More Legends From Chihuahua and the Case of Edwin Miguel Juarez Palma

Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is another episode of a Spooky Tells, the podcast for all things spooky, hunted, places, myths, legends, antro crime in Latin America. Today we have chi Wawa Part two. All right, this time three spooky stories and a true crime case. All right, Well, if you're not a PATRONT member at the lowest tier, you didn't hear us yap about Benito bole for thirty minutes. There was other things that were kind of actually like really depressing. Anyway, you missed that. You missed that, So let's get onto the topics, because also I forgot a listener story. Usually there's a listener story here. I didn't get one ready, I forgot, So we're just going to get into the topics. But normally, yeah, we read one here. And if you have a story that you want us to read in this segment that we normally read it in, then gmails dot com you can submit it on any of the socials. You can leave it as a comment and we'll read it any of those We love receiving them. Okay, and again we have legends from Chihuahua and then a case after all right, so our first legend from Chihuahua ISOs is the name of the legend, Yes, okay, Well, there are a couple of different legends called Lainos, both in El Serro Grande in the city of Chihuaua, and this location is called are Wakawi by the indigenous Daaumara and Serode by everyone else. Side note, I'm actually kind of topical that we're talking about Chiua because I'm currently reading Oh yeah, now it's surrendered and it's about what it's called the Pacha. But Chihuaua lands in Cha like that region southwest Mexico border basically. But anyway, back to the story. Oh my gosh, haral let me tell you what it means. I just looked it up. So it's a Raramuri word that is put together with Arewa and Kawi, which means alma and montagnah Serro the last almas wow okay, yes, like a mountainsoul, soul of the mountains, mountains, Alma, montagnata las almas okay. Interesting. The cave on this mountain is registered with the National Institute of Anthropology and History because there are prehistoric rock paintings inside. According to legend, if you blimp to the highest part of the hill and look southeast, red flags will appear on the horizon. If you wait for the sun to sit on those red flags at that very moment, there will be a majestic Chinese temple. But if you see them, you have to leave. You have to go down the mountain, but only only through the north slope, the side that faces the city, because if you go down the south side, then you will be sucked into the Chinese temple and disappear forever. I'm sorry, but I would not remember these sets of rules, and I would climb down the wrong side, and there I go. I had to be like, what is that saying, uh, never eat sour worms never, and then figure out which way to go, And then I still go the wrong way. It's a horrible sense of direction. We do, both of us, we do, we do, and so then that would be the end of us. Yeah, and apparently there has been There have been several cases of people disappearing off the mountain, which only contributes to the legend. Wow. The other version of like Casauschinos is much darker, especially because it's rooted in history. Oh, I'm sorry, but I'm sorry to say, but that's My favorite kind of legend, the very dark deperson ones, because there's a grain of truth and there. According to legend, a prominent Chinese family who worked in agriculture lived in Villa quads On in Serro Grande. They built their house away from the town because of racism towards Chinese people, which was huge in those times. Yep. So they were up there to be away from everyone. But then the Mexican Revolution broke out and a group of bandits arrived and killed the multi generational family and then hung their bodies on a huge tree that used to be in front of the house. Oh my god. Yeah. The other version of this is that the husband and the family or rived home to discover his wife was having an affair with another man. This drove him mad, which caused him to murder everyone in the house and then take his own life. And whatever version is true, everyone in the family was dead either way. I feel like the other the bandit version is true because famously they would rob like big houses and ranches and whatnot. Right, and it's in the note, you'll get into it. But a ton of Chinese people died during the Mexican Revolution. Oh, I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. Yeah, and the house is real. It's about thirty seven minutes away from Chihuahua, and then you have to hike up this trail to reach it. Those who do the high caraporta seene shadows and have ever heard and have heard sounds on the trail like footsteps behind them, only for them to turn and see no one when they reach the house. It has a heavy