Latin American Conspiracy Theories

[00:00:00] Cristina and Carmen Amparo Hi everyone, this is Cristina. And Carmen. Yes, that's right. No MJ today. We did announce it last episode that she was going to be busy during this recording. And so she is not here today.

[00:00:17] But instead, the lovely unofficial official guest co host and my twin Carmen has so kindly stepped in as co host today. Yes, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to be here as the unofficial official co host. Yeah, yeah. We're also attempting to record video today.

[00:00:37] So we'll see how that goes. If it's successful, you can see our lovely faces over on YouTube. Yeah, and if I make weird faces because my dog is behind me and he shakes his ears. And yeah, it disturbs her. Yeah, yeah. It disturbs me too.

[00:00:53] Yes, today I'm going to be telling you about a couple of conspiracy theories. A couple of Latin American conspiracy theories. Yeah, I will say, I mean, there's like a few out there, but some of them, they're kind

[00:01:07] of hard to find because in Latin America, any conspiracy theory that like, oh, no, no, like the government was actually planning on this and this person died. It's actually true because of the US involvement in Latin America. I found... Sorry, I don't want to spit out my water.

[00:01:29] I think like a couple of years ago, there was like a big... Some documents were unveiled, if you want to use that word, and the Panama Papers or whatever. Oh yeah. And there was like an insane amount of like wild shit that the United States did.

[00:01:44] So most of these conspiracy theories end up being true. Yeah. Which is why they're hard to find. But I have a couple. I have one that is involving a president of Ecuador and the other is an artist. Okay, like you might know. Like an artist, like a musician?

[00:02:00] Like a famous person? Yeah, a musician. Okay. Yeah. But I'm not going to tell you until we get there so that you can be shocked. Okay. And like your reactions. Before we get to all that though, I do have a listener story.

[00:02:11] Party Migos that are, if anyone watches on video, there's like 200 subscribers on the channel, so maybe one person will watch. I'm going to be looking down on my phone because I didn't put the story over here.

[00:02:22] If you have a story for us that you want us to read on the podcast, you can email at spookytales at gmail.com. You can leave it at the number in the show notes. I don't have it memorized. I'm sorry.

[00:02:32] So if you do that though, I will play it in the episode. You can also attach a voice memo to our email and I will play it in the episode. We've had one and it was great. You were on me. Yeah, I was on it.

[00:02:42] On it with me as well. Yeah. You said you were on me. I understood you. Oh, I didn't even hear that part. I'm sorry. Oh, you thought I said it right the first time?

[00:02:49] I started talking at the same time because you know how I just blurt out things. You know how I be? You know how I be? You know how I do? Yeah. Cutting people off in their mid-sentence. Yeah.

[00:03:01] Yeah, and apparently people just really hate that because we got a three-star review. They were like excited about us covering Latin American stories, but they were like, these girls fucking suck at storytelling. They are the worst. I'm trying, but wow, the interruptions, the stuttering, the mispronunciation.

[00:03:20] I can't follow it. I don't blame them. Maybe you should go find another podcast then. I recommend if you happen to be listening, first of all, if you listen to 1 through 50, there was less editing. There was more. It was worse.

[00:03:33] It's a little better, but no, we're not perfect. I can't read. Just last episode, I skipped a bunch of my notes and I was like, oh shit, let me go back because in true ADHD fashion, I skipped a whole section of my notes. So yeah, we can't read.

[00:03:49] We say this often, we're going to make mistakes. And we never said we knew how to read. No. Yeah. I look, I didn't even graduate from college. Okay. I dropped out like 10 times. So yeah, we're going to make mistakes.

[00:04:04] That just means we're not the podcast for you and that's fine. We're not for everyone. If you want to laugh and be a little scared, then yeah, we're for you. If not, I suggest Susto Podcast. Aiden narrates and edits so well. It's seamless and he's perfect.

[00:04:19] Obviously a lot of editing goes to it, but if you want Latino, Latina stories. Like just straight through, no conversation because it's a one person. Then check out Susto. That only has a fancy name, one person. Yeah, like a solo host, you know? Yeah, check them out.

[00:04:35] Anyway, yeah, listen to the story. You can also submit it on Discord. There's a lot of options. And all the ways you can submit it. Yeah, yeah. So here it goes. Hi, it's me again. This story experience was told by my grandma.

