The Exorcism of Maria Pizarro

Hi, this is Christina, and at the time of this episode release, Carmen and I are on vacation mode visiting our grandma and the rest of our family in Mexico. And because of that, we decided to split this episode into two parts. So you'll hear Carmen's paranormal portion of the episode this week, and next week you'll hear my part of the episode. And after this we'll be back to normal episodes. All right, and onto the episode. I said episodes too many times. Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of Speaky Tales podcast for all things spooky antro crime in Latin America. And I tried to work on my intro because Carmen only the patron members heard it. But Carmen was bullying me last week. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, okay. On today's episode, we have a crazy exorcism story for the paranormal portion, and then a very sad but ends with someone surviving with the survivor you know. Yeah so, But before we get to our two stories, we do have a listener story and if you want to send a story to us, you can email apok Do at gmail dot com. You can submit it on Discord, you can DM it on any of the socials. You can call these Spooky hotline and leave a voicemail. Any of those are fine. We love receiving them, and we're running shorts, so please send them. Oh no, yeah, I have like three. Usually there's more backups, and so you have three left? Yeah? Oh no, Please send us more stories please? All right? You want to read this one? Yeah? So this is from Venissa and we have a location Quell Lakes McDonald's on West March Lane in Stockton. I know they sent this after seeing the Stockton video. I love it. You know what, send us more Stockton stories. We love a two o nine story. Yeah. I actually have driven by this McDonald's, so you have. We haven't been inside. No, why want to go to McDonald's. Yeah, I don't need They're disgusting. There's better fast food places, you know. Yeah, okay, to mention them feeding a genocidal right also that? Okay, So this happened in twenty ten and twenty fifteen, so let's get into the story. In twenty ten, I had started my first job as a crew member at Quell Lake's McDonald's. I was so fairly new, so my hours were limited. The assistant manager at the time knew I was looking to work more hours, so when I started at four pm, she asked me if I would be interested in staying a few hours longer to cover a front lobby closing shift. She made it clear what my responsibilities were, you know, cleaning, sweeping, mopping, not only the dining room, but both the men and the women's restrooms. What she didn't tell me was that the women's restroom was haunted. But I needed the money, so it was whatever, and I took the extended hours. It was my first night meeting the closing crew, so I stayed cleaning the lobby and out of everyone's way. Ten pm and the doors were already locked by the closing manager. I didn't know the lights and music were on an atomatic timer, so it shook me when they went off. There are technically only three closures by the end of the night, the drive through person, the girl person, and the manager. Since I was a lobby person, my shift ended at midnight. Eleven PM is around the corner and I'm ready to clean the restrooms. As I'm walking towards the restrooms, a loud herring scream from what sounded like a little girl came from the women's side. I froze where I stood, and before I could even process what I heard, it happens again, the same little girl scream coming from the women's restroom. I didn't move until a closer came up to the register and asked if I was okay. I didn't hear that. She just nonchalantly replies, what the little girl's screaming? Yeah, she does that sometimes. Excuse me the way I would die. I asked the closure to stay with me to check the restrooms out, and nobody was there. Nothing was there. It never happened again. Fast forward five years later, a week after I had quit, I stayed for lobby clothing, retelling this story to the closures as they wait to clock in, since we were exchanging spooky stories. As soon as I finished showing the story, the sign for the women's restroom falls and it makes a loud sound hitting the ground. We all got We all got spooked out of our seats and went our separate ways. I'll never forget it. Oh my god, no, no, that's terrifying. Also, I love that they were just sitting there sharing scary stories me too. Yeah, you never worked the fast food john did you? No privileged? I'm sorry. I only worked seasonal at Tjmax and Macy's. I was gonna say the way you forge connections with someone in fast food because y'all are torrenching or trenches forging the trenches or whatever the term is, like in the trenches. It's the real war in America. Like, thank you for your service, fast food workers. That's who we should thanking all the sides. Yeah, that is who should be all the signs, who we should be thinking because it is rough. Yeah, the closing shift and restrooms traumatizing. I never had to clean the restroom. I thought it was too good for it. But I did do it, like twice. One time I walked