feel to it. People have also reported disembodied screams inside, and there's also holds all over the house because according to legend, there is a treasure buried somewhere in their property. I no one has found it, of course, and they're not going to and if they do, they're gonna lose their mindend. Yeah, that's part of it. So I just figured. One day, an older retired format told his kids and grad kids about his encounter in La Casa Chinos when he was young, not long after the disappearance of the original inhabitants of the mansion, the Chinese family. He was in charge of hurting cattle and he had to pass by the house. As he walked by, he suddenly felt an intense pain all over his body. Then he heard a spectral cry and a voice that screened for him to leave the property, which he did as soon as he could, which, of course, yeah right, but he had to keep working and passing by this place while hurting cattle. I guess you gotta make a living, not me. One afternoon, while leading the horses to pasture, he came across dozens of vipers that appeared in his path. This caused the horse to rear up, throwing him backward just a few meters from where the hissing, venomous snakes were. As he tried to get up, he looked for something to lean on to help him stand, but when he looked again toward where the snake had been, they had disappeared, leaving only a pile of dry branches in their place. Oh that one is odd, because yes, he heard the hauntings from the house, But these snakes, these disappearing snakes, that's that's weird. Yeah. And the thing that makes this legend really dark is that it's rooted in real history. During the Mexican Revolution, on May fifteenth, nineteen eleven, revolutionary forces took over the city of Torrion in Guawela and killed the Chinese population of the city. Yeah, the Torion massacre, it's in my topic list forray story has unknown okay people for that episode at some point in the future. At some point and in the following days, three hundred more Chinese were killed, and this kind of violence against Chinese people continued during the war. In nineteen sixteen, at least two hundred and nine Chinese people were killed in the state of Chihuaua, which is the time period that this legend takes place. So wow, that's dark man and I yeah, I don't remember when I learned about the Torion massacre, and again very vaguely, but I remember seeing it on our topic list. Yes, yeah, it's on there. But yeah, I didn't know about it. I didn't realize that the massacre was against Chinese people, mm hmm. Yeah, who have been in Mexico for a very very very long time, for a long time. And I learned that from the history of the bor Patrol book. They were the first started by por Patrol. So yeah, they were kicked out from the United States because that's what started por Patrol. Yeah. Por Patrol stemmed from the what are they called Chinese the mount something. They were basically created just to find Chinese people to report them. Yeah. Yeah, and then they would take them to Mexicans. Learn about yeah, which you can learn about on our series of Border Patrol on Estoya Unknown. Yeah. Yeah, and so I about that. Yes, And our next legend is Lenovia de Santa Elalia. Santa Oulalia is a mining town just over thirty kilometers from the state capital with just over twenty thousand inhabitants, and was founded more than three hundred years ago, since the Bussillo's mine was opened between seventeen hundred and seventeen thirty. Wow, that's a long time ago. Yeah, And so this is where the story takes place. According to legend, there was a couple. They were so in love and were about to get married. Sounds happy, everything was ready. The bride and groom had been together for a while and wanted to continue their lives together. Then their wedding day came, but it was not one of joy. On that day, a mysterious man, armed and on horseback, very much in the style of the revolutionaries of the Mexican Revolution, violently kidnapped the woman and took her far away from everyone. The townspeople learned that he had her living in the cave and the local mind. While all their attempts to rescue her did not work. Some time passed and no one heard about the girl or the man that took her. Legend says that he murdered her and then fled the town, which is why her soul is found wandering in the abandoned caves of the mind. If you come across her, she will plead with you, begging for help, and then become angry because she's so desperate to find her way back to the town's sad and that was a thing they kidnapped. Oh yeah, soo many people were like asking their grandparents how they got married or whatever, and they're like, oh, it was miserable. What My coworker told me that her grandma was stolen by her grandpa. That's crazy. Yeah, And I remember I watched the video in a current video like not