South American Cryptids and the Case of Marcelo Lucero

Hi, this is Christina and Carmen. And this is another episode of a Spooky Towns, a podcast for all things as spooky true crime Latin America. And oh, I was like, you're like getting worse at these intros. I don't know what. I didn't think that was that bad. Maybe it's just me right now, I don't know. I think you has been a bitch right now. Just because I told you to hurry up doesn't mean I'm being a bitch. You're right, it was not your best intro. Okay, you're right, you're right. Let me redo it. No, make you more upset. Your eye shadow looks cute. Thanks. I wanted to be on theme for Christmas. I love it. What does your Christmas water say? It says the struggle is real? And then it has Santa like that's you right now. He's like stuck and the fireplace. Yeah, I'm stuck in the metaphoric fireplace of hell. You are? Yeah? Mine is just Darth Vader. Nice. Yeah, Okay, well today we have some cryptids yeah, and some that we've never heard of. When I thought we had them all, I'm like, of course we didn't. There's always more, of course not. Yeah, yeah, and I have a very infuriating depressent case. Ohn. Yeah. But first before all that, we have a listeners story and if you want to send a story to us, you can email Espakitas at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of our socials, you can submit it on Discord, you can call the espoogy hotline. All of that is in the show notes. We love receiving your story, so please send them in. All right, are you ready to read this one? Yeah? So this is from the discord from alo Vera. I was around seven years old. I don't remember much of my childhood, but this is one of my most vivid memories. I was having a sleepover at my cousin's house, nothing new at that time. My aunt helped my mom a lot with babysitting and whatnot. The apartment complex they lived in at the time is owned by my grandpa, so I've always had family live in it and would spend a lot of time there as a kid. I remember going asleep one night and woke up sometime in the middle of the night, and it was that kind of state where you're half asleep, half awake. I started seeing it will look like black smoke coming out of the closet. I thought that was weird, so I blinked, and after it quickly started moving towards me. That's when I rubbed my eyes, and when I opened them, the black smoke had turned into the shape of a little girl. Oh no, for a second, she stood in front of the closet entrance and then started moving her way towards me. I didn't see her feet moving. Instead, I saw her floating. Her apparition was also glitching or moving in slow motion. I remember it all felt very slow. When she got close enough to me, a wave of fear overcame me and I shut my eyes to avoid seeing her up close. When I opened my eyes, she was gone. Years later, another aunt moved in there. She's been there for fifteen years now and has shared many paranormal experiences with us. Apparently a little girl haunts the apartment and is frequently heard and seen. Knowing this since shows down my spine. But at least I know I wasn't crazy when I saw her. That is so creepy, But also, yeah, that's like validation that you weren't crazy. You did see a little girl. Like, it's not just you, it's the whole family. Also, tell your aunt to send us her stories. Yeah please, wow that Yeah, that's that was creepy. Thank you so much for setting that in. Do you want to start? Yeah, let's get into these cryptids. So first up, we have a dire dan deo. Soo was first spotted in nineteen eighty one by an indigenous hunter named Ditson Sosa, who belonged to the Beemon tribe native to Venezuela. Theo is described as a cryptid cat with long things, maroon fur, large claws, and said to look like an extinct sabertooth tiger. The cryptid is known to be timid and mostly survives off eating danta, which is why the locals named it El Dio. It's like an ant eater. It says to pyrus, to pirris, to pirrus. Yeah, that's what it says. According to Sosa, he spotted the cryptid during the dry season in nineteen ninety one while on a three day hunting trip up the Carau River in Venezuela. Sos That claims the large cat was long thinged. The short tailed, unpatterned cat the size of a jaguar and emerged from a thicket to drink from a pool of water. The animal appeared stealthily and vanished cautiously. People who Sosa spoke to about his sighting were intrigued by what he saw and were determined to figure out what he saw. So one individual showed Sosa a photo of a samelodon, which is a sabertooth tiger, which Sosa said look like the animal he saw, which is impossible since that species of a tiger is extinct and last from the Earth about ten thousand years ago. Another sighting also happened just before nineteen ninety six, but it's unclear if it was an Ecuador or Columbia. The person who spotted the large cat like cryptid was a French traveler named Piquet. I feel like it's probably pronounced different, but I don't know Piquette, Piquet, Piquet. It's spelled p i c q u e t cut piquet anyway, Piquette who told? Peter? Who told? Peter Mathison, an American novelist, wilderness writer, and one time CIA agent. He told Peter that he spotted a large cat with large things and roaming the wilderness for a minute. Peter believed that perhaps Piquett might have spotted a prehistoric animal that has been instinct for several years, but then came to the conclusion that Piquett most likely confused a large creature with another animal. Cryptozoologists Gustavo Sanchez Rometo also heard similar stories from locals when he visited Venezuela's Kanaima National Park. Ometo passed on what he heard to fame the British zoologists and cryptozologist Carl Schucker, who was wary about believing the story he was told since he also knew that cybertooth tigers have long been extinct. According to Sugar, the only or chikar I don't know, remember what I said last time? Anyway, According to the Sky, the only way this type of animal could survive in South America is if perhaps it was a smaller version of the prehistoric animal that might be living in the remote mountains and cloudy areas of South America where they can come camouflage with its surroundings, which might be possible. In twenty seventeen, a resident of Madre de Diosperu named David Anahill told explorer Bill Gibbons that a large brown sabertooth cat was known to exist in the northern and central forests. You know, this could be encrypted, or this could be a scentant of a long time extinct sabertooth tiger. So yeah, and there's so much that we don't know. Yeah, like one hundred percent could be uh, I mean how many stories are there of like indigenous people seeing don't know what is it called? Like for some indigenous groups in like the North America region have stories like oral traditional stories that they have passed on of living with some not like you know, the dinosaurs dinosaurs, but some sort of dinosaur. And for the longest time, scientists were like, that's not possible. Humans and dinosaurs did not co exist. And then like two ish years ago, there was evidence that there was some indigenous groups that did coexist with some some sort of dinosaurs. Basically, oh really, yeah, wow, I never heard that new piece of science. Yeah. I came across it on TikTok Oh And it's real because I remember seeing indigenous creators were like, see, our people have said these stories forever, and now here's this scientific, scientific study that says this. So it's like, it's not that far fetched to me that there's a distant relative of a savor toooth. Yep, there and people are seeing it, but they don't know what they're seeing. So like this the cryptid interesting. Interesting. So our next cryptid is uku Mad. Have you heard of it? No? Okay? So eluku Mad is a giant humanoid cryptid known for terrorizing northern Argentina and Chile terrorist okay. The locals have nicknamed the cryptid uku Mad after its howls that allegedly sound like the creature is screaming. Ooh, I don't know, okay, I don't know how to say it. Please ooh ooh ooh, I don't know. Maybe it's uh uho okay or ooh ooh ooh ooh. Sorry