into I don't I feel like we've said this before, but I worked at the Chicken Barn in my youth eighteen eighteen my youth, Yeah, and the yeah, I was closing and they were like, oh, I go clean the bathrooms. And I went there and there was just like no, this wasn't even closing. It was like in the afternoon. Anyway. I went in there and there was like a shit smeared all over the walls and I were ran out screaming and I was like, oh my god, there's shit everywhere. And I was like, have heaving in the middle of the and there's too but I can be Yeah, I was packed. It was lunch hour, that's what time. It was, oh, between twelve and noon, and I was like in the middle. Oh my, I was like you They were like stop screaming that there's like poop all over the walls. And it was like that's everywhere. A lot just yelling and screaming, and like so many people walked up and left. Actually, you know what, I sometimes the Modesto some bread. It will pop up to me and then I will click to see what always up. And so somebody posted a thread about the grossest restaurants in Modesto. I remember it was kind of yes, the Chicken Barn was on it, and so I told my husband like, how you used to work there, right, and how we used to get food from there, blah bah blah, and he's like, oh, you should try some time. I was like, actually, we can't try it. I can't do that because it's favor Glosses played this yeah, yep, and they had like details about what was gross about it. Something about it was someone who used to work there, but and more recently than you. But I don't remember the years or when they were there or they were still there and whatever point is, they worked there at some point and it was like it been about like employees not washing their hands, like putting their hands in their butts, and hopefully I'm not missed remembering either way, it was grossed though. For the record, while we had food from there, I never saw anyone do this. Oh okay, good, Yeah, I mean it's too late. I ate the food, you know, but it was years ago, you know, yeah, so long ago. Whoever was putting their pans down their butt it wasn't there because I can't see it. I'm not sure. But yeah, it's one of the most successing places. And then raising canes was also on there. Some people said, well, what they said is that their chicken they got it wasn't cooked all the way. Yeah, but nothing not washing hands. Yeah, I don't know. I think about that sometimes I'm like, oh my god, maybe it's just stop eating out, but I can't stop eating out. You know, like some people don't wash their hands and you can get sick. You can get happtitus a dysentery. What a dysentery? How the fuck do you pronounce it? A century? No? No, wait, whatever, second way you said it, I think sounded right. The centery. Is that how I said it? I think so? Anyway, that'shit spreading through Borlin right now. So I saw that? Where else? Did I see? I saw somewhere else outside of the Oregon Trail. They were saying it was from the unhoused community because they don't have like where to use the bathroom, you know, or wash their hands, and yeah, so that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, anyway, I was gonna add okay, sorry really quick. This story reminded me about how I applied to McDonald's. When I was going to MGC and they didn't fucking hire me, and I was like, are you fucking serious? Oh no, same when I was applying everywhere, no one was hiring. We were there actually at the open interviews together. Oh yeah, we were, yeah, competing, they didn't well, they didn't hire either one of us. No, I also went to open interviews. That's some grocery store that was like American grocery store. Our friend I didn't know the names of some vegetables and that's why they didn't hire Wow, and he knew apparently, I don't know, you know, the sad thing. The only reason Chicken Barn hired me and so fucking disgusting to I know, I know. Yeah, but they were like, well, we're only look for like people. And so the manager was trying to go about it, avoiding saying what it really was. He's like, we try to look for people that look good up on the cash register, like they're presentable, they're charismatic. And then boss, the owner passed by and he was like, you have to be pretty. You can't be ugly up here. And I was like, I remember Jessica telling me about that, our other friend that worked there. We yeah, we worked at together and it was so fun. I'm telling you. We were We went through the trenches together. Yeah, that's real war. And I say that as a veteran. Well, famously, you didn't go to war, so true, true, true, I only went. We went to go have fun and visit all the countries in Europe. I almost deployed once. Almost. Oh okay, I guess we should get into this possession. And that's really yes, Okay, So before we share the possession of Maria Pisaro. We got this information from a scholarly I feel like I said that. We're a scholarly article by the Chilean historian Rene Millard Garvacco, who dedicated his life to studying colonial times and the Inquisition in Chile and Peru. And honestly I stand for that. Don