Legends From Zacatecas and the Chihuahua Ripper

A little Bit of Dolo is a podcast about a little bit of everything for curious minds of all ages. I'm Christina and you can tune in every weekday to learn about things like Sinco de Mayo, Chihuahuas, lucha, and volcanos in Latin America. Episodes are bite sized, ten minutes long, and always Latin American related. Subscribe and follow a Little Bit That Dolo podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, everyone, this is Christina and this is MJ and Carmen and this is another episode of his Spooky Tells, the podcast for all things spoogee, hunted, places, myths, legends, sometimes to crime. Like today we're doing both a hunted no legends, legends, that's what we're doing, legends, and a true crime case that I had not heard about that I will be telling the both of you and our listeners. But first we have a oh, I guess it was legends from Sacatecas. That's what it is. That's what we're doing. Yeah, But first we do have a listener's story, which is Carmen's job now. So if you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email a Spooky tales at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of our socials. You can submit it on Discord. You can call the Spooky hotline. If it's super long, but you still really want us to hear it and for us to share it, then just message me. We'll work something out. We've done it before. So yeah, those are all the options. There's a lot of them. I mean, if you really like want to, you can even write us a letter because we do have a po box address that's in the show notes. How cute would that be? That would be insane. I would die, like on the spot, just because I would be so excited. Who does that anymore? Like writes letters? I know? I don't, Okay, So yeah, Carmen, do you want to read the listener's story? Okay, let's get into the listener story. This is from someone. Oh yeah, sorry, does it not show? No, it is, but I don't know if they want to use their name or not. Okay, yeah, we'll keep him mo anonymous. Then yeah, I'll use the nickname Maddie. Okay. So Maddie says, So, I've always been able to see those who aren't living from the age I can remember as early as five. It started when we first moved into my childhood home four blocks from a huge cemetery. Yikes. It was my parents and four siblings. I shared a room with my sister, who's two years older than me. But it started with just seen what looked like a tall mill with the very dark aura who would just watch me sleep outside my door. As weeks turn into months, it started to get worse. I'd wake up mid sleep and I'd look over to the door slash hallway area, and he would start to creep in. And the closer he got, no, the more fear overcame me. As he got even closer, it would seem as he was trying to talk, but all I'd hear was a very loud static noise, like when a TV goes flat like like that, like ficks. I don't know I'm doing it. You don't have to do it, You're right, my bad, but thanks for that effort, thank you, but very loud with the high pitched ring, similar to when someone flatlines, and my nose would bleed like a faucet. Oh my god, Oh my god, that's terrible. Yeah, these are not childhood memories that you want. No, now, not your typical five year old memories. I started to cry, and my sister woke up, frantic and confused. She carried me to my parents' store, put me down, and began begging my mom to open all while I was still just hearing this loud as a noise, but couldn't see him anymore. I ended up passing out from the noise. And that continued for months, the constant nose bleeds, seeing him most nights, till I finally told my capitalized Hispanic Catholic mom what I was seeing. She then prayed over the whole upstairs with blessed holy water she had from Mexico. Blessed that's the best at rite best hot water, holy water straight from these stores to Mexico, forget the Vatican, and it was blessed from a priest from Klima. She filled cups with holy water and left them in each corner of the upstairs as well, and the cups grew mold and the holy water seemed to have disappeared. Wow, that can't be good. That's She then got a priest to bless our house and it finally stopped. After that, I never had any bad encounters with the lost. Oh, that's good because that was horrifying. Yeah, that was scary, you know what I feel like. At least it wasn't like approaching her and trying to talk while going like, oh my god, that would have been extra extra creepy. Yeah, not that it wasn't creepy already, but wow. Well, if you want to go first, okay, yeah, I'll go first. So this first legend is not like spooky, but it's it's cute. Okay, okay, okay, I love a cute legend. I think it's cute. I never heard of it. And it's in Sacatecas, in the city of Sacatecas, and it's called Legenda de la More. Oh, it sounds cute, a ria, it sounds like it's going to be cute as fuck. It's so cute. This love story takes place in Miguel Ausas Square. The year was eighteen sixty, a few years after the Mexican American War. There used to be a man by the name of Juan, and he was a water carrier. I had a Google list, and water carriers were people who would collect water from a water source like a well and carry it to people's homes. Lit a water carrier, yeah, literally, literally, so he had no money to his name. He was poor. Juan, however, was in love with Aralia, a wealthy young woman, and due to his economic status, he would work day and night amor yes ze Ala Selenado or Ala Juan Gabrielle nothing. Every day he would work in the mine in hopes of finding a vein of silver to impress Alia. After many failed attempts, he was not discouraged, but instead became a water carrier. With his companion, a donkey. He