Legends From Jalisco and The Case of Pablo Amin

A Little Bit of Dodo is a podcast about a little bit of everything for curious minds of all ages. I'm Christina and you can tune in every weekday to learn about things like Cinco de Mayo, Chihuahuas and volcanoes and Latin America. Episodes are bite size, ten minutes long or less and always Latin American related. Subscribe and follow a little Bit of podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, everyone, this is Christina, and this is MJ and Carmen and this is another episode of Spooky Tale. So podcasts for all things spooky and also true crime because we're doing that again. And I don't know for how long we're going to be doing this, but I just I like long episodes and sometimes one spooky story is just it's not enough, you know. I feel, you know, I feel we're gonna keep doing this until we get recognized as the Latinati m version of And that's why we drink yes uh And I have a true crime case from Argentina. MJ. What are you you have today? I had multiple links today and I didn't know what to pick because at first I started ghost stories, but then I was like, how about I continue doing state lore, like from Okay, Mexico. So I found a few from Hallischool instead of Sakka's this time. Okay, So I found some really good ones that I don't think we've covered on here. So I'm excited we'll find out. I hope we have it, because I don't remember any of these. But that's not an indicator. That's not an indication that we didn't cover it. We never. That doesn't mean anything. But before we get to all of that, Kerman has a listeners story for us. And if you have a spooky story that you want to share with us so we can read, you can email at spooky toes at gmails dot com. You can d m us on Instagram or any of the socials. You can submitter on discord. There's a lot of options. You can call you a spooky hotline. If you think you're so too long, let me know. Okay, we will make it happen, all right. So this is from a listener. They said, Hey, I recently started listening to your podcast on my drive to work and really enjoy it. I thought I would share my mom's story with you guys. This story takes place in the small town of Buruandido. My mom is the second oldest of eleven children. So about thirty five years ago, when my mom had already moved to the States with my dad, she decided it was time to go visit her family in Mexico. They were out there for a couple of days, and my oldest sister, who was about five at the time, also went. During the week, my mom, her sisters, and her sister in law got bored and they decided to play with the Luiji board. Of course, they got in contact with the spirit of a little boy who had become decapitated in a car accident. His head was never found. They would talk to the spirit of the little boy and asking random questions. The last night before my parents were supposed to fly back to the States, my mom and aunts decided to play one last time. It was riding outside and my dad had gone out with my uncles to get drunk. While my mom and aunts were playing with Luigi, they heard their dog barking and running back and forth down the hall. Now, if you guys have been to Mexico, you'll understand that the way the houses are built are completely different to the ones here. My grandmother's house where they were playing had a partial roof, and the hallway led up to what was called the corral where the bathroom was, and was also dark as fuck. So the dog kept running up and down the hall. He would stop. No, they use that word again, Oh, no, stop whatever whatever that is. The dog kept running up and down the hall. He would stop, or right where the light ended leading to the corral. My sorry, okay. My mom says she heard the dog start crying and he beat and he came barking at the door to where they were. The dog was obviously scared and wanted to go in the room, so my aunt opens the door and lets the dog in. So the aunt let the dog in, and then she's looking towards the kora to see what the dog was barking at. Down the hallway. My grandmother had a lot of plants and vases lined up against the wall. My aunt is still looking when she suddenly turns pale. She tells my mom go to that inn. I see a little boy in diapers and he's hiding behind one of the vases. He doesn't hat, sorry, he doesn't have a head. No, I'm sorry. I can't keep reading this the sister Scaray. My mom says that to this day when she saw my aunt, she still remembers how pale my aunt got and also noticed the little hairs on her arms stand up. My mom then tells my aunt, no, I'm not looking at that same they finally shut the door and decided to put the Ouiji board inside the door. They went to better frightened, but my mom had to leave early in the morning to catch her flight. Throughout the night, my mom and aunt said they could hear the dog crying, like if he could see something they couldn't. They were afraid. Early in the morning, around three am, my mom wakes up and they're saying they're goodbye to her family. It's still raining and there's a taxi waiting outside for my parents and sister. While my parents are loading up the luggage and my aunt goes outside to say goodbye. She's standing at the door with my uncle when she notices a little boy in the front seat. My aunt then asks my uncle, why does that man have the little boy with him this early. My uncle looks but sees in no one and tells my aunt, there's no one there. You're crazy. At this point, my sister's already in the taxi, and she also tells my mom once they get to the airport that she had seen a little boy in the front seat. Fast forward a couple days later, my mom calls my grandmother to check in with her. When my grandma starts telling my mom ganda nasustandoa tu seramanas you guys shouldn't have been playing with that ouiji. My mom also notice things all off after they played with it. Anyways, that's the end of the story. Every time I go visit my family in Mexico, my aunt's always tell us a story that's scary. You know, it's worse too, Like I'm saying, it's open, So if it's an duntal, it's open into like nothingness at night. Yeah, that's even worse. That's even worse. Like like I like, I wish I could tell people like a lot of these junials barely have electricity and internet. Dark's dark. It is extremely dark, and like, yeah, I would die with that like level of like I mean, unless maybe the moon's out, But I don't think that would help much because you could probably have like you know, hills and hills and hills for miles and miles and miles, and your nearest neighbor might be far away. No, no, wow. Also, the little boy took the taxi, so did he go home with with the mom? Oh my god. No. It was like an attachment. That's even worse. But then they kept scaring the ants, so are haunting them? So maybe I feel like every phone call after that and be like, well, guess what because of you, they're still scaring your sisters. Look what you did. You just came here to start a haunting. Like, thanks, thanks a lot, don't come back, or if you come back, take this thing with you, take it with you. That's that's no, that's a no, no, no, thank you. Okay. So I have one hold on one, two, three, four stories, so they're pretty small. But I've never heard of these and I hope we didn't go over them. There was like two episodes we've done that you were not a part of. What we talked about was hada, I think, so sop Okay, did you guys do the legend of the pile of snakes? No? I