Mexican Pilot Possessed by Aliens and the Case of Maria Soledad Morales

Hi, This is Christina and Carmen, and this is another episode of a bookito a podcaster, All Things Spoogy True crime in Latin America. And today we have one infuriating two crime case from Agricantina and a UFO case from Mexico. Yes. Also, if you're watching on video, Carmen and I were supposed to get these matching sweaters. Yeah. I thought you were gonna wait until I got mine to wear yours. I told you I ran out of Christmas waters to wear. Oh I don't remember U seeing that at all. Maybe you didn't hear me. When did you tell me like I said it a few minutes ago? Oh? Oh, okay. Side note, before we get into the listener story and everything else, my brain is like a there's like a warrant side my brain right now. What. Yeah, there's like two songs that are just like fighting to see which one stays stuck in my head. First one. Of course, because you're sure, of course, and then the next one just the part of Lefty on the Kendrick Lamar song where he says, oh, spooky, scary, hilarious. He just sent us to the spooky toees or to the spooky chat. He sent us a video of that. Yeah, just that again and again just spooky scary hilarious. Yeah. So yeah, it's like one second and then spooky scary hilarious. I'm like, well that's kind of us, and then spooky scary hilarious. So yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, perfect. I want to make stickers and send those out that just say spooky scary hilarious. That would be fun. Okay, well I will do it now you should yeah, yes, yes, okay, all right, now that we've gotten that out of the way. Uh the listener story, Uh, this one is short and it was sent to us via voicemail like two years ago, and I forgot about it. Wow too, I forgot to check. Yeah, I forgot to check the website. How cut this? Yeah, the website has a leave of voicemailting, and a lot of times there's like people try to leave it and it's just a few seconds and then there's no sound. So I'm like, whatever, don't I never check them, But I found that among the all those voicemails that are like empty voicemails, I found it. Sorry before all that, if you want to send a story to us, you can call the spooky hotline the numbers on the show notes. You can email a spokitosa gmail dot com. You can dm us on Instagram. It's the best way if you're going to dm. You can also send a voice now, like a recorded one via email attached that that's to spokatosa gmail dot com. Again, all that's in the show notes. There's a lot of ways to get it to us. We love receiving them, so yeah, please send them in. Okay, Carmen, are you ready? I'm ready. All right, let's hit one to three and then hip play. Okay, Hi, Christina and MJ. So this is my mom's ufour of me story from Mexico. It was late seventies. She was driving back with my dad and my two siblings late at night. So they were driving by this little like somewhere in Mexico, and she she looked out the window and she saw a sphere hovering over the water and then just saw it take off and just disappear in the sky at night. So she told me she stole it to me a couple of times, and every time I ask her, it's always the same thing. So I'm gonna go with it's pretty legit. So that's my story. Enjoy, take care bye. Okay. Yeah, short and sweet but effective, you know. Yeah, and on dem for today. Yes, I was excited when I found it because I was like, wow, that's perfect. But yeah, like just a classic little UFO sighting. There's so many of them where they're like, oh, something came out of the water and then it went back in. Like also all those like drone drone sightings. All over the US. Yeah, if I had to put my conspiracy hat like tinfoil on, I would say, it's like the government just getting a surveillance on every valance. But yeah, because we live in a state surveillance like right, you know, so that but you know, other people are like, oh it's UFOs And MJ is keeping us up today on everything because she's like, well they said this and this, Yeah, but she said that they there's a lot of settings of them coming out of the water really and then that's where I'm like, oh, that's a little odd. Now I don't know, but that's what that story also re memory of all the weird drone sightings going on right now. Interesting times we're living in. Yeah, to say the least, to say the least, unpresentity. Oh my god, I got precedented. Yeah, but that they're really precedented honestly. Yeah. Oh, should I get into it then? Yeah, let's hear the UFO story. Okay. So Raphael Patrico Perees was an inspiring pilot, always a pilot, but that changed forever after the events of June twenty first, nineteen seventy six. He was a bright and dedicated student. His instructors had no doubt in his skills. He was known as one of the best students in his class, always on time and very responsible. It was his first practice solo flight. Before this, his only experience was flying with another pilot from Mexico City to Juanaquato. He took off from Las Cuela de Vacion, Mexico on an xp zox plane. This solo flight was not scheduled to be as long. He was supposed to go from the Mexico City airport to the Las Pistas the chiml Uacan, these empty fields by Lake Dexcoco. He was supposed to just go there and practice landing. The weather wasn't ideal. It was more cloudy than usual, but this was less than an hour flight, so it wasn't a big deal. He took off like normal. When he got to nine hundred feet in the air. Not long after takeoff, his plane disappeared from all radars. He never arrived in chiman Wakan. No one had seen him. Guat what I like, nightmare for seldom flying. Yeah. If I was like I would quit right then and there. Right. So everyone was confused, and that confusion grew when an hour later Perez finally resurfaced Ale three hours away in Acapulco. Quant Wow. The issue was that this training plane wasn't made to travel that far. It had enough fuel for the trip to chiman Wakan, not three hours away. The other issue, he was three hours away, but only one hour had gone by. Yeah, he traveled at that sweet of light. Well, yeah, that's pretty you know quick. No, but that's weird. Yeah. He also didn't have the experience to make it over the giant mountains on that flight path. And if that wasn't weird enough, things got even weirder. The radio tower asked Rafael to identify himself, and he replied asking for a private channel to talk to them. When they gave him the new channel, they asked him again to identify himself and what his location was. Dafaiel replied, he is speaking because he is ordered to do so. Oh, this is his voice. He is speaking, but not of his own free will. Yes, we are using him as a microphone. We don't matter much, nor where we come from nor where we're going. Just know that we are beings from this universe to which you belong. Our planet is many light years away. But I'll repeat that before it becomes confusing. We are physically the same as you. I repeat that all races in the universe are physically the same. What the fuck? Who the fuck