began selling water definition of if he wanted to, he would, oh, my god, and I love it. I love it, and we love a donkey, and we do. I try to do the donkey I can. Oh my god, they're so unserious, I know. So Juan and his burrito went house to house selling water until they finally came up to Miguel Alsa Square. In the square, Alia had planted a small garden and a tree, so Juan would go to the square after work and water the garden and the tree. Legend has it that this tree was either an Alia paper rifer tree or a coralberry tree plant. I don't know, this is what they said. I googled it and I was like is it a plant? Is it a tree? I don't know. It grows really tall, that's all I know. He would spend every afternoon there and he was appreciated by the community. But most importantly, she didn't care about economic status or social status, so Juan and her became great friends. He would go home the happiest man in the world, feeling like the luckiest man in Zacatecas because he had Aralia's friendship. He would go home and recite the cheesiest poetry to his donkey, to the donkey, Oh my god, he was practicing. Yeah, he was practicing. He couldn't he couldn't tell her, but he would like, look at donkey, donkey, donkey, This is the pry I am. I mean, who hasn't held their animal hostage? Right? Like? They have no other option than to be there for you, exactly, and they have to listen. It reminds me of the TikTok or instagrams like and is like I was the donkey with with his cheesy ass. And as time passed, their friendship bloomed and they became closer. At this time, however, the French invasion had started. The French Yeah, and the French invasion brought a stranger to town. Philip I was trying to say in the Spanish, I can't pronounce whatever it's French. Even even though he was part of the enemy's army, he had won the hearts of the town folk. He was a heart throb. The girls in town loved. He was described as being humble and kind to everyone. After he met Olia, his connection to the towns people became even stronger. Felippe fell in love with her, and he confessed his love to her as well as told her he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her. Fucking Philip, I don't like this coming in here and ruining shit. He is colonizing Mexico Andia's heart m Araalia was really moved by the gesture, and she had also started to develop feelings for Philippe. Juan started noticing what was happening, and when he arrived at the square, he noticed that they were only focused on each other. Alia and Phelippe acted as if no one else existed. Ouralia was in love at this point with both Felippe and Juan, two very different men, but both just as equal and kind. She didn't know what to do, so she went to the church and prayed to the saints to help her make a decision. She, however, started crying uncontry rollably. She was distraught. She didn't want to make the choice, but she had to. She had to not only break her heart to some degree, but also had to break the heart of one of the people she cared for. She ran out of the church and went to her garden, and there she sat under the tree that she had planted, the tree that Juan had watered daily. She began to once again cry uncontrollably, and at that moment, the branches of the tree moved and water droplets fell from the tree onto her lap. The tree began to cry. Those tears turned into a beautiful bouquet, and she knew then and there who she had to pick. Who else was watering her lawn. I feel like it has to be Kuan. But I'm like, I'm tiam Quan already. I know it from the beginning, any care who was going to come into the picture. I was like, tiam Quana, is pick the Kuan? The only one for you? It was very unproblematic, not oh my god, finish the story. Sorry, go on, go on, We'll shut up. That afternoon, Juan was in the mines once again trying to find a vein of silver. When luck would have it, he successfully found one. Excited about the meaning of this, he rushed down to the square prepared with his speech, ready to ask Araya for her hand in marriage. When he arrived, he saw Araya. They locked eyes. He walks towards her, ready to ask her to marry him, but to his surprise, she didn't give him a chance to say anything. She kissed him. He was so surprised he forgot the speech and proposal. Soon after, the two were married, and the legend says that those who are committed to their relationship should go to the square and profess their love for each other under the tree. However, sadly the tree has since been cut down, but it's still a tradition for lovers to go to the square. Oh okay, that was the cutest thing ever. I loved this story. Yes it was. It was heartfelt and I was like, that's so cute. I mean it had everything. A donkey, a dunkey, sorry, a donkey, friends to lovers, love triangle, a magic tree, slow burn, a little bit colonization perilysm the French, but like, really, what did this story not have? Perfection out of ten highly recommend It was such a cute legend. I was like, oh my god, if I lived in that town, I would totally like do that? Is it like gross cute? Yes? But I am down for that. I love the cheese. Yeah, it's the cheesiness of it and that we got from the French. So this next story is called the Black Monolith of Death. Sounds scary put insert some done done so during the colonial During colonial Mexico, two friends, Missael Galan and Hildrado Igino, began exploring what is now the mountains of Sacatekas, and there were rumors that the mountains held riches that could make them money. Months passed exploring Sacatecas. On one day they found a cave that had a shiny black cube. They didn't know what it was, however, they assumed it was of great value. They had no