may have talked about it on TikTok before, but not here. So in Talapa, there is a fountain or base in with four snakes carved and stone from which the jets of water come out. And according to this legend, the snakes were four co madres of the village who used to gossip about people in the nineteenth century. They were known as as Maria's Linguist and Maria Linguist, Yeah, Maria's Linguis. They used to gather at the fountain and one day El Indio Macario, like I was reading this in English, it was like Macarius and it's Mai warned them not to continue with the habit of speaking ill of people. They laughed and insulted him, and Macario drank water from the fountain, splashed the four ladies with the water, which I'm guessing like spit it on them, and cursed them in the Ottomi language. The four Maria lingois began to twist in two stone serpents sticking to each side of the fountain, and that's how supposedly these snakes came to be the stone snakes. I've heard this before, Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes she's mossas it doesn't go well for us. And in the paranormal, because there's another legend it's like but it's and apparently part of the legend is that if you're a gossiping, if you're a she's massa. She's Musca. That got it, that's gonna get you. Please let us she's mossas be. I like, I like what's it called? I like knowing the tea. I don't like being in the tea though, Like I don't like being part of the tea. Yeah, so I'll hear all of it and I'll tell somebody, but I won't, like, I don't want to be involved. Yeah, it's like what's it called? Those the stories when you see something, your neighbors doing something, you start vacuuming the grass. It's like, what are just vacuuming my grass? Washing the rain? Don't don't worry about it. Didn't go well for these Madias though. No, okay, so the next story is the Death Clock, and I kind of feel like we cover this, but I'm not sure. Oh yeah, yeah, we did. It's in right, yeah, yes, okay, So the next one, okay, we'll go to the next one, the Treasure of Colombo. We recover that one. It's not like Columbus, like Christopher Columbus. It's just a guy named Colombo. It is said that in the south of Jalisco, in the caves of the Nevado the Colomba lived a series of bandits with Colombo as their reference. What does that mean. I'm guessing like like their their group name was Colombo. Okay, okay, But I feel like also like from the story that I read that Colombo was also like the name of the leader. Okay okay. This was a skilled thief who managed to amass an incredible fortune by stealing from those who had made their fortune illicitly. So I'm guessing he's like he was like some kind of like a like a Robin Hood. Yeah, like a Robin Hood type figure. And the problem arose when Colombo's daughter fell in love with another bandit, something that infuriated her father. It is said that they fought to the death and the treasure was abandoned. And now for like people who want to like go to the caves and stuff. So maybe you know, it's the legends that the caves are always always have treasure. Wait, where are these caves in the south of Jalisco and the caves of Nevado. Oh, that's right, Okay, So then I'm just I'm taking notes so we can go find it. You know, they would have been fine if he just didn't fight over fight to the death with his daughter's partner. But if I was his daughter, I'd be like, what treasure is? Right now? True? Oh? What is it called? Like like when when something happens, like I'd rather cry in a like a Mercedes than on the street. They say, yeah, they say money doesn't bring happiness, but like I would be pretty happy crying and like, I don't know, imagine I'd rather crying. Imasion more rooms to cry in? Yes please? Yes? Okay. So the next uh, this next story is called the Giants of Tala And I don't know if you guys ever heard the Giants I had sounds familiar because I talked about it on TikTok. Yeah, there's a lot of myths about like giants in Mexico and videos allegedly that are real quote unquote real. I think they There was like a like a a video of a giant humanoid human thing coming out of a cave in Mexico that went pretty viral. But I don't, like, I don't know how real, Like I don't believe it's real, but it was. It went viral. Yeah, so The story of Tala has its origins in New Spain. Apparently when Jalisco was known as New Galicia. Yes, Nova Galicia. We just talked about it on easton isn't known. It was mentioned that there were giants in it after the flood, and the historians of the time reported that when they were twenty years old, fifty years before the Spaniards entered New Spain, up to thirty men appeared in the valleys of Taala, who in the Mexica language were called juannamethin hui nametin I can't pronounce, I'm sorry, guys, which means giants in their language, and twenty seven were males and three were females, and their bodies were thirty five feet tall, according to the measurements made by father Viaseca, a famous sculpture, and he observed this when their bodies were apparently dug up. Arriving at the towns of Tala, they stopped at the swamps that today are called Los Guissillos, a sienda that belonged to the zeldon Apodaca. They live in there like beasts, except in the rainy season, when they had huts so they that they could sleep and keep warm lying down. They were lazy and glutinous, and with their ferocity they held captive the indigenous people of the valley and forced them to sustain them. So I don't know if it meant like like eighth indigenous people or like the indigenous people had to like cultivate and bring them you know, fruits and vegetables and whatnot. Both maybe both. Maybe. With such frightful guests, the indigenous people depopulated their villages and withdrew to other provinces. And as the giants found themselves alone and were lazy and eaters of their own, they fainted from a lack of food, and twenty six died. They buried each other and covered the bodies with lime. So that was interesting, like the the burials, and they mean lime like the like limestone like oh okay, not like not only okay, thank you, okay, because I was on that tree. Yes, what is called the Is it a mineral? What is it? Like? Yeah, like a limestone? Yeah, I think it is a mineral, like the lime that gets built up in your showers and okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Okay. The giants who remained continued to take advantage of the indigenous people. So tired of the abuse, indigenous people gathered a group of more than twenty thousand people and went to the valley of at the Mehak where they found the giants grazing on herbs and roots and killed them. And at the fame of this victory and a lot of people like flock, so like people were coming to see the dead giants. And but but they say that like nobody approached the dead giants just in case. So this was like apparently a story that was told to the Spanish when when they exhumed the bodies and the indigenous people told the story to the Spanish. Wow, there's always legends about giants in Mexico. I gotta find the video. Let me see it was on TikTok. I see m Yeah, and then I did read back when I talked about it on TikTok that one. There's a couple of explanations for the giants. One is that people of indigenous people found mammoth bones. Yeah, and they created stories to explain the giant bones, not knowing they were about the bones. There's another story though, that the people, the