sorry people, Yeah, we're sorry. The bear like humanoid has been described as being around five feet seven inches tall. Okay, short king, Yeah to me, that's tall to us anyone any Yeah that's to everyone else that's short, but yeah okay. So yeah, the uku Mad is like five feet seven inches tall with thick hair, small eyes. Okay, I was like, wow, thick care okay, as I say, thick hair, big little beady eyes. Okay, No, I don't like it anymore. Yeah, No, huge arms and legs and it's a local plant known as bayo to survive okay vegetarian. The ucu mad was first sighted in nineteen fifty eight by a group of campers in it Angle, Chile. Actually I don't know if it's it Angkole or dangle, but there it was there, Chile. The campers told authorities that they saw would look like a half man, half ape in the wilderness. Surprisingly, the authorities took the report seriously and sent police to investigate the area. One why You witness named Carlos Manuel Soto told police that he had seen a large man covered in hair well in the Cordilleras. Prior to this iowaness account, geologists found seventeen inch long human like footprints on the Argentine side of the Andes and in Las Alta, Argentina, in both nineteen fifty six in nineteen fifty seven, So seventeen inch human like footprints. That's like obviously over a foot well yeah foot, yeah, yeah, pretty big, pretty big. After the findings, Dolor Grande locals began to tell newspaper reporters that eerie sounds could be heard from the Kuruguru Mountains on a nightly basis. These noises caused many sleepless nights for many residents who believe the sounds were coming from the Ukumar. In twenty twenty two, the Argentine newspaper A Tribuno Salta conducted an interview with a Ba Kiano, who lives and works the land in El gardin Argentina, which is a rural area in the province of Santa and here's told reporters. I heard something walking closer towards me, and then from the corner of my eye, I saw a dark figure step out from behind the bushes. When I turned around to stare at it, it was only five meters away from me, and well, to be honest, I didn't know what to do. All I did was step behind a tree and point my weapon at it. I was trying to decide if I should shoot or not, so I stood there with my weapon pointing at it for a little while, when suddenly the creature started to retreat at the very moment that I had my weapon pointed at it. I was not scared, but after the interaction I was a bit shaken up and felt like something continued to follow me. I couldn't get the creature's image out of my mind. So I turned back again and there it was, but this time about fifty meters away. I didn't want to risk interacting with it, so I kept walking. It looked like a large animal, and it looked similar to a monkey, but at the same time it also looked like a human. It also had a lot of black fur, and it had colored eyes. Some people love that, yeah, shockingly, Damos claims he saw the creature three more times after that. Oh my god, it was It liked him, yeah, I guess, so he wanted to be seen by him well. And he also claimed to see the female version of the creatures. So he saw two of them. Oh there's more than one. I thought it okay, there's a boy and a girl, and then they fell in love. According to Ramost, the female Gumar looked a bit similar dinner and had lighter colored fur. Damo said he and a few others also went in search of the creatures a few years later after the initial sighting, and came across what looked like the creatures home hidden in caves in the mountains. He was never aggressive towards me, but I heard from other locals that at times he has been aggressive towards them. One time, I was fishing with a friend when we saw what looked like a dog sitting on a rock and that we were approaching by the water. As we got closer to it and instead began to look like a lion or a bear to me. Then all of a sudden, it stood up and I realized it was the ukuma. I warned my friend so he could be cautious, but he got startled and scared the creature off, who ran up the hill. We thought the coast was clear, but then the creature threw a big rock at my friend from the top of the mountain. It moved really fast. I was not expecting that, and then almost also said, I'm convinced the creature only bothers those who bother it. But if you leave it alone, it'll leave you alone. That sounds right. I was gonna before you said it through the rock, I was gonna say, see, it's more scared of us than we are of it. And then it threw the rock, and I was like, never mind, but the friend startled it so kind of the friends started it. True. True, you're right, You're right. When asked if he's open to seeing the creature again, Ramos told a reporter that, unlike other times, he would like to bring a camera with him next time he goes looking for the Yukumaar so he could stamp a picture of it and prove to everyone that it's real. And somehow that camera is just going to fail. Oh yeah, but yeah, that's it. That's the Oh my god. I don't say the cryptids like crap, the crap like damn at least like what you're reading. I am, what's going on? Those are the cryptids from today. I just can't talk, apparently, I guess when I'm really tired, I can't talk. Yeah. Yeah, I'm more inclined to believe the first one than the kuman. Yeah. Sometimes it's people looking things are like some sort of monkey that we just don't know, like some sort of primate, you know. Yeah, I guess it could be. But honestly, I believe anything, So I believe in both of them. I don't want to run into them, that's for sure. Same. Okay, Well, we'll take a quick ad break here and then when we come back, we'll get into my depressing house case and we're back again. My case is infuriating and it does involve well, we'll just get into it. We'll just get Is there any mornings you want to give people? Well, someone's murdered. I'm sorry, but nothing more than that. I don't think just murder today, yeah, just murder. But it does involve the murder of an undocumented person by a citizen. I hate crime. Yeah, no, I'm just getting everything now. Wow wow wow wow, yeah all right, so man. Yes. On November eighth, two thousand and eight, two world clash, a group of white teens from an all American town, all American high school, all flag star football members or teams whatever, team players, that's the word. I'm looking for, football players, red flag, all American town, red flag. It's it's in Texas. No, actually, okay, okay, yeah right, that's the last thing we needed for the trifecta. These teens attack two undocumented men today. I'm Karina murder of Marcelo Lucero. Have you heard of this? I don't think so. I was shocked. Let me share how I came across this. First One night, I just couldn't sleep, and sometimes I start looking for whatever is available on Libby to start reading, and then I know I'm not going to find directed. Oh I do finish, yeah, but yeah, that's how I came across this book and how I learned about this kids, because I had no idea how this happened. So Marcello was born in Guaalaceo, a small town in Ecuador, and like so many others, he left to support his family. His father died when he was eight, and he became the main breadwinner of the family in right around middle school. That is so young, so young, yeah, and a very common story. This led him to leave his hometown at the age of twenty one to try and help his family more by heading to the USA. So Marcello left home on November two, nineteen ninety three, around eight am with one thousand dollars in his back pocket and two sets of clothing and a small backpack. That's what he took with him. His sisters and brothers all lined up to hug him goodbye. When he got to his mom to hug her goodbye, he lowered his head so she could give him mund On a blessing, and at first she didn't want him to go because that was her oldest boy. It was like they were literally attached at the hip. He would follow her all over the house, like when she was doing chores. He was literally like just right behind her, also doing chores actually, but just always with his mom. And so he had actually tried to make the trip