The Case of Debanhi Escobar and Celebrity Ghost Stories

Hi, this is Christina and Carmen. We have an episode today. We do we do. Arman is reading some paranormal stories by celebrities, which we don't do a lot, so mm hmmm. And then I will be talking about a true crime case that shook Mexico and after everything was over, they're still seeking justice. So it's actually very depressing, really, the case of the Bani Escobard. Oh, I think that sounds familiar. It should, because well I'll talk about Yeah, we are going to talk about it. Also, if anyone's not watching the YouTube or hasn't seen our social media posts, Carbon and I are almost matching. I have a sweater from our old merch store before we switch to the new one. It says Day is spooky on it and it's friend of black Mine is from what's our website? We could close, we could clothing something like that. Oh yeah, I was obsessed with them for a while. Yeah, me too. I bought you a sweater that's a CEO in hell it so much. I accidentally want it to church, not I don't go to church. Yeah, I almost bought something yesterday from them because I got an email that's out there. The whole store was forty percent off, but I wanted sweaters, not T shirts, and there was only one sweater I wanted, and I was like, well, I am I going to make a whole order just for one thing, you know, right? You know? Yeah it was cute though, but I did forget what it's already, but I liked it when I saw it. But yeah, mine's serial killer documentaries and chill. So anyway, starting with the actual episode, before we get to the topics that I just mentioned before we talked about our sweaters, we have a listener story, and if you have a story that you want to sit into the podcast, you can email at Spooky Tales at gmail dot com. You can dm us on Instagram. You can call the Spooky hotline. The numbers in the show notes and that's actually what we're listening to. Oh sorry, one more. You can also submit it on Discord. Again, think is in the show notes, and so yeah, let's just listen to this story, right, hopefully I haven't done it before. By oh my god, I love your show so much. I listened to it every day. But this is a like my second time trying to leave you guys as message, and I'll explain why in a little bit. I have so many like booky encounterers throughout my life, like that was the kids vainly like most of Mychael's stories have to do with like my ancestor. But I've seen like my great grandparents, like great uncles stuff like that. But I've also like encountered other scarier stuff. Like my wife. She never used to believe in like paranormal things until like she met me, and now she goes like she loves the office, so she'll like make them. Michael got joke of like I'm not superstitious, I'm a little fishous, and she'll say that it's because of me. But recently she was having one of her coworkers, and her coworkers whulsh like this ghost and how does she have where She was like, you don't scratches and stuff. As she came home and she asked me and she's like, have you noticed anything happening like that at our house? And I didn't want to see her, so I can't her. No, No, I have myself anything weird at our current place, but that's alive. There is I want to say, at least two basic sweet entities in the house. One of them is like it gives the feminine energy to me, like she feels very feminist. And I will see her usually like out of the corner of my eye, like if I'm in the backroom do my makeup, I'll kind of see her lurking uh in the door, like looking in towards me. And sometimes like I think, I think it is like a bit of more of a child like energy, because she does like to say hide and seek, almost like people I don't know sometimes feel like a presence in a corner her and if I acknowledge it, like I'll go like, oh, I know you're there, I see you. It's just like disappears, and then the mood feels lighter and everything kind of lifts. So she's she's chill. I'm okay with her, like she's fine. The other things that I feel. And I don't know if it's like the same one, like the same girl, or if it's maybe another entities. But when we sleep that night, like we have two paths and they sleep with us, and I will feel like my cat, one of our cats please like cut our at my feet and the other one thinks that my wife's feet. And at that time, like when my cat is coming into bed, like I feel her hop on and like I feel the pressure of like walking up my legs to go b Now, sometimes both of our cats will already be on the bed and I will feel that sensation again. And it got cut off, But I think this is our listener that emailed it later with the mimics story. Yes, yes, because they're member the wife and how the wife is a little stitious now yes, yeah, and that email they mentioned that they had tried leaving a voicemail or a Yeah, that's our listener story. I'm not finding anyone. It was so cool. Yeah, yeah, it was so fun to listen to. And then I have one more. This isn't a listener story. This is just like an email that I'm going to share because they don't share a story. But are they just praising us? Yeah? Okay, So this was titled a Tale from La Republica Dominicana, and I was like, what do we never hear emails from the Yeah, dr, you just said it and I almost forgot. So it's from Juliana. She says, Hi, I'm a brand new listener to with Pooky Tales. I heard about your podcast from reddite on wiki which I totally forgot. We were on it like tweet. Actually, I had a lot of fun. It was so fun. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was so interesting since I'm a huge horror Friand and Latina, so I love the concept. Plus it's fall, so it's really hitting. Lol. Listening to your first episode about Lassie Whenever, it really remembered me of a story my dad used to tell me about Lassie Wapa. I don't know a crazy amount of details, but the legend goes that she or they, I don't know if it's like a species. It's a beautiful woman with long black hair and backward feet. She said to be so beautiful that men are drawn to her and don't notice her feet until it's too late and she's close enough to attack and eat them. I wish you more, but that's all I really know. Best Juliana, when she catches up, she'll uh because you have an episode? No, unless I think we mentioned her in some episode, and I had an episode on her, not fully on her, I don't think so. I think I only mention her briefly. Oh okay, I know. I have a TikTok video that's like a minute long and I'm basically saying the same thing Juliana just said in her email, and now she went like viral, and I was like, maybe that's random. Yeah, the most random things, like you never know. Yeah, our last hit was the Mermaid and thinkuch I knew was going to be a hit. I guess I didn't know that was so popular. Mermaid videos always do amazing on TikTok, so weird. Should we just talk about Mermaids? I'm just kidding. Maybe, No, we are talking about celebrity ghost stories. Yeah, That's what I'm talking about today. So first up, we have Juanis Juanas just can I just say Juanis? I loved him. He one of my first crushes. Yeah, oh I didn't like him like that. No, I like him and he's cool. I loved him in all the ways, his music, his voice, and I like it. I love his voice. I am not like I don't think he's like attractive, but doesn't matter because he's talented, and who cares if one person doesn't find you attractive, Like, it doesn't matter, right, right? But man, he has all the hits. Yeah, like was on repeat in our household. Yeah he has a ghost story. No, UFO siding U. Oh my bad. Yes, okay, let's get into it. So Kuanas claimed to have seen UFOs in twenty twelve, and I guess. He wrote it. First of all. I guess he has a memoir when I need to check that out. I didn't know that. Okay, Oh you didn't know. It's called Quanas Chasing the Sun. He told me. TBR me too. Yeah. So yeah, he wrote about UFO sighting and his memoir and he has kept talking about it in the media. So he said that he saw the UFO while on vacation in Switzerland, Geneva, Switzerland. Okay. Then in twenty thirteen he went on a podcast called Soundcheck. There he described the incident as life changing and said that he saw the lights and the sky that began to shift into different figures, and he said that was one of the most incredible nights for me because just right before that happened, I always thought, well, we're not alone here, definitely not. There's something else. There needs to be something else outside, and he's right, and that was his validation. And then he started cult no, I'm just kidding. And then he talked about it again in twenty seventeen with NPR reporter Marisa at Bona Luis So. He said, it was one o'clock in the morning and I was looking at the sky when I saw five big, big lights suspended in the air. At first, I thought, maybe these are planes that are going to land in the airport. But then I realized those lights were static. They started to move to the sides and were totally silent, And after ten or fifteen minutes, I realized that I was looking at something very special from another world. In that day, you know, my basis of education and beliefs started to change. Everything started to change