indigenous people that were in this area were short people they were short and then like giant giants from like not giants, that's in real giants, but gigantic tall people from like meatro Gun were traveling and they the groups encountered each other and fought, and the shorties were like, these are clearly giants. Okay, I sent you guys to videos of supposedly giants. Okay, Mexico, But there's like so many stories of giants in North America too. Indigenous people here in the United States also had stories of giants, redheaded giants. It looks like someone dressed up in a cloak, red headed giants from No, they're here and uh oh here in the United States, there's legends of like these these. Oh, I think I've heard I've heard of those. I forgot what they're called. The top commenting one of the ones you sent says, a giant in Mexico's anything above five to five. I'm sorry, but do you not have friends from each Wakan? They are tall? No, I feel like, no, wonder Jessica's family is tall. Yes, yes, that's what they're so tall and they're from No. Then my grandfather's side, granted, he's like most like European, like he's not mixed with any Indigenous. It's like you know the span the Spanish that arrived that never mixed. Oh yeah, you've talked about him on his side and the family, they're all like six something sixty six, like my uncle, like me and my mom were the shortest people in our family. And my aunts are like five eight five nine, and her her brothers, my uncles are all like six foot sixty six. It's crazy, we're just the short ones. I thought this video from La Blanca was a witch would quit just like floating on top or something. I couldn't tell anything on the hill the first video, Yeah, it looks like a person wearing the costume from Scream just walking up the hill. Yeah, floating up the hill. It doesn't look like they're floating. It looks like they're walking. Interesting, I think they looks like they're floating. I don't think so. Well, A disagree. But also very tall, Like I mean, I feel like you can't tell from that angle how tall they actually are, but like the houses are in front of them, and I feel like I could imagine somebody's head popping out of that the the windows and it would not be like that big. It could also be like somebody like on stilts if it's like a flat area somewhere. Yeah. I do have an extra story, but it's from Reddit. Do you want me to I don't know if we covered it, I don't think, So let's do it. Let's do it because we took away from you what is that oh, oh my god, and took am minute? Yes, okay, or like what's it called? What is that thing called? I'm on dial up over here? Yeah, okay, okay. It says my experience in Monterrey, Mexico. And this is under subreddit ghost stories, and it's by you or an open Ledger and it says warning, this post is long. Whatever. Anyways, through my younger years seven through twelve, my mother dated a guy very on and off, which I think mostly had to do with him being in the army and staying with his family in Larelo, Texas whenever he was home either way, he invited us to visit his cousin's summer cabin in Monterey, Mexico for a weekend, so we did. The cabin was very Wrench style, longer in one dimension and shorter in the other, so it was built like an architectural rectangle. Your story is too long because you feel okay, thanks for sharing that. On one far side of the building think of this as an a an aerial view was the kitchen, and next to it was the living room. Attached to the living room was a long, splendor hallway connected to bedrooms on each side and a bathroom on one of the sides. The backyard was only accessible through the living room via a sliding door, and what started as a bit of the desert floor met a forest treeline of dead, dying Monterey cypress trees. Meeting the tree line was an elevated hunting tower which had its platform meeting the top of a vertical tree line, prefacing my experience of the falling information because I believe in being open minded in the very aspect that and want to tell my story rather than sell my story. Okay. On our way to the cabin, my mom's boyfriend was telling us about a cursed legend of witches of Monterrey. Apparently they had been haunting the mountainous area for generations and were his childhood's version of la Clearly he wasn't trying to scare us from the get go, and me, being so young, I was eating this shit up like candy. We got to the cabin in the late evening, so we decided to stay in for the night and watch m Night Shamalan's The Lady in the Water. I mean, at least he didn't watch Signs, Yeah, because I'd be scared. After the movie, my mom's boyfriend asked me to go get something from the bedroom for him, and I was. As as I was halfway down the hallway, he turned the lights off on me. Let me remind you, this was a very rural part of Mexico, so the dark was dark. I'm sorry, that's rude as fuck. This was a very rural part of Mexico, so the dark was dark. So with all the scary stories and at the time for me, scary movie, I was spooped and froze. My mom's boyfriend began to make your stereotypical ghost noises and taunting me to go deeper into the dark hallway, but I was so petrified. I remember just standing there, frozen in fear of Longer story short, my mother got on him and he turned the lights back on. They comforted me, and after a few apologies, we all went to bed. I can't remember how I slept that night, but I honestly wish I did. The next day, we did a basic tourist shit went to a bazaar, embraced the city's beautiful mountain range, which seemed to hug the city, authentic Mexican food, and visited the main hub of the city. When the day was done, we decided to call it and went back to the cabin. This is important to me because I remember that the night before so vividly. You can't remember anything else about this night other than what I'm going to write about. I was in the living room of the cabin, and remember my mom's boyfriend was there with me. He asked if I wanted to go up into the hunting terwer out back with him, and innocently said yes. I wouldn't trust that bitch after he pulled the night before. Uh uh mmm. I remember following him through the back door of the living room and remember him walking ahead and turning back to wave me towards him. I take it as he was trying to help me keep up with him and follow him. I watched him climb the ladder of the hunting terwer, and then I heard a voice behind me, Hey, my name, where are you going? It was my mom's boyfriend behind me, asking where I was going. I turned back to look at the hunting tower along the tree line, and no one was there. Nothing was not an animal, not my mother, not a specter, nothing. But did he in front of her emotioning? Well, he the boyfriend was in front of him, motioning to go forward. You had to follow him into the into the hunting tower. And then who said where are you going? The boyfriend was behind Okay, nod, which makes it like which brings himTo question was it the boyfriend who was with him in the living room or something else or the doppel ganger or the evil doppling? Yes, damn no. Fast forward to a few years ago. My now wife and I were still dating at the time and sharing ghost experiences. I told her about this experience and Monterrey, and I will never forget the cold, pale look on her face as I told her. She is from Mexican family as well, and this legend, of which is the Monterrey, is very real thing for her as well. The