is want? Excuse me? Okay, okay, that's a no. Wow. It also said that they had always been here and that compared to them, humans were primitive, that they were watching humanity from the skies. God, is that you? That they were watching humanity from the skies, and that humanity had to change or an irreversible global catastrophe would occur. I sense there have been various irreversible global catastrophes since their message here. Because this was the nineteen seventies, maybe they sent us COVID. Thanks a lot, Thank you, aliens. They also said they meant no harm to the pilot and that when he woke up, he would not remember how he ended up here or anything having to do with them. The air traffic controller asked, if they were so advanced, why were they speaking Spanish? A double take there, Excuse me, what's he saying? Spanish is not advanced? That's what it sounds like. I don't know. I don't know. That sounded like an insult. Yeah, a little nagging, derogatory, derogatory question mark. So then the beings replied that they could speak any language. Then the air traffic controller, who happened to be trilingual, started speaking German, then English, and the Aliens, speaking through Raphael, replied in both languages. Raphael himself only spoke Spanish. No, that's that makes it all like, yeah, so much more real. Then it said, you're not alone in the universe, and there are other races that we are keeping away from you, but we are watching you keeping away from us. We are the dangerous ones. Apparently probably i't believe it because we're so dumb. Yeah, and then the transmission ended at eleven twenty nine am. So then we have the alleged recording. Wow, why does it sound like that? It's like robotic, like, well, most us we are using him, they're aliens. How do you expect them to sound You're right, you think if they were just like us, so they were just like speaking of a Yeah, so maybe they're not so out evans. I don't know, because they sound like robots. Maybe because they can speak any language just being like translated in their heads and they sound like robots. Oh something like okay, yeah. Wow. Another pilot who had been given the number of the same channel, contacted Mexico City and asked if they were missing a pilot because if they were, he was down here in Acapulco. Then the frequency changed and it was him again, calling out help. Amrafael Pacheco Perez, student eighty two from the Aviation School of Mexico City, whoever is out there, please reply. He said this a few more times, but his voice sounded very different. Air traffic control called back to him, asking him where he was freaked out, He said he didn't know. He was seven thousand feet in the air and he could only see water. Oh my god, I was scary. That is so scary. And he's he's a learning solo flight. He's a student. Literally his first time on his own wow, wow wow. Air traffic control told him to find any piece of land until he saw some buildings. Finally, Rafael found somewhere to land. He noticed that he had zero fuel. Well, because you went to a Caapulco. Well, because he was three hours away. When he landed at the Acapulco airport, he asked, where am I? How did it land on the ground? They told him, well, if you don't know, and you were the one flying, we know even. Less, we don't know. Fool, what do you mean? They're like. Menos, right, that's probably what they told them, like those exact words, menos. He was arrested because you can't just fly randomly. Apparently this is a thing I didn't know. No, no, no, there's like laws of the air that means tracassic. Oh okay, obviously I think catch that. Sometimes it's just like flies over my head. I guess you're dumb. What do you mean so mean to me? I'm just kidding. But obviously there's laws in the air. Otherwise there wouldn't be airports. Everyone would just fly. You're right, my bad. So he was arrested and they were investigating this like it was a hijacking. Because you can't just fly randomly. They look through the plane. Everything looked normal. One person said it was full on fuel, but someone else verified it was empty. It was interrogated and screened for any type of intoxication. He was found in perfect health and no drugs or alcohol in his system. He declared that he took off at a twenty five like normal and planned it was a regular flight for him. Not far as he flew toward Chimanwakan, suddenly the controls on the plane felt difficult to navigate, as if something else was in charge, not him. The plane kept going up and then suddenly went into a cloud. Suddenly he couldn't see anything, and he felt super drowsy and he fell asleep. When he woke up, he was begging for help on the radio. Seven thousand feet in the air over the Acapulco Ocean. So he yeah, he really didn't remember. They said he wouldn't. Oh yeah wow. After the investigation, he was let go and sent back to Mexico City on a bus. They said you can't fly back. Yeah, Like, this is it, man, this is it, buddy. A different pilot was set to fly the plane back to Mexico City. When he was released, reporters would not leave him alone. Rafael was unable to answer their questions. He didn't know how he got to a caprico. Rafael Patico Perez claimed that the aliens that possessed him were evil. They ruined his career and he never piloted a plane again. Oh and that's it. Wow, damn da Fien. That's sad for him. He was like such a good student pilot too. Yeah, and we're going to take a little ad break here and we'll be back with my very infuriating story but also a little inspiring. But very infuriating. Man me and mean, Christmas is around the corner, and I still have to shop for everyone. But you know one thing I don't have to do. What's that? Think about dinner? Because HelloFresh has my back, noise. I love it because it makes meal time manageable, and it saves me so much time looking for recipes, thinking about what I'm going to make, and then having to go grocery shopping. I don't even do that anymore. I just get my meal sent right to. Me to my door. Every HelloFresh recipe includes high quality, sustained sourced ingredients. Produce that comes fresh from the farm. Everyone gets yummy food. I save time and it's just so much better. 