Mexican True Crime Cases That Inspired Horror Movies

Hi everyone, This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of a Spooky Tale see podcast for All Things Spooky. Sometimes also true crime like right now, in the past several episodes, several weeks. Yeah, what came of that poll that you did? What did the people like? I did a poll on Instagram to ask what people thought of this new format, the one paranormal case and one true crime case. And yeah, at first it was fifty to fifteen. I was like, this is not helpful. It was yeah, exactly fifty to fifty, and then it widened the gap. But in the end more people love true crimes and parormal case. Okay, I will say, if you don't like the true crime portion, just skip that part, you know, just yeah, yeah, it's okay, you're allowed to. Sometimes it's difficult to find a paramal case that's long enough, like one long case. So that's why once in a while we'll throw in another, like a true crime case, because yeah, we're running out, you know, long cases. What about the folklore? Is that all covered? Is it done now? No? We can always find more in different cities or countries. There's never there's always more stories that we haven't done. I just haven't been in super super research mode. I guess I don't know. Okay, that's what I missed. Yeah, you know what, we'll do that, we'll do that. Let us know what country you want us to focus on the folk or of that country that we haven't done. You know, we've done a lot of us, a lot of Mexico. We've done some South South American countries. Where was the hat guy from the hat Guy? Oh Guatemala? Ahah, Yeah, that was Guatemala. But I'm sure there's places we haven't done. So yeah, let us know. Obviously we'll look for something to but yeah, there's definitely folklore out there that we haven't done, and yeah, it's been a while since we've focused on that. Those are always fun. Even individual Mexican cities will have a bunch of stories. So like you know how we did Guadalajara. Oh yeah, that was fun. Yeah. Yeah, so maybe we'll do that next episode, you know what, not, maybe let's do it. Actually, we might already have a topic soon, just soon for next episode. Yeah, no, no, scratch that. I will put the folklore first and then we'll do the cult because you know what, it's been a lot of back to Extra Crime. I do like cults though, so I know me too. I love them. It sounds bad, I love learning about them. There, thank you, Yeah, I do, I do. Before we get to today's topic, I guess I should let everyone out. Today we are talking about Latin American cases that inspired horror movies, and we have one story from La Manoplua. But before we get into that, we do have a listener story. And if you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email Speaky Tales at gmail dot com. You can say they're no discord. We have a new discord link that actually works, so you should be able to click on the show notes that it'll take you there. And that's one option. You can always dm me Spoaky Tales. I'm the one who runs all the social media, so it'll be me you talk to, so you can dm us me whatever on Instagram. Yeah, all of those are options. Okay, So now I have this listener story. Are you ready? I'm ready? All right? So I don't know if they want her to stay anonymous, I will keep them anonymous. And I'm also pretty sure I haven't read it. Okay, I was five months pregnant with my son at nineteen years old and lived in a little two bedroom apartment with my then fiance. We had just gotten a kitten we named the Zodiac. I always felt watched in that apartment. One night, I was getting up to go to the bathroom for the fiftieth time, because that's the choice of pregnancy through that. It was probably around two am. The master bedroom was in the top left of the room, and I slept in the bed basically the bottom right of the master bedroom. Okay, we'll get in a little layout here. That always helps paint the picture doesn't help me because I have no concept of You're right, I don't know. I don't either. For those who can imagine this, I'm sure it helps. Hopefully you pictured it. I didn't. I couldn't. I tried, but I couldn't. On my way back to my side of the bed, I heard deep, weird growling. It terrified me. I was staring at the direction for a minute, and there was nothing. I ran and jumped in bed the end corner of my side of the bed, sunk down just a bit. Oh God, now that I understood, Yeah right, I screamed and woke up My then fiance. Now ex husband. He said it was probably Zodiac. The problem was that Zodiac had been sleeping by my pillow the entire time. Then he said it was probably just me having a realistic dream. I doubt myself all the time, but I remember the fear I had, and the growl towards me, and then the pressure on the bed. I had never saved the place so much in my life, and said any prayer I could find on expelling evil presences. I don't know what happened that night, but it never happened again. Besides still having the feeling of being watched in that bedroom. It was such a creepy feeling. I slept with the bathroom light on for the remaining four months I lived there. I wish I had got to get a priest involved, but I was not. Nineteen and an abusive relationship. Lots of issues in my life. If anyone has thoughts, I'm always open to them. My first thought was a hellhound. I never really know what I believe in though, Wow, I have