scary part. I was telling her the story on a Friday, and according to what her family told her growing up, Friday is a forbidden day to talk about them, because that's the one day of the week they're most powerful to keep you home on Friday night. Mm hmm. Apparently they never forget their prey and use that day as a lure towards what was lost. Initially I saw bullshit, But I can't begin to express how many fridays my wife has had to stop me because I had randomly brought up the story on a Friday. Maybe it was self conscious. I don't know. Has anyone experienced something like this. If not, I still like some feedback comments, concerns, thank you for reading my story, and then somebody coming in it's a Friday, Lol, a Friday. That's crazy. You just didn't learn that is terrifying because like who was he hanging out with the fucking entire time? Yeah, or like I don't even know. That's just terrifying. No, And like what explains that other than a secret evil twin? I don't know. That's far fetched to me. That's more because because like the thing is, it's like, I don't know, that's weird because the witches are not known for that kind of behavior. Well, they're known for mimicking. Oh, so maybe that because like, well, I guess like in the legends that I've heard and people like you know that people tell me they experienced they do shape shift into animals like often pigs, but then they are like and and PIDs and and and let choose us turkeys. But they also like make like talk and mimic things like voices. So I don't know, like but this was him, This was the boyfriend like history, so like I don't know, beconin for him, or maybe the boyfriend is into some like weird like cult shit. So the real boyfriend was behind him, the behind him, oh so and asked where he was going because they were hanging out in the like the living room. And then the boyfriend's like, you want to go or I don't know. Where they were going was a linger to the hunting tower, which the only way to get through it is through the living room. There's only like one way to get to it. It was just through the sliding door in the living room. So he was like, yeah, let's go, and then the boyfriend was like, you know, come on, come on, let's go, like get up into the tower, into the hunting tower. But then he heard the boyfriend behind him say, hey, his name, where are you going? And he turned back and the boyfriend was right behind him, and then there was nobody else in front of him. Oh my god. When you take out all the detail, I understand. Yeah, it sounds like he was being lured. Yeah, until like either the like I don't even know, like what if it was like being lured to like the hunting tower, to be like pushed off or into the forest. Yeah, it's weird. N No, Yeah, I would never go there ever again. Uh No, I'm telling you that I would have forced my mother and that boyfriend to break up forever. Well it sounds like they did. They did eventually, but I would have caused that shit if it was after that moment. Oh that's horrifying. I have anxiety now. Well, thanks MJ for bringing those stories. I guess this is a good place to take a little ad break. Think. Our Patreon members, welcome to our Haunted break. We just want to give a shout out to our newest Patreon members, Ecy and John Any. Thank you to the rest of our members, Corina, Teresa Mandrill, mad Hilary, Claudia Archer, Marlene, Patricia, Marilyn Lupe, Jorge Maria Carla and Astasia, Juan, Clarissa, Mickey, La Marina, Brianna Herzon, Alejandro Laney, Something rather Than Nothing podcasts, Chatta Christina, A Nightmare on Fair Street, Mari Desiree, Dianna, Sonya, Liliana, Isaac Nacho, Mama, Nellie, Alex Sennastriel, Maria Ashes and Janie, Michelle Modesto, Cynthia Jessenja Martin Rerene, Eighties Ghost Train and Matt Town Charity. Thank you so much for your support. It means the world to us. 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So I did leave some stuff out to not make it as horrible, but it's pretty horrible. And I'm going to start off with the day it happened, and then later we'll get into like the people. So on October twenty eight, two thousand and seven, in San Miguel Le Tukuma in Argentina, a couple, Pablo Amin and Maria Marta Arias, arrived to the town for a herbal Life convention not Urban Line. Yes, urban Life. Yeah and yeah, I didn't know there was conventions, but of course there is. MMMM, there is. All the MLMs have them. Okay, that's true. I didn't know that other MLMs had them, so of course urban Life the OG has to have it. Sorry to drell so early, but I went to an MLM convention not knowing it was one because my ex almost got conned into one. Of them. It was one that sold like insurances. There was so much cheering, so much my life change and blah blah blah. And I was like, I was saying there like this, this can't be right, Like this doesn't sound right? Is this real? Red flags are everywhere? There were neon Well, I imagine that this is what the erbal Life convention was like. So they arrived. They were staying at the luxurious hotel Catalina's Park, which was a like street away from where the convention was taking place, and they stayed on the fifth floor in room five hundred and fourteen. Maria didn't want to go to the convention, but Bablo was insisting, and so they went together. And the convention was in Tukuman Center. Everything was going well. Bablo gave a lecture on I don't know, urban life, smoothies or some shit like I really don't know what his lecture was on, but like what else could it be on? It's fucking rbal life, Like what milk goes best with the powder? Mix it with this and this I don't know. Was the erbal life found to have like all kinds of shit in it? Yeah? Yes, yes it was. Yeah. And the chokehol that I had on the Latin or Latina community. Oh my god, everybody, everybody's aunts were selling it. Well, I was gonna say, we didn't have a ta that sold it, and I was like, it was my mom. But it was when the thea yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. He gave some lecture on I don't know, orbal live smoothie or some shit, and it was going well, people were clappying whatever, but then suddenly on stage he started screaming at people, and he was screaming specifically at one vendor, and he was accusing this vendor of him trying to take his clients away from him, and the vendor wasn't even in the room when he was up there screaming about this, and he's like, let's fight right now and stuff like that. So Maria ran on the stage and was like, okay, like calm down. It wasn't working. Pablo stormed off stage. She ran after him, trying to stop him. She was pulling it by the shirt, but obviously he's a man and he can pull away whatever. So she ran after him, followed him outside to their car, and when they were in the car, he started screaming again that he heard a woman's voice telling him to run because someone was trying to kill him. So he got out of the car and just took off running, and Maria, worried about her husband, ran after him, and his ass ran slash walked for two hours? What and she was running after him the whole time. She should have called the authorities for help. He's clearly experiencing a mental breakdown. Yeah, something clearly was going on, because this is not normal behavior from him. So finally she caught up to him and he agreed to take a taxi, and the taxi dropped them off four blocks away from where the convention was taking place, and instead of