too long ago, of a younger woman interviewing like older women like on the street, and I forgot why she asked her. But that woman, it's like an older woman but she's not too old and her husband stole her. Yeah, I'm like that's just wild. Yeah, Okay, So our next legend is El Kuro de Santa Again. The story begins in the first half of the seventeenth century somewhere in Spain, when Edraskemo Nunias leaves his homeland for what was then called the New World or Nova Spa. The reasons why Nunia's left Spain very according to different versions of the legend, some saying he was fleeing because he committed murder or because he was wanted by the authorities for other crimes, but it's possible. Like many Spaniards at the time, he left for what is now Mexico in search of riches and a new life. After arriving at the port of Veracruz, fate brought Erasmo Nunez to the Reno de Viscaya, which extended north of New Spain or today are the states of Chihuaua and Durango and parts of Texas and New Mexico, also known as Apacheria. I didn't know that, Yeah, did you learn that from the book you reading now? I surrendered, Yeah, yeah, I sure did. Back then, Santa Eulalia was an important mining center where large quantities of silver were extracted. It was therefore the ideal destination for anyone seeking to make a fortune in this town. Nunias amassed his wealth. According to some accounts, he did so legally by establishing his own mind, which he painstakingly built up. According to some accounts, so what's the other one? Right? Right? Other versions claim he enriched himself through robberies and scams. Oh, robberies and scams, okay. And still others say he became wealthy through a pact with the devil. That's what I was waiting for. All accounts agreed that he became a wealthy man. And that's where one way or another, yeah, uh say it or not? Yeah, And that's where his nickname el Kuro comes from. A word oh that means work or scam, interesting, and it was used to describe someone rich. And Elkuro didn't hide his wealth. He dressed elegantly and flamboyantly. Of course he did. At some point in his life, Elcuro hit a large quantity of gold and silver in an abandoned mine shaft in the rugged mountains surrounding. Why do you think he did that just for fun? He's like, I have so much gold, I'm gonna He's like, they're going to make legend of this later, So I have to do this, that's what he thought. He just to get in ahead. Yeah, you're right. And yeah, mountains surrounding Santa Eulalia. And I guess it's because he trusted no one, Okay, So he had to hide his money. And then he went on a journey back to Spain to see his family and bringing back an air or someone to help him manage his businesses. Oh, he was gonna steal his wife. Okay, yeah, I guess. I don't know they did that over there. No, I don't know. I had to come from somewhere. I don't know. But he never made it to Spain. That was a long journey. Yeah, yeah, like coming and going. That was a risk every time, if you were going to make it or not. And now today in Santa Ulalia, he can be seen roaming the cobblestone streets. To those who have the misfortune of encountering El Kuro, he offers to them the location of his treasure under one condition. Okay, they had to fulfill a vow. That doesn't sound too bad, Well, wait till you hear the vow. The vow consists of praying for him in the church of his hometown in Spain. Okay, so you have to go to Spain. So doesn't sound that bad. Huh hmm a little bit. But others say the vow is much more terrible. Anyone who wants to obtain Elkuro's treasure would have to sacrifice her eldest son. Okay, but what if your eldest son kind of sucks? No, I'm just kidding. Well, you can do it, no qualms about it. In return, he would reveal the location of the enormous fortune hidden in one of the many hills surrounding the small community of Santa Laia. Okay, something to ponder on if you're gonna do it, And listeners tell us, would you sacrifice your eldest I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Well, Matto is God to give to earth. He's he's literally me bendon no literally literally what they call him. He's sure, that says Lavendission. He worried to the first day of kindergarten, and now Sammy wears a shirt because that's my other mendisio. Okay, Well, thank you for sharing those stories from Chihuahua. And we're going to take a little break here and then we'll be back with the true crime case. And we're back and I present to you today the case of Edwin Miguel is Palma. On March first, twenty sixteen, at six thirty in the morning, the radio operator of the Chihuahua State Police Investigation Division received a call about two black plastic bags in the middle of Segunda and Manuel do Blado streets, and so police were sent to the scene, where they quickly uncovered the nature of the bags. It was the