went through it to give us this. Now I remember her time about that. Thank you, Don, Yes, thank you. The forty page article is called Entre Angeles Demonios Maria Pisaro elenki Cicion de Lima and it was posted in two thousand and seven. So Maria Pisaro was born in Lima, Peru, in fifteen fifty to Catalina Sermigno and Martin Pisaro, a long distance relative of the Spanish conquistado or Francisco Pisaro. Gross. Yeah, Maria. I grew up in a big family that included four brothers and two sisters, but very early lost her father and youngest sister Anna. So Maria was raised by her very traditional mother, who forbade her daughters from getting an education. Because of this, Maria only learned how to sew and stitch since her mother felt these were some of the few skills are proper lady needed. Maria's mother did not think much of her daughter and believed she wouldn't make a good wife or mother. Madia's biggest hater her mom. Sometimes it is oh, yeah, so sad, sad, so yeah. The mom didn't believe that she would make a good wife for mother, so when Maria was an adolescent, she forced Maria into a convent so she could begin her life as a nun. That plan never came to fruition, though, as Maria was quickly kicked out of the convent after nuns accused her of having a sharp tongue. Love that for her. Yeah, and she also didn't have the necessary skills to be a nun, according to the nuns. I wonder what those skills are. I don't know. Maybe she could pestivity. I'm not sure. She couldn't read. Maybe maybe I don't know. So why did it matter? These nouns thought well to put the historical period Madia lived through into context. Madia was coming of age a few years before the Peruvian Inquisition started. The Peruvian Inquisition, which began in fifteen seventy and lasted until eighteen twenty was a period in time where the Spanish crown gave religious leaders the power to accuse, gather, punish, and torture anyone who did not follow the Catholic doctrine. The Catholic Church also banned and burned any books that did not promote Catholicism. It was like Latin America's version, and I mean put on by Spain, but their version of the witch trials, like the famous Salem witch trials and all the witch burnings, like this was their version of it. Yeah. Well, it was around this time that, at eighteen years old, Madia had her first and nervous breakdown or what they called it back then, a brain spasm. I have those all the time. The attack lefters so weak that she was taken to a priest so she could confess and be given her last rites. They thought she was dying, which in Catholicism for anyone who doesn't know, is considered a holy sacrament a person is supposed to receive from a priest when they're about to die. Her family took her to a group of priests known as the Order of the Dominicans, since her brother Martin himself was a Dominican Friar. It was this group of religious followers and leaders who were first exposed to Madia's first demonic fits. According to the group of religious leaders, when trying to bless Maria, she began to laugh or scream randomly. The priest figured this must be a symptom of Maria's illness, so they brought in a doctor who was unable to figure out what was wrong with the eighteen year old, which probably didn't do anything at that time period. Right, this reminds me of when I was reading Kindred and the doctor's like, we have to what do they call it? A bloodlet? Oh? Yeah, let's place. Finally, the leader of the group of priests determined Maria must be possessed. There's no other possibility to hear, of course that's the only answer. Yeah. After this, Maria went fifteen days without eating or talking. The priest took this as confirmation that Maria was indeed possessed. What else could it mean? Right, Maria's behavior was so erratic. She began to jump, roar, scratch her face, and move around the house so forcefully that her own family was unable to team her. Desperate for help, Maria was taken to the priest of San Sebastan, who was known for successfully performing exorcisms. At the time, possessions were an anomaly in Peru, so people from across the country came to view Maria, the first woman to be possessed in Peru. So I guess she became like a zoo exhibit, not them making like a little show. Right, yeah, insane, although I guess to be fair, there wasn't much else to do, right, I mean, what do people do all day besides the work? There's no TikTok. But people, I heard it back then, they only worked like a few It's not like today, you know, where we had our eight hour workday. Like, they worked when they needed to, like whatever they need to get done, and then whatever. I'm assuming they had their nap time, because that's a tradition from Spain, which I wish we adopted here. Yeah, and yeah that was only for the lean of for the lowly workers, which we would have fallen under. Oh they didn't have naps. I'm assuming that they've there's always been a class of people that have been forced to work. Yeah, well yeah, and so they don't get naps. I just thought they would. I thought everything closed down. Oh, I don't