once before, and he asked his mom for help to ask around if anyone would let him borrow money so he can save up the to leave, and she was like, no, no one's helping you, but that's because she didn't want him to leave. She didn't even ask anyone. But the second time, they really needed it, like they needed the money, and so his sister talked to his mom to help her convince her that he needed to go to the US. It's something that he wanted to do to help them. When he was leaving, everyone and including him, everyone was crying, Yeah, such a sad thing, Like I can't Yeah, it's not obviously not the same feeling, but I feel like whenever I leave Mexico, I am so sad to leave everyone. Yeah, and just imagine that meaning like ten times more like yeah, yeah, no, I was gonna say the same thing. So, after a very long journey, he arrived in the town of patchog Long Island, and so many have migrated from Gua Lasao to Patchog. That Gua Laso is now known as Little Patchog. Really that's interesting. It's so interesting to see where people from what towns, where they in what countries? Yeah, where they end up. A lot of Ecuadorians end up in the east coast, uh and that town specifically, it was like I forget of the like it was like a number of that year that I from the book, but it was like of these five thousand people that migrated, like four thousand ended up in Patchog, Like it was that specific that everybody just goes there, which is it was just wild. Yeah to see that. Then, yeah, he went there too. So he worked different low paying jobs over the years. Most of that money he did send back home because all of this was to help them. And so thanks to his money, his family was able to buy some land and build a three story house. And like in his childhood there were nice he had to go hungry because they had no food. Wow, they were so poor, and now they had a three story house like because of him. Amazing. Yeah, his mom, his sister, and nephew all lived there and he was so excited and to be able to do this for them. He had been working for so long and at age thirty seven, he was tired. He now wanted to go back home be more present in his nephew's life. He had just told his brother Rosselo that it was time for him to go back to their hometown, and Hosselo even said he would take them to their airport. He was planning on leaving just before Christmas as a present for his mom, like he was the Christmas present, and it's like that would have been beautiful, but unfortunately he never got to leave. He didn't get to No, I hate this world. Cry, I'm probably gonna cry. That's a point immigration starts, of people never getting to go back home. It's something that just like hugely affects both of us. Yeah yeah, yeah, so there might we might cry and I don't care, but yeah, Hoselo never got to give his brother that ride to the airport because, uh, November eight doesn't eight. Marcelo called his friend and Helocha, who side note had was also from Wassaleo and grew up with Marcelo. They knew each other since they were five, so he called him to go out that night and and Hell at first was like, I don't feel like it. But Marcelo signed lonely and like he anxious, he needed to be with someone and so and he agreed. And like I said, they were friends from childhood, they their moms were friends, and so he could tell his friend needed him that day. In the book it goes more into detail on their lives back in Ecuador and all that, but he could tell, yeah, that Marcello needed him. So the Para friends went to dinner. They had a few beers, they smoked, some wheed together, and then they parted ways. It was getting late and they knew it was dangerous for Latino men to be out past a certain time because during this time like a fun downtown is that they call them. So pretty much like very similar because from this year there was a spike of hate crimes on Latinos. Remind me of what year this is. It's a late ninety two thousand and eight, dude, that's like kind of recent, Like yeah, it's not high school during that time, Like yeah for it to be like I knew it was recent, but my mind, I hear that, my mind go to like the fifties, right, that's wild, Like it's not well, it's obviously it happens, but like it's just it's just I can't comprehend it. I guess because I because we grew up in Oakland, right and right, you know, it's such a diverse city. I guess you could say. I mean, like we said, didn't feel othered until I came to Modesto, and even then it's a very Mexican Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's it's just odd to me. But yeah, they're having a spike in hate crimes towards Latinos, which a lot of a lot of it went unreported because they feared reporting it because of their undocumented status. What's going on around this time? It was youre like a like a spike, oh immigrant minutemen the oh right, I'm sorry again, I thought this was in the late nineties. We're talking this time period of anti immigration rhetoric rising. You're right, You're right. In my mind again, I was like in the nineties, but it was two thousand and eight, yeah, all to well, and certain someone from Arizona was making the rounds on the news during this time. Yeah. And also at the same time, people were more and more migrants were leaving the cities where they all you know, usually lived the big cities and heading towards these little towns like Patchog and so there was suddenly an increase in immigrants. And so then all these white people were like afraid because oh my god, look at these to them as Mexicans. Yeah yeah, And so there had been a bunch of attacks on Latino men and the surrounding small towns and that town. But more they they thought it happened more in like this bigger town that was next to them. So they were like aware, but they hadn't personally seen it. But and Hill was like, you know what, we shouldn't be out this late. What tech did you say or do do you not say? This is around? Say then yeah, we gotta go. And so they were walking to friend's house when they saw seventeens walking toward them. Seventeens yes, seven, I'm sorry because it sounds like seventeenagers right myself. Okay, that's why I said teenagers. Now, see adolescentis yes, seven youth seven street youth youths. Yeah. Yeah. So they were walking toward them and they looked like trouble right away, like they were up to no good. And next thing they knew Ankhela and Marcello were surrounded by these teens. They didn't know at the time, but these teens were Anthony Hartfold, Jordan Dash, Christopher Olverton, Nicholas Hajsh, Kevin Shea, Jeffrey Conroy, and Jose Pacheco. Jose, I hope you're in hell right now. No, because what are you doing there? Jose? He was a half Puerto Rican half black. Oh my god, I cannot. The rest of them are white. So all of them star athletes from the local high school. On paper, seemingly good, all American teens, right again, red flag, oh to me and you. Yeah. So three of the teens began to yell insults at Ankel and Marcello. They yelled things like fucking Mexicans, beanners, fucking illegals, you come to this country to take our money. You get out of this country. They're not even Mexican, but to them, they don't care. I know, Oh my god. And first of all, it's like take over, Like, bitch, you're seventeen, you don't work, you don't contribute to this. You're not supporting a family like they are, Like what are you doing? You play football? Yeah, you're just repeating that hateful rhetoric that you hear from the horrible adults in your life who are all pieces of shit, and they're raising little pieces of shits. Yeah, not to mention like you and I know this, but like there's some countless studies that have proven that immigrants are good for the economy. Yes, and even if they weren't, like stopping into the fucking hater no, even if though they are, Yeah, but but there are. But so yeah, they were yelling things like that, Marcello and I hell yelled back, and Marcello took off his jacket like he was getting ready to fight. That's when one of the teens, Kevin Shaya, punched him and then they all started to swing. After that, I kid was able to escape