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Sorry, where is San Fernando de Vaya? The Kata Marca in Argentina. Oh, I did not hear you say that. I'm pretty sure I said it. Well, if I didn't say it, it is an Argentina okay. I also said at the top that this was a case from Argentina. That's news to me. Wow, that's this shows how much attention you pay to me. That's how much attention you pay. That's right. No, I don't okayan mean to me. You forget how sensitive you are. I'm just kidding. Mama sent you ran So you want, okay, back to this horn, to this case, yes, okay. So. Maria Solada was born on September twelve, nineteen seventy two, in Kata Marca, Argentina. She was the second daughter of seven kids, big family. Her parents were Ada Risardo and Yes Morales. And even though it was a big family, they were okay. They were like middle lower class, so like doing okay, but like not rich. Right. Her dad was a government worker and her mom was a stay at home or homemaker, and at the time she was seventeen, she was attending El Colejol Garmen Isan Jose, a Catholic school. Her parents described her as very sweet, very respectful, but timid, very caring about others. She was a good student, but not exceptional. That's what her mom said, keeping it real, keeping it real. Yeah, but she always like tried hard. She even if she wasn't like, you know, top four point zero student, like, she tried her best. She loved to write poems, songs, played her guitar, and everyone that knew her described her as a lovely girl. They lived in a modest house in the outskirts of Katamarca, and like I said, they weren't rich, but they had what they needed. At the time of when all this happened, her dad was on disability from the Highway Department is where he worked, the Highway Department of Katamarica. And she wanted to study architecture and she was doing it well enough to like go to school, have plans for college, Like she knew what she wanted to do. She had plans. You know. She was not the kind of girl to go out every weekend, but on September seventh, she asked her parents if she could go out to dance because her friends were going out. Her parents said it was okay. She had also asked permission to stay with her friend that night, so like not come home, and yeah, they said it was fine, Like she had already done this a few times, not a lot, because she didn't go out that much. So yeah, she said bye to her mom, got into the car with her dad, who dropped her off at the bus stop, and that was the last time they both saw her alive. When she didn't return that night, her parents were a little worried, but not panicked because again she had asked permission to not come home that night and they knew she wasn't coming home. But then another day went by and still nothing. She wasn't back. That's when they started to become concerned. That Saturday afternoon, her mom was washing the dishes, and as she was washing the dishes, she thought she hurt Maria Soda crying but she wasn't home. She ran outside cause she's like, maybe she's outside. But no one was there. Later, it would be confirmed that the same time that Madia so Dad's mom heard her crying or thought she heard her crying, was the time of her time of death. Wow, like she believes she heard her daughter's Honestly, I believe it too. She heard her daughter's voice as she was dying. Oh my god, I mean I believe it too, because you hear about stuff like that all the time. Yeah, Like remember that other case, Reyna Marroquine I think was her last name, and she was a Salvadoran immigrant who was killed in New York. Yeah, and her mom kept having dreams. Yeah, her stuck somewhere without even knowing like what happened. Like things like this for sure happen. So yeah, our mom one hundred percent. Our mom told I don't know if you were there or she told you whatever, but she told me a similar story. But it wasn't like a murder or anything. But it was someone who died like of an illness and their family member either like saw like saw them walk by or you know like how people talk about that kind of like it was like that. And then like right after she got the call that she had passed or something like that. Yeah, no percent believe it. So, but you know, when her mom heard this, they still didn't know what happened. So the search for Maria continued, semi search. It was a small town in a small police department. Yeah. Then on Monday, September tenth, she was found on a roadside ditch by some construction workers, so not the police, just people that were on that road. She was pretty close to her house seven kilometers away is where this road was, or like highway type thing. When they found her, she was dressed in only a black sweater. She was in terrible shape. Is where I would say tugger warning because this is bad. Her jaw was broken, one of her ears had been cut off, her left eye socket was smashed in, her chest was covered in cigarette works. God, and there were signs of sexual assault, that she had been raped. Wow. And it left everyone wondering, like who could do such a horrible thing? Yeah, in this little tiny town, Like oh yeah, and maybe everyone knew each other or of each other, right, wow, exactly, And they had never seen anything like this, like no one like this was new to them. They called her dad to the scene and he was able to identify her by a small scar on her wrists because everything she was not recognizable because again her eye had been smashed in. Oh my god. Then things kind of like take a little turn here at the scene where they found her, it was like not secure at all. Like one neighbor remembers that he was able to just walk up and he's like, if I can just walk up, everyone could just walk up. Like nobody secured the scene, you know when you're supposed to like but the line do not cross. Nobody did that. They didn't collect any evidence from where they found her. And then the police chief had just like announced or had just like ordered someone to just bag her up, like, oh, just bag her up, don't like collect anything, don't take pictures, don't do a proper investigation of this scene here. And then at the morgue he ordered her to be like washed off like with like hoses like rints. Is this like the first like murder he ever encountered or what don't they like have training for this or shouldn't they Like well, but isn't it also like common sense so like like oh, this course, these are not natural injuries. Something happened. Let me I don't know, at least take pictures so it's documented, Like I feel like that's common sense. Yeah, when you know got out of who this was or they knew she was missing, like and it's a small town, people talk fast. So people said that there was a group of young men who were seeing with her last like lasting with her. Among those young men was the son of the police chief. Wait what so you know, word gets out fast that she was missing. People were already talking that the people who were last seeing with her was a group of young men. Among those young men was the police chief son. Wow. So I nowed with that piece of information. Now it's like, Okay, he's he's hiding things on purpose. He's messing with the investigation because his son is involved allegedly. Right. Wow, So he ordered for her just to be picked up. He had her win stuff with hoses. This created outrage already, like right away, because again people talk, people knew that he had done this. They did do a semi like investigation, so they didn't autopsy, They did a drug screening. They found out that she had been injected with a lethal dose of cocaine, and so they had announced the cause of death was a heart attack caused by the cocaine that was injected into her. And yeah, like I said, you know, if you're thinking, why would he just like not investigate Yeah, like dude, Yeah, I feel like being a parent like