no thoughts. Just scary, just how scary? Yeah that's your only thought? Yeah, I would. I mean the growling definitely makes me think something more, something worse than a ghost, Like, what sinister? Yeah, I'm sinister, thank you. I was like, what is a word? I'm looking for something evil because I'm like, a ghost is already scary, but growling no, yeah, and they're not really known for growling, so that was something else. Yeah, but you know what, glad you're out of that situation and away from that apartment. Yeah, that's scary for sure, for sure. And yeah, and thanks for sending that in. All right, do you want to kick our episode off now, Carmen? After you were done yawning? Am I borring? You know? No, I'm just I was so excited watching the Usher performance and now I'm tired. When it came out on skates, oh my god, I was like, oh no, Usher, please don't fall. He's a pro. Apparently I didn't know this. Yeah. I started seeing his skating videos during the pandemic on like twenty twenty. You know how everyone was skating. Oh I did? I had no idea. Wow, yeah that's cool. Sometimes I want to start skating, but I'm like, no, never mind, I I cannot. I was telling my husband I was like, I wish I could skate like that, and he just laughed, damn. And I was like, you should skate like that, because you know how the guy either one or like a couple guys slid on their heads like the break Nazi move, but on skates. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. I was like, wow, okay, okay, onto our case. Enough about Usher, just one more thing. I loved all of it. I'm never gonna shut up about Usher. Every time one of his guests came out, I was like screaming. He was our first CD. He was my first crush, my first everything. Yeah. Our only poster in our shared room was Usher, Yeah, from Confessions. So yeah, of course we were over the moon about this performance. But no, when, yeah, when everyone started came and I was like, oh my god, it's little John and I was like, oh my god, it's ludicrous, Like yeah, yeah, it was amazing, the highlight of today, my year so far, I think, yeah, yeah, it was. It was amazing. Okay, now I think I got enough fund of it, or enough you got it out of your system? Yeah for now? Yeah, Okay, on with this paranormal case. All right, So you and MJ have talked about nowalas before, but just in case anyone needs a reminder, a nowle is a shape shifting sorcerer, a brujo who gained the ability to do this, to shape shift by doing something truly evil or by making a pact with the devil. Of course, before colonization, they were not inherently evil. It was a shaman that had this ability, and they were usually protectors of nature and animals when they were beings that kept the balance of the world safe. But now they're evil and they're to be feared Nowile's stories are mostly heard in Mexico, though almost every culture has a similar belief. Are they called Newalas everywhere else too? Or do do you know what they're called like in other places here in the US? I would say they're like those things that must not be named that shape shift, and there's like a ranch about them. I'm sure you know. I don't remember if it was one of your episodes or I was listening to two Girls one ghosts and everyone kept saying that, and I also, what the fuck is that? It took me forever to figure out what it was, so I don't think everyone knows. Oh yeah, well, I don't want to say it. It's a skinwalker, right, yes, okay, what you said? It up me? It's Okay, I don't believe in most of this, so okay, well, I hope you don't get haunted because okay, let me take a pause from this story. Well, lying gonna scare me, Yes, I am. There's one similar story that's not in Awa, but it's in Chiapas, I want to say, the Chiapas region. It's the Oh my god, the White Chivo. Oh. I remember that, And it's a similar, similar, very similar story. And I repeat the story all the time because I need to warn people. Okay, I would just yeah, I apologize to the world right now and the universe and whatever, just in case. I am just kidding, but go on, just sorry, I will. So the Whitchivo is a very similar like a brujo sorcerer that shape shifts into a half animal half man type creature, and they're like said to be very evil. There's even like a saying in you know this region of Mexico where they're like, don't go out after midnight because the white Chivo wanders this area. And when MG and I were both writing our notes about this, she kept hearing knocking on her apartment window. She was like on the third floor at this time. I remember that I mean, come on, how do you explain that? And then like some of her books would fall over, and then her kids kept having nightmares, and like I wasn't experiencing anything like that. But on the day before we recorded, when I finished all my notes, I went to sleep, and like you know, Carmen, I barely remember my dreams most of the time. I'm sure I have them, but I don't remember them, and I don't have a good dream. That night, I had the one of the worst dreams ever. I dreamed that someone broke into our house and then Kyle, my husband, couldn't like get to the where we keep our gun fast enough, and then like he was killed in front of me. And then I woke up right before I was killed in my dream. But then I also, like I think I did a TikTok video about this later about the same thing. And then I had another