[00:04:49] Not to me because honestly, I don't think I was supposed to be listening. LOL. That being said, I don't know how true it is since my grandma is no longer alive. I believe your grandmother. Yes, may she rest in peace. Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:00] For context, my grandma is from a small rancho near San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. All right, Jalisco. I'm going to stop you off because people hate that. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Wow. Okay, let me continue, Carmen. Do I have your permission?

[00:05:18] It's even worse when it's me and you together too. It is. That's why I'm saying like, I'm sorry. All right, let me continue. I'm not going to name the actual rancho and I'll explain why later.

[00:05:30] For the most part, everyone is pretty religious and they have peligraciones every now and then. They have pilgrimages every now and then from rancho to rancho carrying the statue of a santo, a saint.

[00:05:42] The story goes that they were in one of these pilgrimages, maybe two, three days long. There was an old lady who was toward the back of the group wearing all black with her face covered, which wasn't unusual because they wanted to keep dirt and the sun off their

[00:05:56] face. She was carrying a sack over her shoulder and several people had offered to help her carry it. She kept refusing help and people didn't push the subject since sometimes people had mandas like promises they had to keep to a specific santo.

[00:06:10] So people thought, all right, maybe this was her manda. So they kept walking, resting at night. On the last day of this pilgrimage, the old lady approached someone and asked if they could help her with her sack. Don't do it. Don't do it.

[00:06:23] I know because we already talked about it. We'll get to it after I finish the story. We did. Okay. The old lady approached someone and asked if they could help with her sack. The person said yes and carried it the rest of the way.

[00:06:37] So when the group of people got to the church where the santo was supposed to stay, the person with the sack was looking for the old lady. They couldn't find her so they started asking around.

[00:06:45] Nobody had seen her so they all came to the consensus that they were going to leave the sack with the priest. For some reason, the priest asked if they had opened the sack and they said no, it's not our business.

[00:06:55] So the priest opened the sack and it was filled with bones, human bones. I don't know how they found out but apparently the old lady that no one could find had died a while ago and she was delivering her own bones to her final resting place.

[00:07:12] And her bones are now buried at that church. Well, it could have been worse. Now as religious as these people are, it's also rumored that there's a lot of witchcraft in the rancho where my grandma is from, both good and bad. I would rather not mess with that.

[00:07:25] Okay. Because they could have been the old lady, old people version of what our mom told us, which is worse because... Do you remember? You know what I'm talking about? No. I don't remember. Then what were you saying earlier? Because you said... Oh, wait, no, sorry. That's exactly...

[00:07:40] No, that's what I'm thinking. Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah. Tell us what our mom told us that I momentarily forgot, even though I knew all along. That was weird. Yeah. So our mom told us that whenever an older person approaches you and you're like on a

[00:07:59] pilgrimage like that, and they ask you to carry something for them to never accept it because they're giving you their burden. Yes. And then it's yours to carry forever after that. So, yeah. So this version was a little better. Yeah.

[00:08:15] Because the, you know, it was just her bones. They were really just doing her a favor. Yeah, it was just like the oscar in her. Yeah. She's just trying to get her final resting place. Yeah. Did you recognize the name of the place? I kind of did.

[00:08:28] San Juan de los Lagos? Yeah. Okay. And the rancho of Las Pocanchis, was that? I have to wonder if they're like maybe a little related. I hope not. I mean, they have to have. Yeah. And I mean, right?

[00:08:47] For our newer listeners who might not have listened that far back, maybe started here at this episode, but Las Pocanchis are a group of four deadly sisters that killed a bunch of people and a bunch of places in Mexico and took a bunch of women.

[00:09:01] Go back and listen to that episode. Horrifying, horrifying story. But yeah, San Juan de los Lagos. Don't quote me, but I want to say that this was their final rancho before they were like arrested where they had like all of their enslaved women.

[00:09:16] I mean, that's what they were trapped here. And this is where they would bury everyone after. I'm pretty sure that's where it was. Although it could be Guanajuato. I can't remember because they had like three different places like this. But they for sure had a rancho here.

[00:09:32] So wow, what a story. That was a good one. Thank you so much for sending that in. And okay, on to our topic conspiracy theories. So my first one was good, but I feel like it's not that much of a conspiracy theory.

[00:09:48] Like it's not surprising at all to me. So Jaime Roldos was the president of Ecuador from August 10th, 1979 until May 24th, 1981. And he had a short tenure as president, but he was known for his firm stance on human

[00:10:04] rights and his courage to stand up to foreign powers who threatened Ecuadorian interests. Yeah, but this is like, that's a no-no to a certain country. Yeah, this one. Yeah, this one. He died in an airplane crash on May 24th, 1981, an hour after delivering a strong speech

[00:10:26] at the Atahualpa Stadium in Quito, Ecuador, where he commemorated the Battle of Pichincha and Ecuador's independence from Spain. During the speech, Roldos said that the fight for independence in Latin America was not over and Ecuador will not become involved in inconsequential entanglements.