idea who could have carved the stone in a way that it had straight edges. They dug it up from the ground and began hauling it back into town. Their plan was to break off pieces of the cube and sell it off News of their findings spread and the town prepared to receive them with a celebration. However, the days began to pass and there was no news of them. The town began to worry for them and sent a searge party. They were found at the entrance of the cave with signs of being attacked with a knife. Had they killed each other? Were they attacked, and if they were attacked, why did the attacker leave a black monolith. The townspeople loaded the bodies and the cube and hauled it into town. Days after the funeral, a merchant in town took in the stone. He killed his wife, then killed himself. The neighbors didn't understand what could have happened to cause the merchant to do this murder suicide. It was behavior that was uncharacteristic of the merchants. The townspeople noticed that there was a common denominator in both incidents, the black cube monoliths. One of the merchants neighbors believed that the cube was cursed by a shaman as revenge for the Spanish taking their lands. Another one thought that the cube came from the devil. The people decided they needed to get rid of the monolith. A group of villagers volunteered to return the cube. After many days, they did not return, so another search party was sent to look for the volunteers. They were worried that the cube caused more death. Their fears were confirmed. The party was found dead in similar conditions as the previous two incidents. They needed to get rid of this stone. It was causing deaths. They didn't know what to do, so they sought out the local priest, who blessed it. They moved the cube to a secret location. The location is unknown, but legend says that it was placed in the walls of the Sacatecas Cathedral. There was supposed to be a bell that rings if people get too close to where the monolith is. Oh to one like, so they don't like move it and it doesn't cause death again. Yeah, because they thought it was like cursed or like the devil himself like made it. I don't know. That was all cut off. I was like, what, okay, Yeah, my network is struggling over here, guys. Oh no, okay, we'll just announce in case MJ disappears. At least we got through the first part of the story. You're part of everything. I mean Okay, we're gonna take a quick ad break. Welcome to our Hunted break. 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Lorenzo Ernesto Olivas moved from Delicias, Chihuahua to the capital, Chihuahua City in northern Mexico. He was twenty one. He had started working at a meat processing facility. He moved with some family in Cologna Vista Mossa, and they this was close to his job, which is why he moved in with them. His hometown was like an hour away. You know. He was just a twenty one year old living in this neighborhood, making friends with like everyone there, working doing normal twenty one year old things. So there was one night, November thirteenth of that same year, which did I even write down the year? Okay? I was like, I remember you saying it. I didn't, that's why. So yeah, the fifteen was a year. So on that night he told his family that he was just going to go out and get some food. And it was already pretty late on Friday. But it's not weird because, like if you've been to a big city in Mexico, you can find a food vendor at any time. Like I remember ten pm, We're like, all right, let's go get tacos. Let's go some takitos. Yeah, yeah, mamosillos Takitos l Cuebes. It was like ten pm, Yeah, ten pm, and like literally we walked like lessoned ten blocks away. Yeah, it was like a eight minute walk at most. And yeah, there was and it was a full line. So it's not weird, Like you can't do that here. You can go to a fast food place, but you can't find food vendors at that hour, like in a random street in a normal city, and like where I'm from at least. Yeah, So he just told them he was going to go get something to eat, and they didn't. They were like, all right, that's fine, it's not weird or anything. And then he didn't come back that night. But again, it was Friday, it was the weekend. He was twenty one, so his family they still didn't think it was a big deal. They were like, well, maybe he went and meant the weekend with some friends, or maybe he even drove back to his hometown because it was again only an hour away, so they didn't get anything of it. But then Monday came around and he was still not back, and so this is when they were worried because it wasn't like him. It wasn't like him to miss work, to be gone the whole weekend and not come back. So this is when they reported him missing. Now this is November sixteenth. Now, sadly after they reported him missing and police began his search. The next day, on the seventeenth, he was found in pieces. Oh no, yeah, dismembered. So part of his remains were found in a ravine close to the family home in that same neighborhood, and this launched the official homicide investigation because obviously you don't get cut up into pieces if it's not a homicide. So because they began searching now in the same area, not far from this ravine, there was an abandoned house and in that house, it's on Gayes Novena isaavel. So on that house they found his torso and his head and then went straight over the street behind that one they found the rest of his remains stuffed in a tire. Yeah, horrible. And next to that tire there was the front half of a try like a kid's tricycle. Oh my god, I thought, say a kid's body part. I mean, all of this is just getting worse and worse, like every every sentence you speak gets worse. Yeah, every