dream, and again it was a very vivid dream. It was very similar, like someone broke into our house and we were gonna get shot. But then before that happened, there was like this like nefarious deep voice that like laughed and then said, oh haha, you've opened like the window. That's scary, and we can like talk to you now, and it wasn't Spanish, which is worse. Yeah, everything's worse in Spanish. Well, sometimes it's better like songs. Yeah, not when there's a deep growling voice in your fucking dream. Okay, yeah, well, okay, I just wanted to say it in case there was people that don't know what it is, because I once was listening to either you or two girls goes and I said, what the fuck are they talking about? So just in case, yeah, just in case. Anyway, just I don't know, be careful when looking these things up because if you don't believe, like I don't believe in that, and I was horrified. So I don't say it anymore because I don't know if they're the same thing. I don't know if nowales why she was and like you know the word we're not going to say are the same, but they're very similar. And yeah, one gave me a nightmare and attacked me in my dreams, so gotcha? Gotcha? Well, fingers crossed, let's do a little bit. Okay, Well or was I the beginning? After you said what? Nowal was right? So now they're evil? And okay, yeah, because I asked you what they're called in other cultures. So that's where I was at. That's what happened. Yeah, this is from a Mano Pelula case titled Noales from La Cistoia's Maso cultas l Manouda on Spotify. Fortunately, the name of the caller or the date of the original call or not shared, So we're just going to give the caller a name. We're gonna call this color Jose. So Jose tells Juanda One signs that his neighbor Maria Elena, told him and his mom that nawilis passed by the street. Around three am, they heard oink noises like from pigs, and Maria Elena had put out mustard seeds in her yard. Was it to feed the pigs, Yeah, to like prove that they were going into her yard or walking by the street. Oh okay, I see, I see. And then they heard nothing. Then around five am they saw a man and a woman leaving Marie Elena's yard. Okay, that's creepy, So now I see what you're So they saw pigs coming and then they saw people leaving. Yes, and nothing in between. We can assume the pigs were the man and the woman. Yes, okay, no one had entered, just the pics from earlier. And then the next night the same thing happened, but this time Marielena didn't put the seeds out. The pigs entered the yard and they left. And then the night after that it happened again. And Jose saw this when he was ten. At the time of the call, he was like forty something, so this cemented in his mind that Nowalas were real. But this wouldn't be his only encounter with Nowalez. When he was a little older, he was told this story. His mom's side of the family had a small finca where they harvested coffee. All of his uncles and Aunta worked on the farm except when theo Raoul was an alcoholic. He gambled and he didn't help the family at all. Who doesn't have a t L you know. Yeah, there's always the Theoud in the family. For some reason, there was a Brujo in the neighborhood that hated the family in the Leger Bruco, but especially Raul. Maybe he stole his money, I don't know. One night, Raoul was walking it was late and no one else was out. He heard some hissing and saw a snake coming toward him. But the weirdest part is that the snake was standing up straight. Okay, I'm picturing a Harry Potter and sorry, I am being a millenia right now. So the snake was standing up straight coming at him, and I Will grabbed his pistol and fired at the snake, and he missed the first few times, but eventually he hit the snake on the face. And when that happened, the snake turned into a rat and scurried away. I'm sorry, another Harry Potter image. Wow, do you need to stop? No? But okay, does that not make you think of what's his name? Okay? Yeah, Peter Pettigrew. You're right, wow, and you you remember his name, not me. I'm sorry, the characters are ingrained in my brain so very Peter Pettigrew like scared away. So the next morning I told his mom what happened. She said, I bet it was that bruquo and they walked from their dan over to town. When they got there, they asked for the bruco and someone told them, oh, didn't you hear he got home late last night and he was bleeding from his face. Ew ew and the person said that they tried to help him, but he died. And they're like, oh, see him. His body's still in the house. The corner hasn't made it over yet, so you beat the corner. And so Raoul and his mom went to go look, and yeah, the man was still and no longer alleged Bruquoa. At this point, the full confirmed capital C confirmed Bruquo was still in the house, and yeah, that was a Bruquo in a while, and this man was the snake that Raoul had shot. That's so creepy. Oh yeah, although it'd be really cool to turn into an animal, I will say I agree. Yeah, when animal would you choose? You know, when they asked you this as icebreakers, Yeah, what did you always say? A dog? I think I did, okay, because that's what I said. Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't I want to be a dog? I remember in some interviews, like retail jobs, they ask you this sometimes, and I was like, looking up interview questions, They're like, never say dog. Everyone says dog. And I was like, but I legitimately that's what I want to be. I want to be a dog, but not only I want to be a dog in a rich family that's well taken care of. I want to be that dog. Yeah, me too. Whatever. I never changed my answer that it was always a dog because I'm like, I don't want to be a wolf. I don't want to go out and hunt for my food. I want to be a dog where I'm walked every day. I want to be taken care of. Yeah, where I'm fed, I'm giving treats, I'm petted. I get to sleep in the bed. Yeah, on the couch, every couch, get little outfits, go out every day, maybe twice a day, for real, that's the life. Someone throws up my water bowl. I don't have to fill up my water bowl. Yeah, I don't have to do anything except wag my tail and relax. That's what I would do, hands down. I would be a dog. I wouldn't even turn back into my human form, honestly, Yeah, I think that I would only like, like, if I wanted a new family, then I would like turn into a human leave and then I would find a new family. But if I'm being well taken care of, there's no reason for a new family either. So I would just stay a dog forever. Yeah, unless I needed to fly. Then I could just turn to a bird, and then I would go somewhere else, and then I think that dog I was missing, but then I had to come back. Okay, this has gone far enough. All Right, We're gonna do it. What to do Albrek, and then we'll be back. Welcome to our Hunted Break. We just want to give a shout out to our newest Patreon members Claudia Archer and Marlene thank you so much for joining the Orles series. 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The best support that you can give us is just listening to our episodes here, So thank you for doing that. Okay, we're back, Carmen. Sorry matter, stupid story icking snort it but what you maybe do? Okay, well no, but that was really creepy that the nawil like our stupidness. Aside, I was talking about being a dog so much I forgot about that story. You know what we needed that? We needed that because that's truly creepy. Okay, So yeah, Latin American cases that inspired horror movies which I have no idea so the first one and I have not seen this movie either, but the movie Borderland a Frontera was released March two thousand and seven. It stars Brian Presley. Writer Strong, Betto Cuevas, and Marta Igarida. I don't know these people. Were you gonna look them up? Oh? Writer Strong, I think he looks familiar. I think I've seen him writers Strong, writer from Boy Meets World. Oh, no, wonder he looks familiar. I never watched Boy Meets World. Actually, me and me neither. I've only seen like clips here or there. I know who they are, but yeah, I've never seen it. I think he's the only one I know. Yeah, I want to say that is the only person that I know for sure. I did see apparently Sean Aston is in the movie Sean Austin. Yeah, he's from the Goonies and he's also and then god, what is that movie Lord of the Rings. He's in Lord of the Rings. I think is any like Frodo or some shit. I don't know anything about Lord of the Rings. I don't know another movie I haven't seen. No one come for me. I refuse to watch them. It's just too late. Now. I feel the same way about Game of Thrones, like it's too late, the moment has passed. Yeah, I'm never watching it anyway. So that's the cast of the movie Borderland. So the movie is about three college graduates who were in Galveston, Texas and joined the Beach. Then they decided that wasn't fun enough, and they're like, we're gonna go to downtown Mexico and that's where the real party is going to be at. Yes, so yeah, that's gonna be more fun and then they can do more illegal things over there. I guess is what they said. Their words, not mine. This does not go well and what are the main characters? Phil falls in love with a barely legal sex worker, problematic and she has a child, And there's seen in the movie where Phil walks away from his friends and he goes to buy a Teddy Bear for the child, and instead he gets kidnapped by the cartel. As things tend to happen, you know. The next morning, two of the friends and the friend group realized that Phil was missing, and they investigate his whereabouts. And we're not going to spoil the movie for anyone who hasn't watched it. I'm not gonna watch it, but yeah, neither. It's revealed that Phil was abducted by a drug dealing cult that practices in an ancient African diaspor religion called Palo Mayomb which is confused with Santa Riola, which also is very This is like a fake, perverse version of Palo Mayombe, I will also add, and he was being held captive with a cult plan to make feel a human sacrifice for their nyanga, which is an iron cauldron that is inhabited by spirits and it makes wishes come true. And again that's like a twisted version of it. Really, it's like a ritual for luck or whatever, not to make wishes come true, like it's like any prayer. Really. So the cult hope that by sacrificing Phil, the spirits in the nyanga would make sure that their drug deals, that their drugs would make it into the US without being detected by border police. I think I know the cases is based on I think you do. I think you do, because now we're going to get into that case. And when Dawn was telling me about it, I was like, oh wait, I think I know this case. Yeah, yeah, So now onto the case that inspired the movie. Adolfo the Hissou's Constenso was born