because their plan was not to fight back. They were like, let's just run, but Marcello was like, no, I'm fighting. He's sending it for himself. But just like hindsight, like but he don't know, he didn't expect no, you know, of course did on he'll expect to be none of them. But yeah, so I had like an heel, played a lot of basketball back in their little hometown of Guileo, and so he did this insanely high jump to get away from them. Wow, and like he like jumped, tucked and roll and hid behind like a house and he kept yelling for marcel to follow. But even if Marcello wanted, at that point he was surrounded, he couldn't get away. God. And you know if ann Hill would have stepped back in to defend or try to help, he would have been killed too. Yeah yeah, God, I just already have chisen. I'm already like so sad. Yeah. Yeah. Marcello was on the floor and the teens were all kicking him. Marcello tried to fight back, even on the floor, like he was like trying, Like this is so likeable, you know what I mean, Like I remember, I feel like I know, like jumping and stuff like that occurs obviously like everywhere, but I feel like one of the things that like and even when our dad like told us and taught us about fighting, right and like something I don't know like I feel and Okay, also like in Friday, right when I feel like you don't know where I'm going with this and I don't know where you're going with this, And in Friday when Ice Tube is about to shoot, what's his name, you know, the big tall guy, the villain of the movie got his name. Yes, yeah, and then yeah, I think so it sounds right. And then his dad as keep his dad is like no, like the gun is for cowards, like fight like a man, like fight right, and like the same thing like our dad told us, like like about fighting fair. And it's like this code I guess of the street that people used to follow somewhat I don't know. Yeah, it was to fight fair, yeah, fight fair. And in what Marcello was trying, he was following that, yes, yeah, that code. Yeah, but the Seventh Street youths hooligan, these wild hooligans who have no respect for people, who are hateful and discussing little ships and I don't know, are from the bourb some brutal, fucking hicktown sorry not sorry, and have no loyalty, no respect and no code. They didn't follow that, you know what I mean, And they say that weird, you know, the brown people are the savages, like no, yeah, oh yeah, okay, I was wondering where you were going with that. But now that that's there, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. So yeah, this whole time he's trying to fight back at some point the teams back away from him. Marcello was able to stand up and he took off his belt and started swing it to try and defend himself with his belt buckle, like trying to just keep them away. And when he did this, Kevin Shaya, one of the teens, yelled for the rest of them to surround Marcelo, and as they were closing in on him, Marcello continued to swing his belt to try and get away, and his belt ended up hitting Jeffrey Conroy. This made Jeffrey Conroy super mad, and he's like, he pulled out his knife and all I say, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no, Also just like let this man go. You got hit when you're jumping him exactly. He wouldn't have felt the need to do that if it wasn't seven against one, you know what I mean? Yeah, but no, Jeffrey stabbed Marcello in the between his shoulder and chest is where he stamped him. And so then after he did that, Jeffrey yelled like we have to go, we have to leave, and so they all ran off, leaving Marcello on the floor and Hell was afraid that their attackers would come back. And he was trying to yell from where he was hiding, like Marcello, come here, come here, Marcelo, Marcello. Imagine him witnessing this. Yeah, it's it's terrible. And then it's having the hope that his friends arrived. Yeah. Yeah, he never saw other knife. He could only that's why he had thought. Yeah, yeah, like oh they're gone now, like come on, come here, come here. Meanwhile, the teens walked off. They were all talking to each other like, oh, we'll help you get rid of the knife to Jeffrey Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy for amusing refuse, but he did clean it off in a puddle and put it back in his pocket, probably planning to further use this on more Latino men, like he had of violence on his mind. Yeah. Blood. So in the meantime, back with ang Helen, Marcelo and He'll continued to call to his friend, and he also hoped someone had overheard everything and called the police. No one had. Marcello surprisingly was able to get up. He staggered towards Ankel and that's finally when a saw just his shirt soaked in blood, and Marcello fell into his arms. And as he fell he was like, I'm not okay, call nine one one. That's when Ah had tried to get his phone to call nine one one, but his phone was dead. It was he was able to call, and then it died. They tried calling him back, there was no answer, so he had to leave Marcello like lay him down and run to the friend's house that they were heading to, which was right there, luckily, but they had to leave him there run to tell his friend to call nine one and he did. They arrived like eightish minutes later something like that. When the cops arrived, they took their time helping Marcello. Akeel was begging, like help him, help him with his broken English, begging them to help, but because they don't care, no TP all day. I swear to God, like, I yeah, I'm done. I'm really I'm not listening to the rest of this believing. No, you have to. I wrote it all and I'm upset too, so you have to hear it, Okay, So they the officers continued to uh interrogate I head about the attackers instead, and you know, after some a ton of begging on his part, ridiculous, one officer finally walked to his car grabbed a rag, but then he just threw it on Marcello's wound. Dude, what the fuck is wrong with these assholes? I don't, I don't you know what? I don't know? Wait? Am I wrong? There is right, a fairly recent Supreme Court ruling that basically said the cops don't have to help us. There is right. There is after that woman was being stocked and they didn't reinforce the restraining order, and that's when the ruling came from that case. So literally, there's no point of calling them because they're not here to help us. They don't honesty, he I think he wanted an ambulance. Yeah, yeah, So this officer grabbed a rack threw it on Marcellos's wound, although a year later in court, he testified that he applied pressure to the wound, but I didn't also, Yeah, yeah, I had maintained his story that they didn't do anything, and I believe him. I believe him too fully. Yeah. Then officers forced on him to go with them to the station to further interrogate him about he's being treated like a criminal when he's the victim of a crime. And this is so typical, so typical. Oh yeah, so when he left, the ambulance still hadn't arrived. Turns out it took them thirty minutes to get there. Apparently this is a very tiny town. All the ambulance like force. They're all volunteers except one person. My god, And because they're all volunteers, like, it's a little iffy with their certifications and what they can and can't do. So the ambulance that eventually did arrive was not certified to do any life advance support the point, yeah, what is the point of even having them? I understand, like he placed to hell limited resources, but no place should have limited resources like that. No, no, of course not. The one person that was qualified to do advanced life support had an inactive license. Wow, his license lapsed and so he had to he wasn't allowed to do anything. So they would have been there for days to transform him. Yeah, pretty much. Eventually they did get him onto the ambulance, but they also had to stop and pick up the only actual person that could do anything because they were licensed. Oh my god. Would not have been faster to just go to the hospital, Like how far is it? Like? How far is the hospital? I feel like there's not even a local hospital hospital was four miles away. It