second that went on, it was like, oh my god. Yeah, so yeah, it was disturbing and strange at the same time. Both Other than that tricycle, there was no other clues that could lead them to the killer. They were just confused and they wouldn't know what happened to Lorenzo, why he was there, who the killer was. They wouldn't. This has takenother several months and more victims for them to finally piece together what happened. So one month after Lorenzo was discovered, on December thirteenth, there was another dismembered body in the same ravine, the same place, and this was Danielle Alfonso Rodriguez, who was twenty two and from the same neighborhood. Like Danielle and Lorenzo, they probably knew each other. They were probably friends one and twenty two, same neighborhood. So Danielle he was found in the same ravine. His feet were cut off at the knees and wrapped in a sheet. The rest of the body was stuffed in a truck tire just a few inches away. His skull had been crushed with the blunt object, and as if that was not enough, he had also been shot twice in the head and then there was the back half of that tricycle that was in Lorenzo's crime scene, that was at Danielle's crime scene. Oh that's weird. Yeah, it's it's disturbing. So this time there was more things left behind the crime scene by the killer. So they found things that were covered in blood. There was pieces of sheets and rags, rubber gloves, a wheelbarrow, a green hack saw, a pair of black shoes, the thing I already mentioned, the second half of the broken tricycle, and in id and the idea of course, had a name and a picture. It belonged to Andres ulisas Castillo bi ya Real. Because of the way that Danieg's body was found and where it was found, they immediately figured that this was the same person that had killed Lorenzo. So now they had a name for both victims. And so a little bit about andres ulisas castillobi ya Real. He was born in nineteen eighty. You know this neighborhood, this is where he had lived all of his life, and this was a very dangerous, impoverished neighborhood. He was a construction worker, but he was also really like in two drugs and he himself you know, in living in poverty as well. And he was also a small time drug dealer. He was known to be an angry person. He had been cut off from most of his family for that reason, for like having you know, violent outbursts, angry outbursts. So now that police knew who he was, they could find him, but he had apparently got on the run, so they could not find him even though they finally had his identity, and they were kind of like at a dead end with this until a miner came forward. And this miner really filled in a lot of them missing information how Danielle and Lorenzo, what they had to do with each other, Andres like he filled in the blanks for them. So this miner came forward. He also led them to a third victim, and this third victim was also dismembered. His name was Fernandez vas Gandaria. He was found in what was Andres's house and pieces again. And so this last discovery and the miner coming forward, it did eventually leave them to andress this capture, but not due to like good police work, it never is. What actually happened is that Andreas he was still like working his normal job, living his normal life, but like moving from house to house, still within the same neighborhood. He hadn't even gone far. So he was at work and his boss caught him at work trying to sell drugs to other employees, and so the boss called the police. The police picked him up, ran his fingerprints, and they matched the crime scene, the second crime scene, So that's why they connected the killings. Otherwise they didn't know that this person they had just arrested for selling drugs was the same person who had done this. Yeah, he was arrested, Brian to custody, and now there was a complete clear picture of what had happened, which is what we're going to go through next. And this is all terrible. This is even worse, So to skip this if you want not YouTube though. But so other night of November thirteenth, when Lorenzo left his house, he visited a restaurant bar not far from his house. It was called California, and it's a very small and crowded place, but it's like a deep place to be for Friday night. It's always crowded. He met Andres there and they had a few drinks. Andrea suggested that they go to his house and do drugs, and Lorenzo agreed, I mean he's twenty one, you know, I mean yeah, drugs alcohol like yeah, So they walked a couple blocks back to Andressa's place, where they had methamphetamines. They continued to drink. After a few minutes, for some unknown reason, they started to argue, and then Andres suddenly grabs a hammer and just started hitting Lorenzo in the head until Lorenzo passed out. He then proceeded to again, content warning, he proceeded to rape Lorenzo. When he was done, he grabbed the hammer again and he pounded Lorenzo's head until like it was completely crushed. Then he dragged Lorenzo's body to the shower, where he dismembered it with a hacksaw. It sounds like he's like experienced in this already, right, like he knew what to do, right, Like who knows what to Yeah? Well, first of all, like why does he have all these things? Why does he have a hacksaw? Well, he works in consumption. I was just gonna that was my second question. Well, his job was in I don't know, this is just wild, that's insane. Yeah, After he dismembered Lorenzo. Andres put on a new shirt and pants, and he went next door and he knocked and knocked and knocked until the door was opened. And by now it was midnight. I mean the neighbor he probably knew, Andres I don't know. He just opened the door and Andres asks this