The Hand and the Creepy House with Scary Mystery Surprise

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I always want to add stories somewhere in there because everything else the story. Yeah, that's why. That's why Edwin and Michelle. I'm so excited to have you guys here. But yeah, if you guys want to tell everyone about the podcast, I will add if you guys like as Spooky Tells, you will also like Scary Mystery Surprise, I will. Well, you know we were naming it. Edwin wanted it to be Scary Mystery Box. Don't tell anyone that, so I the box. Yeah, the box made it, but thank god it's not our name in the box anyway. Scary you know it is, you don't. It is not a boxing podcast, Edwin and I Oh Scary Mystery Surprise, and it is a paranormal comedy podcast where we tell each other stories, kind of surprising the other one of what, you know, just trying to freak the other one out a lot of the time. Yeah, and then you know, there's some sound design, there's some laughs. Come along with us, come on the journey, you know. And if you hear any wrestling, that's my dog who is becoming impatient and angry. He's like the third host. And Scary Mystery Surprise, that's Robert. If you hear any weird noises, Yeah, sometimes we're recording and I just see like an object flag across the room, and I'm always like, Michelle, did you see that? It's just like, yeah, that was Robbie. He threw definitely Robert, and he's you know, mad about something. So he's just an angry little chihuahah boy chih wah wah pug, Chihuahua pug. Yeah, he's a chug, great American chug. I don't think i've seen that Chihuahwa pug. Oh he's very handsome. He probably won't let me pick him up. No, he's chewing on the Facebook toy right now. So I'm just doing Scary Mystery Surprise. It came more as like an idea to try to because all the other shows were just narrative and we're coming up like the shows in Scary f like in the in the network. So we're like, I wanted something else. So Michelle and I met at a bar literally like we were at a podcast move. We're just like we should come up with the show, and she didn't believe we were going to make a show. She was like, yeah, okay, it's never gonna I love this. Wow, my face just went what do you mean you were? You were so offended. And do you know how many people just say they want to do a project and like never do a project, like I mean, I mean guilty. Yeah, yeah, like especially because I you know, I live in Los Angeles. You know how many people have been like, yeah, let's do something and then you never see them again. And you were you were never going to see you again because they like bailed, like that night outside I'm going to say, yeah, and I left, no exchange of phone numbers, no contact cars. It was just like no. And then I found you. Luckily, I found you the next day at the other bar like podcast Emily Shoes or whatever, and like he was city there and I was just like hey, and then we just chatted and I told him some ghost stories and then he's like who you can you tell me the story of my poo poo coos And I was like yeah, sure, and then we finally exchanged details and then and then that's how the legend was born. That's how Scary Mystery Surprise story. So I did get it. Yeah, it is, it is. This is great. I did not know. That's how this started. After that's what we started the podcast, right like we're like, oh yeah, we were like talking about it and then it was like I think, yeah, Like it had to have been a couple months after that where it was like, oh, yeah, let's do something and then we started Scary Mysteries. Yeah. It's been cool, it's been cool. It's great. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. But yeah, excited to be here, by the way, Christina, super super excited. Yeah, super excited to be here. Yes, oh yeah, I'm very excited to have both of you here. I don't think i've even said we on the podcast, just on Instagram, but we're part of Scary FM now it's Pooky Tells. Whoops, Yeah we are, and so honestly, just a line of great, great podcasts. So very exciting, very exciting to be part of it. Okay, so I have a listener story. We're gonna hear it. And if you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email us Pooky Dos at gmail dot com. You can call our our Spooky hotline. I don't know the number, but it's in the show notes. It's always there. I will never memorize it. I'm so sorry. You can also attach a voice note to an email. That's always super fun. I love hearing people tell their own stories. But this person sent it via email, so we're just we're gonna read it. Hi, guys, my name is Edith, and I'm starting this off by saying how much I love your podcast. Thank you. It's been so fun listening to you, adding it to my rotation of scary pods, specifically because you touch on Latin American folklore, which I was told really missing in my life. Ps I have in a spooky wreck National Park After Dark podcast for anyone who likes the outdoors. I do like the podcast. Have you guys listened? Yeah? I have. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah I'm missing out. But that sounds ra hard. Yeah it's good. Yeah it's good. Yeah, okay, okay, So continuing this, my story begins in twenty seventeen, after a breakup and having to move in with my grandparents into a rented house that I've never lived in before. It's a beautiful home with lots of natural light, a loft above the living room and the bathroom under the loft. I loft. This sounds nice. Yeah, it sounds great. Wow. Well unless it's like like a bunk bed loft. Oh, you know, like like I was thinking, like in TV shows when they have like these crazy apartments, I'm like, how do you live here? How do you afford this? Girl? And yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Let's see. I was having a hard time with my breakup that I absolutely would not leave the house. Sunday mornings, my family would leave to church, leaving me completely alone. It started with me lying in the living room lane in the living room lane in the living room. Which one is it? I don't know, am I that's no your history, never your history, your history. I'm the history. I'm the history nerd, not the not the so no one. We don't have a grammar person right now. We don't know we have the grammar person. Scary FM has to get on this and get a grammar person. We need one to at a spooky tails in need. We've gotten one star reviews because we can't read. Come on, you guys, like you've never mispronounced something like if I do that all the time, Like, yeah, there's some words that you learn. Read's so touchy. Yeah, I'm like, please, it's just a word. Calm down, I get it. I mean people hate jazz on tell me a ghost story? They hate? Hey, they that's my I love it, thank you good. Yeah that's such a I don't know a vibe. I love it. But I thought and you know it? Does you know Cascade Cool Cascade aka Edwin is my saxophone player? What no way? Oh wow, wow, secret. These secrets are just getting spilled today. You're getting all the scary mysteries secret and uh, tell me a ghost story secrets, all that all that I couldn't hold myself back like she wanted a regular song and it came out sexy. I'm like, I can't do it any other way. Amazing. Oh wow, she actually wanted like modern jazz or something just too rugged and sexy. And there were so many people that were like, no offense, but I don't want a sexicos story. I yeah, that's what I said. That's what I said. Oh that's amazing. Okay, So back to the loft. Where was I? Okay? It started with me laying in the living room couch, just binge watching TV shows. I suddenly felt my heart raised and a strong sensation of someone looking at me. I look up towards the loft, look down at the bathroom, and thankfully no one was there. This happened every time I was alone while I sat in the same place. I never said anything because my grandparents would honestly tell me I was crazy or I had something on my conscientia, my conscience conscious. Again, I can't read or speak English, so I finally decided to tell my mom. Since she isn't particularly religious or like me, loves all things as spooky, she ends up telling me, well, don't you know what happened here? Oh, that's never a good thing to hear. No, very similar roomed. Yeah, I froze and asked reluctantly what happened? She tells me The lady who lives here before us was the wife of the owner. They split up, but he let her live in the house. She ended up killing herself in the bathtub. No, that's how the house was available for rent. I hope they got a good deal. Then, I hope it was clean. Oh. My mom also revids me of how my youngest brother hated being in the living room alone. He would literally cry about it. We suspect my brother has some sort of gifted abilities with the paranormal, but that's the story for another time. I have since gotten over the relationship. Good good, Oh good. I was like I was a little worried about her, Like, just laying there and not going out of the house is pretty rough. Yeah, And with that, I haven't had any more feelings of being watched. Our conclusion is we believe whatever is there feels when someone is depressed suicidal, and it happens to start or and it somehow starts to show its presence to them. Sincerely, the girl who should move out before she gets depressed again. Oh my god, what a way to sign off. I mean, also, she's not wrong. It sounds like something feeds off of off of It might not even be that woman, It just sounds like something feeds off of uh, really depressed strong emotions. Yeah, and I mean a lot of things they say pray on when you're depressed. So yeah, and I've heard of even families, like example, divorce being a common thing because of something like that. That's draining your energy. Financial problem, people getting sick, pets dying ah man, places really do. Yeah. Well that and like addicts too, Like there's like a lot of the things like sometimes they've attracted something kind of something, some bad energy man that's come along some Yeah, that stuff is a good So moral of the story is she should get get out of there. You should move out. It sounds like a nice house because that's a loft, but not so much when you learn about everything else. So yeah, yeah, move out, move out, move out. Yeah. We've we've voted here, get out. We've voted. It's our opinion that you, as a counsel of paranormal experts, we have voted, and we have come to the conclusion that you need to move out either that or I don't know if you can fix that, because it sounds like it's a It doesn't sound like a person. It doesn't sound like it was a person. Sounds like it's energy's evil. Yeah, very dark and sinister. Can you cleanse that away? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I've always wondered tho, why people don't move out when they obviously have, you know, they're living in a haunted house. And then I started figuring out how just difficult it is to move out for some people too, or like oh financially or just my house was haunted. I'd make friends with the ghost because I'm an I caat move well. I stayed in my old apartment that was you know, it was only eight hundred bucks a month, so how was I Oh, why would you ever? Yeah, I mean, granted it had no windows in one of the rooms. It was just screens. But I was an artist at the time. I didn't have an oven, so like, you know, that was my art studio. And then this is my ghost story, is that every night when I'd go to bed, because there was like a it was like a one bedroom and that was like more my living area. And I'd go in there and I'd feel something crawl up my bed on the bed and then hold my hand. Oh no, And that happened a lot when I first moved in there, and people thought this house was so fucking cool. I'm sorry, I didn't know if we could swear or not. You can bleep that. Yes, people thought. People thought that house was so cool they'd do photo shoots over there. It had a pool, it had a water slide. It looked like Boogie Nights. There was a slide. Yeah, yeah, I cool. It sounds cool, except you know, there were rats, I didn't have windows, and there was a ghost that would hold my hand, Like how many I take it back? Yeah, like like it was cool for everyone who just came over to visit, not anyone for everyone else. Yeah, And so like basically what I ended up doing is that I had to, Like I lived there for five years, so I'd stage every or like Paula Santo every week and it stopped. It was just crazy. Yeah yeah, But later I found out so like that house like red like the seventies, like it, I lived like this lady was that I lived with. I lived in her pool house. I lived with this ninety six year old lady who was like an actress. She's like a background actress or she was. I don't know if she's still alive, but yeah, you can find her, Carolyn Black. You can find her in the background of Brooklyn ninety nine or all sorts of big TV shows. She was in the background of as a perfect cute old lady. But she was a bitch. No nowhere, Okay, did it though? Did it though? But anyway, you know, so clearly she'd had the house redone in the seventies. Everything was like, you know, my house has clearly been like someone her husband had clearly built it, like it was all homemade. But like recently I saw that it was the house like it started to get redone. So, like I live like three blocks away from it. So I was on a walk and I saw that it's starting to get redone, and I was like oh, And I went on Zillow and I found out that like the house was built in eighteen ninety five. What wow, isn't that crazy? That is old? Yeah? Yeah, And that like totally blew my mind. And I was like, oh, that makes sense. Why there was something there like that it was a little Victorian child. Yeah, someone was what kind of hand was it? You know, it's weird. I got farmer from it. I don't know why I got farmer, but that's like what I like an adult farm. Yeah, like I got farmer from it. So I don't know what. Yeah I got I had to go to the doctor because I got farmer. Okay, it gave me farmer. Yeah, a big rash. So like it was like a rough like a like a yeah, there's stuff about it that was just and like, you know, because I didn't that place didn't have any temperature control because obviously because one room didn't have any windows, and then the other room just had those classic like the sheets of glass, you know that kind of tilt in and out like strips glass strip and so like during the summer, my windows were always open, and it just always kind of felt like something was outside peking in. Yeah, it just wasn't It wasn't good. And finally, like I ended up moving my bed to where there was no like the end of the bedroom that had no windows, so I didn't even have to think about it anymore, and then always had curtains over the the other windows so yeah, it's needless to say. When I moved into my current apartment that I live in now, I cried because I was so happy to be in a house that had windows and no farmer ghosts, no farmer ghosts, no rats. It was it was just such a relief man, such a relief to get out of there, although it was heartbreaking to leave an eight hundred dollars rent. Oh yeah, that's that's the I'd be rich now if I was still living in that place, you know, like i'd be But I don't think I could have made the pandemic there, Like, I don't think I could have done it? No, no, nope. What if what if the landlord, for example, you're still living there and then she dies? What happened? That was my biggest That was my biggest fears. I was going to find her dead somewhere because she was like that was that was like, is this our karmic fate? Is that I have to find Carol Black somewhere and you're dead? Because she'd always been Yeah, she did the water slide and that was it. She Uh, she would stand out, you know, no windows, stand outside my door and be like my shew, my schell sell and I'd be like, what do you want and she'd be like, can you help me put my necklace on? Like things like that. Was just like just like weird things like that all the time. But if you just start hearing that now in the middle of the night, wouldn't even doubt it. Wouldn't even doubt