remains of a man with facial injuries clear signs of blunt force trauma. He also had visible wounds at the base of his neck. Oh my. The young man was discovered to have been twenty four year old Edwin Miguel Juarez Balma, known as Biwa to his friends and family. He worked in La Plaza de la Technologia and La Libertad in Chihuahua. And what followed was a seventy two hour investigation and when it was over, what came of it seemed to be straight out of a horror movie, but like worse because it was real. Oh my god. Yes. So it turns out that Edwin was lured to a cyber cafe called freak Shop by So, I don't like that doesn't seem like a normal name for us. Cybercafe things were names over there like if they are flish, they never makes sense. Yeah, So this cyber cafe was called Freak Shop, and he was told to meet four of his friends there and these four were eighteen year old Yvett Lopez, eighteen year old Gustavo Dorantes, and then Omar Sanchez and Caleb Joseph Acosta Loerra. They were both twenty five. Freak Shop was owned by Omar, who went by Osiris. That was his nick nickname. Can't be good, no right, red flag already And that's all I could find on the Freak Shop, the Freak Shop that it was a cyber cafe owned by Osiris Omar, and they hung out there frequently because he was an owner. But like I'm wondering, what was it? The core situation was the freaky I don't know, we don't know. And all five of them were kind of like Emo, a little Ammo, a little Emo like if you were to sell, if you were to see them, you would be like, yeah, little other. Well, yes, they have the look which a lot of people do you know. Yeah, So it wasn't out of the ordinary for Edwin to have gone to the freak shop to hang out there with them like he was called to do on February twenty ninth, twenty sixteen. Like they called him like, hey, come hang out with us. Yeah, they were like, hey, come on, yeah, we're all over here. And it seems that this particular day he was told that he could finally join THEIRLT Oh my god, they had a cold. They called it a cold. Wow. Those equals to Baffo Met. They know that cults are bad, right, Oh my god, what they do to him? They did this him, didn't they. I just gone, I know, I know the truth. Yeah, okay, and I'm sure that a lot of our listeners know, but for those that don't. Befo Met is associated with Satanism or like Satanic imagery. He's usually depicted as having like the head of a goat with few horns, the body of a man, goat feet whatever they're called hoofs, I don't know, and sometimes wings and really Buffomet is supposed to be an androgenous human goat hybrid that represents the concept of perfect equilibrium. Oh by who or what? This what is what he is? Oh? But who made this imagery? You know? Well, it dates back to the fourteenth century. Okay. Also represents the reconciliation of opposites and esoteric knowledge. Okay, and Bafomet first shows up all the way back in the fourteenth century when the Knights Templar was accused of worshiping Bafomet as a demonic idol. Wow. So he the demonic allegations day back to the fourteenth century for Buffomet, yes, wow, And this is what these group of friends call themselves, the sons of Buffomet. I'm just gonna say, if your friends are in a colt and they're like, you can finally be part of a cult, just run. I don't know, I'm just getting where this is going. Yeah. And so Edwin was probably excited that because he allegedly wanted to be part of their so called cult. I just don't know how four people can call them the cult. But whatever, I feel like it needs to be more people. Every group starts out somewhere. You know what, You're right, You're right. Every group was one just one person. No, you're right. I was gonna say, shut up. Okay. So he went and when he got to the freak shop. The friends were waiting there for him with plastic bags. Well, I mean they told him that they had to do a ritual for him to be initiated into the cult, and they left out that this ritual involved him dying. Oh my god, I just like I want to know what the hell was wrong with them and why they thought they needed to do this. Like, I don't understand what year was this, twenty sixteen, Okay, I just want to double check twenty sixteen, Yeah, just to see if it's like you could justify it by what year it is or I'm just it didn't make sense if it was like eighty years ago. I just needed to know. I needed to remember. So when he arrived, they took him to the bathroom, they tied his hands behind his back some sorts of say. He sat in a chair and they tied him to the chair. Then Ibeth, Gustavo, and Omad proceeded to beat Edwin. They hit him, kicked him, and it just escalated from their Ebed used a broken glass bottle to stab Edwin in the neck. Then they hit him some more and then Omad strangled him to death. For some reason, they believed that Edwin