for me, and I started to understand that we're just part of a great, big universe and life is more than we think. It is beautiful. And then he said, well, he told news outlets that he doesn't care reporters or others think he's crazy because he knows what he saw. And then in twenty seventeen, he also retweeted a video about an increase in UFO siding. So he's all in, I'm there with them, and I believe him, and I'm done with him, and I would take off on a UFO with him. Yeah, I would too, Yeah, but not about myself. I wouldn't get on the UFO by myself. Why not. I don't want to go alone with some creatures that I don't know yet. If you were with me, I would also go. If we get abducted at the same time, I'd be fine with it. If I got abducted alone, I would try to find a way out. I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, everything is safer in numbers. Yeah, okay. And next we have a duende and ghost sighting from Jenna Ortega, who is Latina enough, No she is. I'm not joking. No, of course we're not. Yeah. Also like the Latina screen queen. No, yeah, yeah okay. So during the press tour for Beal Juice Too, Jenna was asked if she's ever seen a ghost. Jenna admitted she's seen ghosts several times she's but there was one specific group of ghosts that really scared her. Jenna told the interviewer that when she was a child that she would hear and see what look like chimpanzee ghosts living in her hallways not monkey ghosts, what the fuck? And working on a project that looked like a jungle gym wow. Finally start having fun. This was what she said. I swore that I was seeing ghosts all the time. There was like a family that lived in my hallway. I saw that there was a family of chimpanzees who were building like a jungle jym Wow actress one of my fams, Katherine O'Hara, who was at the interview of her, I know, I was just watching Shit's Creak too, So she laughed at Jenna's story. But Jenna was so scared that she she says she was so scared that she once ran into her parents' bedroom at night. So a lot of people think that these ghosts that she described that are like were small chimpanzees. People think that they were doing this. This makes way more sense. Oh my god, Okay, yeah, and I believe it. Yeah, We've talked about doing this plenty of times. But in Latina folklore, doing this are gnome like creatures that are known as protectors of their home. Are also little mischievous, and they are believed to live in the walls of homes, especially in the bedroom of children. And the word doing that comes from the phrase dueno casa and doing this are especially known to be fond of little girls. Oh okay that I didn't know. Yeah, I don't think I've heard that before. I think just like all little kids. Yeah, especially unbaptized ones, is what I've heard. My children know, My God. Also, the more you say, if you say doing this, you're invoking them, we don't want not welcome here, Okay, you're not okay, okay. And some Latina folklore even says that doing this they clean, repair and work at night, which might be what Jenna saw, like why she thought they were working on some kind of project. And then on a less crippier note, although I don't I don't personally find the one that's to be scary, But that doesn't mean they're welcome here. That doesn't mean I want to see one, so yeah. Jenna also added that she once saw her grandfather's ghost wearing an outfit that she had never seen him wear while he was alive, and when she told her mom about the sighting, her mom dug up a photo of Jenna's grandfather wearing that outfit that she had described. Oh my god. Yeah, And then she later said that her siblings knew her as the sibling who would see ghosts. Oh okay, like our brother Wow. Yeah, and that was the end of the celebrity ghost paranormal UFO sightings. How fun for us, Probably not for them. Well no, whannas love seeing UFOs? Okay, so yeah, I think the only one that really creeped Jenna out was a dude is not her grandpa or whatever. Yeah, but how cool? This reminds me. It reminds you a lot of things. So the duende reminded me that the only time I have ever been scared of doing this was reading the one the story in Oa by. Oh. I still have to get to that one. That one is terrifying, Like I've never pictured them like that, and I was still fucking scared reading that story. The doing this story from whatever episodes that our friend Vanessa was on. So I think it's you're you weren't with us yet, you were, you were only guesting once in a while. So this episode was me MJ and then our guest and we were talking about the kids that went missing in the Amazon. Oh yeah, and then she also shared another one, the story of her own. That story really creeped me out. I guess it's just one of those things like there, I think everyone has a creature other like I wouldn't really care if I saw that. That's me with doing this, bro. Yeah, but I still don't want to see one. No, No, that doesn't mean they're welcome here. Yeah, no, I was gonna say that. A couple of weeks ago, I listened to aiden s Thos episode with Loko Radio, two of our fames, and they talked about this and it was such a good episode and the ASA said she so she had of one there. Yeah, I heard that. Also. There's like some stories and some stories are downright terrible, like in one of our early dun the episodes, I shared the Legend of Latierra, which takes place in Tabasco, Mexico. And in the story, this family tries to move into this farm and then their chickens start acting weird as fuck, and they're like, next are snapped, the chickens, next are snapped, Like first the chickens are acting weird, then the chickens and chicks all like start dying. Their next are snapped, Like someone is doing this. They go to like a qurandero or like a local you know, spiritual leader, and this person tells them like, oh this is not a curse, like these are done this you moved into the land of Duendes and they're reclaiming their land back land back, and the Dunde took the land back. The family had to fight in the dun this. Now nobody lives there. Nobody lives there but the one this, so that that they're scary on that. But then there's other stories that you know, if you buy like a little figure and you like give it offerings, then you have good luck. Or like if you leave, if you have like Drano and you put offerings for the one this, they'll do your your farm work. Yeah, and that sounds nice? Does if a one they could do my editing? Wow? Imagine that. Yeah, I'll take you to my andishes. But then you know, will you be taking advantage of the one this, Like is it going to be you know that type of thing? Would we be exploiting them here? Right? Yeah? But yeah that actually Jenner or Tegasine and not monkeys makes so much more sense. Yeah. Okay, Well we'll take a little ad break here and then when we come back, we'll do my half, my depressing half. Also, let's give a shout out to our Patreon members. All right, So first the shout out to our newest member, Audrey, Thank you so much for joining the eight Dollars. No Mama is super serious as Spooky Tier. 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You shorted, So I'm going to be talking about the case of Devanni Escobard and so On the ninth of April twenty twenty two, a picture was taken that while would end up going viral and you might remember the picture as I'm describing it. But I'll also put I'll post the picture and I'll also share it in the on the screen here right now. But in the picture, a young woman is standing alone on the side of the road. The road is empty, it's nighttime. She's wearing a white tank top, a brown flowy skirt, in black converse shoes. She has a mask on, like a black face mask. Now her hair is down, she's got her purse, and she's alone. This picture was taken on the federal highway that goes from Monterrey to Novo Laedo, and this highway is known as La la Muerte, the Highway of Death. And I mean it's a one hundred and thirty six mile highway that connects Novo Laredo Tapas Monterevo Leone. And if you know anything about Mexico, you know that this is a really dangerous, dangerous area. It's like where the drug cartels are, like in constant like war highway. Basically, yeah, it's their highway. That's why it has this name. It's one of the most violent areas and so that's where she was this picture was taken. She's by herself. That picture that went viral that I just described is the last picture ever taken of eighteen year old Devani Escobar. Oh wow, and that's why it went so viral. But Devani Susanna Escobar basal Dua was born September fourth, two thousand and three, in Monterrain, Babo Leone. She was raised by her Theos Mario Escobar and the Lorees Basaldua. They adopted her when she was one year and four months old. They all lived together in La Colonia in Ramada, in Apodaca, Novo Leon. Like I said, she was eighteen, she was a law student at La Niversidad Automa. Then her adoptive dad, you know her dad, he was actually a lawyer himself. So she's following it footsteps. And according to her parents, she was kind, loving and pathetic, responsible. She always did great in school and she wanted to become a lawyer one like her father, but also to help women, specifically in Mexico. Just a few weeks before she went missing, she was at a protest for women's rates and against gender violence, and this is something she was passionate about, outspoken about yeah, to stand up against you know, the femicides, and yeah, one of the reasons why she wanted to become a lawyer. And so on the night of April eighth, twenty twenty two, De Bunny went out with two friends, Sarai, who she had met just three months before all this happened, and then Yvon who she actually met that night. They were party hopping, as you know people tend to do, you know, they're having fun. They're eighteen. Actually I don't know the other two ages. I tried to find them, and I don't know how old they are, but I think they're all within the same ages, probably similar. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, just as one does party hopping, just you know, looking for a good time. And there's surveillance footage of them buying some vodka at a store on the street San Nicholas, and so that was their first stop before they went to the party. They were planning on attending the original party. So they were at this party for a bit, then they tried walking to another nearby party, and then they tried to go to a third party. That third party was pretty much over, so they got a ride to a different party they heard about, and this party was in La Colonia Nova Castilla. The other parties that had just been walking to and from, but this last party that they were going to go to, they needed a ride to it. It was further away, so they got on the app Thedi, which if you've been to Mexico you've probably used it. I have it. It's like Uber. Yeah, So it was a d D driver that took them there. After he took them there, he gave them his phone number and said, I'm available if you need more rides tonight. I'm working all night. So basically telling them, like, you know, call me my number, don't do it through the app. Why, I don't know, it's weird to me. Yeah. Once they got to that party, after they were dropped off by the d D driver, that party was pretty much over. People were leaving. It was just it was dead. So they noticed a few blocks ahead of where they were at there was another party going on at a place called Quinta el Jamante. And this I think it's some in some reports or some podcasts, it's it was called like a club. It's not a club, it's a venue. So it's a public venue people rented out and that's what it is. So there was yeah, so much private party going on, non like a public club type thing. So they were heading to Quinta el Jamante. They met there with some boys they met party hopping prior to this, oh, like another night or earlier that night, earlier that night. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. None of them knew anyone at this party though, but they were let in and you can see all this on video of them arriving to the party, then waiting to be let in, and then then finally being let in. They stayed there until almost three fifty am in the morning, and there seemed to be some sort of problem inside the party with the Banni because there's footage of her running outside of the party and then like a young man follows her and it looks like they're arguing and he's like grabbing at her, maybe trying to take her back to the party. This is unsure because it's like video surveillance, like recording from far away and you can't hear anything, but he's grabbing at her and she hits him away. Then they're joined by Sadai and some of the other guys, and then there's her devanny and the guy that went out first, we're still fighting. Apparently the Bani bit him at some point, but like we don't know why or what happened. This was around three forty five am, so even before this, her friends would later say that Devani was out of control and starting fights, and that some people were trying to take her away, like to take her home because she was out of control, and Sadai and Ivone didn't trust these people, and so at three twenty nine AM and three thirty six am, they sent messages to that Davy driver that dropped them off at the party. They sent him a message, two messages, asking him to come get the bunny, to take the bunny home. So after they sent those messages, apparently she was already acting like this inside. That's when they send the messages. And then after that is when she's seen on video footage running outside and the guy runs after her and she kind of hits him and writes him. And then just a few minutes later, at three fifty four Kwan the d d driver arrives. So I don't know, I mean he must be working in the area because that's like that's really fast. Yeah, So he arrives. Video surveillance captures the bunny entering his car by herself. Her friends get in another car that belonged to one of the guys they met that night. And I mean, at this point, you might be wondering why two friends would send their drunk friend alone with that d D driver they just met, who they didn't contract through the app they sent him a message. Yeah, I was wondering this too, because, like I mean, I've had my shot of very drunk nights. What's I mean that I you know, didn't know for a long time or something that were longtime friends, right, But like at that point, if you're in that state, like your life is in their hands, right, Yeah, you don't know what could happen to you. Like if I don't have safe friends around, I don't know where I would be because I mean sadly, I mean during my time in the Army, I don't know how many times I got black out drunk, like every weekend. I don't remember anything, But I've always made it back safe because the people that were with me to care me. Yeah, and I would do the same once I stopped drinking. And you know, yeah, and yes, I mean some of your friends get a little violand but I wouldn't. I wouldn't leave them. I will say that sometimes some people get so hardheaded about wanting to either leave or you know what I mean that there's nothing short of tying them up that you can do to stop them. And I mean that's true, fully know. So yeah, and they you know, presumably they were young naive girls too, So I don't know that's true. Like you, you hope your friends around you know about it, especially at that age when you're like drinking that much. But some people don't. So that's true. That's good. It's not their fault. It's the people that are out there doing right at things. Yeah, well you say that now, but oh no I speak to Oh my god, okay, I just want to fine, Okay, So no, but those are good points to bring up because those things are also true. Like regardless of these two friends who just threw her in that deity driver's car and were like, all right, take her home without doing it at least through the app, I will say too, like when it's that late and like everyone like if I have I had a friend like that, I'm like, I'm just going to go home to with them. So yeah, it's like okay, I don't. I don't know. I'm just going right, So, you know, I wondered that too, like why would they do that? So at first they didn't say anything as to why they did this. Later they would say, oh, she wanted to go home alone. It seemed like they wanted to leave with the guys they met, and maybe she didn't want to and they wanted to, you know, maybe so. And later they would say it's because she was out of control, drunk violin and they were scared of her and they just didn't want to deal with it anymore. At four twenty six am said, I received a message from the DD driver and it was the picture that I mentioned, the one that went viral where she's standing alone on the side of the road on that highway that's very dangerous. The picture was sent from the d D driver and he told her that de Bunny was being super violent and aggressive and that she just got out of the car. He didn't know why, and she didn't want to get back in. He didn't know what to do, so he took the picture to show them she was alive and that she had exited the car, and that's why he took the picture. And sent it said. I asked him to call the police, and he was like, well, I'm not in the area anymore because I'm working, Like so he just left and again I'm like why, Yeah, why did you get out? There were so many points here that if that is what she had done, got out of the car, like something more could have been done, right, So they asked him to go back to the area to check on her, and he did, but when he got there, she was nowhere to be seen, as he said, And the girls said, I and Yvonne tried calling Devanes's parents and they didn't answer any of the calls. But it s nighttime, they're sleeping. Yeah, presumably this is not the first time she goes out. What is it like four or five in the morning now or one? Yeah, like she you know, she's gonna have her fun. They're not up worrying about it. Maybe at first they were, but now they're just they're asleep. It's very late slash early. So yeah, they never answered their phones. So and the girls, I think they tried calling two to five times is what I read like varying things that they tried calling her parents, Although I'm like, why didn't they call the police. Yeah, it is my other