it. Honestly, I would just be like, get out of here, Get out of here, old woman. She would have died. You would have lived rent free. Well, she had a son that, like every everyone had this fantasy that I was going to inherit the house right, Like a lot of my friends had this fantasy that that was going to happen. But she had descendants that she had this weird son named Ron that go up to her with the piece of paper and sake. No, she had unless she could have. I mean, it's like, you know, that was where her old ladyness showed. And I was like, oh, this is how people like elder abuse. I get it. It's like how I steal your house. Wow, I steal your house. If I had been a bad person, I was like, oh, this is the moment. But I was like, no, I don't want to deal with this but yeah, she had like an eighty year old son named Ron or whatever, so it's eighty year old. Yeah, he was like, no, maybe like seventy five and she's like ninety six and he I don't know, he seemed to eighty but like it just I don't know. He was around too much, around too much and rich and so he was entitled. So I was never going to get that house. Wow, he knew what he was doing. Cool, he knew, he knew. Welcome to our Haunted break. We just want to give a shout out to our newest Patreon member. 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If you cannot support us monetarily, then you are not missing now on anything in the best support that you can give us. It's just listening to our episodes here, So thank you for doing that. Thinking about like places where I used to live, I actually lived in a bunch of different places, like when I was in college up in Norocal then I remember for internships all around you know, from Florida, Colorado, like Pomona, like all these areas in California. But there was one really creepy house in San Jose really creeped me out because it was they have old houses. Have you ever been San Jose, California? I have, Yeah, you know there are these there's like a modern area more downtown. But like in downtown there's also like old old houses like they're just you know, colonial looking, Victorian looking, I don't know what you call them, but like there're these they're breaking down. They have the panels like in the front, like paints chipping, like they're just like I ended up living in one of those, and I always I was fascinated by I loved it because of just how it had the keyhole, like the actual keyhole. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's pretty cool. Honestly, that's pretty cool. I don't know about a keyhole, but it was. It smelled moldy. It was great. It had the shower were like I don't know if that's the end now the whole woll maybe they just the old wood smell I'm in, you know. The shower were like it wraps around the tub like the curtain. It was. That's kind of cute. So one time there was this well actually how I met the roommate that I had there was through just a crazelist at when you went in to show me, like I was like, wow, this place is cool. You're walking it's creaking, like it's just like I had all this like wow, this this place is probably haunted super cool, like wow, and he was a little weird. He was an artist, no offense, Michelle. There's a varying degrees personalities in the arts. So he was a lot into into making murals and stuff like that. He knew a lot of the homeless population, like everybody that was there, he knew them by name, and he was very into the area. And when he showed me around, he was like, by the way, like I'm always super into you know, cleanliness, Like I want everything super clean, spotless all the time. It's what I do, It's how I live. And I was like, okay, cool, But it turns out he was like hyper obsessive over it. But anyway, I yeah, I started kind of. One time. It's actually one time when I noticed that I was more like, I don't know about this guy. Was when I washed the dishes and I left an oat on the sink, like it was just kind of left, it just stayed there. He knocked on my door and he was like, it was only us two, and he was like, there was an oat on this sink. Did he throw the oat at you? Like? Did he bring it? Wasn't like you this, I think it's yours. It was like I had a dream that there were roaches roaming around, like crawling around the kitchen, like ants everywhere. He's like, I really need you to be careful with this. I was like, okay, sorry about that, man, Okay cool. I closed the door, and I think that's when I started getting kind of nervous of like I didn't want to be around with this guy because I knew how he could get. He was angry and he was big, and I was like, okay, so I started kind of avoiding him. One night, I'm in my room and by the way, like to kind of keep the mood going, I used to have a candle because it was an old house, candles hello and yeah. I used to do that. It was cool. And one time I heard you can have candles in normal houses too. You don't have to have them. It's dinner every night with candles. I do. It's this isn't that I want to start doing that. I think it's nice. I think this is hired me. Yeah, like I it's a nice treat. It sets the mood. You're like, oh, the day is really over. It's nice. I like this. Yeah, I just imagined her though. When you said it with her. Was it not realistics? But yeah, I was on a big Kalipino popper. It was my fixation food and uh you know, luckily that's past I think with jal Gotta get your jalapeno poppers. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I mean that's like girl dinner, Like girl dinner to the max is just eating jalapeno poppers, but like setting the obviiance. Extreme wine. Yeah, perfect night, perfect night jazz really really yeah, some jazz, that's it. Some sexy jazz. Yeah, that's all you need. Perfect night. Anyway, so I was in the room. The candle is on, and I'm trying to read, but it's hard to read by candle. I don't know how people used to do it by candlelight. Oh my god. Yeah. But anyway, I was really in my ed grave and pole face. I think everything that house just really brought it out. But anyway, it was all quiet, right, and all of a sudden, I hear him coming up the stairs and there by the way, when you open the front door, you can only go upstairs, like it was like they divided the house that way. So I hear him like he's squeak squeak, squeak, He's coming up. And then I remembered that I left a bowl out on by the stone. I remember writing that instant and I was thinking, dang it because I had just had in a couple like a noodle what's it called that, you know, noodle packaging romen like a raben, yeah, ramen thing. I remember I had left it there. I was like, shoot, okay, and then I hear him walking around. Then I see him kind of go up to the because you can see the like on the other side of the hallway, there was like there was this large window and it was always kind of lit purply. It was like this really creepy house. It was like that moonlight kind of light. Anyway, I could see him kind of coming up to the door, and then I think he was like kind of listening to see if I was awake or if I was in there so he could knock. And then I see him kind of walk away. I was like, okay, good save right. Then I hear a door shut. That's it, right, So I'm like, okay, thank god. Like he went to his room, So I turn off the candle, go around, go to the kitchen, look at the bowl. I'm like, shoot, okay, I gotta clean it. Clean it said everything or whatever it is. It's hard for me. It was really hard to live that way because it was like, why can't I leave something out for like a little bit. I'm not gonna he would have helped me, because yeah, I leave things everywhere. Yeah, yeah, it's terrible. And so I'm watching the noodle thing like the you know where I had the ramen. Everything's you know, dry up on the counter now. And as I'm walking back to the room, I hear the door open and it's this guy. It's a roommate and he's coming up the stairs and I kind of I think to myself like who wait, like who was it? Then? Right? And I wait for him like he's coming up and I'm like, hey, his name is Sean. I'm like hey Sean, like I thought you were here. He's like no, man, Like I just I just got back out to going whatever are the lights off? Like this's always his question. And I was like, someone just went in your room and he was like what And then he instead of him being like no, I just got here, he went to his room and opened the door and there was no one there. He's like, what are you talking about? Like who was because there was he used to have this friendless this girl friend, a girl best friend that used to come by, so he thought, you know, she came in here, but no, there was a there. And then he's like, well, who was it? What did you sound like? Was it downstairs? Because there's the tenants that live downstairs. I was like, no, like somebody came up here, but I don't know. It's like, it's not the first time, and that I when I used to live here by myself, it's not the first time. Say okay, I kind of forgot about it. A couple of weeks later, I am and I'm in the room, same setting, I'm in the with the candle or whatever, same creepy alan Poe. But that I was kind of depressed, honestly. Then you're okay, well that fits too. Then yeah, and then you're writing with a quill and you know, yeah, it's perfect, perfect beyond Yes, this is I hated college. It was like a whole thing. I had a whole like a big old pizza, like I eaten two slices and it was on the floor. Believe it or not. I'm embarrassed to say it, but that's how it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the kind of was on and I'm kind of falling asleep, but I had you et you know that there's two slices all super quickly, and I was kind of like, you know, kind of on the bed, just kind of I'm thinking, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just like it's probably nine or it's probably like ten or eleven at night actually, and I'm thinking if I fall asleep, it's good because it's about that time. And as I'm kind of dozing off, I hear a voice and this is I swear. I'm not like gasleak might have been the only explanation, right, but like this is why I'm saying is you're gonna get it in a bit. But like I start hearing a voice that tells me turn the candle off. Turn the candle off, right, Like it's just like this windy like like turn the candle off, like turn the candle off. And it's just telling me that, like turn it off or not. And I'm kind of awake looking at the candle like the flame is kind of like you know, dancing, it's doing its thing. My window shut, so it's usually like a steady flame. By this time, it's kind of doing a thing. Yeah, And I'm like this is weird, and I'm like, am I awake? It's like turn the candle off? So I like kind of sit up and I'm like, I definitely