would return as a vampire to help their cold. This is what I'm saying. I need to know what was going on in their brains for this to have Why did they think this? Yeah, I don't, I don't yeah, yeah. And so when Edwin didn't return to life as a vampire, they panicked. They wrapped ed one up in two black bags, taped him up, and put him in their car, then dumped him in the middle of the street. Some sources said a bench, a public bench either way, they went and put him out out there and you know, dumped his body. And so I guess they thought police would find the remains and then blame one of the many cartels operating in Mexico. I mean, I guess that makes sense. M and so they thought they could get away with murder by blaming organized crime. And of course that's not what happened. Police actually did their job. They got an anonymous tip telling them about these four. Oh my god, I want to know who that was. It's anonymous, but yeah, I wish we knew. And so this led to the arrest of the three. Galip, the first one that I mentioned, he wasn't there when Edwin was murdered, but police were searching for him because apparently he was the orchestrator of what mm hmm, and he was like, oh, this is going to go stud let me bounce as yeah something, because he wasn't there and he was actually not participating in the murder either, he just like planned it. So lisaid, Omada and Gustavo A told police the same thing, that they thought Edwin would come back as a vampire, and that they had Edwin's consent for the ritual, and this is the motive they stuck with, but there might have been like other reasons. It turns out that Omada nived had gone into some sort of fight with Edwin and they never really made up from that fight. And I don't know what that fight was about. What could be so serious for this the outcome, No, truly, I don't know, wow, whatever the case was, all three said that Calib instructed them to sacrifice Edwin on the behalf of the cult, so he thought he was joining the colt, but they the whole time were instructed by Glib to sacrifice Edwin. So then this vampire thing, which is bullshit. They knew. I think they just saifing him for the colt. Yeah, and it's not clear if Calib told them like, oh, well, you need to sacrifice him on behalf of the cold so he can't come back and help the colt. But either way, he told them to do it, you know, like allah Charles Manson, Like where Manson was telling them to go kill people, but he wasn't doing the killing. This seems like a similar situation because Calip didn't do anything himself. He told them to do it and they listened for some reason, for some odd reasons. Yeah, after they dumped Edwin's remains in the street, they returned to freak shop and they tried to clean the evidence away. But when the anonymous witness called gave their information about this so called cult, investigators went straight there with the warrant. They found evidence of the crime still in the bathroom. So Ybed, Gustabo, and Omad were arrested on March four, twenty sixteen, and Galib was arrested on March seventh, is when they found him. Iybeth and Omad were both sentenced to twenty one years in twenty seventeen for being the ones who had done the murder, and Calib and Gustavo were sentenced to thirteen years themselves for assisting or planning the homicide of Edwin. And during the trial, even more strange information about Ybed was uncovered. She had a secret Facebook account like finstaba Facebook, fake book, fake book. Yeah. This account was under the name Lenor Malina and in it she describes herself as a police officer in training. Her cover photo was a heart with the words in a relationship with Satan. She also had pictures with Satanic imagery and Nazis. Wow mm hmmm one of her older cover photos. Because you know how Facebook would create an album of your cover photos. I don't know if it still does it. So one of her older cover photos was like the Last Supper, only the twelve Disciples were covered in blood. What and where Jesus normally sits, there was like a Satanic figure sitting there and Jesus was laid out on the table dead. The blasphemy satanic blasphemy. But yeah, no really wow, yeah weird. And then on her Facebook walk people used to write on people's walls and so on her Facebook wall there was there was posts like it is Mirda, You're a piece of shit. Another one saying, quote, I don't have I don't have words to describe something like you, because calling you a person would be too much, And then another one quote, this awful thing who calls herself a Nazi was responsible for Pu's murder. Her and the others will rot in jail. End quote Wow, which gives us a hint to their ideology. I think these seemed like they were bad people because it's it was seen based on her profile that there was some sort of admiration for Nazis. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, Also they killed someone prior to that. Yeah, this did not counting that. Yeah, yeah, no, I see what you're saying. Yeah, also like but yeah. As for Edwin, Cafe three forty, the cafe he used to work at, they warned him by placing a black ribbon on their door. His former co worker said that he was an honest person who tried to keep out of trouble and that his interest in vampires was just a hobby and nothing more. That's so sad because he was like an emo. He probably trusted his friends because they were like him, and he just wanted to meet people like him. Then they go and do this shit to him. That's crazy, No, one hundred percent agree. After his funeral, his sister wrote, quote, don't be sad. I know it hurts that he's no longer with us. He's my brother and we're his family, and hurts us more than anyone, but we have something that comforts us. He always had words for us when we fell down, words of encouragement. I know as a sister that he wouldn't have wanted us to be so sad about his departure, and that kind of just speaks to the type of person he was. His friends were probably just fucking assholes who were looking to bully and mess with someone who was actually like a nice person, and they were like taking advantage of him. That's so sad. Yeah, yeah. And Edwin's family in France reject the prosecutors claimed that there was some sort of satanic or vampiric ritual that played a part in his murder. They don't believe that he would have willingly been part of a cult, and they stated that there's discrimination towards young people who dress in black, who used tattoos and piercens like Edwin did, and they're not wrong. They held at least one march to express their concerns about the narrative that the prosecutors were telling, and at some point there was a Facebook page called Tribute to Piwa that said more about him, Like where we could I could have like maybe learned more and shared more about who he was, but I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it. I tried searching for a long time. And yeah, so unfortunately there's like just not a lot of information about him that we could share, just what I shared. But yeah, that was the case of you Wa. I'm glad that his family is like speaking out and setting up for Edwin and for the emos, because I was gonna say, like, I feel like this group pushed back, not push back. They fell into the stereotype. They set back. That's what I'm looking for. Thank you so much. With our half of brain cell, we can do anything. But yeah, they set back even further the stereotype of emos as evil satanic worshippers, and who knows what was even true about that, but they're definitely not helping the images of emos in the image of emos in Mexico. Yeah, yeah, they made it worse. And yeah, I'm glad that his family was like trying to fight that narrative. And yeah, I mean a lot of people loved him. It's very clear from his sister's message and the coworkers mourning him. So yeah, just a young life loss, and he trusted the wrong people and these wrong horrible Nazi loving goth that's so it feels so quick, like yes, thank you goth or Emo. Sorry, I don't know, don't come, don't fight me. I know there's a difference, hence the famous goth emo war or was it punk emo? I don't remember in Mexico City. Yeah, I think it was goth and emos. I think it was. Yeah. Anyway, I know there's a difference. I don't know it. So I forgot what I was saying before. I'm actually not sure. I don't remember either anyway that was the case. Well maybe, yes, yes, we'll take a break here and come back with the spooky recommendations which we may or may not have, and we're back. Do you have a spooky recommendation? I do not same. I don't know what I've been doing. I've been listening to the Harvest of Empire and reading Now I Surrender. I haven't really I started watching the Urbs but I'm like, I watch it when I eat, and I guess I don't take the long eating anymore, or I've eaten a rush. Well, I eat a rush because I eat right before we record it, and that's when I started watching it yesterday. Yesterday, So I think I have like twenty minutes into the first episode. This is the show with Keith Palmer. Yeah, I was thinking about watching that. How was the first twenty minutes so far? Well, just setting things up, so but it was good so far. Interesting, Okay, there's a lot of like, I don't know you call it character actors. Maybe I don't remember her name, but they're like I recognized a lot of them. I'm en sure you would recognize them to like the neighbors, the people who play Oh, you know who's in it? Actually Nate from the Office, Oh my god, I love him. Yeah, he's one of the neighbors. Also call in from what We're do in the Shadows. Yeah, yeah, he's one of the neighbors. And then oh, one of the other ladies, who's a neighbor. Oh, I