question among many questions that will arise through this case. So they tried calling their parents, they didn't answer. The driver told the girls that he had offered to charge Devanny's phone so that she could call her mom, and that Devannie didn't want to. Then her friends tried calling her dad again, he didn't answer. So then this is when they stopped trying to call the parents. They also stopped, you know, communicating with the Deity driver. This was now around five am when they went to sleep whatever. When they woke up that same day, they were able to get a hold of her dad and they told her what had happened. That the Bannie was left on this road alone, and that they had received the picture from the DDY driver, but when he went back, he didn't find her. And I just, I just I keep thinking they could have contacted the police for at least like a wellness check, like, hey, I left her on the side of the road, I don't see her anymore, can you just go check? Yeah, I don't know, but that never happened. Once her parents learned about what happened, they went to the police. Surprisingly, police acted right away and they started a search. Let me go back a little bit. The family went through the Banni's Instagram like account to kind of repeace what happened that night and the area she was in, and they started searching that area and then contacted police and police search the official search began, but the family was already in the area trying to find her, and then the official search began, but it was still it was very fast, like that afternoon of the ninth, they were already searching for her. And so once the search for her began on this you know her last and wereabouts during that search. That same day they found another missing woman, Maria fed Nanda Gontreras, who had been missing since April third. She was twenty seven years old. So they found her, but still no sign of the money. And then over the next six days, five more missing women, girls and girls were found. Wow, on this highway alone, which is it's just it's so sad and depressing and also infuriating because it's like, well, who was searching for them before? Yeah, they were IDme Ernandez Cruz, Jennifer Nicole almguer Iningrid, Guadalupe Castillo and Irlanda Marcella Ramirez Martinez and they were between fourteen and nineteen years Oh my god, so young. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's so sad and they just I don't know, like I personally, like even from just this first part of reading the details, and like when I was writing, before I got past all this, I'm like, why would the d D driver or leaver there? Like yeah, but it's like he obviously didn't care or have her best interests in for in the beginning. Yeah, I mean, you would hope that a stranger would care, you know, but I feel like the people close to you, like your friends, have more, should have more. Wait, I guess I don't know what the word is. More. Yeah, you know, like they should care more, like they should cared more have Yeah. Yeah, Like it's it's on a lot of people, not only the friends, not only the driver. Yeah. Yeah, people just they didn't do what they should have done, right, right because at the very least called the police to check on her that night, and yeah, you know if they if the police didn't and they waited, then okay, it would be on them, yeah at that point, but they weren't contact you should you should care and be worried about someone you see in this state? Like I know we're saying like, oh, like it's on them, like it's not about who it's on and like to do stuff to absolve yourself of guilt, right, although people do act like that, you know what I mean, Like it is what it is, human nature or whatever. But like if you see someone in this condition, like it should worry you and something in you should be like, oh I should help them so that they don't, you know, get in danger or something. And that didn't happen here exactly. Yeah, multiple yeah, multiple times. So I just shared the other ages, which yeah, we're all super young. All five six women that were found during the search for the buddy, which like sometimes you hear like when Gaby Petito when all that happened, was another three Yeah, I don't remember the exact number, but yeah, yeah, other people were found. So it's like it's just a similar thing where it's like, why weren't they searching before? Yeah, But so on April twelfth, twenty twenty two, the Diddy driver was found and arrested but then released, so they like they're like, oh, he obviously it doesn't have anything to do with this, yeah if they let him go, right, And then on the eighteenth of April, video surveillance from nearby businesses were analyzed and they found footage of the bunny she was seeing walking along the road looking for the first place I was open, probably trying to find help. Yeah again her phone is dead. So security footage from a transportation company called Alcosa shows the bunny approaching the security booth of that company at four twenty nine am, and for unknown reasons, she leaves this building. So I maybe no one was at the security booth, Like, no one knows why this happened. It's just she's seen entering, she's seen leaving. She doesn't go back to that area again. A few minutes later after that, a camera captures her running into the entrance of a complex of several buildings, which include a restaurant that has been closed for years and then the Leva Casilla Motel. And so she's seen running into an area that opens to a garden and a swimming pool, and no one knows why she's running like to this day, that information has not been found. If it's known, it hasn't been made public. But she is running for some reason in this video, and it's also unclear how she even got in this area because like so it's kind of walled off, like the closed restaurant is back there. And then and then there's a pool area with some cisterns like water tanks. That area is closed off the mold the pool and there's like a wall. Basically gotcha. So after she's seen looking into the empty restaurant, then she's seen in the swimming pool area, and it's like she would have if she's back there, she would have had to go through the motel. Oh okay to get back there, because either that or climbed the wall, but like it's a hard hin to climb. Apparently there's three water tanks in the pool in that back area. When investigators tried to get video surveillance from the motel, the motel said that their cameras didn't work. They're just like fake cameras that don't like record, they're just there for appearances. That was a lie, it's the fig. Yeah. So three weeks after this, they were able to obtain video surveillance from the motel, but what was on that video has not been made public. We don't know what's on there. Separate cameras did see her approaching the restaurant at four thirty six am. And then that same camera shows her in that pool area that's in the back that I was mentioning at four fifty six am. And again it would seem like she had to go through the motel to get to that area because the wall is hard to climb, and it's like knowing that, and then that the motel tried to hide their video footage it it appears more that's sketchy. Yeah, yeah, it's not a good look. So with this new found footage, it was finally revealed why the bunny left the taxi in the first place. The car was in a taxi because it's a person's personal car. Yeah. The footage that was you know, found, It showed that the d D driver was reaching back trying to grab her, like fondle her. Yes, oh my god, that's why she left the car of course. And wow, at first I was like, okay, like I don't know, he should have done you know whatever. But that's why he didn't call for help, because he was just trying to take advantage of her exactly. It would have been incriminating. But this is why you don't send off your drunk friend with the man a stranger. Yeah, plus the fact that they didn't they didn't get the riot through the app. They just called him. Yeah, because if you get it through the app, the app can look, we'll locate, we'll keep track of where the car is, the car stops, it tracks all of it. Well, that's why he offered his number. Yeah, Like that's what they do on purpose, and why you should not do that kind of stuff. Like sometimes I'll say, oh, like I'll do it for cheaper, blah blah, But there's a reason they want to be off the record, like not trackable, you know. Yeah. And so now when I got to this, I'm like, oh my god, that's why. That's why. Yeah, he didn't call the police. Who knows if it went even went back to check on her, probably not. So. Yeah, he had tried to sexually assault her. That's that's why she left. He's seen trying to grow her breast in the video and then she runs out of the car. But he went and was like lying and like, oh, she was just acting violent and that's why she just she wouldn't listen and she just got out of the car. But the whole time trying to make her seem like a crazy, hysterical woman exactly exactly time. Unfortunately. Yeah, and so you know, they have this song video that's he's clearly doing this. But when her father wanted to press charges against the