would have been so much faster. They just got him to the freaking hospital. Wow. They also because of his wound, they decided that he needed a high, higher level of care that their hospital would have provided, and they prepared like this evac by air. But by the time that they got to the high school where the landings for the helicopter would have been, Marcello was no longer His heart wasn't beating anymore. And so at that point the air metavac is going to do. They're not gonna take him. He needs to have like a pulse. Yeah, I'm so upset. Maybe if they would have taken not taken as long. Yeah, no, one hundred percent, Like this is this is not like a stab wound to the cranium, Like this is a stab wound too, But there was like so many like missteps intentionally by the cops who could have provided pressure to the wound. Yeah, and they didn't because they don't give a buck. And then this this would have been like yeah its people. Yeah, yeah, but this is an injury, but it's not like it shouldn't have been life threatening. He could have survived. Yeah, he could have. So because now that he couldn't be air metovac, they had to go back to the hospital. Oh my god, just wasting more time of his So basically it took him over an hour to get to a hospital that was a mile four miles away. This is like the most stupid and competition shit I've heard, like in a long time. Yeah. So by the time they were able to get him into the hospital and all that, it was too late. He was announced course dead at one on nine am. Yeah, I'm sorry, Like his death is on the hands of course of those seventeenagers, also on the cops and honestly the ambulance people, because they did act incompetently. Like I know, they're trying their best, but their best is not good enough. Yeah, And I'm like, okay, one of you could have at least like applied pressure. You didn't have to. I don't know. It's just crazy to me. And I mean it's crazy to me because I mean I was a medic and yeah, me, and this is something that we could have handled as medics in the army. Yeah, And it's just wild to me that someone responding to a nine on one call in an ambulance couldn't have to take care of this, Like, yeah, I don't understand. So, yeah, he he passed away at one on nine am. During all this, the teens were picked up. Not it was very fast. They were picked up like minutes after the police, right because they weren't even far from the location. The description. Also, I don't understand why. And he even needed to go to the police station because they needs right away off the description No, yeah too, just because they were treating him like a like a criminal. Yeah, And they walked up to the teens all nice and they're like, what are you guys doing now? So Donald's households. Jeffrey Conroy, the one who stabbed at Marcello, walked up to one of the cops and he told him I stabbed that Mexican. Again, he's not a Mexican. Not all that denos are Mexican. Okay. Yeah, he straight up confessed to him on site and then he was like, all right, well do you have the knife? He took it out. He's like, but that knife's not bloody, like trying to say, are you sure you stabbed this man? Literally just confessed and now you're trying to him. Yeah, they're trying to talk about his confession, so they took him into the station. Good at this. At the station, Jeffrey Conroy asked, what are the detectives if this was going to be a problem for wrestling season. Fucking idiot. Of course, yeah, your ass is gonna be in jail hopefully. The detective was like, buddy, forget about wrestling season. You've got bigger problems. Stupid, it's so stupid, but it's like, these are idiot, like little teenagers who don't think things through. You pair that with racist asks, xenophobic beliefs, and violence. Fuck yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So during Jeffrey Conroy's interrogation, they found out that the teens did this regularly. This was something they called beaner hopping or Mexican hopping. Oh my god, which is basically beating anyone up to them that to them look like a Mexican. Wow. Yeah, did this at least once a week. Oh my god. This just happened to be the first person that killed Yeah. It was somewhere during a break of interrogating Jeffrey that one of the detectives stepped out and Anghelo was finally being led. He was finally a was still there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so as he was walking out, he asked, hey, is my friend okay, and that's when he found out he was not alive anymore. The detective was like, I'm sorry he didn't make it. He could have been with his friend in his final moments, but instead the stupid comps decided to treat him like a criminal when he was a victim of these violent teenagers and they held him there for no reason. Hm. So Marcello passed away at one on nine am. This was around four am. That's when he finally went out. What happened to his friend? I can't believe it. As the rest of the teams were interrogated, more and more came out. They had been responsible for an earlier attack on a different undocumented man earlier that day involving the bb gun. Luckily no one was seriously hurt, and the Marimo came out they had been responsible for several attacks over several months on different men in this area. Wow, again, this is what they did for fun. Look for people that to them looked Mexican and attack them. There was a service held in Patchog on November fifteenth, one week after Marcello's's murder. For Marcello, four hundred and fifty two people attended wow the service because it wor got out about this being a hate crime right away, and how he was getting ready to leave, like he wasn't even going to be here anymore. That is so horrible. Yeah, it took more than thirty minutes to get his coffin into the hearset to transport because people were just surrounding it trying to pay their respects. The body of Marcello Lucero arrived in Guallaceo on November nineteenth, a Wednesday, and a coffin draved with the flag of Ecuador. It had arrived in Quito first, then transported two hundred miles to Guallaceo. In Guallaceo, people received his body holding signs in Spanish that said no toy racism, no human being is illegal and Ecuadora is a country of peace. There was a three day procession in his honor. Hundreds of people walked alongside him. His friends took turns carrying his casket and hundreds of people walked alongside. The mayor called for a for three days of morning and people were giving a day off to go to the funeral, and the whole town was at his funeral. This part destroyed me. No, I'm not ready, mies already, watery. I know this is why I want you. I want you, so okay, hold on, let me take a few break. Okay, okay, okay, all right. When Marcello's mom, doniar Ro Sadrio, saw her son in the casket, she didn't recognize him because he had left a young, thin man with you know, a bunch of hair, her luscious black hair acne. Yeah, because he was twenty twenty one and this person in the casket was now a grown man, taller than she remembered, a lot less hair, more wrinkles. Again, look in my eyes now, brought tishoes with me. It's just it just hits so, it hits so close to home. I just remember my mom, our mom, my mom my mom. I just remember our mom telling us how she couldn't recognize our siblings because they were children, and now they had children, and now those children are all adults. Yeah, and it's not how she left them, you know. And to her, they even though she saw pictures, she saw videos, to her, they were still the same age from she left, and so I can only imagine what Dona Rosadio was feeling when this is not the person that she said goodbye to all those years ago. It was so upstigning. It is it is he was laid to rest on the first floor of the house that he so proudly built for his family. That now those our tissue palls. So okay, Now back to these fuckheads, these shit asses. Six of the seventeenagers who attacked Lucetto were arraigned in the Soffolk County Criminal Court. They were charged with multiple counts of gain, assault and hate crimes, not only for Lucetto's death, but also for other assaults that