[00:10:45] And by this, he was referring to the United States opposing leftist insurgencies in the continent. He was like, no, we're going to take care of us. We're going to be human rights over here. And yeah, like we said, that's a no-no for a certain country.

[00:11:01] In his speech, he went on to say that Ecuador will instead pick their battles wisely and will follow a humanist agenda that will improve the lives of the people of Ecuador. I love it. He said this in front of thousands of people who cheered on his speech.

[00:11:15] An hour later, his airplane exploded midair. It crashed into the Huayra Pungo mountain, 15 kilometers from where he was at. His sudden death raised several eyebrows and led many to believe that Roldos was assassinated by the CIA.

[00:11:33] Since his death, a few books have been written about Roldos, about his death, and they argue that he was killed by the CIA. There's one book called Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, and he claims

[00:11:44] he was hired by the NSA to convince leaders of underdeveloped countries to take large loans from the US, thus trapping them into a system of American control and influence. Not surprising at all. Yeah, that sounds like a real thing. Yeah, that sounds like what's it called?

[00:12:00] On target for the United States. Perkins claims to have background knowledge on how the US operates in foreign countries, and he argues that Roldos was assassinated by the CIA. So I mean, there's like a lot of reasons why the CIA would want him assassinated.

[00:12:15] He was elected after years of a military dictatorship. He promised to bring democracy back to the country and do what's good for the country, even if it meant standing up to the United States and to oil companies. Mm-hmm. I'm sure they didn't like that.

[00:12:32] This made him popular among the people, but a threat to several companies and countries who wanted to continue exploiting Ecuador. He did stand by his claims. In 1981, he presented new hydrocarbon laws to Congress. This plan was considered radical because if it was implemented, it would change the country's

[00:12:51] relationship to oil companies, and it would impact several nations across the world. Oil companies quickly denounced these laws and tried to lobby Roldos to change his stance, but he did not back down. He told these companies that if they didn't follow these laws, they would be expelled

[00:13:08] from the country. Oh, snap. And then he took it one step further and kicked out a US-based group called the Summer Institute of Linguistics Organization. I love that. Yes. This organization translated the Bible into languages, different languages in countries

[00:13:24] around the world, and focused a lot of their energy on reaching out to indigenous groups in the Amazon. So they were out there colonizing. Yes, they were. Wow. And Roldos and a lot of people suspected this group was a front for the CIA. Really? Yes.

[00:13:42] And they believed that this group had influence over regions of this country, especially the regions that were close to oil. That makes sense. In 1991, he expelled the group out of Ecuador and accused them of working with the oil companies.

[00:13:56] This group was also disrupting the development of indigenous groups. And he said it was important for the country to regain power over the Amazon, so to take it away from the companies and to give it back to the people, really.

[00:14:08] There's also the initial report of his death that raises a little bit of suspicion. Initially, the national police reported that his plane crashed after a bomb went off after it took off from the airport. That report was quickly retracted and sealed.

[00:14:23] And then it was labeled an accident and that there was no bomb. That is very suspicious, right? Thus, as the kids say, that's suspicious. Yeah. In 1997, another investigation into his death determined that he was assassinated, but then the matter was not pursued any further.

[00:14:41] And apparently this case has maybe been reopened and there might be new information coming out in the next few years. There was a recently declassified CIA document that revealed Ecuador was one of the Latin American countries where the U.S. backed Operation Condor.

[00:14:57] So this would end state military dictatorship in Ecuador, also in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. Damn. Okay. I mean, yeah, it sounds about right. And they would agree to endorse state sponsored terror to control what was perceived to be the threat of communism.

[00:15:16] That sounds very real. These recent documents were declassified after Ecuador's office of the attorney general asked the CIA to declassify them so his office could take a closer look at Roldo's death and finally determine if it was actually an accident.

[00:15:32] So we'll see what comes of this and maybe we'll find out if this conspiracy theory is true or not. I'm calling it right now. Yeah, I think we know what we're going to find out.

[00:15:43] And as always, all the problems in Latin America can be pointed out to here. The girl US of A. Yeah. Yeah. And I included that because it's not like confirmed yet, but a lot of the theories and conspiracy theories in Latin America, these conspiracy theories are not theories.