TD driver, the police said that despite having footage of the attack, they couldn't do anything because the bunny was the one who had to press charges for the sexual assault. I was going to attempt that right now. Yeah, like you could impress charges on her behalf, which it's like, okay, well she's missing. Yeah, And also at that point, I feel like, and indirectly, this is the cause of her death. She wouldn't have if he just took her home, she would have gotten home. Yeah, instead he I don't know if there's a leader to sew her way, And apparently there was no legal way to charge him with I was gonna say this was probably not Yeah, their fucking should be because she would have been fine otherwise. But that would open a sketchy But yeah, you're right. Like I think a lot of times when people talk about crime, they're like the buck at them this and that, right, But like a lot of times I think we need to think about, like these laws would apply to everybody putting in some people, you know, who would have a state and a law enforcement with all this power, and people don't have as much power to defend themselves against like things like that. So yeah, it would open that can of worms. That wouldn't be good, right, right for civil liberties for everyone else. But it's like it's also very infergurating that they have evidence of him trying to sell her and they can't even press charges for that. Yeah, and maybe she was a minor, you know, they could have maybe you know, may yeah I think that maybe, yeah, maybe that would have been the case. But yeah, she was eighteen, but there's a certain age I think of teenage when the parent when they had to be the ones that want to press if I'm remembering right, but I'm not sure it could be different. Also went to Mexico, Yeah, because if you if you recall the case of Marcella Escobo, they wanted to press charges on her former employee that groomed her daughter, and they couldn't because she was like above thirteen or something, and she had to be the one to press charges. Yeah. Yeah, so their hands were tied and her her like, you know, her parents are seeing this and they're like, this is the reason she died, yeah, which is it's tough. It's tough. So a team of two hundred officers and volunteers searched this area for her on four separate occasions. And this is also the same area that her phone last peamed, right by the motel restaurant area, and this is where they focused the search for her. But they were coming up empty handed until the twenty first of April twenty twenty two, and investigators received a call from motel employees that there was a smell, like a horrible smell coming from somewhere. Oh no, yeah, So they searched the area again and the bunny was found dead in the bottom of one of the three water tanks, the cisterns. Why didn't they look there as soon as you mentioned them? It made me like it reminded me of the Cecil Hotel. Yes, I thought of that too. Yeah, I made me think of that. And I'm like, well, like, why didn't they look there? Yeah? I don't know. And presumably they did, I don't know, or they just missed it. The lids were closed and they didn't open them. I don't know. Maybe, so they found her in the bottom of one of those three water tanks. She was so badly decomposed that her father had to identify her by the crucifix that she was wearing, like the necklace, and then the clothes, like they matched the clothes, and then later it was confirmed via DNA, but she was unrecognizable. And then the autopsy found that she had been there in between five to thirteen days. Really, well, why do I think more time had passed? Yeah, And they couldn't pinpoint it closer than that because of the state of how she was found. So they said her cause of death was a profound contusion to the skull, so, you know, a really bad bruise. Really yeah. And then her death was ruled an accident. I was gonna say, if she was drunk, she could have fallen also, yeah, you know, they ruled her at an accident. The prosecutor's office suggested her that she fell into the cistern by herself. Doesn't make sense. But there was no water found in her lungs. Oh wow, So how do they explain that? They don't? I guess the water inside the water tank is three feet high. Oh okay, I was gonna say, well, could they say that it's because she hit her head, not because she drowned. That's rather it's no watering her lungs. That is what they said. They said she hit her head on the way in Okay, and that was the cause of her death, and so when she died, she was already dead when she was in the water, imagined in the bottom. That's their version of events. But her purse and bra were found in one of the other water tanks, and then her keys and phone in a different water tank. Is then more nefarious? Yeah, like, okay, if she accidently fell in why are her things and separate tanks? Yeah? No, that makes sense. Yeah. Did they get them by themselves? Did they accidentally fall into Yeah? And her bra was off, yeah, makes it worse. Yeah. Her family did not accept this version of events. I don't blame them. I wouldn't either. I don't I it doesn't make sense. And they had the same questions for one dream, why were her stuff in separate tanks? Why was she not found during the other four searches. Well, two of the searches were specifically in the restaurant and in this exact area. The other two searches were like more abroad, but twice this pool water tink area was searched. Also, do we know for sure that they like looked insign. There was one interview I saw where the whoever does the interview for like police, the like media. Yeah, I was thinking of christ press. The press statement is that it? Yeah, press release? Is it? I think it's a press release. Yeah. So there was you know one where I saw that they said it was and if they opened the lids, they wouldn't have been able to see her because it was so dark the lights. Yeah, exactly, doing in the dark, of course you're gonna have fun. That does not make any sense. It doesn't It doesn't add up. It doesn't add up at all. But then what is the What is the point is because they don't want to do an actual visation because they don't want to find out to choose because they might I don't know. I don't want to be too speculative because that's like people into gray areas, like when you speculate too much, right, right, But it's like I think if they admitted that the search was wrong, they're admitting their incompetency, right, Okay, Yeah, that makes sense. I think that's it. Yeah, I don't know again, this is like I don't want to speculate, like I highly doubt there's some crazy conspiracy theory where like they're covering someone up, covering for someone, but it does these things have happened before. I was gonna saying like it's yeah, it makes me think of the Venezuela. Yeah, one that you shared in a while ago, exactly that was. I think you're right, I think so, but yeah, and like you know, it wouldn't be crazy because to think that because things similar things have happened. Yeah. So, But honestly, I think it's just that they don't want to admit that they did this horribly the search and they just suck as a police department. Yeah, that's probably it. Yeah. So the family requested a second autopsy, and this autopsy revealed evidence of sexual and physical abuse. Then in July twenty twenty two, there was a third autopsy done, and I tried to find why this third autopsy was done, and I'm not sure the family requests it. I don't know. I don't know if it was the family or the state trying to disprove the second autopsy. I'm not entirely sure. But this third autopsy from July twenty twenty two, discovered that she died due to obstruction of respiratory orphices or ifices. I can't say that word. So something was blocking her nose and mouth, so they never said what, but this was the new cause of death. She was suffocated. They also said there were no signs of sexual abuse, which contradicts the second autopsy. But this also contradicts the first autopsy, which said that her cause of death was the contusion. Yeah, like they're all different. Yeah, So doctor Felippe Takahashi is someone who did this third autopsy. He also said that she died three to five days before her body was found, meaning she would have been alive for a week after she disappeared. This kind of matches up with the first first autopsy that said she was already dead when she hit the water, so there was no water in her lungs. Yeah, but then it like it also undoes the first one because the first one was like, well, she could have been in the tank the whole time. Yeah, but then this also kind of makes it seem like she wasn't in the tank the whole time. There's just no answers, no none. You end up with more questions. It doesn't even it doesn't even begin to explain the level of decomposition she was found in if she had died through or five days before. There's more questions after each one, like instead clarity, there's confusion, yes, the opposite. No, but seriously, it's it's terrible. And so mistigators maintained that this third autopsy does not establish that she was murdered, but to me, it kind of does. I feel like it does also, Yeah, because now they can't say it was an accident. How does she get suffocated? How does she get in the cistern if she was suffocated? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. It isn't It isn't. So, but that they're maintaining that it's not, that's not what it is. Her family maintains that she was murdered and that she was planted in the water tank after the two searches had been done, which I honestly that I don't make the most sense. Yeah, Otherwise, how was she not found that lines up with the three to five days timeline? Yeah, but they you know, let's say, doesn't say it doesn't agree. So on eight prior twenty second, the day after she was found thousands marched in the streets of Mexico, not just No val Leone, but see that Mexico, well, Lajada, everywhere. There was a protest demanding justice for the Banni. In Balone, they even burned the governor's off I love when they do that. I am not against it, I don't care to support it. Yeah, and it's called for because yeah, at the time of her disappearance, she was one of thirty one women who disappeared or were founded in Voleon alone. And a reminder that these murders, I forget the actual specific statistic, but they are usually unresolved because of the all the impunity. So yeah, sometimes they had the burner building down and demand for justice. Yeah. It's also I don't know, it's just it's so tragic and infuriating to me that she herself was at one of these type of protests. Yeah, just a few weeks before herself. Yeah, yeah, it's terrible. Also, after her body was found, they also found a skeleton in front of the hotel. Unrelated, but yeah, what is going on? Where did it come from? I don't know. I'm gonna find more information about this skeleton that was found and how old. Is it that it's a skeleton? What is happening to that hotel? I don't understand. So, after the third autopsy was done, the bunny was buried in her mom's hometown of Galiana and El Pantheon Municipal, where hundreds attended her funeral. In January twenty twenty three, two hotel employees were charged with obstruction of justice really because they lied about the recordings the video surveillance. Oh and these are the first charges related to the Banni. Why lie? Like is somebody I don't know? No, tell me Heidi? Like? Right? They That's what I don't understand. What heard their business? If they were like associated with it, I'm wondering if you're only employee who cares? Yeah, So their last names are not revealed, they're not public, just their first names. So Anna, Luisa and Elida Urith are the first names. And they were the manager and the front desk worker of this motel. Dude, I would be so if I was a front desk worker and my manager tells me, oh, don't tell truth and then you get in trouble later, Like I don't know, of course, I don't know. If that don't happen here. But I feel like it makes me think of that scenario because it's a front desk worker and the manager like, yeah, wow, incriminated her. Yeah, by giving her these orders. Maybe maybe yeah, we don't know for sure where my hand goes, right. So they were the ones who said that there was no video footage of the motel property. And I keep using hotel hotel and interchangeably. I'm sorry, is there a case anyone gets confused? I've been saying motel and hotel, but what it's been saying both? All the news sources changed between the two, so no, motel was used more often, but I keep changing. I keep using the too, So if there's any confusion, it's the same place I'm talking about right right, the Castilla. So they're the ones who said there was no video footage of the motel. And when there was a search done of their homes and phones and they found their phones, yeah, phones, they like they deleted it and put it on their phones. Hy okay, wow. So they found the USB drives and a laptop with video footage from that day of the hotel. The videos are not public only the authorities like know what's on them and if there's any answers to what happened to the bunny on the videos? Interesting and maybe there is, because they were charged with ascript obstruction of justice. Yeah the last thing I saw. So they were arrestedent on January eleven, twenty twenty three, and then I read that there was a three month wait for the trial, but that they were going to go to trial for this. But then I couldn't find anybody when the trial was Yeah, if it happened already, the outcome, I cannot find that anywhere. Wow, So I don't know. I don't know what the deal was with that, since the moment she went missing to the moment she was found, and after it was like what's the word they use? Media circus? Like there was just yeah, I mean again the picture, the picture went viral, and it's like the last picture of someone before they went missing, Like those type of things always go viral anyway. But just all this, the more attention is being brought to all the femicides occurring in Mexico. So for all those reasons, it got a lot of media attention. And so her friends that were with her that night, they had multiple interviews which I listened to one and that was enough for me. They blamed the bunny for everything. I was gonna say, well, do they have regrets? And that's why I told you earlier like, wow, I'm just floored. I wouldn't even if that's what I had to say, I wouldn't show my face. I would feel so guilty. I wouldn't. I would. I would seek so much therapy and means to no blame myself. Yeah, for that night, And they instead were out there blaming her, say she was acting crazy and violent. But did they hurt fall about like that? The driver was like trying to grow her. I don't know. And if they did, I mean that was made public. Yeah, And if they did, they continued saying this. The driver did the same thing. He also had several interviews after he was released where he blamed her for acting crazy and violin and that she just got out and she wasn't listening. One interview I listened to were like, well, what about the video of you trying to group her? What about that? And he just sucks around it. He denies it. Wow, but it's on video. Also, that's not hers his first sexual assault charge. WHOA. He's been in jail for this before. Oh my god, see, like people like that shouldn't be driving for a company. Yeah, yeah, no, that's unsafe. Yeah. Her parents are on video on the news africat when exactly it happened in like the timeline of this. But he her dad was like, I blame Huan. What the hell is this guy's name? The DEDI drive? I didn't quant something for the longest time. His full name wasn't public either, and he's been he's not. He wasn't charged with this, He wasn't found guilty. They interviewed him and released him. Right, so Quayad something like that is his last name. Again, she wouldn't have fled his car if he had tried to assault her. Yeah, he's not blameless in this to me, which is why his name. Yeah, and the only reason no charges were pressent because she couldn't do it. Yeah, at the very least for the sexual assault it'sself. There seems to be no ties between him and her murder or disappearance other than the fact that she left his car, which honestly too, I think to most people would like, all right, isn't that enough? But they let him go for some reason, right, But her dad on video is like I blame like, this is his fall. Also the state. You guys suck. You guys don't know how to investigate, Like I've lost all my faith in you. And he's right, just right. And it's really sad because in the beginning, when she first went missing, he's like, I have faith in the government. I have faith in the authorities that I'm going to find her. You know, everyone we want to Yeah, everyone, Like nobody thinks most of the time, unless you're like quote woke whatever, but most people think, like, oh, the government is here to help me. If someone went missing, you would you would so hold for the best and help that yeah, yeah, yeah. And so now obviously because of everything that has happened and how everything has been handled, he's like, no, I have no faith in any of these anymore. And he actually tried running for I don't know what office himself. Really his whole purpose was like I want I don't want anyone else to be in the position I was in, Like I want people to have competent like leaders, but I don't know if you want. I couldn't find any information after that, but yeah, there was a lot of victim blaming, even from and it's no surprise, but like you know, Mexican news channels were like, oh well she was out drinking, Oh well, why did she go this and that, like blaming her. Her friends blamed her too. That's ridiculous. I can't even believe they d are just other faces like that and say that, like yeah, multiple interview at their interview, like I would literally I'd be ashamed. I probably, I don't know. They even blamed her parents for not answering their phones. They wouldn't. You wouldn't have had to call them if you didn't abandon your friend to a driver. You then assault in her, forced her to flee, and then harm came to her. Who knows how. Yeah, and it's like an interviews of theirs. They even tried to like distance themselves from the relationship they had with her, like