were committed against other Latino men et Torcierra, Octavio Cordobo. The judge sent bail for five of the seventeens at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars cash or five hundred thousand dollars bond. Chris Overton, one of the teens, was denied bail because he previously he had a previous felony conviction for the two thousand and seven bulgar le Oh my god, burglary, yes burglary, thank you of an other immigrant A Jamaican immigrant. They broke into Jamaican immigrant mother who was working like two jobs. Wow, so he already had that felony. And the teenagers, one by one they were let into the courtroom. Their friends and parents were there like on their side still and Luscetto's family and friends were also there. The other person, the seventh that was now part of that group, was charged one week later with second degree murder and manslaughter as a heat crime. That was Jeffrey Conroy who stamned him. He received a harsher sentence because he's actually stammed him. He had also partaken in the attacks of the two other men, and that was tacked on to him as well. All these teens pleaded not guilty. Like, what do you mean, it's all there, you confessed, Bob Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy's father felt like the treatment of his son and the teens was unfair. Fuck you and your son truly a shit. You created this monster, you bitch. Yeah, it's where did he learn these beliefs? You know? Yeah, obviously somewhere, so his father, Bob Conroy said. The following jeff was ostracized by the press. He was used as a poster boy. Of everything that's wrong with this country about legal immigration. It all fell on the back of teenagers, on my son's back. Well maybe they should have done what they did, sir, how about that side note? But his precious boy, his son has a Swazika tattoo on his diye from this or from prison? No, before all this? Okay, Wow, I'm shocked. Yeah, I mean like I shouldn't be, but I am. Wow. Yeah, and again is the funny you and your son? Yeah, probably your dad too. Yeah. On April nineteen ten, Jeffrey Conroy was found guilty if manslaughter as a hate crime and ging assault. He was also convicted of the attempted assault on three other Latino men and separate incidents that took place in the summer of the same year two thousand and eight. He was acquitted of the second degree murder as a hate crime because that would have put him in prison for life. What the fuck? Why? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Stupid jury. Probably. Yeah. He's currently serving time at the Clinton Correctional Facility in Danimora, New York. When the sentence was read, Bob Conroy yelled, he was fucking seventeen. You think this is mercy for crying out loud. He doesn't deserve mercy. Dow the fuck at him. I'm procartle state right now. He does not deserve it. He was out for blood that night. He found two victims and he killed one of them. He doesn't deserve it. In his first attack on Latino man and he has a swatka. Yeah excuse me, literally, white supremacist. Why else would you get that time? Oh, all of a sudden, he deserves mercy, Like I'm sorry, no, why no? Why? Yeah? What about Marcello, you know exactly like he took someone's life, Yeah, on purpose, because what do you do when you stab somebody? You know what I mean? Like I understand legally it's not murder. Oh but yeah, you know, I don't care he killed someone intentionally. He wasn't even that close to like so you know, Marcello was looking the bell and he was walking as he was swinging. So after he got hit, Marcello continued to move and Jeffrey Conroy had to pull out his knife and then walk several feet with his knife in front of him, like leading the way, like wow, So it was even like a quick like oh bam, let me take out my knife. Like he had to walk several feet with a knife in his hand in order to stab Marcello. Marcello's back was facing Jeffrey Conroy and he quickly turned around as if he sensed what was about to happen, and that's when he was stabbed in the shoulder, sash, chest. But he was he was getting away, like he easily could have let him leave, you know. Yeah, but no. Anyways, Yeah, that's what a little Bob Conroy said about his little Nazi son. Wow, Jeffrey Conroy is eligible for par role in twenty thirty. He'll be thirty nine by then. His dad, Bob Conroy still believes that the sentence was bullshit. I hope that he stays there, honestly, because that's like pretty young. Still, he can still be if he has not reformed, which probably he hasn't. Yeah, he can still be out there like stabbing people, you know. Yeah, that's two years older than Marcelo was at the time of his murder. In August twenty ten, the State Supreme Court Justice Robert W. Doyle sentenced the one of the teens to seven years in prison. Oh Jose Jose Pacheco to seven years in prison. Nicholas hash was sentenced to five years, Chris Overton received six years. The four others were already sentenced seven years. Two of them had shorter sentences because they weren't involved in the other assaults, only Marcello's, So in total they basically had five to seven years serving an except for what's his name, Jeffrey Conroy who served twenty five years. And the family, the Marcelo or Marcello's family. They're trying to file a lawsuit for the state of New York for failing to protest. So hard to do that from out of the country. Yeah, it is. It was dismissed. I know, it's shouldn't be. I feel like they should have they should they should be able to wash. Yeah. Yeah, it was one hundred percent preventable. Like two months after this happened, there was another similar attack that also took the life of another immigrant. Are you serious? Yeah, Like Hosselo, Marcello's brother, was on record like when he spoke to the media and he said, like he hoped that this would be the last attack of this kind, and of course it wasn't. And I mean, look at uh the el Paso shooting that we've already covered, but the same rhetoric, same beliefs that inspired that dumb ass, braces ass person to do the same think, but at a worse level. Right, but these are still a mass level. Yeah yet mass think you. Yeah, but the same beliefs behind the violence. Yeah, exactly, and it's only getting worse. And it's such a I mean we say this every time we talk about like something that's like violence against immigrants, but like it's such an important always, but such an important time now because of the you know, intelect the climate, yeah yeah, and the you know, same hateful rhetoric that's like more visible than it was back then. I think more, I think so, Yeah, I think I feel like although back then it was common likes, I like all the laws that were you know, being not pasted but like trying to become like the miniment on the news, all right, but it was I feel like it was more fringe still. Yeah, you didn't see the president on President elects on a camera saying how these are all rapists and criminals and that they need to be sobbed, right, it was like more subtle. The racism now it's yeah, it's like over in your face, extremely hateful. I mean, heeds I heard thriatening to uh take away the citizenship birthright citizenship. Yeah so I don't know, like yeah wueno has another president ever said that that wasn't in the Fifth Rights? You know what I mean? Like right right? So yeah, I mean and this is this was all all for what? You know, like all for what for? These these these teens, they learned these beliefs somewhere. They didn't just wake up one day and you know, decide to be hateful little shits, right, So yeah, just uh it's important to talk about the these cases with that lens. I know people are like, eh, I don't get political, but it truthfully it is. This was a literal time. Yeah, everything is political, just if you feel like it's not because it hasn't affected your life. But what I'm wondering is, like immigrants or children of immigrants, how has it not affected your life? Like that is my question? Well that's what I was gonna say. Like also the same thing you said, And yeah, if you're a children child of immigrants and you're out there, you know, spouting this