[00:16:02] They're true. They're true conspiracies. Yeah. You know what I missed? My conspiracy theories were actually like normal conspiracy theories. Now it's like this QAnon, lizard people, reptile baby eating, pedos, you know, like stop it. Yeah.

[00:16:21] And it's like, please, if you want to find real conspiracy theories, just look at these other places. They're there. Well, you don't have to look at other places. Look at here, but to people of color, to black people, then that will tell you.

[00:16:34] Like those are real conspiracies, you know? Yes, exactly. Yeah. And that brings us to our little haunted break. We want to give a special shout out to the Spookies who support us on Patreon and especially our newest members.

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[00:17:59] And my other one was the more fun one that I personally love because it reminds me of when they say Avril Lavigne is not really Avril Lavigne. Oh my God. Tell me, okay, before you said anything right now, I'm like, this is going to involve like

[00:18:12] someone having a clone or something like a secret twin or something. Yeah, that's exactly. Okay. Um, I can't guess who though. Like, I don't know. You don't know? But I have heard of Avril Lavigne. Okay. Okay.

[00:18:23] But you have to have heard the one I'm about to tell you. So if you're a millennial or even Gen Z, I want to say you probably know who Luis Miguel is because he was your mom's crush. Oh my God. I didn't know that.

[00:18:38] I didn't know there was this conspiracy theory about him. Really? Oh my God. I love this. So you had no idea. No. Yeah. I mean, our mom and for years now, there's been a conspiracy theory involving El Sol de Mexico.

[00:18:52] The theory Luis Miguel is actually not Luis Miguel. He actually, he's still laughing. I'm sorry. He actually died years ago and he was replaced by a clone. Luis Miguel has been in the spotlight since he was a kid. Yeah.

[00:19:07] He's been in the spotlight since he was a kid. He won a Grammy at like age 14. I mean, his talent, unheard of. Well, no, I mean, I guess it's a little heard of, but why did I write that? His talent unheard of. Wait, wait a minute. Yeah. Whoops.

[00:19:29] And I, so, and he's one of the only Latino artists that didn't cross over to English during the Latin explosion of the 1990s. I didn't know that. Yeah. But a few years ago, rumors of Luis Miguel not being Luis Miguel came to light. I want to say like 2018, 19.

[00:19:49] Yeah. My first time hearing it. Wow. I had no, I thought you would know this. No. Wow. There's a Colombian, oh my God. Clairvoyant? How do you say that? Oh yeah. No, this is not how you say it. Clairvoyant? No, I said clairvoyant. Clairvoyant.

[00:20:05] See, that review was not wrong. We can't pronounce things. They weren't wrong. You said it like. No, I said it. It's true. Yeah. It's very true. Colombian clairvoyant, Desiree Tavares was, I think the first to declare to the media,

[00:20:23] like officially, because some clairvoyants, they say some outlandish shit. Like this is outlandish. I'm including this in the outlandish. Oh yeah. Me too. Like, I think there's also another, I don't know if she's the same clairvoyant or not, but.

[00:20:38] The one that says that Jenny Rivera is still alive? Yes. And Juan Gabriel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if it's the same one. Wow. I don't know either. Maybe there's more than one. I bet you it's the same one. I would not be surprised.

[00:20:51] Like that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. No, same. But yeah, she's the first one who said this and I will say her statement. Yo veo en las cartas que. I'm going to say it in English after in Spanish. After I say it in Spanish.

[00:21:03] Yo veo en las cartas que Luis Miguel está muerto hace mucho tiempo. Desde principios del año 2000, las cartas ya lo figuraban como muerto. Incluso las cartas señalan que ha sido suplantado muchísimas veces. So he has like a lot of clones.

[00:21:20] Y que Luis Miguel de los ochentas fue asesinado por un grupo de tres hombres, especialmente por un emperador, lo que significa un político o un hombre con poder que ordenó matarlo de forma violenta. But why? I will tell you. First, I'm going to repeat this in English.

[00:21:38] Oh my God. I see in the cards that Luis Miguel has been dead for a long time since the beginning of the year 2000. The cards listed him as dead. Even the cards indicate that he has been impersonated many times and that Luis Miguel, the Luis

[00:21:50] Miguel of the eighties was murdered by a group of three men, especially by an emperor, which means that it's a politician or a man with power who ordered his violent death. I have questions already besides the outlandishness, but the clairvoyant said that he the cards

[00:22:09] have been saying he's dead since the 2000s. But then they also said that he was murdered in the 80s. No, no, no. Oh, she's saying that the Luis Miguel we knew in the 1980s is no more.