in Miami, Florida to Cuban parents. His mother immigrated from Cuba and then had him when she was fifteen then they moved to Puerto Rico. This was after the death of his father and he was raised in a Catholic household, but his mom took him to Haiti a lot because she was learning about voodoo apparently interesting. Yeah, So then they moved back from Puerto Rico to Miami, and then he started helping a local practitioner of Palo Mayombe and that's who introduced him to that religion. And like I said a little earlier, Bayo Malombe and Santa Ria, they're confused a lot, but they're not thing. They're a West African derived religion with components of Catholicism. Both involved the ritual use of non human skeletal remains. Keyword there, yeah, keyword non human. Yes. Also, some people like all religions, which way it feels like I'm like over justifying this or whatever or explaining, but like every religion has good and bad people, right, So there's some people that are practitioners of Palomayombe that do use human skeletal remains to place in that you know iron cauldron that we mentioned earlier, But that's not the norm. The norm is non human skeletal remains. This religion. It's nature based and again not always evil, even though you know vuruo Ism, santeria palomayombe. They're always depicted as like evil and they're usually like in TV shows and movies, right something evil. So again they're not always evil. I just I just need to say that again. Okay, back to got married again after his stepfather died. Everyone is just dying around this woman could be heard. I don't know. Maybe so his stepfather died and her new husband was another practitioner. I don't know another person that practiced Balo mayombe and he was also a drug dealer. Okay, okay, So the neighbors often complained of dead animals being left at their door after they argued with like either his stepfather or his mom. Okay, that's a little scary. So it's a little threatening. Yeah, that's a little yeah, I would be scared. One could interpren that as a threat. Yeah, for sure. The floors of their apartment was also covered in blood and feces. At some point, his mom was arrested for having twenty seven animals in their small apartment. So not the healthiest, one could say. Yeah. In nineteen eighty four, Adolfo moved to Mexico City and this is where he began his cult and he gained his first two followers here, set up a spell casting business and he became popular with the local drug dealers. That's interesting, yeah, and hitmen and corrupt policemen. That was his client base. These corupt policemen connected adultful to Rich Cartel's who. They were like, you know what, you can use his spells. They're going to bring you good luck in your drug deals. So they connected, they were networking. His initial initial ritual sacrifices included chickens, goat, snakes, and exotic animals like zebras and lions. I don't like that. Zebra's and lions. Yeah, no, these animals have been through enough. I know. I agree. Then his group, his Cult to Whatever, started to grave rob so they could use human remains in their sacrifices and they believe this would make their spells stronger. But somehow this wasn't enough, and they took it a step further and began to sacrifice humans. So they were no longer using people that were already dead, they were killing them. Well escalated, Oh yeah, I did. Around this time, Adolfo met Sara Maria Aldrete Villareal, and she was connected to the Hernandez Brothers cartel. Sara was born in nineteen sixty four. She grew up in a middle class family in Mata Moros, Tamaulipas, Mexico. She attended high school in college in Brownsville, Texas, and then she introduced Adolfo to Elio. He was the leader of the Hernandez Brothers cartel, and he believed that Adolfo's rituals were the reason that his cartel was doing good. They were, I don't know, getting more money, more drugs into the US, whatever, they were succeeding their business. Things were going well, yeah, for his cartel. And so this is when Adolfo became part of the cartel and the cartel became central to his cult. They became one one the same, I guess yeah. And so he became what they called their high priest or Padrino, and Sara became high priestess or Madrina. In total, maybe around twenty victims were sacrificed by the cult, most of them were Mexican. Until they abducted and murdered American student Mark Kilroy in nineteen eighty nine, and this is when it really mattered because he was an America. Yeah, it didn't matter before before that, no, really non issue. Yeah uh huh. Everyone they had sacrificed went unnoticed. So Mark Kilroy was a pre med student. He was having a super fun spring break with three of his friends. They planned to spend their days partying at the beach, bar hopping, and then going south of the border during the night. And Mark Kilroy was taking one night while he stood outside of a bar in Matamos, and he was taken to Rancho Santa Elena. And this is where Adolfo and his colts carried out most of their ritualistic murders and where they stored their drugs. Mark's abduction would have gotten noticed like the rest of the colt sacrifices if he weren't into American and if it weren't for his uncle, because his uncle was a special agent with US Customs. He was like active in the disappearance. He reported him missing, and he was really active in like trying to figure