doesn't make so much sense. And in medieval times it was said that the devil poked his followers fingers. I don't know why their fingers, but then I was like, wait, she's poking her finger. Oh my god, my brain is making connections. Anyway, he would poke the finger of his followers with the thorn of a blackthorn tree. And then I was like, wow, okay, yeah she's a witch. Yeah, yeah, I'm googling it now and I'm seeing all of these results for this tree. I was like, oh my god, it was like this magical bond zee and I kind of want one, right, I'm like, where do I where can they plan on? What nursery do I go to to buy one? Right? Wow? So yeah that's the After reading all that, I was like, no, this she's for sure, which to me now, after all, taking all this and these practices are like old as fuck, so like like Celtic times, I was like, well, well, yeah, she's probably from that time. Yeah. She has such like a mastery of the craft in the movie, like she's just like it's like second nature to her. It's very she's like super casual with it too, like especially when she's well for all of them. She's just kind of talking to her and she's like, yeah, you know, I'm like trying to She's like yeah, just like you know, hot dog that's cute. Snap yeah yeah, Like she's barely even trying. Yeah, she's no baby witch, truly experienced, experienced for sure. Professional, She's been around and I mean that's what I had on Gladys. Is there anything else you want to add about her? She is the mother I never had, the sister I always want. Okay, yeah, Like I'm obsessed with her and the like the like for like, I don't know, I'm like, I know she's evil. I know she's evil. I know what she was doing was wrong, but she's kind of fierce. Like you said earlier that County Bob, like she's giving giving me life and she's and she's also taking life, you know, so she's giving him taking. It's recipious. Yeah. It was like just I don't know. Everything about her was like such good character design and so well performed, like and the the lore is so good, especially because it's like, what exactly is the lore that ay Amy Madigan was given this prompt of like you choose her background and don't tell anybody I think that's so cool. Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. I think. Ever, like she's yes, yes, so so cool. I agree, I agree. And then the title weapons. Obviously, I think one direct tied to the title is Gladys turning her victim into literal weapons to do her bidding when she is snapping them to her will or snapping them into her will. But there's something else, And I was like, you know what, though, you could also say that grief can be weaponized for nefarious purposes, which we have seen in real irl sadly, like when the whole this is terrible because I don't remember her name, Blake and Riley act happened and unfortunately the family of her went on like a media press run demonizing immigrants when like one person did this, and I was like, she's essentially become a weapon for them to push their narrative and with the whole movie, so you're not grief, I was like, oh, there it is. Yeah, yeah, oh my god, that is such a good way of looking at that, Like that's like a there's got to be a better word than good, but that is like such I don't know, like yeah, that is it's just yeah, That is a really interesting, like I think accurate way to look at that is that, yeah, people will weaponize their grief and their trauma. Although it's hard, it's hard right to be like, you don't want to tell somebody how to grieve, but this is obviously like you're like, yeah, you're using this person's tragedy to harm entire communities, to harm an entire group of people, and so yeah, you're essentially you're turning their their their legacy now is that they're a weapon against those people. Yeah. So wow, I didn't even I hadn't thought of that. And that is this is what happens when you overanalyze things. Yeah, when you really be thinking you yeah, yeah, god, yeah, yeah, no, definitely, and it happens a lot. Yeah yeah, oh yeah wow. I mean even within the movie Josh Berlin, I keep going from using his name in the movie and his actor name because I keeps getting one or the other. But he is. Essentially attacking just seeing the most in that initial scene during the conference that they're doing in the school, he's the most outspoken. He's the one riding Witch on her car. He's the one attacking her verbally, not like Marcus who physically attracted her in the gas station, and because he has turned his grief into a weapon because he's grieving. Now there's a witch hunt for Justine who literally doesn't know what's happening. Yeah, and she's become the scapegoat. But it looks bad, like. Yeah, you know, I think one not even a criticism, but just like something I was curious about is everybody was so like like, yeah, the witch hunt was on her. But I feel like if I was someone in that community, I would have also been like why was he spared? Alex? Right? Like where nobody asking Yeah, suddenly his parents are sick after these kids go missing, like no, I want to see them, Like what do you mean? Why was why was he taken? And why was he left? And my kid was taken? Yes, yeah, I would have been asking that as much as I was like why why did it happen? In her class? Like yes, his parents I think were also should have been as much of a suspects as as she was, right, because it's like, you know, like why was he spared? Like that doesn't so yeah, I was like why is nobody questioning except her? Except for true? True? True? Yeah, But again like it's it's a movie, right, so people are not going to go to the most obvious things. Yeah. Yeah, another thing that came to mind for me, and the director has come out and said, no, this was not my intention at all, but in this climate, there's no avoiding it. School shootings because kids, like all these kids in a school go missing. At the same time, the parents reaction to yelling at Justine could be very much mirror a reaction of like, well, why did he have access to this like gun? Why was nothing done before to stop this? Like that's immediately my mind went to there. And like literally at the time we were recording this morning or was it yesterday, I see there was a school shooting. Yeah yeah, oh my god. This fucking country is like a shill truly, like put it in the garbage bin, start all