that is no excuse to try, Like you shouldn't try to cover everything your kids do they do something wrong, you need to hold him accountable like that is such shitty all around, like to your kid, no wonder, he's so such a horrible person to be able to do something like that, and it just causes he's been getting away with things like this obviously. Yeah yeah, wow, yeah, disgusting very so yeah, like I said, he the police chief was the father of one of the young men lasting with her that night. But what happened that night that was like they were still trying to find out. Mary Lean Barilla, a close friend of Mariceella's, was one of the first to testify or to give her account of the night. So all the girls they were part of this event where they were like collecting tickets at the at a club. The club was called lefel Roge, and so they were taking tickets for people to enter this club. So mary Lean and Maricella were at the door doing this. But before they got there, when they were all getting ready to go, all the girls attended the same school. They were a group of friends. So as they were getting ready to go to lefo Roge, while they were getting ready to go out. Maria had told all the girls that she was in love, that she had a boyfriend. This was like news, so then they didn't know. And so she was telling them about her boyfriend, who ended up being a man that was twelve years older than her. Oh no, his name was Louis Doula, and he also happened to be married, which she did not know at first. He was parading around the town like he was single, but now he was very married. So she told them all all of this, right, and so then they go out to Lefo Roge and marie Lene and Maricella were working the door. Around three am. For some reason, the power went out, like nobody knows why, and marie Lene went inside, leaving Maria solely that by herself up by the door. It's kind of weird to me that these are high schoolers, right or no, they're seventeen, So it wasn't clear to me if this is because the college colegio. But I don't know if it's a high school and this is their senior year or if it's like after the first year. Yeah, okay, I guess we don't that part because things could work a little bit differently. But right, picturing it like in our school, which I'm sure it's not the same. I'm sure they already like probably already graduated from like high school, and they're like in their first year of college, is my guess, because otherwise, if this was a high school organizing this event, it seems inappropriate. So I doubt that's the case. Yeah, that's what I was thinking after because I'm like, why was she Why would they be taking tickets at a dance club if they're in high school, Like, it doesn't make sense to me, but that's what they were doing. So at three am, the power in the club went out, and Marie Len went inside to see what was going on, leaving Maria sold out there by herself. When Marie Lene came back outside at the door, Maria solidad was gone, and so then they started to piece together what else happened. So other witnesses saw Maria's boyfriend Louis Doula pull up in his four Falcon while Marie Lene was inside. Then they saw them, you know, chat for a few minutes, and then people saw Maria go inside Louis Doula's car and they went to a different club called Clivus Clevis Kleivus. At this club, people saw Louis Doula introduce Maria Solada to a group like his friends, including Guillermo Luke, son of a National congressman, Pablo I Diego Khalil, one of the nephew of the Intendent Superintendent in Gata Marca, Jose Falil, another one of the family members of that family, ad Nold Dito Saldi, cousin of the governor of Kata Marca and member of the very powerful Sadi family in Argentina and Katamarca. And then Miga Languel Ferreira, son of the police chief. Okay, I was wondering who the son was. I'm like, is it But I'm like no, you've already said if it was Louise, right, No, Mega Langel Ferreira, Yeah, is the son of the police chief. But all these other people, including Luis Tula the boyfriend, are all sons of powerful people. I have so many questions right now, but I feel like you're going to answer them, so I will save them or should them, and then you don't answer them, you just keep going. Okay, So first before my questions, let me bring back I don't know if Louis is going to end up doing something bad or not. But he's dating a seventeen year old and he's twelve years old than her, So even if he doesn't do anything violent to her, trash. Also, this brings back my theory that there are no good Louises out there. I forgot about every Louise, even overall he's like decent. There's something wrong with every Louise I know. I have never met a good Louise. Go to my father. Yeah, so perfect. If you're Louise. If your name is Louise and you're mad, I'm sorry. Be better for your namesakes out there, for your what is it when you have the same name? Yeah, yeah, for your Tokyo's out there? Do better. Police and my questions are okay, like who was involved? Was it a group thing that they attacked her? Was it only the son that you said, Miguel, all right, that's the son of the police chief. Yes, the son of the police chief. What the fuck? That was really my only question? If they we're all involved, okay, yeah, that will be answered, y god, I'm not ready. So so yeah, these were the people seeing with her that people saw them right at this club. Oh, my god. Then sorry, I don't I don't want to sound I hope this doesn't sound like I'm victim blaming. But why would you get in a car with the bunch of men? Like, right, if she went to the club with her boyfriend, that first club of her own will, but he was the only in the car, Yeah, when they went to the other club. But then after that, you'll see why oka why, I'm just like, so, is there anything scarier out there than a car full of men? I don't think seen, you know, even at this age, actually, like at any age. Yeah. Yeah, So she was last seen getting in the car with these men, and rumors started spraying it around town, and everybody knew they had powerful connections. They were they started calling them the powers. So three different people testified, and I keep saying testified, but these are like statements to the police. They told police. Yeah, but that's like longer. So three different. People told police. Yeah, three different people told police that they saw Maria walking to the car with these men. A separate woman also told the police that she was the one who had introduced mad and Louis Tula, confirming the relationship did exist, because you know, you know, they were going to try and lie about it, like she wanted to be my girlfriend, but I didn't allow it because I'm married. Oh my god, I forgot he was married. Yes, yeah, yeah he is. So this was a separate woman confirming the relationship because you know, she told the friends about it. But the friends can confirm it because they hadn't met up or anything, right, right, But this woman can. So you know, she told the police