shit, I know that calling you dumb is not going to change your mind. But I'm sorry you are dumb, but get it together. Look at what happened to Marcello. Yeah yeah, and also you came from like if you're spouting this bullshit and your parents are quote illegal, like the president lecause I hear threatening to take away also your citizenship, So like, yeah, what did you think was gonna happen? Like you thought you were safe because you're spouting this bullshit. That was the case with Marcelo Lucero. I didn't want to share that. There is a documentary about this called Deputized Como Budo Basad. And the book I read where all of this is basically from is Hunting Season, Immigration and Murder in in all American town by And the book goes so much more in depth into their life in Ecuador, their friendships, the family, the journey from Ecuador to uh Patchog. It's it's so good, So I highly highly recommend the book. This was just like a tiny, you know, little snippet of it. But yeah, that was the that infuriading case. We'll take a little break here and then come back with speak your recommendations. Oh right, do you have any speak your recommendations? Let me see I don't remember, Okay. In the meantime, while you're looking for your speak, your recommendation, I do have one and I first I messaged Carmen when I finished this show and I was like, wow, we should watch this show, and you know, she told me that she had already watched it, and I was like, I already forgot this. What is this about? Dark Winds? Oh? Yeah, it's on Netflix and a mc either one. But it follows a tribal policeman. You forgot his name in the show. Joe, isn't it Joe Joe or Joe one of those one of that too. But he's like a tribal policeman in every show ever and I love him and Longmire and Reservation Dogs, which have you seen? To watch that? I didn't know he was in that. My god, I can believe there's so many there's a crossover of actors for Reservation Dogs and Dark Winds. But the first season is so spooky and it's like it's a little witchy. It's so creepy some of the scenes with Yeah, I mean the witch there's a wary Yeah, she's very cy Yeah. The second season is less I think spiritual. There's still some spiritual elements though elements, Yeah, not as much as the first season. It's still good though, but yeah, I mean it's so good and like, how often can we say there's like an all all star indigenous cast like Starry in this show. It's all about it's it's just it's so good. So highly recommend that show. Also, I was rais surprised to see Dwight in it. He's a car salesman. Oh, yeah, me too. Anytime we see Dwight anywhere, I'm like, it's tweight, it's tight. Yeah, and that that he doesn't like that. Oops, I don't care. I was watching an interview with him and the guy from Breaking Bad who probably also no. No. He was like, no, I love it. I love that my fans can recognize me and see me as this role. And it's like, it's just it's like very honor. It feels like an honor blah blah blah. And Dwight was like, really, Rain Wilson, sorry, sorry Dwight, Rain and Wilson. Yeah, he was like, oh, I feel like sometimes it makes me feel stuck to the character. Blah blah blah. He doesn't like it at all. But Heisenberg from Breaking Bad, does or do you know that? That from Mac him in the middle whatever? Oh, okay, I didn't know his name in Breaking Back. I never got into Breaking Bed. That's right, Brian, Brian something Creston's I just know that, No, hum I said. I asked if that was his actual name. Yeah, yeah, okay, but yeah, that's my spooky recommendation. Okay, yeah, I was looking through my when I finished reading on Stargraph, and I do have a spooky recommendation. I listened and finished the audiobook So Thirsty by Rachel Harrison. It was it was pretty good. I saw some bad reviews and I was like, well, tweets your own. I really liked it. Let me find vampire related. Yeah it is. Did you read it for a vampire media episode that we still have through? Not really. I didn't read it because of that, but I because I like, I just tag always what I want to read on Libby, and then after I finished something, I see what's available now, and it was available, and that's how why I read it. Okay, but there was books that could have chosen, but I chose it because I'm like, oh, I want to read something vampiriy for that so partly because of that? Yeah? Okay, So the description a woman was learned to take life by the throat after a night out leads to irv damn. How does he say this word? Irvect irvocable? No, that's wrong, don't. I can't iravect era, I can't whatever changes in this juicy, thrilling novel from the USA Today bestselling author of Such Sharp Teeth and Black Sheep? Have you read those? No? Okay, I hear like mixed stuff about black sheep, But I think I hear mostly good things about such sharp Teeth. Such short teep is like a werewolf one. So, Sloane Parker is dritting her birthday. She doesn't need a reminder she's getting older or that she's feeling indifferent about her own life. Her husband surprises her with their birthday we can get away, not with him, but with Sloan's a long time best friend, turbomaker extraordinaire Naomi. Sloane anticipates a weekend of wine tastings and cozy robes and strategic avoidance of issues she'd rather not confront, like her husband's repeated infidelity. But when they arrive at their rental, it becomes clear Naomi has something else in mind. She wants the loan to stop letting things happen to her, force Loan to really live. So Naomi orchestrates a wild night out with a group of mysterious strangers. Those strangers are vampires, okay, only for it to take a horrifying turn that changes Loans and Naomi's lives literally forever. The friends are forced to come to terms with some pretty eternal consequences, and this bloody, seductive novel about how it's never too late to find satisfaction, even though it might taste different than expected. I don't know. I love a story of two best friends. Yeah you do? Yeah? Yeah, I love a happy ending. What can I say? You know? Some people were like, oh, it's so unrealistic, and I'm like, you're reading a story about vampires. Why do you expect something to be realistic. I liked it. It was funny. Sometimes at first, I feel like some of the other batter views I saw, they were complaining that the main character is like just feel sorry for herself the whole time, and she literally at one point says that she just wants to be a victim, like play victim or whatever, and that spoilers obviously. Once she turns into a vampire, she can't play victim anymore because she's a powerful vampire and she doesn't like that too powerful. Yeah, I just want to be a sad little bit. Yeah. Basically that's what she's that's her character development. And I liked it. I don't know. It was funny, interesting at times, very entertaining. I feel like for audiobooks, I'm not looking for something profound. I'm looking for something entertaining because I'm listening to it, you know what I mean. Yeah, And I never once thought I was it was boring. Okay, what else I listened to? I guess it's more like mystery, but it's a mystery romance. The book is called the most Wonderful Crime of the Year, very like murder mystery type thing. Fun Let me find that description real quick, Okay. So it says knives out gets a holiday roum come twist, and this rivals to lovers of romance mystery from New York Times bestselling author Ellie Carter. And then it says the bridge is out, the phone darted down, and the most famous mystery writer in the world just disappeared out of a locked room three days before Christmas. Meet Maggie Chase and Ethan Wyatt. She's the new queen of the Cozy Mystery. He's mister big time thriller guy. She hates his guts. He thinks her name is Marcy, no matter how many times she's told him otherwise. But when they both accept a cryptic invitation to attend a Christmas house party at the English estate of a reclusive fan, neither is expecting their host to be the most powerful author in the world, Eleanor Ashley, the Duchess of death herself to her author world. Okay, that night the weather turns, and the next