[00:22:22] I think it's just a fancy way of saying the person we met in the 80s because it's really when he rose to stardom. So like the person that we met. Isn't she saying he was murdered in the 80s, but then she's saying that the cards said

[00:22:34] he's been dead since the 2000s, right? Isn't that what she said? No, no. I think she's saying. But did she not say he was murdered in the 80s? No, she said, look, let me reread it to you because you're insisting on this.

[00:22:50] So she said, let me scroll back up in my notes. Okay. Scroll back up. I'm going. So, el Luis Miguel de los ochentas fue asesinado por un grupo de tres hombres. Like Luis Miguel of the 1980s. Like a guy we knew.

[00:23:04] So then there was another Luis Miguel that replaced him like a clone? No, this for the first time he was replaced and the first time he died was the 2000s. I'm okay. I understand what you're saying about he was a different person, but she also said he was

[00:23:19] murdered. Okay, like, look, if I deleted it of the 80s, you this wouldn't you would not be confused. So is she saying he was murdered in the 2000s by a politician? Yes. Oh, oh, okay. Oh my God. Yeah. Okay.

[00:23:36] I thought she was saying that was in the 80s. So then I'm like, how are you saying that? But saying that he's been dead since the 2000s. No. Yeah. Since the beginning of the year 2000, the cards listed him as dead.

[00:23:46] And then she goes on and says the Luis Miguel of the 80s, like the person we knew was murdered by a group of three men. But that she's talking about this happened in 2000. Okay. It's just she worded it really weird because she's a clairvoyant.

[00:23:58] Like they just have to say he's all mystical and shit. Because she's a fucking goof. Okay. Yeah, that too. She's a fucking clown. Because she's a silly goose. Silly goose. So there's maybe three theories about how Luis Miguel supposedly died when he was 20. In the 80s.

[00:24:13] Okay, hold on. Let me look up. In the 2000s, was he? Oh, sorry. His early 20s, it says, is what my notes say. Oh, was he in his early 20s? He's 50 something right now. Oh, so maybe he was. Oh, yeah, yeah. That would put him... He's 53 right now.

[00:24:28] No, no. That would put him, yeah, in his early 20s and 2000s. You're right. Why did I think he was older? I thought he was older too. Yeah. He was born in 1970. Okay. No, then he was like 30 in the 2000s. Oh, yeah. That would have put him in 30.

[00:24:41] At 30. Mm-hmm. Huh. I thought it would say he died in his early 20s. Oh, okay. Well, I guess her medium message or her clairvoyant message said he's been dead or at least since... I don't know. I'm confused now too. Wow. She's 12. Okay. Well, yeah.

[00:24:59] I mean, we knew that. There's like nothing behind this, but at least get your math right. I don't know. It would lend a little bit more credibility. Yeah. I'm like, okay, since the beginning of 2000...

[00:25:11] I mean, I guess she says since the beginning of the year 2000, he's already listed as dead. Okay. Okay. I mean, let's just move on because none of this makes sense really. So there's at least three theories about how he died, but he's 20 something.

[00:25:28] One theory is that he overdosed, was buried, and then there's two lookalikes that take turns touring and doing appearances. The third theory is that he died... Oh my God. Oh my God. I can't. The third theory is my favorite. Okay.

[00:25:49] So the third theory is that his death was actually Mexican president Carlos Salinas de Cortari. And of course I didn't write down when he was president. I thought I did. Okay. 88 to 94. Okay. Oh, so yeah, this would put him at early twenties when he died then. 88 to 94. Okay.

[00:26:08] So that's when this man was president. Luis Miguel was dating his daughter, the president's daughter. So her name was Cecilia. According to this version, Carlos Salinas de Cortari was against his daughter dating Luis Mi. And I'm like, how could he be against this? Look at this man.

[00:26:24] I mean, he's objectively handsome. He's not bad looking. Yeah. Yeah. He's el sol de Mexico. Come on. But apparently he was against his daughter dating Luis Mi because of his drug use. So keeping in mind he's against this relationship, Cecilia invited Luis Miguel during this time period, 88 to 94.

[00:26:44] I can't find an exact year. Maybe 94. We're just going to go with 94. It puts him in his early twenties, mid twenties, something like that. So she invited Luis Miguel to a party in Los Pinos and this is a former residency for presidents.