neighbor to come help him with something. He doesn't tell him what, And the neighbor agreed. And the neighbor is the miner who went forward to the boss. That is the neighbor. And he remains anonymous throughout all of this because he was a miner at the time. Yeah, so his name was never released or anything. So he agreed, but obviously he's very confused, he's very scared. He's like, what do you want? It's past midnight. Yeah. So when they got to Wan Dress's house, he told the miner like, hey, I have something for you to see in the bathroom. Yeah, and he showed him. You're like this, what a fucking what a creepyst thing to say? Yeah, like like show and tell, but discussing and horrifying. So he went and showed him. Lordenzo's dismembered remains. Oh, poor kid. Oh my god. Yeah, and I'm I don't know his exact age, but I'm i'm assuming teenager, m but like traumatizing, so traumatizing. Yeah. So the boy tried to run away, but Andres threatened him like, if you don't help me, then you're gonna be next. I've killed before. I'm a pro, I'm a serial killer. Like that's what he told him. I believe it that was not his first victim. I did too. So they took the torso on the head. They put it in a suitcase and then onto a wheelbarrow, which they then took to the ravine and then you know, stuffed it into an old tire. Then they put the tire next to some bushes and then somehow I don't know if this tricycle was already there, like in this ravine, dumped or whatever, but Andres grabbed it and put it next to the tire. When they were back in Andresa's house, Andreas was like, oh, I have another idea, and then he threatened the boy and told him that they were going to have sex unless he wanted to die. I knew it. I knew you were going to say that. Oh my god. Yeah, Like where else would this go with this depraved ass piece of shit? Has this kid not been traumatized enough, victimized enough? And still he does this like oh my god, yeah for real? And he told the miner like, Lorenzo, I killed him because he refused to have sex with me. So if you don't do this, and you're going to be next. So then when he was done, then he told the miner that they were now inseparable and he betrayed him, he would kill him literally again, more threats, and he repeated to him like I'm a serikiller. I kill for joy, and I'm good at it. I do a clean job at it. Then he forced the miner to clean the floor and the walls while he burned Lorenzo's ID cards and buried the rest of the body parts in the backyard. And then he painted the hacksaw that he had used to dismember him green because he was trying to cover any paint or any blood that was left behind. Then he packed up his things and left the rental home. But then I guess he didn't have like anywhere to go, because then he came back and threatened the boy again to like find him somewhere to stay because he needed somewhere to stay. So the boy took him to one of his friends, Hesu's Bias, and Andres asked if he could stay for a couple of days, and Hesus agreed, Oh my god. And he had no idea what was in store what he was let into his house, so he took him in. Hesus Bayez lived with his brother Fernando. And this is all one block away from where he killed Lorenzo. Yeah, this is all went straight away, like went straight over. And so Hesus Vayez lived with his brother Fernando because Hissu's had suffered a bad accident a couple of years back, so he lost both of his legs and Fernando happily supported him financially, helped his brother. This was no like even though it was hard for them to get by, he was there for his brother. He didn't resent his brother for it. He was like, I'm just I'm here to help. And they lived together. So during the early hours of December twelfth, Issu's, Fernando, Andres, and Danielle, they were all drinking at the house. Danielle and Andres started to argue and they in fight, and we know you know, from the rest of what we've been through here, Andres is violent as fuck. So he grabbed a rock and he smashed Daniette's head in repeatedly, like until he killed them in front of everyone. Yeah, in front of everyone. Oh wow, and Andres he threatened to kill everyone who remained there, so the miner and the two brothers if they said anything. But the next day, Fernando he was like, no, this is super fucked up, we need to say something. He confronted Andres, and he asked him to leave their house, like he didn't want him there anymore, understandably, so he just murdered someone in their house and their friend. Yeah. This however, made Andres very angry. He went and grabbed a hammer and attacked Fernando repeatedly in the head and the same thing, same thing as everyone else, until he died. And then he served his body into a cooler under some floor tiles, and then he covered the area with cement and placed a drawer on top of it. And this is again in front of that other miner who he had already abused. His sus wasn't home for this. We don't know where he went, but he was gone he came back to the house and he started asking like, well, where's my brother. And Andres told him that he left, he abandoned him. He didn't want to take care of anymore. He would never do that, Yeah, he would, he would not. But Andres or sorry Hissus believed Andres for some reason. But I mean, I would imagine he's maybe already in a vulnerable spot, thinking like, my brother doesn't want what to be taken care of me, So like maybe maybe it wasn't hard for him to believe. But no, I mean, Andres had killed him, and Andres had murdered Fernando in front of that same miner. After this happened, it's when the miner went to the police, and so, you know, told them everything that happened, and this information came to light and so, and you