you know, she's like, well, I only knew her for three months and then all the other girl I understand, she's like I met her that night once. It's like, you know, I feel like when and I hope it doesn't come off like victim blame me because I'm not, but like it's such a I feel like it's such a dangerous time when you're like in your party phase because if you get a little out of hand, like you had to trust the people around you to look out for you, and that's scary. You should you should be able to go out have a crazy party phase and be safe. Yeah, Like you shouldn't have to be afraid for your life every time you go out with your friends. Like, nobody should be out there taking advantage of people, and women more often than not women. Yeah, And I like, I literally wonder how I'm still alive sometimes because I'm like, no, same, I've done my fair share of shit. And then I'm like looking back and I'm like, what's that? No point in analyzing this? But you know. Yeah, and it's like yeah, like I don't. The only person to blame here is whoever did this to the money? Yeah, but man, there was so many times that this Like they could have just gone in the car with her, Yeah, Like for what for some dog ass men? You know? Like yeah, yeah, like I do this every weekend. Probably you don't mean anything to do them, and you're gonna ban your friend for that, yeah, Like I it just it would have been such a different story if her friends would have stayed with her. Yeah, and again it's not it's not their fall per se, it's whoever did this, right? Yeah, but man, just like I just think that. I'm like, I don't even care. If I would have just met that person that night, I wouldn't have left them alone, like we're going out together, for going down. Yeah, And like I can't stand like there's like so many posts on Reddit where they're like, oh, so and so is not a girl's girl. Like I just the term girls girl gets on my nerves. It's because it's been like overblown, like over yeah, you're blown, and like overuse the point where it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, but it's like I have to think a girl's girl wouldn't have left their girl. No, no, no. And it's also like I don't support all women. Some of y'all are dumb bitches like these two, you know. Yeah, I just like I put myself there. I'm like I could not do it. I could not leave someone like that. And like, man, anyway, So again, a lot of victimsly mean, and it's a real shame that that is what the state of the media is in Mexico specifically, is where I saw most of the type of coverage the case. It's it's such a big caste because it revealed a lot of the incompetence within the police department. And of course it's yet another case that adds to the number of femicides in Mexico. Yeah, and it just brings more light to the issue that is still ongoing. There were offers from like Mexican media to have a documentary or a show about the bunny and her father. When he was approached about this, he was like, no, he did it in such a like polite way where he like, he's like he thanked them for like wanting to bring light to his daughter and for their empathy, but he doesn't want to show he wants justice. He wants answers. And yeah, they deserve it at the release, they deserve to know what happened. That's no kind of proper investigation because yeah, that was a shoddy ass work right there. Yeah, and uh, this last Christmas was the family's second Christmas without their daughter. They released the video. I don't know if it's like a Joe like a Facebook page they have for her. I think it might be where they released this video, But they said the following premas they went as vibras La passing the pass Benidero and seen, oh my god, I can't read Stevens. And then in English, it's a little difficult for us to live these first holidays without our daughter. We didn't want to send you a message of good vibes, but we do want to wish you, uh, that this Christmas you have, you're full of love, peace, and that the coming year is full of blessings for you. So, I mean, even in their pain, they're like, I don't know, so kind and yeah, still today there's there's no no one charged with her. No, let me rephrase. Still today it's not ruled a murder. I mean that's yeah, well that alone. Yeah, we don't know what was on those videos. The family doesn't know. They did ask that the investigation be moved from the state to like federal, so like Bexico's version of an FBI, I don't know the acronyms, which is why I'm saying, yeah, and that did happen, but I don't know what else has happened since then, Like there's no more answers, but they are still demanding just for the bunny, rightfully. So yeah, I mean, we can only hope that there's answers that they know, because I don't know. I feel like not like this horrible. The last minutes of her life were already so scary. Yeah. The least that they deserve is to know what happened. Yeah, so yeah, that was the case of the Banny. Yes, gobad, And we'll take a little break together ourselves and then come back with speaky recommendations. Okay, well we're back. Speaky recommendations. Do you have any I read a book and a library called The Best Way to Bury Your Husband by Alexia Cassel. Cassell, I don't not pronounce it. She's British. Oh. I feel so funny sometimes reading British books because their English is so different. Oh yeah, yeah, and they learned a lot of new words. Let me find the same summary. Okay. A dark comedy about four women coming together to heal the damage their husbands have done and hide their bodies once they've killed them. When Sally kills her husband what they cast iron skillet, she's more fearful of losing her kids than of disposing of a fresh corpse. That just want to be fair, not after twenty years of marriage to a truly terrible man, but Sally isn't the only woman in town reaching the brink. Soon, Sally finds herself leading an extremely unusual self help group, and among them there are four bodies to hide. Can they all figure out the perfect way to bury their husbands and get away with it? First to join is former nurse Ruth, who met her husband as a single mom. Now her son is grown, and her husband's violence builds by the day, until an attack on the stairs leads to a fatal accident for him. A feudal's down. Samira's last straw comes when she discovers her husband is planning a campaign a violence against her eldest daughter, who has just come out. Janie, Sally's best friend, has just had her first child. At forty two, sleep deprived, Janie needs a hero to slip the monster in the fairy tales. She whispursued her daughter each night, and as her husband's violence escalates, it might just be her together if youeled by righteous anger but tempered by a moral core. The four women must help each other work out a plan to get rid of their husbands for good. Along the way, Sally, Ruth, Samira, and Jeanie rediscover old joys and embark on new passions in work, education, and life. Friendship and laughter really are the best medicine. And so it's getting away with murder and wow, that description just kind of told you the whole story. It really does, so it's interesting. Yeah, so what description and the title and everything, that's what, like, you know, caught my attention. I ended up like grading it three out of five because it was just okay, but it wasn't like bad okay, Like some parts felt a lot like very drawn out, like I feel like it could have been shorter. And then it was also cheesy at times. But I don't know if that's just me, Like I don't know, I just find stuff like too cheesy sometimes, like I don't know, sometimes you do. Yeah, so that might be a me problem. I don't know. And ratings are like subjective, you know, of course, like this might be a five out of five to somebody else, and I wouldn't judge them. The only book I would just somebody for liking is The Midnight Library. You know, I hated that book. I'm not going to read it based way too cheesy. Okay, anyway, so yeah, times is cheesy, but I feel like the story is so important, like about surviving domestic violence and thriving after domestic violence. It's such an important story to tell, and so I feel like the story kind of overrides the cheesiness and some of the boring parts. There were some funny parts too, but I wouldn't, like, straight up call it a comedy. Okay, it wasn't bad, though, Like I would still recommend it. I feel like the one like sentence I made up in my head to summarize it, and I'm going to start doing this for books now, is it's not the husband's you kill, but about the friends you make along the way. Oh my god, that's funny. I like it sounds inspiring, Yeah, doesn't it? Yeah? Okay? Is that you're only speak your comminition? Yes, okay, sometimes you have several so I had to check. It's because I didn't finish any audiobooks because the last one I talked about, Our Share of the Night, was so long, the longest audiobooks of my life. I want to read it, like, actually read the book, so I mean, okay, I can still read it. I feel like, what's the audiobook like? Twenty six hours? Yeah? Okay, it's like and I know, buy like seven hundred pages. Oh, I like the fifteen