that. And then mary Lean's boyfriend the back from club lefar Roge, he saw them leaving in the car together and was hege yes, appropriately aged, proper boyfriend. He of mary Lean's. He saw her get in the car with Lis Tula, and he saw a jeep behind them, and in that jeep was four men, probably these these full names. Yeah yeah. Then radio conductor was driving early early on the tenth like a dawn on route thirty eight. He saw a police officer and several people on the road and he in a natural cheese muscle out of his car to ask what was going on, but the officer like waved him away, like, hey, no, there was an accident here, don't come here. But then when he left, it looked like they were being sketchy to him, but he said, whatever, it was natural cheese muscle would know if someone was trying to hide something. So yes, praise the chief cancles out there. She's most yes, and so he got back in his car. He left. But then, like you know, a few hours later, news broke out that she was found on that road and he's like, wait a minute, that's where they told me there was a car accident. Why do they tell me car accident? Why we were and they were there before she was found by the construction workers. Oh my god, this just gets worse and worse. Yeah, so obviously something was being hidden and he starketching like yeah, like, hey, well I actually saw them they found her before they found her, Like police were already aware, wow, before the construction workers reported her finding her, So that already didn't add up. So then after all this, police came out with our version of events of what happened to her. Police Chief Ferreira stated that Marielada had been walking on Route thirty eight when she was attacked by some random men. And then he said, yeah, then he said, let this be a lesson to parents. Fuck you. Wow. Yeah, and he this is a direct quote here I asked that they have more control over their children. They should know who their friends are. They should know when they're going out and not allow them to drift. This is fundamental for children's safety. I cannot believe that he was blaming her parents when his son he was covering up for his son. Wow. So yeah, he blamed her parents for her death, knowing that he was hiding something that his son was one of the named people that were lasting with her. Wow. Then they tried after this didn't work, they tried to blame Luis Tulas's wife or her death what like, Oh, she was a jealous wife and she killed the side piece. But nobody believed they're gone because on top of everything was people who saw them that they all those young men, right, and everyone knew the names of the young men involved. And so that's when Sister Marta Peoni, a nun in charge of the school that Maria attended, she also everyone was hearing these rumors, including her, and she would now stand for it. She started telling everyone that there were powerful people involved in Maria's death and that they were trying to cover it up. Yes, sister, yes, sister right. And then on September fourteenth, she better not be led. Okay, no, no, no, I thought they were going to are no no, Well you never know. So on September fourteenth, Sister Peoni led seven hundred of her students from the school all the way to the central plaza of Katamarca, next to the government house and the cathedral, and they stood there demanding justice. Love it, love it. Yes. At the same time, Maria's friends were going to different radio stations demanding justice, saying that thing was being hidden, including the radio conductor from earlier who will agreed like yeah, he was like, come come on. Come, please, come on at this time. Wow. Yeah. Then the following Thursday, Sister Peoni led another march, this time four thousand people marched with the students, including Maria's parents, all demanding justice. The next week, seven thousand people marched, and this continued. The following week, fifteen thousand people marched, after that twenty thousand, and then all over at Quentina, in different cities, thousands of people were marching demanding justice for Maria Solida. That's amazing because you know what, Yes, this happened to Maria Solda, but this happens all over to so many girls and women in children, sometimes men, but not usually, you know, and they could no longer be ignored. People started calling out not only demanding justice for Maria Solada, but they started calling out the people in power. Yes, yes, and that's what I was getting at with my comment. This is one yeah, case, one victim, one you know, girl, but it speaks to such larger issues like everything you just said before I start talking right now, nobody, you're right, you're right. Yeah. And so they started calling out the Sadis for nepotism and corruption because they were this big political family that like kept it among themselves. I'm picturing it. Yeah. Yeah. They called for the police chief to resign. Uh, they said the whole system was corrupt. Everybody's going to go on top of demanding justice for Maria. So sister Peoni told reporters that she felt that Maria Morales saved Katamarca from corruption, like she saved democracy for the town. Wow, because this is when now when people were also calling out everything else. Yeah. By the end of October, the governor, Governor Sadi was tired of the marches and he called for a March of truth. The Margins part of the government. Yeah, only a few thousand showed up, if that, that's been generous. The following Thursday, after he did that, the following march for Mariasolda drew thirty thousand people. Wow. And these marches for her were marches of silence, So there were no banners, no slogans, just the sound of thousands and thousands of people all walking to the government offices. They stopped in front of the cathedral and then there they had speakers where then they took turns like demanding for justice or like people leading in prayer. Wow. And that's just like so like medicine, like just like everybody walking. Yeah, you know why they're walking, but they don't even they don't need to say need to say it. Yeah. Wow. Powerful. Yeah. Even Buenos Aidas was sending reporters to cover the marches in Katamarca every Thursday night. This was the only thing on the new was like in every single channel in the country. It literally got to the point it couldn't be ignored. That January nineteen ninety one, the President of Argentina, Carlos Menem, sent a team of investigators to Katamarka. Wow. Judge Hossel, Louis Bentimiglia and Deputy Inspector Louis Pati signed note. Louis Pati was later arrested for like torture of a criminal. He just really wanted to get the criminals in whatever way, and. That's not right either. But at the time he was a very famous officer known to be like tough on crime, and they they said he was like champion of the victim and a misfortune for criminals. But yeah, later, years later he would be arrested and in jail for his own issues. And then Judge Jose he lived through the right wing military dictatorship and