know, eventually a leading to Andres's arrest. When Andres was in custody, police learned that these three were not his only crimes. He had a long history of inviting men to drink to drugs with him, and then he would be them until they were unconscious and then he would rape them. But at some point it was like he hit them too far until they were dead, and so that's when he started killing. So it was the person before Lorenz. So he was going to do the normal thing he always did, bring them back to his house to drugs rape them, but instead he killed this person who remains anonymous to this day. His name is not released. And so that was not his only victim. He was experienced with dismembering with the hacks. Ang like he knew what he was doing, and he would leave their body parts in abandoned houses or empty lots in that same neighborhood. Half the time, he didn't even bother burying them. He just left them there. Wow. And apparently he always left some kind of toy or car or like that tricycle at the scene. That's weird. It's yeah, it's very disturbing. He later told police that he did it because he was violated as a child and that's why he left toys behind. It just sounds like some bullshit he made made it. Yeah. Yeah, So Andres was eventually linked to twelve bodies. They just like matched them. He didn't admit like he was guilty of all of these, but they matched the exact mom of the three that you know were for sure him they had toys around them. They were dismembered. So October tewod two thousand nine, Jose Manuel Chavira Olivas. He was found with the bash skull and then his legs were dismembered. Three years after that, April third, twenty twelve, Gustavo Adrian Saldanas. He was found dismembered. Two years after that, two more bodies were found that are unidentified but the same mom May eighth, twenty fifteen Gillermo Juarez Portigo. His body was found with a blunt force trauma to the head and again dismembered. August third, twenty fifteen, Gabriel Garcia et Nandez. His body was found in the same situation as the the rest of them. August seventh, twenty fifteen, Miguel Angel Castillo. He was found again same mo. Then on September sixth fifteen, Jose Urias Ernandez. He was found under some rocks in a warehouse. And then after that then we have Lorenzo Ernesto Olivas, Danielle Fonso Rodriguez, and Fernando Bayes. And Andres was tried and found guilty for there are three murders because there was enough evidence to link back to Andres. Plus he had confessed to the three and there was a witness, the boy, and so yeah, he was found guilty. He's serving a one hundred twenty year sentence and this came to be known as El this guert Sador Squirti, the Squertis de Chijuawa or the Chijuawa Rapper in English. Well, that was awful. That was terrible. You know what this reminds me of? There might be a delay. By the way, guys, Sorry, did you guys hear the case that just came out where I think this guy had the bodies of six women in his apartment in Mexico. I don't know if it was in Mexico, but I just remember that he had like six women women's bodies in his apartment, and he went to the neighbor's house, who was a miner. He raped her, then killed her, and he walked out of the apartment. And the mom she was coming home and saw this guy coming out of her apartment, and you know, she's like, what the fuck are you doing there? Like my daughter's like, you know there, and then he ends up slashing the mom's throat. The mom survives, She calls the police or whatever, and you know, sadly the daughter didn't survive, but the mom did and they go into this guy's apartment and it's like bodies of women. Wow. I didn't hear about it. It was a teenager that he killed, right, and then sliced the mother. I just saw that like this week, and I was like, that is horrible. But it goes back to the thing where like men who hate women and disgusting. I don't remember where it was because I just remember hearing it like a TikTok about it, but they didn't say Mexico or anything. Mexico City, his Ulisa's lada. Oh wow, I just found it his name and yeah, six remains including schools, found in his apartment in Mexico City. Mm hmm. It's horrible. Wow. But I want to know how like people didn't question the smell. I'm telling you, if there was a dead body in on Crater where we used to live in Modesto, I wouldn't have known. I wouldn't have smelled bad. Yeah. I don't know, like areas where there's like sewage, but I feel like sewage smells different than a rotten corpse because rotten corpse has a very distance. I mean I never smell the running corps. I just know like they have bad I had a oh my god, what is that? The thing's exploratorium. I don't know if you guys ever want there, but it's in San Francisco. It's like that science museum. I've been there, but I don't. They have this rotting rat corpse there, like so you can smell what what the smell of rot smells like. It is very distinct, like you you know, so you would know, you would know like it is. It is to me worse than sewage almost. I think it's it's a very distinct smell and it smells like have you like okay, like this is gonna sound terrible. And I'm and also as someone who worked in the veterinary field, you know when when something is meat and it's rotting, it has a very distinct smell because it because like it's immediate gag. Like it's like immediate throw up. Like sewage you can kind of be like, oh the smells, but with rotting meat, it's like immediate vomiting. It smells so bad, you know what I think it could be since these were like impoverished areas that were like dangerous are rad there's probably like a culture of not reporting anything to the authorities and to the police, and so probably