out what happened. Mexican authorities were being pressured by Texas politicians in Texas who urged them to locate Mark. Again. It wouldn't have mattered to them, hmm. But because Mark was white and American and had these connections, it didn't matter. And obviously all these killings are wrong from the beginning, but that's when it became a national issue. Mexican police uncovered Mark's body at the ranch. They also found the cult Nyanga that cauldron and in the cauldron, and they found a dead black cat, a human brain, and other items yanks. Altogether, there were fifteen bodies found at the ranch, and the officials say that the group, the cult and whatever the cartel abducted Mark because they needed a superior brain for one of their rituals. So they needed his because he was like a med student. He was like smarter than their other Mexican victims. Mark was killed with the machete when he tried to escape, and that is what that movie is based on. Yikes. Yeah, yeah, terrible, but they were caught and everything. Oh yeah, okay, So the second case this movie, and I'm sure everyone knows this movie, but I haven't seen it. Silence of the Lambs. I haven't seen it either. You haven't seen it either, No, Yeah, I'm not surprised. But it was released January nineteen eighty one. It stars Anthony Hopkins and Jody Foster. And yeah, again, almost everyone knows the movie exists, but like, we've never seen it. I did not know it was inspired by a Mexican true crime case, though that I had no idea about me neither, So yeah, let's get into it. It centered around Jodi Foster's character, Clarice Starling. She's a young FBI trainee and she's hunting a serial killer named Buffalo Bill. And and in the movie, Clarice turned to a prisoner and former psychiatrist, doctor Hannibal Lecter for his help to find Buffalo Bill because he himself is a brilliant psychiatrist and a cannibalistic serial killer. Okay, I don't think I knew that he was also a psychiatrist. I thought he was just a serial killer. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, he's supposed to be the super smart sociopath and he's like messing with her the whole time, and it's like this battle of the I don't know, intelex or whatever typical. Honestly, it sounds like a movie that we should like. I just have never seen it. Yeah, maybe I should watch it. There's a show too. M m m hmmm. They also haven't watched the movie and the character of Hannibal Lecter It was inspired by a Mexican doctor named Alfredo Bali Trevigno, and he was a former surgeon from an upper class family in Monterrey, Mexico. He was also the last criminal to have been sentenced to death in Mexico Go. He is suspected of killing and is membering several hitchhikers between the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, but this was never proven. The thing he was actually caught for was killing his colleague and former boyfriend, Hesus Castillo Rangjell during an argument. Oh an x and a colleague. Mm hmm yeah, durrama. Well obviously horrible, actual horrible tragy. Yeah, no, for sure. According to court documents, Alfredo went to visit Hesus, who was also a doctor, hence the colleague, and so alfreda went to visit him because he was collecting some money that Hesus was going to let him borrow because was going through some financial troubles. But when Hassus gave him the money, it was a lot less than Alfredo was expecting, and when he demanded more. Hesus refused, and so then he killed him. He took a scapel to Hesus's throat and then that didn't immediately kill him. So then Alfredo drags him to the back room and this is where he finished killing him. I'm not gonna share the details. So then he called Hesus's former driver and friend, Francisco Real, for help getting rid of the body of Hesus. This was Hesu's former friend and driver. Yes, so like, what a fucking friend, right? Wow? Yeah, I would never help bury my friend's body if my friend's boyfriend, who I already didn't like for reasons unknown, because you felt the vibes. That's why you knew the vibes were off from the beginning for sure, called me and said, hey, help me bury friend. I'm like, no, what the fuck, I'm calling the police. I'm like, tell me where you are. I'll be right there, and then on my second phone, nine one one, bitch. Seriously, that's what Francisco should have done, but he didn't do that. They went over to his uncle's house and borrowed a shovel. God, and then when they left with the shovel, the uncle Gula Lupe. Yeah, was like, something's wrong, and he was the one who contacted police officers. Okay, but they had dismembered and buried Jesus. Well, thank you for Lupe. Yeah, seriously. And so Judge Marco Antonio Leja Moreno sentenced Alfredo to death. But at this time the laws in Mexico were changing and they were doing a way with the death sentence, so Alfredo was charged with twenty years to life instead. Okay. So then in the nineteen sixties, Thomas Harris, and he is the author of the book that inspired the Silence of the Lambs. Maybe I should read that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the book is like, I've never read it. I think it's called Red Dragon and it's a series. Oh you know what I heard, the first book was good and then afterwards he started doing too much and that it wasn't good. I think that's what I heard. Okay. So he's the author and at the time in the nineteen