they were he received death threats because he was always there to send up for human rights. I love it, I love it. Yeah, so this is that he received. Of course, No, of course he didn't need to explain. No, you know, we got it. This was the all star duo team that they were setting to katamarca dynamic duo. Yeah, there you go, that's the word I was looking for. And they got to work right away immediately. One of the first things they did was arrest the police chief for the suspicion of carenap crime. Good. Then they started questioning all those named by the different witnesses, the sons of power, right, they started bringing them all in. They ordered like all of them, like at least twenty people to not leave town because they were being questioned. They were actually investigating. They were even arresting people that were not connected to Mariosoathan's burder. Okay, because the town was like there was a lot of corruption going on. So there was a different woman named they came that clean up the streets. That yeah, wow, that's what they were doing. So Jonana Garcia was known as Tiaoli and she ran the town's brothel with her husband, and they were known to do a lot of like illegal, shady things, and they just arrested her. The charge was like she was being held for questioning, that's it. And this was just to show people like there were no more untouchables in Gata Marca. And as they brought people in for questioning, they were able to piece together what happened that night. So on the night of the seventh mariasole Lad was part of that dance with her school that were at Lefa Roge. But unlike when she told her parents, her plan was not to spend the night with her friend, but to spend the night with Louis Dula, her boyfriend. Which teams teens do this, Yeah, and of course it does not mean they should be killed, no, of course. And so she left before this event was over, because around three to three thirty am, Louise Doula arrived to pick her up. When she was picked up, there was a gep behind him in his car, so that she was full of all the other names we've already said. Then the two cars went to Club Klibus, where then she was officially introduced to the people in the gep those names that I've already said, and they're like, I got a scroll up, so I'm not gonna do it. So then they were seen leaving the club all together, and as she was walking out, bartender said that the men were groping her as she was walking out, and she looked so out of it and Dezzy, oh my god. So at this point they pieced together she had already been drugged with something, so she didn't leave of her own will with all these men. She was completely out of it. Wow. Then they took her to Los Alamos, an empty set of buildings not that far and they all took turns abusing her. Oh my god, I cannot believe the discustingness of this all. Yeah, despite this testimony, only two men were charged. Diermo Luke was charged with premeditated murder and Louis Dula was charged with participating. I guess maybe there wasn't enough probably yeah, yeah, yeah, but evidence for all the rest of the men, yeah, including the son of the police chief. So only Louis Doudat a boyfriend, and then Guiheromuluke, the son of a congressman, I think it's what he was, they were charged. So Guietomluca was charged with premeditated murder and then Louis Dula was charged with participating. But he wasn't the one who committed the murder, just participated the trial. It took some time for it to get going, but in nineteen ninety six is when the first trial took place, because yes, there was more than one. During this first trial, all the witnesses, the people who gave their statement to the police that had previously stated they saw Marianne with these men, they all took back their statements. What yeah, And then one former classmate of theirs tried to accuse them of something I don't even remember, like it was something so non trivial, but she was trying to say they were like guilty of something. And then Sister Paionni was like, how dare you? She was trying to say who was guilty of something? Sorry, Madias friends, Oh wow, and Sister Paioni, Oh wow, what the hell? Yeah? And then Sister Pagoni was like like, only God knows what you're doing right now, and I hope that you're like ashamed of yourself, like that you could be doing something so evil right now lying because it wasn't true, like she was just trying to like incriminate them now for nothing. And so they had lost you know, the testimony, earlier statements from people, and it was clear this this trial was a mess, like people it just wasn't like people were lying now at the stand taking back and it's like, are they being bribed? What's going on? Probably they're being bribed. So this trial was suspended. Then a new trial was called and it took time because then they had to find people that weren't like personally involved and then got the marka that was just was not possible. Everybody knew each other, so they had to find new a new jury. I almost forgot the word jury. Oh okay, I was like, what do you mean, like new people that. Yeah. He hadn't said yeah, jury jury, he just said people what new people? Yeah, and a new judge as well. Okay. And so then the second trial took place in nineteen ninety seven, and this one, oh sorry, the last one was also being filmed and aired on TV. I forgot to say that this time, this one was not being filmed because it was just causing too much problems. And now this time the bartender at the second club did come forward and give a testimony about what he saw, finally incriminating both men. Good and so Guillermo Luke was sentenced to twenty seven years in prison for Maria Solivad's rape and murder, and then Louis Doula was sentenced to nine years in prison for his involvement in the rape and murder. This happened in nineteen eighty eight because the trial was that long. Also from Guillermo Guillermo Luke, the newspaper La Nacion reported that he was freed into twenty ten after serving two thirds of a sentence for gould be Wow and at the time of his release in twenty ten, he still maintained his innocence. During a press conference, he said the following, I'm an innocent man who was in prison even though people saw him and back to jail. Yeah, Louis Doula. He was freed in two dozen and three and he only served five years of his nine year sentence. During those three years, he trained to become a lawyer while in prison, and so he became a lawyer. He was able to become a lawyer even with that history, apparently. Wow. And both of them still live in Gatamarca, although sat down. In June twenty nineteen, Louis Dulas's ex wife accused him of domestic violence and that he tried to stab her twenty five year old son. Shocking, right, Like, I'm not surprised. He never responded to any of that, but I mean, I believe her, believe her. Yeah, she was granted a restraining order against him in twenty nineteen. And yeah, both men still live in Katama, so does the Medias's family, her mother and her siblings. Her father