know, whatever, it doesn't matter. Some people love convinced that Maria was possessed, and others believed that perhaps Madya was suffering from epilepsy. Did they know what epilepsy was back then? Don or do they now believe? Like, I'm not sure, it doesn't specify, so whatever. But none of this did much to convince the priests, who were sure the devil had taken over Madia's body. Soon after, Maria displayed a scarier behavior and was so strong that it would take more than three people to hold her down. One day, while she was surrounded by the priests, Maria confessed that she made a deal with the devil ooh, and ranged by her mother's desician to leave her behind while she took her sister with her to attend cattle in Adequipa on that day. So she left Maria, yeah, and so she was pissed. She just pissed. And so she made a deal with the devil because she was pissed. I don't know what he's feeling that it's funny. So on that day, while under a fig tree on her brother's property, she summoned the devil himself, who appeared to her, dressed as a charming man, as one does if you're the devil. You know. Yeah, he's always well dressed. It's a given, it's a staple. Yeah. The devil offered Maria his services in exchange for her her what soul? Yeah, Maria agreed, and to see all the packed she gave the devil from her middle finger, a strand of hair and a ring. How long was the hair on her finger and then she was able to pull it off and give it to the devil. I'm not sure. Actually, that's kind of the most disturbing thing out of all this. Wow, people, you're right. I'm sorry, I shouldn't judge. Yeah. Shocked by what they heard, the group of Dominicans, which included Fire alonocon Friar juand Los Angeles and Fire Francisco de la Cruz, gathered with the group of Jesuits who decided what to do with Maria. By the end of the meeting, both religious groups decided they must continue with Maria's exorcism. I can't imagine what are the conclusion they would ever come to. With everyone on board, their first exorcism began Friday morning and lasted till Saturday afternoon. But it's not that long. Only two days. Yeah, a weekend, Yeah, weekend exorcism. What are your plans this weekend exorcism? The religious men were quickly confronted by the demons inside of Maria. According to the report, they claimed that demons would take control of Maria and answer on her behalf when they would ask a question, and they would try to feed Maria, she would projectile, vomit everything back out. All of this fell to work, and eventually the religious men brought in father son Sebastan to help with the extracism. Father Sebastian was able to successfully get the demons to appear and answer his questions. Next, the group of men brought in the archbishop, who analyzed the situation and it's dead. Believe Madia needed food, so he took the weak team to his home and fed and took care of her. That's kind of nice. Yeah. Days and later, Madia had not recovered, so the archbishop brought her back home and told the group of religious men to continue the extracism. He said, nevermind the model, and this is what she really popped off. After this day, the group of men performed several extorcisms on Maria around the clock twenty four to seven. They were like, the devil works hard, but we work harder. According to fire better than too. He performed the arcticisms for thirty six days, removing at least one demon a day. That's lot. But but but somehow Maria was still possessed. It's almost like maybe she's not possessed way, But how many demons are there, like in existence in general, like thousands? Oh wow, oh oh, I don't know. I'm just saying, oh, you're guessing. I'm guessing. I think so, though I think that there's a lot. I think you're right. The limit does not exist. Friar better than Toro blamed it on mischievous demons who made them think they had left but remained in Maria's body. I guess that makes sense, Like there's not thirty six de minuts, it's the same demons that just pretend to leave and then don't or something that. Yeah, then rather than thirty six actual demons. Yeah. The desperate religious leaders then it dragged Maria to a church where they believe they'd finally be able to rid her of the demons. I thought she was at a church this whole time. I guess, yeah, me too. I thought she's interested their church. I guess maybe she was like in their office or something. I don't know. Yeah, but that didn't work either, So they took Madyat back to her home, where the exorcisms didn't slow down, and the priests took turns conducting exorcisms and taking care of Maria. At one point, the priests claimed to have exercise at least eighty demons for Maria's body. They're ramping this number up. Wow, yeah, we went thirty six Yeah right, yeah, one a day to thirty six to eighty. Interesting. The situation turned even darker when the priest decided to use corporal punishment to get rid of the demons. I knew it was heading here. It always does with the Spanish inquisition and exorcisms in general. Yeah. They began to slap Maria and tie her arms and legs up. This backfired, and in