going back into their hotel, Bablo ran into a cathedral that was right there. So Cathedral of s. Carnacion, that's the name of the cathedral. He ran in there. And now it was around five pm and it was crowded. I mean, it's like a I don't know, typical church hour, I guess, And there was a line of people waiting and some sources said baptized and others said, what's it called when you go up there to get the community? Yes, so I think it was a communion, because this is a Catholic Church. You don't just stand in line to good baptized. Yeah, well, yeah you can really, I never know at that. Well, there's also the confirmations. Oh but that's not like a baptism never mind. No, Like the only thing you're standing in line for is the communion, like a long line when my kids sit there baptism. There was a lot of people doing it that day with kids. Yeah, with kids. Oh okay. So normally the ones that I've gone to, it's like the couples that are baptizing their baby are already up there waiting, and it's like four or five people up there, not a huge line in the aisle in the middle of the aisle. That's true. Yeah, no, but I guess if it's a very busy day, then they're creating a long ass line, right, But I don't know. We were all surrounded the priest, so it wasn't really a line, I guess. M okay, okay, so you were up there with the priests, not in the in between the the pews, p thank you the sea like a fucking heathen. Oh. I only really remember it's pew because it's pew pew. Okay, So now I'm inclined to think it was the first commune or not com communion taking. We keep we keep doing this. Yeah, I think that's what was happening, because I would explain a line in between the pews. So there was a line of people, and he dragged Maria to the front of the line, in front of everyone, and he demanded to be baptized by the priest, and the priest was like, you gotta wait a line, buddy, like everyone else. It's not being weird or whatever, and he was no. He was demanding again, like no, this needs to happen. You need to baptize me. Then he there was like people taking pictures in the church for some reason. So now I'm thinking maybe it was a line of people getting baptized, like maybe they were doing baptisms on babies or I don't know what was going on. Honestly, the sources were confusing one of the two. Anyway, there was photographers there for some reason, and he dragged one of the photographers up to the front of line with them and was like, okay, you need to take pictures of like our baptism. We're getting baptized right now. The priest was like, fine, and he just gave him like a bendision, you know, like a blessing, so he'd leave, and this whole time Maria was mortified. She went and sat in a different part of the church to not be near him. She was scared as well. So after the priest gave him the blessing, before he ran out, he grabbed the bowl of like like baptism water that they have for like you know where they scoop. Yeah, so he grabbed all of that and just started chugging it. What. Yeah, I'm like, I'm just like, I'm stuck on that this man needed help and nobody called for help. Yeah, he really did. Because but then also like the wife is like, I don't know him, like he's clearly where She's like, yeah, yeah, someone should have dialed. And I mean they should have. They probably had it self like a you know, big ugly cell phone back then. It's what did I say, two thousand and seven? Ok? Yeah, two thousand and seven, So no, yeah, somebody still had I would hope somebody would have dialed nine one one, but no, wait was this here in the States? Oh, surely they had cell phones, So I don't know. I also feel like in Latin community. It's really difficult because mental health is very taboo. That's true. They really could have just been like he's just crazy and not done anything like yeah, yeah. So he drank all of it as much as he could. He chrugged it and then threw it down and then just ran out of the cathedral. By this point, Maria and him separated. She ran back to the convention to the for the friends, and Bablo just kept running in between cars, just weaving, yelling that someone was trying to kill him. He ran through Plaza in Dependencia, and that's when a police officer saw him. The officer walked up to him and asked him if he needed help, and he was surprised when Bablo asked to be arrested. So Bablo was taken to the station and there he asked for more water. He said he was dying of thirst, I don't know, and so an officer went to go get the water, but before he could even come back with the cup, Bablo ran to the faucet, turned it on and just started drinking from the running water in front of the officers for like a little too long, like it had been too long, and he was still drinking from the faucet in front of them. Finally he turned it off, and then he told officers that he was into Kuman for the Erbal Life convention. And then he said he had problems with his wife, that she didn't love him, she wanted to isolate him. Police, they were just weirded out. They called his wife, Maria, and Maria arrived at seven pm with a mutual friend of theirs named Walter. And Walter also worked for Edba Life. So Maria, they're all in the police station. They're waiting for him to be okay, like to be released. Each one of them is interviewed individually by police. During Bablo's interview by himself, you know, after Walter and Maria arrived, Bablo had asked Walter if we had like erbal life stuff with him, and then he started trying to sell urban Life to the officers, but like in a normal voice. Now, no, no, no, sorry, not in a normal voice. He was talking really fast and really loud, That's what I meant to say the whole time. And he was just telling them like he lost forty pounds using it, everyone in his family used it. And the officers were so startled and confused by his behavior. They gave him the name Bablo e loco. I mean, because again, this is two thousand and seven and it's Latin America, they're gonna give names like that. And so then he had to talk to like the captain, the person in charge the whole station before he was okay to be like let go. And when he talked to him, the captain told him that he needed to go to the hospital before being released because he needed a medical of evaluation. And Bablo tried to refuse. He tried to say like, no, they're just gonna pump me full of drugs and so I'm not going. But the captain was like, well, you need to go or you're gonna stay in custody, Like you need to have a valuation, so we release you because we need to know that you're okay. So Bablo he finally accepted. He was taken in a police car while Madia and Walter followed in their car. Somehow, the doctor at the hospital said he was okay, like nothing was wrong with him. Well, he probably had no training in psychiatric like conditions and stuff like that. True, that that makes sense, Yeah, I mean, like it's it's just so evident. I mean, yeah, like, no one sensible does this. The water chugging, that's so bizarre. But well, the running between the cars, saying someone's gonna kill him. Yeah, giving a normal lecture then suddenly screaming yeah, it's something is clearly wrong. But the doctor released him. He said, no, you're okay, there's nothing wrong with you. And Bablo begged the officer to arrest him, to lock him up. He said he needed to be behind bars, but they let him go because the doctor said it was okay, there was nothing wrong with him. So on the way