did pass away in two thousand and six. I was fathering. Oh that's yeah, But yeah, the rest of them still have to like see each other around Cata America, which is wild to me. Wow. And the rest of the men were never charged. That is horrible. Like I'm glad some two of the men were somewhat held accountable, but yeah, not really right. Yeah, and her mom, her siblings, friends, they are still like, you know, demanding justice for everyone else involved in the crimea that never received any charges. And there's actually a new Netflix documentary called Breaking the Silence the Madias Old Case, and it's all her friends being interviewed about media and about that night. I watched like half an hour of it, but I was writting out of time because I was writing all these and I did all my research, and then I was like, oh my god, there's yeah, and the first half I watched it, like it was like the same information. But it's like it's always to me, goot to watch these because then you get to see her friends talking about her and how like there's footage of her playing her guitar. Yeah, she was a whole person with the whole life before her life was taken by these horrible men. Yeah, And so I didn't watch it for research. I watched it just so I can get more because since yeah, like I said, see the real person. Yeah, and yeah it is. It is very emotional, even just the first thirty minutes that I watched. When I watch it, I highly recommend that as well. But yeah, that was the case of Maria. That was Yeah, that was rough. That's infuriating, very very It's just like when you thought it couldn't get worse, it it did. Yeah, when you thought the corruption was over, it wasn't. Yeah. But yeah, well take another little outbreak here and then we'll come back with speaky recommendations. All right, and we're back with spooky recommendations. Do you have any you want to go first? I actually don't have any. I haven't really I haven't been watching anything scary. I've been watching Queer Eye and reruns of the Office now that I have Peacock again, and also sat Saint Denis Medical. I started watching that. How do you like it? I like it. I think it's funny. I love that actor ever since I saw him on Cherry Do Duty. Yeah, er, yeah, yeah, he's so funny. I was like, oh, I love him too. He's not like playing the same character, but the same vibe because he's like I don't know what because he says that he's from a highly religious community and all this stuff. So yeah, I like it that a lot of the actors from Superstore are in it. Yeah. I just got to the episode with the about the mean nurses, and I was like so happy to see I forgot his name, but you know who I'm talking about. Yes, I love Mattel from Superstore. Yeah. The Filipino Mafia. Yeah. Yeah. No, that I've been like in the show. I've been watching every new episode as it comes out. Besides that, I listened to another audiobook about Christmas or Christmas Eve, one, like a Christmas brom com one. And then I just finished Christmas rom com type book too, So that's where my mind has been at. And dairy Christmas. Yeah, and then I started listening to an audiobook. I feel like it's related to like what we talk about here, because we talk about like, uh, these crime stories where people live and experience like difficult lives and their abuse and things like that. So I start I'm not done yet, but I started listening to It's a memoir. But I'm really it's weird to say I'm enjoying it because you know, they're talking about hard things. But I am enjoying it. I don't know how what else? How else is described that you were going to st Yeah, I don't know how to say. How YO say. It's called That Bird Has My Wings by Jarvis J. Masters and it's about a man who is a death row inmate and he's largely believed to be innocent, and it's like his you know, his memoir. I don't know when it came out, but okay, that sounds fascinating. Yeah, so it just that thirty two. I want to read it all because I'm probably gona talk like the whole description of it, synopsis, whatever, because I'm probably gonna talk about it once I actually finish it. Okay, Yeah, I guess I'll just end it there. But I'm enjoying it so far. Okay, I have a whole or my hold came through on the Bee for the Reformatory by Tan Aviev. Do I think I have that on my tag that's to be read? But I remember if I have it the audiobook tagged or the ebook. Oh yeah, I'm listening to the audiobook and I'm only a little bit like twenty percent in, so I'm I'm just I'm just saying that I started reading it, but I haven't finished it, but so far it's it's just like a tough read. And it seems that the scariest thing is where he sent a reformatory school for black boys. It reminds me, I sort of like, sorry to cut you off, but it remind me of the one you talked about last time by Victor Laval where they go to the Devil and the something. I forget what it's called. But that's exactly what I was gonna say. Oh, okay, so sorry, just being me to it, no worries. So yeah, I just started reading that. I don't I'm sure I'm gonna like it, but I just you know, but I do have a speaker recommendation. I, as everyone knows, have been a little bit obsessed with zombies this year. Yeah, since October. And there's a show, a limited release series on Netflix. It's there for a year. It's called The Happiness. It's a K drama. So you know, if you like dramas, this is one of the best out there right now. But if you don't like K dramas, you don't like reading some titles, you're weird or you know, too tired, whatever, eating you can't there's things you can't do. That's my problem because I watch you go down to see what you're eating, clear in your mouth, right, So I mostly watched it while I was laying down instead of sleeping, like I was just looking ah, so that was. The only thing to look at. But it's such a twist on the like normal zombie, it's so different and also just you know, I love a social commentary horror, and so there is commentary on being rich and like privilege. Okay, yeah, So just like a brief synopsis without spoilers unless you want the carmen olcome to you. But so they are in the spar like it's the main characters are police officers. One is a part of like this terrorist unit or whatever, and the other one is like a detective. And she there are BFFs, and she wants an apartment in this building where police officers get to stay on the fifth floor if they have enough points, and she doesn't have enough points, but then she marries her bff and that's when they have enough points and they move in. But then when they move in, basically the outbreak happens and the building is quarantined, and so you get to see how they're dealing with this inside this building where the first five floors of the building are like basically public housing, and then the rest of the floors are all the very rich, rich people who I can afford this very expensive a permanent building. Interesting. Yeah, and the way the outbreak happens very unique. The way the zombies are also very unique. And on