morning, Eleanor is gone. She vanished from a locked room, and Maggie has to wonder is Eleanor in danger or is it all some kind of test? Is Ethan the competition or is he the only person in that snowbounded mansion she can trust. As the snow gets deeper and the stakes get higher, every clue will bring Maggie and Ethan closer to the truth and each other. Because this Christmas, these two rivals are going to have to become allies, and maybe more if they have any hope of saving eleanor assuming they don't kill each other first. Very cute. I like that. I've been listening and reading trying to at least some Christmas related I saw your stoograph. Yeah, and don't get at me about not reading anything else. I haven't started the book of the book. My plan is to start it after I finish the Panama Oh okay, but see, like reading these other things doesn't take away from the Panama book, because the Panama Book I have to like highlight, take notes, write and actual like focus and studying and shit. And so I listen to autobooks when I'm walking or driving, and then my kindle I started reading either only in bed, right, I read like a few pages when I wake up and a few pages before I sleep, and then when I ride my little bicycle. So I become one of those people that has a book for every like activity and place in the house. I love that for you. Yeah, pretty, it's pretty cool. Yeah. Also sorry, I don't think I ever talked about. For my work book club, we read Never Lie by Freedom McFadden, and she like has hell of books. But people like I don't know, they say she's like a trashy writer. I guess I'm not a trashy writer. But it's like yeah, like it's nothing meaningful, you know, it's just yeah, yeah, just like like a fun little read. I guess, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Anyway, I read Never Lie and it's a thriller, of course, and it was so ridiculous, but it was entertaining, Like I really liked it. I read it. It's fun and okay. Also for me, when I read stuff like four doesn't mean like it's amazing profound, like that's five. I say that for five. Four means I loved it. But it could be a ridiculous, a ridiculous plot that's so unrealistic, you know what I mean. Like to me, that doesn't matter. If I'm entertained and I loved it and I would read read it or maybe not. I don't know. If I had a good time, it's a four. If I had a decent time, it's a three, you know what I mean. So that's why I read it to have Oh man, okay, okay, it was like so and the twist I never saw coming because probably because I'm dumb, Probably because I'm a dumb bitch. Yeah, so this one the description. Newlyweds Tricia and Ethan are searching for the house of their dreams, but when they visit the remote manner that once belonged to doctor Adrianne Hill, a renowned psychiatrist who vanished without a trace four years earlier, a violent winter storm traps them at the estate with no chance of escape until the blizzard comes to an end. In search of a book to keep her entertained until the snow abates, Tricia happens upon a secret room, one that contains audio transcripts from every single patient Doctor Hell has ever interviewed. As Tricia listens to the cassette tapes, she learned about the terrifying chain of events leading up to doctor Hell's mysterious disappearance. Tricia plays the tapes one by one late into the night. With each one another shocking piece of the puzzle falls into place, and doctor adrian Hill's web of lines unrebels, And then Tricia reaches the final cassette, the one that reveals the entire horrifying truth. Oh okay, I love first when people are trapped somewhere and they can't escape. I feel like you'd love it. Yeah, And I love something that involves listening to tapes. That's why I was obsessed with Archive eighty one. I'm so excited to continue. That's that's based on a book, right or no? Oh, I don't get wrong, I might be wrong. It was an audio Oh that's right, novella. We call it show. I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like audio book Noma has a name. But yeah, so that's fine, but okay, I love that. I'll probably check that out done then yeah, no, and I love that too, you know, I love it. And the characters are unlikable, like I was sick of them, but I don't mind that. Like some people hate when the characters are unlikable, I feel like I like it because it's so unrealistic because like, imagine meeting someone like that in real life, like I would fight them. Yeah, I'm with an unlikable character, Earlily, you borrow it when it's sufferable and I'm just kidding. I found the main character insufferable. And then the twist came and then I was like, oh, this explains a lot. Yeah, okay, I'm excited. I also love a good twist, so this should be good. And if you want me to tell you what happens. I'll tell you all fair enough. Yeah, tell me after Oh sorry, you know what else? I watched? The crampis I've watched it before, but I forgot between that happens. Yeah, I watched it again. It's a fun cute yeah yeah, yeah, entertaining with the children and what's his name from Parks and rec the guy love Yeah, Ben, Yeah, I know it's really name is Adam, And I wanted to call him Adam, but then I had already said, oh yeah, Adam Scott. Yeah, he's in It's a fun movie. And I just love him. I literally watch anything he's in. Have you seen the one on I think actually I can't remember if it's on Netflix for Hulu where his step son is. Yeah, that one's fun, that's like fun one. Yeah. I did recommend it when I watched it. Oh, okay, a lot of time or something. Yeah, yeah, okay, well now I'm done, I'm done. That was a lot. Okay, yeah, it was a lot, all right. Just to reminder that our book club book is The Witches of a Basso. It's on our little list in the show notes. I think I'm gonna started click anyuary. Sorry, same, same, for sure. I will start in January. You can also find us on YouTube. You can follow our socials on Instagram and I don't know TikTok's going away, so if you follow me on TikTok, maybe switch to Instagram and YouTube, you know, yeah, oh sorry, can I just say really quick, I'm like, whatever, you can criticize those, But it made me laugh that someone said our Spanish is so frustrating. But then now all the memes are coming out of Selena about Selena's Gomentz and the movie, and I'm like, well, at Lista will sound like that, right, it could be worse. And the purpose of our Spanish episodes is for us to learn to get better at like sounding cool in Spanish. Yeah, yeah, that was the whole point. So yeah, but it could be worse. We could sound like len. Think about that, like let me pinch, I can't stop. Stop. We we respect all Moss and yeah and yeah yeah and Pachas and like, you know, it's it's really funny, like who nobody uses the word bulba, Like I'm sorry, nobody uses it in that way, but you know what did her no good? Yes that's what I didn't say, but Also it was directed and written I think by someone French, so they wouldn't understand the way that you say these things, and they wouldn't know how did they're not here? Oh? People were like shocked, that's on TikTok that could speak Spanish. It's like, you, guys, she's she's Latina, Like what do you mean? They're like, oh, but look it's always Aldania Spanish. It's so good compared to yeah, she's Latina too. Yeah, God, she's stop. So yeah, okay, we can we can layer upon layers for this conversation that maybe would be to train stop before we yeah, oh yeah, I didn't want to do that. Well assume, but we don't judge. But do you have time or no? Okay, really well let's send this for the official Yeah okay, and so yeah, everyone, stay spooky. You will catch you next time. Watch out for watch out for el Ukumar. It sounds like this, ooh ooh. If you hear oh omar say spooky, We'll catch for the next time. Bye Bye. S. Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen and with the help of Don shout out with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably, gonna say five star review. We would really appreciate it. If you don't want to have a five star review, just don't leave a review. 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