like neighbors among themselves like what the fuck is that smell? But they didn't like report it to anyone kinda Yeah, you know what this reminded me of was actually Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. You know, where people smell things. Yeah, but they were like, because for me, if I smell meat, it's immedia throw up. When you smell rotted meat, Oh my god, it smells it's it's a punch to the sensus. No, it probably goes back to what Carmen was saying, where they maybe they smelled it. But also I know for the one, not the apartment guy, but this guy that we just covered, it was abandoned places, so there was already not people walking through there and see that what I understand, because you'd be like, oh, it's a rotting like it's a dead cat or a dead dog or some shit. But like, right, if you smelled it, if you live in an apartment and you smelled that, oh I'd be I'd be so pissed. I'm like, how are you gonna make the entire apartment complex like shit worse than shit? Yeah? Yeah, no, that's true. I mean I feel like maybe somehow it was confined to his apartment or he I know, I did read some of them were like down to bones. So what he did maybe like he had him somewhere, let him raw and then and brought him Yeah exactly. Yeah, you never know with these depraved as people or like some kind of fridge type stuff. I don't know, but yeah, yeah, because in California, there's another case in San Diego. A marine of course, know how to say that. No, it was a sailor. It was a navy, shady guy, so my bad. Yeah, I take it back, Marines. I'm sorry a little bit. So I joke. I joke. I was in the army, So that's okay. Anyway, before anyone leaves me like a one star review for Hidden on Marines. But no, this guy had killed his wife and he put her in a freezer for two years and there was no smell with that. Well yeah, because it's in the freezer. Yeah. And then and then he was just gonna move and he like threw her into a body of water where she washed up obviously, and that's how more investigating by her name was Elizabeth Rix. I want to say, there's actually an episode of true Scary Story where someone lived in that same neighborhood and they said it was haunted and they were see things and they think and they didn't even know that that was like the actual case. They just heard about it from living there. So if anyone wants to check that out a true scare story, it's like the Thing at the Stairs or something. That's the name of the episode. Very creepy though, but yeah, like sometimes you just don't know and like who these people around you are either so very I don't know. Like there's two stories. Sorry, there's that story of that high ranking officer I think here in California that was caught being a pedophile. Did you see that, the one vaguely a California officer that was military. The officer is no, no, no, no no no. He was in the he's a high ranking military actually not officer official, and he was caught trying to in in in a sting operation, trying to uh meet up with this mom. I don't think the mom ever existed, but the he contacted this quote unquote mom probably like an agent pretending to be a mom and was trying to get like by her children. And the video was circulating where the the the what is it called the camp the camera that they have the police officers have. My brain went blank, bodycare the body camp where they catch him. He takes out a gun and he starts shooting at the officers and then the officers just completely just unload on him. But he was a high ranking official. And then they go in like this whole like scrutiny of the United States military and the men who do well, Okay, we have a whole episode on oh yeah women in the military. So yeah, I mean like so with like children obviously, because like women obviously if women are victims children and then which was disgusting but not to be sound like a total psycho, but the video was satisfying because I hate people who I hate. I hate, Like there's like this thing like I will never ever not hate a child Abezier, like ever, like they get they're like the only people that I think deserve all the hate in the world. Maybe some other ones, but mostly them because like children. But anyways, there's that one and then there's the other story where the father there was this guy and his family were going on vacation and during I think that, you know how you put the luggage in the X ray, they found bullets and it was enough bullets for his whole family, and he got arrested. Oh, and they're like asking to bring him back because he was arrested in another country, Like you dumb, he was gonna kill you. Yeah. Yeah, they made it sound like it was like a tiny like one one bullet m when they reported these headlines and like this country, you can't even you can't even wear camouflage clothing because it's illegal. Yeah, but but it's like you really think that they magically appeared in a suitcase like that and also happened to be the number of bullets he would need for his entire family, Like come on, be real, very suspicious. Yeah, And they're trying to compare it to the basketball player who was arrest detained in Russia. I'm like doing, she had drugs, not weapons, bullets, And it's like she's ingesting it into herself. She was not gonna hurt, Like there's there's nothing that she had on her that would have hurt somebody else. She was not gonna murder her whole family exactly. And then like the wife was all crying, like girl, they just these people just saved your life, Like be so serious you were gonna die, like he was gonna kill and your children, Like are you stupid? It was like what would I say with people like are you stupid? Or are you dumb? Well, maybe