don't know if you watched ever watched Wine Country on Netflix. I heard about it, but I never saw it. I love that movie. But one of them is one of the neighbors too, the one who's a lesbian in one country. Okay, if you watch it, then you'll know who I'm talking about. I don't know name. Yeah, well I'll have to watch it so I know who you're talking about. Yeah, it's a good movie. No, I'll definitely check it out at some point. I well, okay, I went to go see I went to go watch one bet after another because I had Actually I went on and on about it on last Patreon. You did, right, Yeah, I did. I remember you talking about it, but I remember when or what it was when you were going to decide what movie to watch. Yes, I was trying to decide what OSCAR nominated movie to watch because my local theater had like them running. However, I mistakenly switched dates in my brain when I look these tickets up, and I actually missed the ones I wanted to see, and so the only one left to see was One Battle after Another, the one you said you weren't going to go watch. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean I heard good things about it, and you know, part of me did want to see it anyway, because Regina Hall is Na and so is Tiana Taylor. I feel like you told me Regina King before. Sorry, I confuse their names all the time. I met Regina Hall. Yeah, I just like the Regina King. Oh that's Regina Hall in it though I love Regina Hall. Yes, Regina Hall's in it, And so I was gonna go check it out for those reasons alone. Also Benthio and and I had first I have seen in n show reactions. Obviously it's an OSCAR nominated movie, Like you would think, this is a really well made movie. And movies are good. No, that's true. Some of them are like kind of like, I don't know, boring, and they're try hard like they're obviously obviously. Yeah. Yeah, so I was like I did. I went to go see it, and I had seen initial talks about it when it first came out of people saying this movie was a revolutionary movie, like about revolution. Mm hmmm, So what is it about? Give me the plot line? I think you told me before, but I forgot about. Okay, well, let me let me read you the actual like plot line that is given No, just the top of your head. No, please, fine, why did you say I wanted you to just tell me. Okay, please please, didn't funny. It was dumb. No, it was just dumb. When their enemy resurfaces after sixteen years, a group of ex revolutionaries reunite to rescue the daughter of one of their own, which is Regina. Leonardo DiCaprio's doctors make Asia Regina. No, she's one of the X Revolutionaries. Oh okay, okay. And for the reason why I think it was based on actually something, it's not right. It's a conveye up completing thing. Yeah, yeah, okay, although I will say it's from what I would say that the Tana Taylor's character, which is oh, Perfidia Beverly Hills, it's her name. She seems to very be very clearly be based on a Sata occur. Okay, I think I heard that, and that's why I thought it was based on like something. I think so, yeah, And you would think for someone based on her she it would be like better done. Because this is okay again, this is my feelings about it. Other people raved about it. The first twenty minutes of the movie was very hard for me to watch. The first thirty minutes, twenty twenty minutes, we're very difficult to watch. This is where we're setting up like the revolution when it was happening that Perfidia is the leader in one of the leaders of this revolution, and she comes from a long line of revolutionaries, and I could see she was clearly based on Asatsa Shakur, like the parallels are there. But Perfidia is like hyper sexual and I mean, I guess this could be perceived as like she is a strong, independent black woman who has agency over her sexuality, of course, and maybe this was supposed to be a celebration of that, But to me was like, this is hyper sexualization. I didn't care for it, like very melgazy or what. Yeah. Yeah, like she's like in places where no one would be horny, she was horny for It's like she was like horny for the revolution. Which fine, okay, fine that if that, Uh, I don't know what's saying this. I forgot it. Like it's like not to put my tongue rocks your boat. I don't know if that's what I was gonna saying. Sucks. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, fine, okay, but I didn't need to see it again and again and again. Really, So there's a part where Leonardo DiCaprio's character, Bob is he's like the ammunitions guy for the revolution, okay, and he's with Perfidia. Oh, they're together, but so he's like blowing something up. It's just going through, like them doing the revolution. It's the first one. So we see him and her like planning this thing and he sets like a bomb off and they're trying to run away from the bomb, but she's like, let's have sex right now. And it's like and they're trying to run away, Okay, I don't Yeah, that kind of stuff I forgot. I don't remember what book it was my friend was telling me about. And she's like they're running away from the murderer and then then they're horny and they just do it and I'm like, you're running for your life right now, like be realistic about it. Yeah. There's another part where he's explaining how they have to detonate this bomb and he she's not even paying attention because she's like so horny, and it's like pay attention, yes, girl, And sorry, there's like spoilers in this branch of mind about one battle after another because so then she ends up pregnant and somewhere in the first like Revolutionary Act, they come across Steven locke Jaw, who is Sean Penn's character. Whe every time he's on screen, I was like, yeah, of course he was disgusting, naturally. Yeah, But once you get past this twenty because then so then all that happens in the first twenty minutes, those are the first twenty minutes. What the fuck, I'm not watching it. And then Pervidia Pavidia leaves to Mexico and that's it. That's the only part she's in the movie. Oh really, Yeah, And so then we cut to like years have passed, and now that baby that she left is like sixteen or seventeen, seventeen, maybe seventeen, and it's her and Bob and their Sean Penn's character, at the same time has finally been able to join like some secret white organized Christian organization that is like the shadows of like the government, and he's like very proud to have been invited to be part of this. But they uncover that he might have a what they call, I don't know they use them really meant word, but like a mixed race child, and so he's like they can't find this. He doesn't know that they know, and so he makes up some reason to go invade where Bob and his daughter live, a pretense of like gangs or drug trafficking. They go and they take the full force of the military to this town. They round up Mexicans, Latin Americans, immigrants to deport as they're carrying out this operation. But his wanting to be there is to find her to do a paternity test, to see is this my daughter or not. If it is, I need to get rid of her. Yes. And so that part of the movie was good because then we see Benicio Toro and the most revolutionary part of this movie. He is another revolutionary and he is like a sanctuary for migrants. He has a network where he I don't want to watch it. I think just for that he alone was worth it. That is the most The Mexican American fight in this movie is the most revolutionary thing. They have a system of like hiding immigrants. They he calls him, He's like, hey, we got to go to the tunnel right now. Gather everyone. They gather all underground, like these families. Yes, and you see all that playing now in the background. But like the actual story is Bob searching for his daughter because she is taken at some point, like like Sean Penn takes her. Regina, Yeah, Regina Hall's character goes and tells her like, hey, I'm like I was part of Little the Revolution. I know your dad, I knew your mom. You need to come with me because Sean Penn is on his way and the girl does, but then he finds them and he takes he takes her, and so the whole time, Yeah, Bob is his This is his journey to rEFInd her, to reunite with her, and he's like this super stoner, not like infighting spirits anymore, and he has to like step up to do this right. But this is their journey, this is their story. This is not a movie about revolution. The revolution is in the background. And again the most revolutionary thing is Bensi la doro, his arc in the movie, which was like it is worth it just to see them. He's so good in this role, and I wish there would have been more Regina Hall. She was so underutilized and like, I wish there was more of her. She was really good and the girl the daughter was also really good, and so like overall, I don't regret having seen this movie, but those first twenty minutes were so uncomfortable for me, and I might cut some of this because I was so long. I mean, that's how I felt about it. I know people were raving about it, but it's not it's for sure not. I actually heard more criticisms of it than not, I think, because that's what the type of stuff you follow. Yeah, but yeah, if you want to see like a movie about revolution, people taking up arms against the opressors, and for sure to watch Bakuao. Now that's a movie about room. All right, and okay, this brings us to the end of the episode. All right, Well, thank you for listening. Watch out for Gurro. Yeah and yes, thanks for listening, and we'll catch every one next time. Bye bye. As Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen and with the help of Don Shout Out Don. 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