top of that, it's also like a murder mystery. Okay, that actually sounds really good. It is. It is so fine the space and time to devote my attention to this. I don't know why I said it, Like I don't know why you said it either, but I like it. But yeah, that is my speaker recommendation. Wow. So yeah, I don't know. I guess it's just that last episode before Christmas. It is, I think so, because this is the nineteen Yeah it is Okay, Well in that case, at least I me that's for those who celebrate that fairly. See that tell me why I forgot the words I was gonna sing with it. I almost forgot it. Do you remember when we were in and we had the Christmas show and then you lip synced the beginning of all I want is you by wait that's not yeah, And I was like to put in everything to it that performance. Oh yeah, Oh she was so serious. She was like, because you know the beginning, it's just a music. So she was just like and I I was mad first of all because my class did just a group thing and I didn't have any attention, you know, to shine or whatever. I was lucky, not loky. I was jealous. I was. I know you were yeah wow, and yeah I remember Christina like practicing. She would like, They're like dramatically looked to one side. I had to, Yeah, I had to dramatically walk around stage and look and look sad. And then that was my only part in the beginning. She did so, and then yeah, it was it was fun. I loved it. It cemented my love for attention. Yeah, nobody, nobody did. And then our cousin, our little cousin that also went to school, he remember his classing the fore Listna with that song, and that's what started this whole. I forgot about them. Yeah that's how that happened. Okay, yeah, I was wondering how you so, speaking of attention, I went to go get my nails done. Right, and the Nell girls were playing Jersey Shore like from the beginning, and I remember watching Jersey Shore, but I don't remember, like, I don't remember any of it. And in the first couple episodes, Snooky wants to leave because she's like and I used to being treated like this. I used to be in the attention everywhere I go, and I need to leave here because I don't know how to deal with it. That would be us. It was funny. It was funny. It's funny. Yeah, And my nail girl would like tell me like, oh, put your nails, like, you know, the little thing. And then I'm like distracted to watching the show because so wow, it really caught my attention. But I did because I like to take my kindle to finish books too. But and I did manage to finish the book that I was reading, the Christmas Wooky and while watching also the show, so it's better for my brain. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of stimulation there, Yeah, just a perfect amount. I was just dying. That's Niky Snooks. And then we were it was just funny because we're like, wow, we forgot how much of a bitch this person was and it was just funny. Yeah, I might. I don't know if I want to rewatch it, but it was funny. Sometimes I do when I come across TikTok clips. Yeah, especially what's it call Ron? And uh god was it Sammy Sammy? Yeah, Sammy sweetheart? Oh and her voice grading wow? Yeah. Yeah. I actually haven't got anything Jersey Shore on my TikTok. Oh I did for a while and then it went away. Maybe I'll come back now that I'm talking about it and not coming back, but you know, now that you said it, yes are the words? Yeah? Yeah, speaking of TikTok before we go. I also saw this We're mutuals on TikTok. I forgot her name though, Jaywichie, I think it's her name. She's a teacher, but she posts a lot of different kind of stuff. But she posted her latest video that was like, I didn't realize that being from California you have an accent until someone tells you, like I think it's a defining experience for all Californians where you're not in California anymore, and then someone tells you, oh, I love your accent, and then you're like, what accent? But you do have an accent, Like it's the California accent. I just feel like it's different though, because you know, different ethnicities have different accents, you know, so I always yeah, I was gonna say Latina accent, yeah, because it is different. I just feel like I have a Latina accent, you know what. No, that's what it is. It's a California like Latina accent. It's like very specific too, because even I thought they meant different Californians, like I don't know, like, oh, California also has an accent, right, oh yeah, No, we're speaking to like the Hispanic your time. My bad, My bad. I didn't even in her video she's she was also Latina and so she was it's the same thing. But like everyone can tell immediately, like no matter if someone hears you speak, like you get clocked like you're from California, aren't you? And I'm like yeah, like even people listening to the podcast and we haven't said it more before, really, are you guys from California? And I'm like, yeah, no, way, a hundred percent. If I had a Nickel for every message, I would have like twenty Nichols. Like I just like I feel I don't maybe I don't leave California and love enough. That's why I never get told you're from cal I. Only do you're just around me? So yeah yeah, but yeah, even even in the army, it was like immediately people were like you're from California. Huh And I'm like, yeah, you know what, actually, yeah, you're right because I remember and when you said huh, it was like yeah like that no, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah when you say when you would say huh after every sentence, like to see like if someone agrees with you, yes, yes, And also like immediately the way you say l A like we all say it with an E in front. I don't know how else you. Want to say it though, what do you mean? But like like that's what one of the comments said, Oh interesting, and I'm like what do you mean. I don't know how other people say it, but like it's very like you can tell who's Mexican. Oh. I went to LA like yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. You yeah got me, you have gotten me? Like yeah, But that was like a fun video to just come across because I was like, no, it is for sure, one hundred percent thing. And I remember even at work like here not in Portland. When I was working there, people would be like, I love your accent, and I'm like, what accent? And then I'm like, oh, wait, no, it is there, it is. You know what. The reason I don't hear it because I'm still hearing California and everyone sounds like everything. Everyone sounds like that. Yeah you're right, Yeah right, you're right. So yeah, that was just a very fun little thing I came across. So yeah, all right, I guess we can end the episode here. We've yapped, just yapping now. Now we're just yapping. My bad. See the episode is over. Yes for those whose Helibray and everyone else, Happy holidays. Also for you too. No, we're gonna have another episode before. Yeah, I'm like, happy New Year. The year's not over. Yeah, no, it's not all right. 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