hour twelve to fifteen hour, but that's a sweet spot. That's a sweet spot. Sometimes I read D six seven or one and I'm like, wow, that was too fast. Yeah, so yeah, like twelve hours and yeah, most of them were like twelve thirteen hours, I feel like, but yeah, I like three hundreds to three one hundred and twenty nine page hours. I was like, oh my that I can't that's a journey listening to this, and I was like, I wasn't tired of it because it was good, but kind of looking at once and it kind of like put me off of audiobooks. I did start listening to them, but I haven't finished it because I've done anything for the past three days and I listened to audiooks on I Need two stuff. Also, I started listening to If We Were Villains. I've heard that okay, and by mL Rio I think is the name of the author. I haven't heard of it. It's like a thriller, but I'm still listening to it. I'm like, I feel like I'm not I don't even think i'm halfway yet. I'm not sure. And I just started reading another book too, on kindle on my kindle from the library, just the only way I use the kindle now because I'm like, I'm not going to purchase a book. Yeah, an evil and movies around? What book is it? What is it called? What is it called? The Love of My Afterlife? Oh? That sounds cute. Yeah, it's like a cute little romance, I think, But what the afterlife tied into it? I could so see this as a movie. Okay, I'm going to look for it to place a hold. Also a British author, Oh what's up with you in the Britain? I don't know? Or since Australian wrong? Actually okay, I was gonna say if we were villains. It's not British, but it did. There's a lot of Shakespeare in it, so it makes me think of it. There's some British characters also in it. Okay, where does it take place? I feel like so New York? But after life one does Anyway, I'll talk about these like next name later, Yeah, okay, okay, Well I started reading this book called The Devil in Silver by Victor Loval. I saw I saw that on story graphs. Yeah, and I took a h each other. Yes, yeah, you're one one other person I follow. I took a screenshot and I was like, oh, I've like heard so much about his books, and then I was going to screenshot, and then I never did, so I'm glad to talk about it. I I heard it was an asylum the story. I've heard of this book, and then I'm actually, you know what, I've been wanting to find one because I remember got the Gus carried me so much when we were young. Yeah, and I'm like, I want to feel that again. So that's why I checked it out. I'm literally in the first like three chapters, so so I can't, you know, say if it's good or not yet, but if you want an asylum story, it has really good reviews. I don't think it will disappoint me. I really don't, but I can't say I can't talk about it because I don't know much about it. But it's a black author, it's a black name protagonist, Victor Laval. I thought I had books of his in my La V A l Ee. But so that's one of my spooky recommendations and my other one. I finally finished The Walking Dead, which I did an noow. It's on Instagram. I also made a poll like who is still watching? Who loved it, who hated it? Who just gave up on a certain place? Sixty percent of our people that voted in our poll gave up on it at the point. Yeah, I have a feeling that it was probably Glenn. Yeah, that was when a lot of us stopped. For so many people, it was Glenn. And if it wasn't Glenn, sorry spoil a Carl. Yeah yeah, so yeah. And then some people just never watched it or never liked it. And then there was like twenty percent of people who were like I love it, and I was like, well, you guys are my people. I guess overall, I honestly, if you like Zombies, it's it's worth a full watch of the full show. I think personally. There are some points where you're like, oh my god, like why is this happening? But overall it's it's it's a classic. And again, like, nothing will ever top seasons one through five for me, Yeah, so good at the very least seasons one through three, Like, for sure, I don't know if I'm going to check out the new spin offs, I probably will, honestly, Specifically, Daryl Dixon and then The Ones Who Live, which is about Rick and Mi Shone because oh, I love me show. I don't care how much like plow armor people think she has, like, oh, she's just the best and she deserves all the plot armor, Like she survives everything? Is that a plot arm means? Yeah? Yeah, like she nothing can hurt her, and yeah, I love her and I know I want her to live forever. So so I'll probably check that one out. I'm not sure i'll all check out the other one that has Meagan and Maggie because I don't like Meagan. I don't like I think it's reschotic. So like Vegan, because doesn't he like become good or whatever he does. He does get a really good redemption arc that he deserves redemption arc under that. Yeah, and but so many people love him and he you know what the show didn't And you love to love the bad guys. Yeah, I can't. I can even It's just he does get better, but I just can't forget what he did. I can't, So I don't think i'll watch that spin off. Dead City is what it's called. I did start Fear of the Walking Dead, but I hear out there. Season four it gets a little like terrible. Really, it becomes the Morgan show. That's when Morgan leaves The Walking Dead and goes over to Fear the Walking Dead. But the first three seasons. I'm in season two of Fear the Walking Dead, and honestly, I just love, like all the Spanish speaking representation. I might watch just for that. Yeah. Some of the main characters are Salvi's, which there's never Salvadorians in a show that's not about deportation, and they're confused for Mexican. But no, what kind of Salve I don't know yet, but he might have done some horrible things during the Civil War. I think it's the vibe I'm getting. Oh no, but it's the first time I heard Voss in a zombie show. We're like, come on, he said it, he said it my favorite sand And then they go to Mexico. They're in Mexico. They're in a little Mexican village. It's a little cartel village. I'm not sure yet. I can't even escape up for cartel storylines in the zombie Buncle lips. We can't. I don't think we can. I'm not sure yet. I don't know yet. I'm speculating. However, it's set in Mexico, so you know, I gotta take my wins. It's not perfect representation, yeah, but it's there. It's there, And honestly, The Walking Dead, I think that's why I was so obsessed with it for a little bit, because there's just so many non white characters that are important to the story. Yeah, there's a in season. It's the season ten or eleven, but a new Latina joins the show. Her name is Princess in the Walking Deon. Yeah. Yeah, and she's like, they're like, are you crazy. She's like, uh No, I'm not crazy. I mean I have a DHD anxiety and depression now. Yeah, I love her. She's one of my favorites. I love her. Is that me? Yeah? And then Drosita Christian Serratos, Yeah, she was my favorite. When I was watching The walkingdon my Latina zombie Apocalypse queen and I'm like, how does this bitch good enough? Fucking apocalypse for real? And I don't blame her. If anyone was to look good in a zombie apocalypse, it would be her. Eyebrow was killing it and I understand I'm not any here questioning no hair, friends, I can't even get that in day to day life, No, but she can do it in the Zombie a Pocalypse. And I believe it. I love it, and I love it. I din' question it. So yeah, that's my Those are my recommendations. I could go on, but I won't. I'll let you leave. It's all we late. I gotta put my kids to bed. He said we were going to do a Patreon Oh okay, yeah, before we go, there's some things I want I have planned for Patreon that I want to talk about because I'm not done obsessing over The Walking Dead and I'm sorry, So I want to talk about I want to do an episode where we bring our favorite zombie media. So it could be books we don't play, we don't play. We already have my favorite media. I won't say here on my way for Patreon. Yeah, and wait for Patreon. And I mean mine is not just The Walking Dead. There's so much zombie books out there that I've read as well, and so we're going to do that. And then we said vampires was the other one? Yeah, yeah, okay, vampires. Oh and then we should do just horror oh yes, yes, which I think is one of Is that one of your favorite, like chorus of genres, I feel like it is, although I don't think i've read too much. Oh actually I kind of have, well, not that much, A little bit. Whatever, we'll get into it. Zombies and religious horror is one of my favorites. Yeah, yeah, I think religious. I think I think I enjoyed zombies more than you. I enjoy zombies. I just feel like I don't like seek it out that often. For some reason. I had a phase, you know, when The Walking Dead was out, I was reading all the zombie books. That's true, that's true. Yeah, Okay, well we'll go because it's been this has been long enough. I can't believe I survived this. I know you kept yanning it, and I was like, you weren't dying as much as that other time though, Oh my god, the Quad Black Guid just powered through it. This time. You did. 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