[00:26:58] And now it's like a museum or something open to the public. But back then it was a house for presidents. And so there was a party going on here. And while the party was like full blast, partying at its height, whatever you want to say, Luis

[00:27:10] Miguel began experiencing terrible chest pain and he was taken outside for some fresh air. He felt like he couldn't breathe. Like this just was really bad. And when he went outside, somehow he fell and hit his head really hard. And then party goers tried to wake him up.

[00:27:28] And when paramedics arrived, they pronounced him dead. And to avoid scandal, the then president ordered for a hole to be dug up right there on their property. And Luis Miguel was buried there. And then he was later exhumed and moved so that he could not be found.

[00:27:45] And since that moment, an Argentinian double has been pretending to be Luis Miguel. Okay. There's just no way because on top of, right, that there's no way, a party goer would have already spilled the beans, you know? I mean, they were paid off.

[00:28:03] All of the party goers, every single one of them. All of them. Oh my God. And the clairvoyant, she said, Las cartas marcan un desacuerdo muy grande entre Luis Miguel y el político y muestran

[00:28:18] también que hubieron dos hombres al mando del hombre de poder que le pegaron una paliza al cantante, lo desfiguraron y lo mataron. Y igualmente, las cartas dicen que a Luis Miguel le dieron un tiro fatal en el hígado. Let me translate that really quick.

[00:28:34] So the cards show that there was a big disagreement between Luis Miguel and the politician. They also show that there was two men at the call of this man in power. And these two men beat up the musician. They disfigured him and killed him.

[00:28:54] And the cards also say that they shot him in the liver. Fatally. Oh yeah, fatally. Yeah, fatally. Did I not say that? No. Oops. I can't read. As we've said many times. So yeah, she's the one that maintains that it was violent.

[00:29:15] All the other ones are really like, it was an accident. They all maintain that it's an Argentinean double pretending to be him. There's even like a journalist that claimed, yeah, I spoke to him before the accident, before his quote unquote death.

[00:29:30] And I've talked to him after his death. And he's a different man. And he sounds Argentinian. And now he has an Argentinian accent and he didn't have a Muslim. Oh my God. Sorry, I'm just Googling when Mariah Carey and him dated.

[00:29:43] So I can see if she was dating his double or him. Wait, they dated? Yeah. I didn't know that. When? I'm looking it up. They met in 1998 in Aspen, Colorado. And they were set up on a blind date while she was in the process of divorcing Tommy Motola.

[00:30:02] And then they dated from 98 to 2001. So yeah, she would have been dating his double. That was not Luis Smith. That was some Argentinian man. Yeah. And I mean, if you look pictures up, it just looks like an older man that's gotten surgery.

[00:30:16] But so many people insist like, no, this is a different man. It fuels his change in appearance. And I'll put pictures over this and share them on the social media as well. Pictures throughout the years so you can see.

[00:30:29] But yeah, his physical change over the years really fuel these legends. And also he's never been one to make appearances and talk to the media. He goes, he does his tours and that's it.

[00:30:40] He doesn't really talk to the media or appear in a lot of tabloids and stuff. And so this fuels the legend or the legend, but the theory. The myth, whatever, conspiracy. Is this addressed in his show on Netflix? I doubt it. I know, I'm just kidding.

[00:30:58] I haven't seen it. Me either. That'd be funny though. They made like, they further fueled the story. They have an episode where he gets beat up and shot by the politicians men, the presidents or whatever men.

[00:31:14] And then he doubles, like just comes out of like, I don't know, a lab from Argentina. He's like, oh, now's my time to shine. Oh my God. That'd be funny. Yeah. So it did all begin in 2018. I'm just double checking another article that I hadn't read about this.

[00:31:35] What that the conspiracy began in 2018? With that clairvoyant. Okay. So there's a journalist. His name is Jorge Carbajal. Got everyone at the party and ordered them to leave and to like, stay quiet. This journalist claims that he saw them call a medical professional who declared Luis Miguel dead.

[00:31:56] Oh, and there's actually another version that the president actually didn't have him killed because he was dating his daughter, but because they were both trying to get with the same woman Adela Noriega. Oh, that name sounds familiar. She's an actress too. Oh, okay. That's ridiculous.

[00:32:13] Oh, and there's more examples by like fans that fuel this theory as well because somebody's double doesn't know Italian. He's from Argentina. He only knows Spanish. He doesn't play the piano live anymore. He's double. Didn't get piano lessons. Oh my God. Oh my God.