response, Madia would get more aggressive. I mean, who wouldn't, right right. The Dominicans then switched it up and tried to use flattery to win Media's trust and trick the demons inside her. I like this a little better, more compassionate they gave Madia money, fabrics, and jewelry, and in return, the demons began to use the priest answers and identifying who they were, which is what they need their love language. If love languages were like real, not made up by some straight Christian man that only applied to Christians, it would be gift giving or gift receiving, right, and so yeah, I mean they needed the names of the real demons or the actual demons to successfully perform your extracism. So all they wanted was the little gifts. They just needed a little love, you know. Okay, So do you want to guess who the demons were? No, I can't remember any other demon's name. I was gonna guess it wrong. Okay, it's fine. The demons identified themselves as bas Martin and Lupillo Martin and lay Barrabas. I get. But wow, yeah, yeah, Barrabas is a very demonic type name. Like it sounds like yeah, yeah, what's the other very famous sozo I think is another one people mentioned a lot you always said, right, that's only the other one I can think? Yeah, Martin and Lupillo, like so random. Something is not like the others. For real. Barrabas told the priests that he was the leader of the demons. That makes sense to me, prince among them, who was telling the demons what to do and how to act, A real leader, if you will. Yeah, and they need a leader, right. Barrabas told the priest that Maria had not been harmed and she was only suffering pain when the priests tried to exercise her. Wow, imagine like the ones hurting her, not us. We're just chilling in her body. That's it. We're not doing anything wrong. She's actually more hurt when you try to exercise us. So just leave us bee in her body to stop it. She gave us consent to be there. I don't know if they did. I know she did, actually I don't know at well, well, maybe she did it with the pact, because yeah, she agreed to the Devil's whatever deal. Yeah, okay. According to the demons, Maria was randomly laughing because the demons were entertaining, seducing her and giving her gifts. What kind of gifts were they giving her? Actually that sounds kind of nice, does not the gifts of entertainment introduction? You're right, you're right. Later on, during another exorcism, Maria saw a bright light followed by the angel San Gabriel, the messenger of La Virchin, who with an arrow killed eight thousand demons. There's eight thousand demons out there. Wow. Yeah wow. This became a trend, and for the next several days, mariac claimed that San Gabriel is stopped by her room and continued to rid her body of the spirits. Okay, well, he's doing his job. Yeah. As the day's passed, Maria's tone change and she told the priest she was no longer in communication with the devil, but was now receiving messages from the angels and saints. Verty supernatural, that's what I can think of. Very supernatural. Oh my god, she told the priest. Angels have told her she was chosen by God, which convinced the religious leaders. They are now in the presence. They were now in the presence of something holy. They believed her. What if it's a demon's joking though it probably is. Yeah, they're dumb. Next, Maria told the priest she had received it buying a message which said Jesus considered her one of his wives. This is why religious. Yes, I'm like, this is when red flags should have been raising for them, Right, Jesus didn't have wives. Yeah, the demons inside her are like this, my god. Maria told the priests that the angels and saints called upon them to bring her gifts to please God, who wanted to charm Maria. Doesn't sound right, This all sounds very wrong. According to Maria, she accepted jesus offer, and eventually she had a vision where they were married and several saints and biblical figures attended the ceremony. I'm not sure. I'm not convinced neither. This excited the priest, who was looking forward to having a closer connection to God via Maria. This is why they were fooled. They weren't being who they're supposed to be. They had an agenda to get closer to God. Yeah, which I guess makes sense, But this is like a The difference is obviously the greedy way to go about it, and it's not real right. But for some reason, Maria told the priest that even though she was married to Jesus, she still had demons inside her and began to instruct the priests on how to conduct her exorcisms. Oh my god, sometimes they a man needs a woman to tell them how to do it, So I don't see how that would not apply it to exorcisms. Maybe you're right. The only positive about this turnative event is that the priests were now documenting everything since they believed they were getting instructions from a holy figure. So thank you before I guess not. They were even more convinced when Maria said God was using her to give the priests prophecies and special powers. Sure know. Yeah. While the group of Dominicans were following everything Maria was