out of the hospital this hospital room, Bablo tripped over a mayo stand and so those are the like one armed things with a tray on it that people put medical things on, like scalpels, fials, things like that. So he dropped over one of those and nobody saw him do this, but he grabbed a scalpel from that yikes. And they walked out and Bablo told Maria, don't worry, I'm okay. It's gonna be okay. And they arrived to their hotel, Catalina's Park. Walter, the friend, asked Bablo if he was sure he was okay, and Bablo was like, yeah, I was only behaving that way because I hadn't slept in four days. Uh well, okay, she just started there. Do you tell the doctor that, like what the hell right? Right? Because you know, like not sleeping for days is another It is a symptom of some conditions. But also so not sleeping that long kind of makes you a little sloopy. Yeah, you're gonna have issues being awake that long. So that's what he told Walter, and Walter watched us. Pablon Maria walked away to their room. They were staying on the same floor, the fifth floor. Bablo and his wife were in room five hundred and three. Babloon and my dad were in room five hundred and fourteen. So he watched them walk away. He even saw Pablo kiss Maria on the on the forehead, and he really did seem like he was back to his normal self. So whatever, Walter went into his room. They went into their room. Marianne Pablo got into bed. Bablo turned on the TV. Maria turned around to go to sleep, but then he didn't let her go to sleep. He asked her, why does she take so long to get to the police station, which I don't think she did because he ran off or they were in the church at five, if he if she went back to the convention and he ran off and got taken to the police station and she was there at seven, Like that doesn't seem that long to me. But he demanded to know why she took so long, and then she was I guess over it or something. I don't know, but she yelled back that she took lot because she wanted him to be held at some psychiatric ward like he needed. I mean, that's why he needed. I don't know the protocol for that to happen over there, but that should have been done. You think if you think if someone was saying I need to be held overnight, that they would just do it. I don't know. I don't know how any of this works. And that's not to say that a mandatory hold is like the solution it's made out to be those it's not. But I mean, sometimes when someone is a danger to others and themselves, it is necessary sometimes. Yeah, And if he was asking and it sounds like something horrible is about to happen that could have been prevented, it sounded like he wanted he volunteered himself to be on home, which is weird that they didn't take it because like oftentimes, yeah, when people who are self aware of their situation and they're like, well I need to be like institutionalized for a little bit because I'm not doing well, they can take themselves, you know, themselves, which I mean, it sounds like they didn't even call like a mental health professional to assess him. Right, it was a doctor, which still should have like recognized if they had been told everything that had happened up to that point, they should have recognized that he needed to say. They might have not been told because we don't know, Yeah, but that's true, we don't and I couldn't find information if that doctor was told or not, So yeah, I don't know, but yeah, he really should have been held somewhere overnight, and like we said, especially because he was requesting it. Yeah, I mean it sounds like Maddy I wanted that too. So this and this is the horrible part that's coming up. I can like barely stomach saying it. Okay, So Bablo Oh got mad. He climbed over Maria and strangled her and she didn't even have time to react. He's big. He's tall, she's not. So she died pretty quickly because he strangled her. But Babla wasn't done without going into like too much details and just like surface things, he grabbed the scalpel and cut her cut her eyes out and yeah, it's it's He placed each eye individually on the bed. Oh, I'm just it was so appalling to read. Wow. And then he h he cut her private area. He cut her neck and her face. Uh. Then he grabs her hair and cut part of her forehead so that her cranium was exposed. He like like cut it off, and then he grabbed her by the hair, dragged her into the hallway and all the way to the elevator. Then he was like desperately pressing the button and it was taken too long. So then he drags her over to the stairs and threw her down the stairs. Oh my god. Then he walked over to room five hundred three, where Walter and his wife were staying, and he knocked and knocked, but they didn't open the door. So when they didn't open the door, he went back to the stairs and then dragged her to down another flight of stairs. So in between the first and second floor. Then he started yelling and where he was he started yelling for the elevator. A hotel employee ran in to see what was going on. Oh employee, Yeah, obviously horrified at what he saw, especially when he saw the condition that she was in, Like, that's so traumatizing. So he ran out of there screaming, and he went straight to the phone to dial the police. And they didn't take long to get there at all. It was like within minutes they arrived and immediately they went to the staircase, the stairwell, and they told Bablo to step away from Maria. Oh sorry, I forgot to say. This is another like horrible detail. When the receptionist started screaming at what he saw, Bablo grabbed Maria's head and just repeatedly started assimning it on the floor. And when police arrived, he was still doing that. Oh my god. They ordered him to step away from her, and he didn't. He continued to kick her. Now they yelled again that he needed to step away or they would shoot, and so he did. He finally stepped away and like got on his knees, then on his stomach, and while he was laying there on his stomach, he started yelling again for water, which is like, it's so bizarre. Obviously something is wrong because he took the water from the church chugged it like chugged holy water. In the police station, he just completely was chugging sink water instead of waiting for a cup, like, it's so strange, and so here he was again begging for water and begging for mercy. He said he wanted water because he swallowed his wedding ring and it was stuck. I don't know, I don't know. He was taken to the psychiatric ward in the hospital where he had been sedated. Then he was taken to a prison that held the twenty five most dangerous prisoners of like this area, and no one understood what had happened. It was revealed that Pablo and Maria were having problems. They were both known to be unfaithful to each other at different times of their relationship. They had been together since they were sixteen, and so at this point they're both twenty four. They were young. Yeah, they met in high school, so they had both been unfaithful. They were also both selling for herbal life and they were very competitive, point where they started to like hate each other. Because they were competing over like who could make more or something. That's like the explanation I saw online. I don't, I don't know. Yeah, So then investigators went to the hotel. The crime scene was horrible. They couldn't find the scalpel that he used. They thought maybe he threw it down the window or the toilet, but there was not evidence