[00:32:39] And also he uses more music like a track playing when he's doing concerts. Okay, yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Because his double apparently can't sing as well. Oh my God. What if it's just his age? But he's not that old either. Yeah. Oh my God.

[00:32:57] Am I a believer now? No. Oh my God. Do you believe this too? Have I done a full 180? I don't know, but obviously Luis Miguel's family is like, no, this is absurd. Like you're not being replaced. Oh man. I was talking to our mom about this. Oh yeah.

[00:33:18] She was like, oh people say it because he looks so different. And if you look at his pictures, yeah, he looks different, but it just looks like he's gotten surgery. Like a facelift, like cheek fillers. Yeah. What are we looking at? Oh yeah. Look it up.

[00:33:33] He looks like someone that's trying so hard not to age. Okay. But you know, he's very white. He's going to age. Yeah. I mean, there's not much you can do when you're that color. And you can tell he did a lot of tanning. Yeah.

[00:33:45] He was very tan in his previous, in his younger days. Yeah. So, but yeah, look at the pictures and I will be posting them. Like I said. Yeah. He looks the same, but with fillers and Botox. Yeah. Like he just had like some stuff done, you know.

[00:34:02] Some kind of facelift probably. Yeah. He doesn't look that different though. Like. Yeah. I don't think it's like an insane difference. I do want to look into the Avril Lavigne claims because I don't know much about it. Just that it's a thing. Yeah. But this is the series.

[00:34:18] So I wanted to share it on this conspiracy theory episode. Then Luis Miguel being an Argentinian double. I mean, it was a good time. Yeah. Right. I did almost believe it. Yeah. We saw you almost believe it. You heard it here. You saw it here first.

[00:34:37] Carmen almost believed this conspiracy theory. Aside from like things that did actually end up being true, like in the Panama papers and this conspiracy theory, I don't know a lot of conspiracy theories in like Latin America. Me either. Like there's no like Area 51.

[00:34:55] I mean, we already talked about like the desert that supposedly aliens live in. But yeah, I mean, there's not a lot. If anyone has another favorite one, let me know. Maybe we'll do a part two conspiracy theory episode if there's enough out there.

[00:35:08] But before we go, do you have any spooky recommendations? I don't think I've watched anything spooky. I finished our book club book. Oh my God. We're going to do an episode on that. What? Yeah. Okay. I thought you said I forgot about it.

[00:35:27] And I was like, no, no, I started. I did forget about it. You'll hear that in the episode that came out last week. Oh. I say Carmen's going to be so mad at me. Oh, I did hear you say that. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:44] That would be my recommendation. It was pretty good. Okay. Well, you have to say the name. If anyone, I know I was going to say if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about.

[00:35:51] We're reading The Haunting of Alejandra by V Castro for what is the long name of the book club? The Spooky Tales Book Club for Busy People. Yes. So we were reading that and then I last time I was on, I think I had finished another one

[00:36:05] of her books. Oh, which one? No, it wasn't The Queen of Cicadas. No, no. I do have that one, but I haven't read it yet. No, it was a, what is it called? That one was even shorter. And that one I finished. Oh, so she has short books.

[00:36:19] It seems. The Goddess of Filth. That was the one I read. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. And I recommended that one last time. But yeah, other than that, I started watching the movie that MJ always mentions, but I didn't finish it.

[00:36:33] It's like similar to Mexican Gothic, like the story. Oh, the book or the movie she mentioned once, Crimson Peak? Yeah. Why do you think she mentioned it all the time? No, she mentioned it in our book club episode once.

[00:36:46] The only thing she mentions all the time is signs and the X-files. Oh, OK. Well, yeah, I started watching the Crimson Peak movie, but I didn't finish it because I don't know why I started doing something else. But I don't think I have any other speaker recommendations.

[00:37:02] I don't have any new ones. I've just been listening to Relatos de la Noche when I go to sleep. Oh, wait, we watched a scary movie together. I already talked about it. Oh, you did? Yeah.

[00:37:12] In last week's episode, which is not out yet at the time of recording. Oh, OK. I was like, what? Yeah. Más negro que la noche. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, well, that was the other thing I was going to mention. What were your thoughts on it?

[00:37:25] I liked it. I had a good time watching it. It was just like a traditional scary movie. It was the blueprint. It really was. Yeah. As I said last week. Yeah, no, I wasn't kidding. I laughed, but I meant it. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah.