over. But yeah, it's kind of I think that is like at like the surface level like before I heard also like the interviews with Zach Wher, he was like, no, this is more about like my childhood versus anything else. I think it's very easy for people to make that assumption, like Budge, it's about that, and I think it is again for lack of a better word. I think it's a good analogy. It's I think it's like a poignant kind of way to have that conversation, because yeah, it's like suddenly these kids go missing all at once and it's in a school, and it's like, this is something that unfortunately happens often in this fuck ass country. So yeah, I'm like, yeah, I can see how people made that connection. Yeah. Yeah. Another big theme alcoholism addiction. The ramifications of both of those things. We see with Justine whose alcoholism gets worse and worse and then thus her descend back into alcoholism affects Paul, who again is a piece of shit already anyway, Yeah, but he makes the wrong choices at the same time, and also what's it called, like breaks his sobriety with her, and together they're terrible. Combination. Yeah, like they bring out the word in each other, but they were meant to be, Yeah, truly, But like we see her get worse and worse as the movie goes on with her, like that's how she's coping with alcohol, and then of course James James and his addiction on how that plays out, and like through those characters, I think it makes so much sense that it was an introspective movie for the director when he talks about like his parents and how this is like him putting that into a movie, and I was like, oh, that makes so much sense when you look at these three characters and their addictions. Yeah, addiction was very prevalent in this movie. And yeah, I don't think it's something that I've seen and maybe I'm just not seeing a lot, but it's not I think a conversation, the conversation that I've seen happening a lot or maybe enough about this movie because I'm like three of the main characters, like three of like the characters that we follow in the movie, they're dealing with this, So how is that not more of a focus? And I'm talking about like in the rest of the world, like people that are talking about the movie online and stuff. But again, I could just be missing those conversations. So I mean, I haven't seen them, which is why I brought it up. Why is no one talking about this? Another thing that was like crazy to me because it's like it happens again and again. But boundaries being crossed, Oh my god, yeah, again and again, like obviously the biggest, like you know, one Alex crossing the salt boundary that Gladys has placed. But even like smaller examples of this is like the initial when when uh, Justine, Justine and Paul meet at the bar after that crazy meeting at the school, where she's like, can I give you a hug because that has to be like some boundary that him and his girlfriend have and he breaks it immediately He's like, sure of course you can. Oh my god. Yeah. That seem was kind of funny to me too, because she was giving very like I'm not like a regular girl. She's not She's not like the other girl. Ye. Yeah. I was like, Okay, this is a problem I already I can already tell like I've seen this happen before. Yeah, that was yeah. Yeah. And her continuous pushing boundaries with Marcus and Alex, Yes, that was another big one where if she hadn't been pushing so much, Marcus would have been alive watching documentaries with Terry. Yeah, no, truly eating their seven hot dogs. But when she was like parked outside of Alex's house on the street and he's walking back and then now we know that he's trying to get soup to all of his classmates to keep and his parents to keep them alive. Yes, and his fucking teacher is like, albeit, you know it's it's probably it's coming from a good place. She's like also scared and like this kid should be checked on. But she was told she's repeatedly to leave him alone. Yeah, at this point she's stalking him. Yeah, And I'm like, this poor kid is already dealing with a lot, and now he has this teacher that won't leave him the fuck alone. And he like and he's also like, Gladys has threatened him, I will kill your parents if anybody finds out. So he's like just pleased, like I need to just survive. Leave me alone. Yes, I'm like, oh my girl, get away from him, get a job, get away from him, get a job. The Demi Levado tweets yes, get a job, stay away from him truly. Yeah. Just a lot of boundary pushing crossing in the movie, Like it has to be like a purposeful theme. In you know when this was being made. But yeah, those are those are my notes. Ten out of ten movie. I was gonna say, what's your rating and then you said it ten. Out of ten? Yeah, top again, just like all the bangers that have been coming out lately, so so good. Yeah, everybody, I think if you haven't seen it, you need to go watch it. Yes, I would. I might go watch it again. Even if I thought about it. Is I think this weekend might be its last run? Okay? Yeah? Because what is it a month that they're usually there or is it a month a half? I think so No, I don't know either. It's there this weekend for sure, though. I'm gonna watch it again somehow. If I have to wait for it to stream at home, I will. Oh yeah, I'm waiting. I'm waiting for it to be streaming somewhere so I can watch it. I've already watched Sinners another two more times. So good, so good, and yeah, I can't wait for this to be streaming. I will probably look for it to own the DVD as well, like it's it was so good. Oh yeah, yeah, it's one that I want to own like physical. Yeah yeah, and yeah, Aiden, Thank you so much for yapping with me about this movie. Thanks so much for having me. This was so fun, truly truly. Again, my dream is to have a movie recap podcast, but I simply don't have the time. So this will do. This will do for now for now. Yeah, yeah, once a month or so, we should like pick a movie together and just yeah about it. We'll have it for our own Patreon members, so so we can both post it. It'll be a blast. So let's do the Substance next. Yeah, I need to watch it. Yes, I'm so down. Okay, you know what you all you let us know. And one of my lights went out. Glads here Yeah, anyway, I know I haven't here you go, I have it. Hey, always have a backup. I love repaired bam. 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