sixties, he was a young reporter and he was assigned to interview a mental patient at the Novo Leon Stay prison for the magazine he worked for. And this presence in Monterrey, he was supposed to go interview a mental patient that was there by the name of Dike's Askew Simmons and Dike Ascue. Simmons had killed three children, but during the scheduled session to interview Dike's, Dikes tried to escape. Dikes was shot by a guard while he was trying to escape, and then a man came in and helped save Dikes's life and he introduced himself as a doctor to Thomas Harris. And so then Thomas Harris was like, well, I guess I'll interview him, because like I need to interview someone. I'm already here. I'm not gonna want to lose this assignment. He interviewed the doctor. They talked about how the doctor treated the gunshot wounds stopped bleeding, how we saved Diyke's life right, And then the interview took kind of a dark turn that left the bad taste in Thomas Harris's mouth because the doctor was like starting he started to ask about Dike's victims, like like, oh, he had he killed children, right, and then he was like wanting details and like almost like he was savoring the details, enjoying the details of the crime. So Thomas, yeah, very ill. Thomas entered the interview and then he was walked out by the prison warden. He was like, the vibes are off. Yeah. When Thomas was walking out with the prison warden, he asked the prison warden how long the doctor had been working there. That he seemed a little strange, but overall he was like, well, he saved someone's lives, so he must be good. And I mean he's working here right then the warning was like, ore, don't you know who that is? That doctor is a murderer. Waits STUPIDO says man So matala wait, way is that the terrible That's basically what he said. So he said that doctor is a murderer. As a surgeon, he would pack up his victim in a small box. Oh my god. And so he's like he's never leaving this place. He's insane. I'm sorry, I'm still laughing. Just imagine You're like, oh, but he has to be a good person. If he helped that guy, blah blah, dude, he's a killer. I would have thrown up, like and it's just what a thing to go through. So naturally, Thomas Harris was like what the hell, Like, what are you serious? Because he the doctor was charming until he then started wanting a little to being weird. Yeah, but still he like fooled this journalist and he was like, what the I'm I'm scared. I am bamboozled and afraid. Bamboozled and afraid new sticker. So just like Hannibal Lecter, Afrello was known in prison for being very charming, well mannered, and having impeccable tape psych At this time, it was a mental institution, so there wasn't uniforms. He wore light colored suits, shades, He had expensive watches like he dressed to fancy. He spoke very intelligently. No wonder he thought he'd worked there. Yeah, one hundred percent. It reminds me sorry to bring a Bones again. But there's an episode of Bones where they go into an institution like this, and you know, Bones is always like talking shit about psychology, and so she's in this hospital talking about psychology like like she tends to do, and there's like a crisis going on, and so the actual doctor that works at that place and Booth got to help that patient that's having a problem, and she stays behind, and then another psychiatrist walks up to her and they have the smartest conversation. She's like, Wow, I should rethink my judgment of the psychiat tree Field. And then the other psychiatrist comes. He's like, oh you met patient blah blah blah, and she's like what. It's literally that situation, Yeah, yeah, only worse because it was real. Yeah, and it shook his core. Thomas Harris shook his core so much that he was inspired to create the character of Hannibal Lecter based on his meeting with this doctor and yeah, I get it the similarities. He also based the whole This doctor was not accused of being accountable, but he did. He was accused of cutting people in small pieces and putting them in boxes, and he took that directly into the movie, like horrifying stuff. So the doctor he Alfredo. He did leave prison in the nineteen eighties because they had a twenty year sentence. It wasn't like that was a maximum. It wasn't like he was in there for life. So he got out and he was an old man at this point in a wheelchair, he couldn't walk anymore, and Thomas Harris visited him again and he wanted to talk about the crimes that were tied to him, the killing of all these hitchhikers that was never proven. It was just like he might have done it, but we don't have evidence. And Alfredo told him, like, if you want, we can talk about anything you'd like, except for that. I don't want to relive my dark past. I don't want to wake up my ghosts. It's very hard. That pass is heavy, and the truth is that the angst I have isn'tbearable. I can't live with it. And he told Thomas, like, I paid for what I did. Now my only purpose is to help others. And he in his wheelchair was treating patients for almost no mony in this like low income neighborhood, and his only goal was to never stop working and then he wanted to walk again. He died of prostate cancer in the beginning of two thousand and nine, and he was still never tried or convicted for the other murders that were tied to him. But yeah, that is the case. I guess he was your rehabilitated. Yeah, I