for either one of those things. Then they thought maybe he gave it to Walter, but it wasn't there either. Walter maintained that they didn't even open the door when he was knocking, and they didn't hear anything, which is crazy to me because they were I mean, they were in the same hallway. But I don't know, I mean like I don't that's just I don't know. And yeah, in the end, nobody really understood what happened. So, like I said, Pabuin Madia were high school sweethearts. He was described as a smart, you know, nice kid when he was young, but then as he got older, he was like too smart for his own good and he got into trouble with the lawn with drugs. But still he won Madia's heart over when he as he got a little older, like into adulthood, like you know, twenty one twenty two, he started gaining a lot of weight and that's what got them into urban life in the first place, him trying to lose weight. And they got married, you know, when they turned at twenty four, and that was July two thousand and seven, so like three months before. All of this took place right July, okay, September, four months October. But as soon as they got married, they started having problems right away. Like I said, they both were known to be unfaithful to each other. But apparently Madia took some racy pictures and like sent them to his friends, and that made him very mad, and he was like, I'm gonna get revenge for this. So they started to detect this, started to think that was the reason he killed her. But I mean, I does not sound like he was in his right mind at all. No, it doesn't not at all. Sorry, I didn't look up this water thing, and I found something called psychogenic polydipsia. It says, due to a mental disorder, some people have an uncontrollable urge to drink water, so they drink it all day even though they don't need to, and then it does mental illnesses that cost polydipsia include schizophrenia and other personality disorders and even mood disorders. So interesting, Okay, okay, I mean I feel like that kind of explains this water thing. Then wow, okay, So yeah, investigators believe that that was the reason he did it. But again, like it just doesn't make sense because he was perfectly fine and then suddenly he wasn't, which sounds like a psychotic break to me. I mean, yeah, but I'm not a psychiatrist, you know, I can't say. And Pablo's trial took place two years later in two thousand and nine. His offense claimed that he was not guilty by reason of insanity, which, honestly, I mean I could see a lot of sense, Like I could see that because this was all out of character for him. He was known to be a bit of an angry person, but like never violent, never running in between cars screaming someone's gonna kill me, hearing voices that someone's gonna kill me. Right, So in the whole trial, Pablo was acting strange. At one point he told the judge he was gonna cut his eyes off. Wow, yeah, which is like it's not a good look, not something you want to tell the Johne, No, not at all. Yeah, he was acting strange the whole time. The times he had to testify, he was talking so quietly and like incoherently that they had to like repeatedly tell him like repeat yourself, like say that again, and they just took him off the stand because he wasn't making any sense. I mean. So he had psychiatric evaluations done and somehow I mean, and maybe I don't know, he was determined to stand. He was fit to stand. Trial was determination the determination of those evaluations. And that doesn't mean he doesn't have, you know, psychiatric issues, which just means he's he can cent. Yeah, No, that's true. That's true. And they said he was not insane. He was, though, diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Again, people are diagnosed without the time and they don't do things like this. Yeah, but that was a diagnosis that he That's interesting, God, Mack, how do you explain the auditory like you know, host nations that he was having. Yeah, I don't know, yeah, exactly. So they said they decided at the time of the murder he understood what he did and that he did not suffer a psychotic break. They believed that he did this because he was jealous of Walter the friend and Pablo himself, you know, said he gave no explanation he did. He said he didn't remember anything. That was what he said. I mean, and that could be a lie, but that could also be from being in a psychond of break and not knowing what you're doing. So, I mean, I guess, like we'll never know exactly. Psychiatrists evaluated him. Thirteen of them announced him sane at the time of the murder. I mean, I guess if that's the Yeah, I don't. I mean, like, I'm I was shocked when I got to the end of this what happened, because I honestly thought they would have been, like he was not in the right state of mind because of how like just everything that happened up to Yeah, the murder is just I don't want to say insane, but like out of this like it just keeps on as yeah yeah, yeah. And so he was found guilty and he is still in prison, though he was allowed out of prison twice for three hours each time. During one of those times, he got married, Okay, so took advantage of his time out, like yeah, yeah, and that was in twenty eighteen. And Maria's family they believe that he knew what he was doing. They blame obviously, they blame him for all of this. They also feel like his outings and his marriage are like an insult to them and like Pablo is just laughing at them. It's what they have said, which I'm sure can feel that way, Yeah, because you know their daughter is not with them anymore. But yeah, that that is the case of And when you look this up, it shows up as Pablo e Loco I mean, which I mean, that's just what the case was called, I guess, but like, wow, yeah, I'd never heard of it. I just I wish that he would have been held when he was asking for it, because I feel like it could have been prevented. Yeah. Yeah, And I don't want to sound like I'm defent him too much, but I mean, it's it seems like there was a lot that could have been done to prevent this. Yeah. I also feel like while he was going through a mental break, because I no matter what, I feel like, people don't people in their right mind are not going to do this period. Yeah. I also feel like like there was a moment of clarity when he knew he was like derailing, and nobody took him seriously Ryan, and he was asking especially the medical professionals or whoever evaluated him. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a hard thing because I feel like people want to fit in like mental health issues and psychiatric issues and like mental breakdowns into this like black or white situation where you either were saying at that time or not for the purpose of you know, standing trial and whatever, you know, finding someone guilty and whatnot, and like those are all legal definitions that do not necessarily line up with what actually happens to someone when they're experiencing a mental health breakdown or whatever, you know, mental health issue they're having. I mean, just hearing all of it, it's very clear that he needed help, and he was asking for help, and he didn't get the help that he needed. And of course, a lot to say that people who are having that have mental breakdowns or have severe mental health illnesses harm other people. Like we know that's not the norm either, but I mean, I think this could have been prevented. And a lot of times when something so severe like that happens, obviously people want to find somebody, you know, the legal system is created it right, Yeah, you want to find someone to blame and you want to say, you know, dyne what they're doing, and you know all that, and it just it doesn't line up right, like the mental health crisis and the you know need need to find someone guilty. Yeah. I found this article on the long Reads somereddit from I think it was like the New York Times about postpartum depression and like the severe severe cases of postpartum depression. And they talked about I don't remember how old article was, so I can't I don't remember if any of its recent or not. But they talked about a mom who killed her baby because she was suffering from postprium depression. But the article is describing how like when someone is experiencing a mental health breakdown, like people think it's like a full blown breakdown, but they have moments of it's like clarity, a webbing, yeah, of clarity. So there's also episodes too, Yeah, like people go through episodes like it's not always their existence isn't always there. So they found her saying at the time of what she did because they're saying, oh, she knew to do it when her husband was gone. So they used that to say she was sane and knew what she was doing, but like it could have been like she just automatically knew the times he wasn't there, because I'm assuming she was a stay at home mom and he was working, and so everything I said I just repeated from the article. I'm not that smart. I just read it yesterday. I was fresh on my mind. I thought it was all you so no, but tell me, why, tell me why I was going to bring up Andrea yay? Oh yeah, they talk about her in that article. Yeah, because it just obviously he's not a woman going through postmartum depression and a psychotic breaks. But it's clearly some kind of mental breakdown. Like everything all of his actions, like you said, leading up to that's the murder. Like that's someone you know. It's just hard for me to believe that he made a plan to the woman. He got on stage, he was going to start yelling at everyone, he was, he planned to run two hours. He wasn't even mad at her at that point. He was yelling about somebody else, right, and then yeah, the running between the cars that he read somebody thinking somebody was like, that's delusion, that's probably like this is a breakdown, and this is someone that needed help, and you know, someone died because he didn't get the help that he needed. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, I was shocked in so many cases that I just didn't know anything about. Okay, well this brings us to the end of the episode. Hopefully you made it through that horrifying, horrifying case. And yeah, does do either of you have spooky recommendations? Okay, so my spooky recommendation is this book I just finished hours ago called Oh I sent it to you guys Mons Trilion. Oh why did I think it was Monso? No, it's too because that's the nickname of the little Monster thing. So it's about a couple whose child dies and then the mom and her grief cuts a piece of his lungout because he only had he was born with one lung and they knew the doctors told them that he was going to live along because of the one lung, and he lived on tony eleven. So then he died and then the mom cuts a piece of his lungout like to keep, and then she goes back to her hometown because the couple they can't they they don't make it. Yeah, they don't like, you know, get through the griefs together, like they can't, you know. So she leaves and then the housekeeper of her mom at her mom's house tells her this like folklore, like myth legend of from her bueblo, that her cousin or someone that she knew, there was this girl that was like well loved and beautiful and and she died right and then the cousin was jealous of her, and she cut her heart out after the girl died and was buried, and then started feeding the heart and watering it whatever, feeding it, and then the heart grew into this handsome man who became cousin's husband, and then they had a child together. But then the town people they were like, that was not your heart to keep whatever. They kill the cousin and the the family whatever. So that was the myth that she tells her the story. So then the mom starts feeding the lung and it grows into this little monster and they nickname it Monsterlio. So then it's like it's I would say it's horror adjacent. It's not straight up horror. It's more like gory because it's a monster that eats you know our CARDINIV Cardiver carnivorous monster. But it's so it's totally in a point of view, like for different point of views. The mom, the dad, their best friend, and then the monster himself wants to and who they call him, and I don't know. I mean, it's about grief, but it's also about there's some weird parts, like after the mom's point of view, it's the best friend and and they talk about and when I was leading reading reviews of people they didn't like that they talked about like the friends like Kinks, I guess. And then they also get into like the sex lives of the dad and then the little monster thing that into a human. He goes into a human human. So I don't know. I liked it abstract. Yeah, so that sounds like it's not straight up horror. People are calling it literary. I don't know what that means because I'm you know, I don't know, I don't remember that genre. It was interesting, it was interesting. I don't know if I reread it, but I liked it. It was pretty sure. It was a quick read unless I just have a lot of time to read because I've been reading at work and then I had that appointment that was far today. Well, you haven't been writing your ship. You're right, that's what I've been doing a lot of time. I haven't even started my next note, so right, what the hell I should have said that? So, yeah, I don't know. I recommend it. It was interesting, it was good. Okay, characters are queer too, Like, if you're into that, you know it's good to read about other queer queer representations. Yeah, that's cool, Okay, Okay, Well, I don't have any speaking recommendations. I'm so watching the Grassi when I have in the background of all my editing, because I have too much work right now, I've taken too many gigs, you can say. And in my little free time that I laid down right, girl Boss here, girl Boss, girl Boss, yes, girl Boss, girl Boss to Yeah. And then when I do have like thirty twenty minutes of free time, when I lay down with my children, I play Starty Valley. So that's all I've been doing. I haven't been watching anything. MJ. Do you have any oh my usual what's it called? Yes, I was trying to see if I can say it before MJ House the new season. It's pretty good. But it's like I feel, it feels if it does feel sometimes a little bit repetitive. But that's okay, because I oftentimes need to watch an episode twice to even like absorb the information. I can see that. Yeah, okay, Before we go, I do want to remind people that Carmen and I are going to be at the Paranormal Podcast and True Crime Festival in Denver July twelfth through July fourteenth. Get your tickets. Apparently we have a code you can use code a Spooky fifteen for fifteen percent off. I didn't know that, I just learned, So use that code when you get your tickets. We'll be there. I'll have some stickers, maybe I'll have more things. I'm not sure, maybe not. 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