there's a history of control and violence there. True, and we know that domestic violence is very complex and it takes woman victims people, you know, several attempts and not only attempts, but it takes them time years sometimes to realize that you know, there's you know, being abused and controlled. So that's a good point, Karen, always being the voice of reason. You do what I can whenever we're being complete psychos. He's facing like six years in jail. I think a lot and not but I think that the mom should really like maybe this will be like an eye opening experience. Maybe she'll have some time, you know now that her maybe allegedly now that her brain has time to to reconfigure, you know, you know, like when you when you're in survival mode, you don't notice like things right like you know, as they say, your lid is flipped. Yeah, hopefully she'll notice, like I guess maybe like how calm it is and she's not always anxious, and that'll be on it because because yes, it could be a coincidence, but the percentage of that I think is really low. I think he was planning on hurting his family. That's my opinion. Yeah, like it makes sense, like it wouldn't be shocking at all, It wouldn't surprise anyone. Yeah no, yeah, not at all. Okay, we're gonna take a quick at break. Okay, well we have reached the end of our episode. Do either of you have any speaky recommendation. I think there's a new season of Paranormal Cotton Camera. I'm not entirely sure, but it's either already out or gonna come out. Yeah, either one. Because I remember a listener messaged me and I was like, oh, MJ will be so excited for this. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna like go check that out. Like once we're done, I'm gonna clean and watch, well cook and watch paranormal co on camera. Nice, I have one. I have it right here. Oh yeah, I forgot. We bought that. Yeah, oh, you bought it too. I keep forgetting you also bought it. Yeah, well, a book with short stories, and there's a short story for each Lotteria like character. So that means there's fifty four short stories in this book Loteria by Cynthia. And I don't I don't really, I don't read short stories that much, but I like them like anthology. Yeah, yeah, I don't like dislike them. I just don't often reach for them. But I do have like a few other short story like books in my collection. Yeah, I didn't think of the word. And yeah, so I mean I've only I'm in chapter eleven, which I mean, it's not really chapters, because right, they're all separate. You're in. Yeah, I'm in the eleventh story of this skyscraper book now. And anyway, the second short story is based on the character. But it's about doing this and it is so scary, I feel like so far, and that is like the most one dude. If you yeah, it'll terrify you. I have no strong feelings about doing this, and now I strongly dislike them and afraid of them. I've been telling y'all, they're fucking creepy. They scare the ship out of me, like I can't even watch a picture without freaking out, Like no, yeah, well this story would like yeah, it was scary. Also send us you're doing this story is so we can have another one the episode and scare me or don't know or don't I do actually do so. Yeah, I recommend this book, Okay, I can't wait to read it. I do not have any spooky recommendations because I have had no free time and when I do, because I should be doing other things, but I'm putting them off. I've been playing Starry Valley and I started putting de Grossi in the background. Oh my god. I've been seeing a lot of digressing content lately for whatever reason, and it keeps popping up on my TikTok. So I was like, okay, fine, I'll rewatch the Grassy. Don't force me it just it reminds me of how much I love Manny. She was my favorite person ever in the show, and it didn't matter what she did. I am a Manny apologist just like. It's because I thought she was a Latina for the long time, so I was like, my Latina queen, she's a Latina adjacent. Did you watch the grassy I did not. Okay, so no idea, but if you see Manny you'll be like, yes, yeah, if you see Manny you would agree. Yeah. Also, I hated it. God, what Emma is her name? Emma is a bitch, right, Emma's the fucking word Page. No, actually, Liberty grew on me. Yeah, No, Page is fine. She was the one with Craig for the longest time, and then with Drake after Jimmy Ashley. Jimmy Ashley. I didn't like it. Yeah, she was fucking annoying. Okay, okay, And then I was gonna say one more thing. There's a movie I've been wanting to watch called Where Evil Lurks. It's on Hulu now, so I will probably check that out. And that might be my sweaky recommendation. Other than that, our book Club episode right now is the scienda, So you know, read that so that you can be ready for whenever we finish it, which might be a while, you never know. That's why it's the Speak Tells book Club for busy people. And yeah, others than not, I think those are the only updates, all right. In that case, I don't know, take the level of your life over to that cute little plaza. I was gonna say the same thing. I love it, and yeah, stay a spooky We'll catch everyone next time. Bye Bye. Spooky Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ, produced and edited by Christina. Everything is written and researched by Christina MJ and with the help of Don Shout Out Don. Thank you so much for your help. If you love what you hear, consider living us a five star review. If you don't, then do not leave us anything please. If you want short spooky stories, follow us on TikTok at spooky Taels. You can also find some of the same videos posted on Instagram and that is at spooky Taels. 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