think so. Also, my camera's going to be offering this portion my child sitting with me. That's who I'm waving at. Yeah, that is who Carmen is waving out. Yeah, I mean he must have felt, you know, remorseful and hopefully he didn't continue killing during this time. But yeah, horrifying that he inspired this terrible, very creepy character. Yeah, very creepy. And I guess this brings us to the end of the episode that it does any do you have any spooky recommendations? Oh, I'm just gonna ask you. I actually I do. I it's more of don't give them the MiG now true crime as in the survivor of a crime type media recommendation. I've been reading My Name by Chanelle Miller. I believe that's her last name. Who is the survivor of the assault committed by Brock Turner. We all know who that is. I'm not done yet. I'm like in chapter I'm almost done. I have like two chapters left, I think, and at the end is the impact statement that she gave. But it's such a powerful book. There's nothing I love more than a good memoir. And to hear survivors tell their stories like it's amazing, and she writes so beautifully. It is a heartless and though like very emotional. Yeah, I ben it's really it's a really good book though, I really recommend it. I'll have to check it out for my library. Oh okay, there goes my light. I'm listening to it on Spotify. Oh okay, yeah. Oh, but if you do listen to the audiobook, I know that you always beat books up. She does read very slowly, even I spread it up, and I don't like doing that. Oh okay, that's good to know. And it sounds like normal, and I put it in one and a half and then it sounds normal to me. But it's almost poetic and the way that she writes, but not overly poetic, like I don't know if I'm explaining that right, but it's just beautiful, like I want to buy it just so I could read it also written, not only listen to it. Okay, yeah, I'll have to check it out. I'll have to check it out. I actually have a speaker recommendation today. Okay, I've been listening to this. I know not a lot of maybe not everyone is a fan of audio dramas. Once in a while, I find a really good one. You don't like them, no, no, I know, I do though. This one is called Agents Stoker, and it's like think X Files. But the guy gets drunk a lot as he drinks a lot. He doesn't actually get drunk in the audio drama. That would be weird. I figured it. But yeah, it's just like a supernatural thriller. They're investigating like paranormal cases in this like agency that is like secret. Oh my god, like the show with what's his name? Oh yeah, there's only like two seasons. Oh so not funny. Yeah, the one with the guy from the Office and Ben from Yatton rec Yeah, yeah, garyl from the Office. I think it's called Ghosted. Yeah, I think so that was a fun show. I'm so mad. There's only two seasons. That was very fun a very fun watch. Less funny, so really think more like X Files more serious. Oh okay, but it's got an amazing cast. Emily Deschanel. Oh, another guy who's like a creepyck Like he plays a creepy guy in Bones for like three episodes. He's the main guy. I honestly thought it was Hotch from Criminal Minds. His voice is very similar. Oh he sounds that way. Yeah, and other like professional voice actors. Maybe I'll check it out. I don't know. It sounds good, it is. I have been enjoying it. The episodes are like twenty ish minutes. They put all their ads in the front too, so that once you skip them, you're a good It just continuous. Oh that's cool. But yeah, it's very fun. I'm in the second season. I'm hoping there's gonna be a third season. I didn't check when the second one came out. But oh, Tamara Taylor, who's also in Bones, I don't remember. She's Cam in Bones the Pathologists. Oh wait, never mind. As many of you know, I've been rewatching. I've been obsessed with Bones like the past two yea you have. I was very excited when I found this audio drama. It's very good. Oh Cam, yes, I sorry, just googled her? Yeah, oh you looked her up? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, I'll put her image in this part of the video so that people know. But yeah, stellar, stellar sound design, stellar voice acting. Because I think that's some of the things that puts people off when listening to, especially like indie ones, like maybe the voice acting is not there. That's not a thing that me a lot. So is it like listening to like how I when you listen to the to the book. Because I don't even like really listening to fiction books like audio books. I only like listening to memoirs or nonfiction books. But I did listen to what's that one book? By the first one? Yeah, I listened to that one, and I did enjoy listening to that one. Is it similar to that? Well, yeah, you're like listening to a show. H Okay, yeah, you're it's a voice active So it's a good TV show in your ears. Okay, I could check it out. It sounds interesting. Yeah, I highly recommend it. It was very fun. I just finished the second season, so I'm hoping there's more episodes. And that was again Agent Stoker And yeah, I guess now this is the end of the episode. Yeah, all right, thanks Carmen for joining me today, and thanks everyone for listening. And I don't know, watch out for snake in the road that's vertical and chasing you. I guess if it's going like this, yes, and hey, is spooky. We'll catch everyone next time. 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