saying, the group of Jessoits were skeptical of Maria's claims and decided to remove themselves from the situation. Okay, just with They were like, no, don't involve us anymore. This is getting weird to weird, and things get even weirder and darker. Oh my god. The holy Man that remained began to act less than Holy Friar Luis Lopez and Friar better than Toro began having an intimate relationship with Maria while continuing to perform your face Sorr. Yet while continuing to perform exorcisms on Maria, both eventually impregnating her. Oh both of them. Wow, No, fuck them. That's disgusting. This is a woman with the medical disorder of possession. She's being possessed by so many spirits she cannot consented to them. Wow. No, I knew it was going to go there, Like I just knew it. Yeah, because when does it? Right? In between exorcisms, she continued to give the Dominicans list of what she needed, which included jewelry that, according to her, would help her feel better. Honestly on her side about this, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure she did talk about it. You need Maria Pisaro. In July fifteen seventy one, Friar Gascon began to have second thoughts about what he and other Friars were doing with Maria. Now you're having second thoughts, okay. Many assumed that the skepticism might have been triggered by the start of the Peruvians Inquisition, which sought to punish anyone who wasn't following the Catholic doctrine to a t still looking out for themselves as always, Yeah, looking for guidance or for a way to clear himself in case anyone accused him of Anythina and Holy Friar Gascon he knew he was doing something wrong. Friar Gascon sent a letter to the bishop and an inquisitor explaining everything that had happened in the last three years and named everyone who was involved. Switch Switch three years right. The inquisitor launched an investigation, and by October fifteen seventy one, the inquisitor told Friar Francisco de la Cruz he was not allowed to get near Maria, so the investigation was done. You know what would be like, what I feel like happened here is that they weren't even looking into them until they snitch on themselves, and then they were like, let's investigate them. Oh I'm sure, yeah, they got themselves caught up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Financisco. The Lacruse did not listen and visited Maria to tell her what to say and to not tell the investigators. Two months later, investigators decided to arrest the Lacruse, the Toro Gascon, and after speaking with the three, the investigators decided they would also arrest Maria. Pedro De lasted three years in jail before he died of illness. Alanto Gascon, on the other hand, served more jail time and was tortured when inquisitors felt his apology was not genuine. Okay, Friar Luis Lopez was found guilty and sent back to Spain and prohibited from receiving confessions from women. Okay, well, okay, that sounds fair. Yeah. Francisco de la Cruz was handed the worst punishment. He tried to defend himself and in the process lost his mind and said he was a new prophet sent to Earth to help spread Mariia's messages. Okay, but what if it was true? Right about that? He was sentenced to be tortured, and when he refused to say he was wrong, he was burned alive. Maria, on the other hand, collaborated with the investigators and told them everything she went through was true. She told them she couldn't remember anything that happened because when when she spoke with the Devil and angels, she would go into a trance. Therefore she couldn't be held accountable, which makes sense to me. Yeah, of course. She was sentenced on June first, fifteen seventy three, after admitting to having a relationship with the devil. Wow, who else can say that? You know? No, right, everyone else who danced with him, they just danced with him. They didn't have a relationship, but you know, you know that was her writer die Wow or his writer Die I'm not sure. Was she the writer or die I'm not sure. So yeah, it doesn't matter, that doesn't matter. The Church took all of Maria's belongings. She was sentenced to Gel, where throughout the following years she expressed regret. She died inside Agel in December fifteen seventy three, at the age of twenty three. Young. Wow, that was wild. That was wild too many all the way, And you know what, I think she was wrongfully imprisoned here. I agree, no, but really in a like serious manner. The Spanish inquisition was just like one a way to you know, control right people obviously, but also like people that ended up like stuff. In the most was like she was probably not really possessed, right, and she was probably just you know, yeah, going through it mentally, and then she's accused of all these things, and then then she had to get advantage of, yes, and then during all those things she's taken advantage of So yeah, of course she's not going to come out get to go after this looking at her making her look more possessed. Yeah, so yeah, but man, that was that was wild. Yeah. 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