[00:37:41] Despite it being old, it holds up. Yeah. I would say I could see why my mom or our mom, sorry, was scared. My mom. My mom. Yeah. I could see why it terrified her, though. Yeah, no, that would have scared me as a kid, too. Yeah.

[00:37:58] Skip like 30 seconds if you don't want spoilers, if you haven't seen it yet. But there's a scene when one of the haters of Beckett, the little cat, she's in the library. I want a cat now named Beckett. Me too.

[00:38:09] I want a cat and I'm going to name it Beckett. Sorry, this is now the spoiler. So now skip 30 seconds. But there's a scene when one of the Beckett haters is at the library and she hears a cane and then she's like, a security guard, is that you?

[00:38:23] And he doesn't answer. She does this like 10 times and it's like, obviously not. Obviously it's not him. The security guards leave and she keeps asking, is that you? And it's not. And then I think there's a point where she's doing something and then the cane just kind

[00:38:37] of like, I don't know if it hits very close to her and she looks up and then there's the old lady with her creepy face. It's all dark and then just her face is lit up. Classic scene.

[00:38:52] And then she screams and then next thing you know, they're looking for her and she's like, is she hanging from like? It's a fun movie. It's on Shudder as well as his other movies because you didn't see the other one with me and Mommy. No.

[00:39:03] But it's also as good, just as good. Hasta el viento tiene miedo. I mean that name alone. Even the wind is scared. Come on. Classic title. The other one I want to watch that I haven't seen yet by him is Veneno para las hadas, Poison for Fairies.

[00:39:17] So on my list. But yes, I guess this brings us to the end of the episode. Wait, so you didn't have a spooky recommendation? Did I not say anything? I don't know. No, because I said that. I don't think. Did you?

[00:39:30] Oh, I just said I've been listening to Relatos de la Noche. That's right. You did say that. Yeah. I will say though, because it was like three episodes ago that I was like, I don't know

[00:39:38] what he looks like, but he sounds like he would be hot in my head. Did they ever change hosts? Relatos de la Noche? Yeah. No. Because I'm not getting that vibe. Really? Oh, I haven't listened to it in a while.

[00:39:52] I also thought that the guy from MB Writers. He had a hot voice. Yes. Did he though? Did he? Maybe not. What is his name in MB Writers? I don't know actually. I just I know he's not.

[00:40:05] I want to ask other people if they thought he had a hot voice or not. I feel like we're talking about the same one. You're not talking about MC Mike, right? No. Or Magic, whatever the hell his name was. MC Magic. Not even Mike.

[00:40:18] I don't know if he was Zigzag or Dos because I don't know. I think he was Zigzag. Okay. I think I am talking about Zigzag. Yeah, me too. Maybe it was just us. I thought he had the hottest voice ever.

[00:40:29] And then and then like no one else did apparently. Let us know if you thought Zigzag. You know, I mean, I started listening of course at the bottom and I haven't listened in a while so. Oh, okay. Maybe he sounds hotter now. Yeah, I don't know.

[00:40:44] I think he does but someone tagged me in it because they're like, there you go. Someone on TikTok made a video talking about the podcast and they show a picture of him and they tagged me. The aspect doesn't count like here you go.

[00:40:56] So thank you to whoever tagged me. I now I know. I was curious and then I forgot. And then I was like, I should look him up and then I forgot and I was never going to do it. Me too. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:09] Because someone tagged me so I appreciate it. Nice. I guess before we go, Carmen, do you have anything to plug? You know I do. If you like novelas and talking shit about them, then check out Novelas con Cafecito. We are currently covering the iconic, the classic novela Teresa.

[00:41:29] And one day we'll finish that. We're pretty close. Yeah. And we just rewatched the episode, we recap it and we talk shit about it and there's like digressions so if you really like us and if you really like telenovelas then check it out. Yes. Yes.

[00:41:44] And then our other podcast is Historias Unknown where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes it's like heavy topics like racism, corruption, genocide. But we also talk about resistance, power, community, beautiful things like that. Yes. I don't know if you heard my pen fall. I did.

[00:42:02] I did hear it. Yeah. I just, I need to be holding things or I'm like what do I do with my hands? That's why I crack my knuckles but you don't like that. No, I hate that sound. But yeah, that's it. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:17] Check both of them out. They will be linked in the show notes. Carmen and I host them together. Yeah. And in the meantime, I don't know, watch out for Luis Miguel's double. He can speak Italian. I'm in Argentina. Yeah. And he can't play the piano. Stay spooky.

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