heard that I turned the candle off. I just kind of floorid off, goes completely dark, and then I starts smelling gas in the house. I uh, yeah, I opened the door. It gets a little bit stronger. I go to the kitchen and the stovetop, but the thing was on the burner was onble without the flame. Wow, And I'm thinking what just happened? Like at the moment, I'm like I got to open the doors, right, So I opened the window, go downstairs, open that door, and I'm just kind of like what am I supposed to do? I stay out on the porch like I'm sitting there. It's it's kind of late. I have no shoes on. And then I start thinking, like that voice telling me to turn the candle off might have been for my safety. And you know when gasps, you, yeah, it might not matter. He might not. It might have just been someone saving the house, but yeah, it was. It stuck with me. That story for me, I was like something happens, something went on there. Surprisingly though after that, like the next day, I remember the next day, I actually went out for a walk, Like I remember waking up att early thinking like, okay, I gotta do something here. I eventually moved out, and actually I got in a fight with the with the roommate because he didn't want to give me back my deposit. It was just four hundred bucks, but still I was like I needed it, you know, back then. Yeah, And then I remember I just left. I went back. I left Tanjose, I dropped out of school. I just left. I was like, I'm gonna try something else, and I went back to La. But that story, for me, I was like maybe not all ghosts are bad, and maybe not all ghosts or evil. But really got me think about it a lot, Like that's like a wholesome story. That ghost like saved your life. It wasn't like weird, you know, most most ghosts are a little weird. I think in order to become a ghost, you've you got to be a little weird, a little weird. But like that ghost was like, h is gonna bloat up all I don't want to die either, Like it's like, no, where am I going to live if the house flows up? Yeah? Yeah, that is exactly what it sounded like. It made that sense, wake up, wake up, like, And I've had other experiences in houses where like it's it's obviously like a creepy thing. Like when I was a kid, I saw a shadow when I first moved. I told the story with you, Michelle, Oh yeah, tell me a ghost story. Yeah, I saw in the in the bathroom, I saw this floating thing, like a floating jacket, blue dark thing, and I ran away. I just it didn't feel right and I ran. I just ran through the house. Yeah. But yeah, very creepy stuff. I mean you've described your childhood home before and it's like you were like, oh, you know, I don't want it to be haunted. But then you're like, oh, I see I see spiders crawling wall or whatever. Wow. It's also ironic because I want to live in a haunted house like I want, like, but I want the stereotypical like all abandoned house like I want that. Yeah, some like fancy apartment that's haunted like that sucks. Yeah, yeah, it's not the vibe that I'm looking for. Yeah, I mean it's almost like you want the haunted house, but without it actually being haunted, you know, like you know, like the aesthetic, but not the the baggage that comes with it. I guess. I mean, I don't want it to just like Dizzeyland, where it's like haunted mansion that was created to look but apparently the haunted mansion is very haunted. Yeah. I caught a picture there once, a light of a light beam. Yeah, it was like, yeah, I am somewhere my old phone pictures dump human remains there all the time, like ashes. Yeah, I guess Disney has like a code now, like they hit like a like a code to go over the walkies when they've busted somebody for dumping human remains. Because like people, you know, have a good time at Disneyland. I could see a lot of people wanting their ashes scattered. Yeah, Disneyland, which would be weird as an employee to deal with the brown at the end of the night time not again, vacuum. It's just for employees and they go through so much. And I mean cast members or whatever they're actually called cast members, I guess, sorry cast members. Yeah, you know, get it right. Yeah, I've seen, like I've actually heard a lot of stories of haunted Disneyland. I don't know if you're having stuff like that, Christina, but like they're around the podcast a little paranormal circuit, Like if you listen to this, I'm pretty sure someone asked me to talk about Disneyland on TikTok and I was like, I guess, And of course, I mean there are a bunch of stories. I've never seen anything there because I never see anything anywhere. I'm like, if somewhere is haunted and I set foot there, I'm not going to see anything. You've never seen any ghost apparition or anything nothing. My family is full of like ghost stories. But me and my twin uh the unofficial official guest co hosts of a Speakito's Coming. Yeah, both of us have not seen anything. We had a house we still live in Oakland, and there was a house that house. Everyone has a ghost story from it. There's one room that my brother refused. It was supposed to be his room. He refused to go in that room because he would say there was like a man in there. Oh boy. And I literally had no idea. Everyone told us their stories like now as we're adults, and I'm like, really, that house people said, and when they were showering, they would like feel like a hand, an extra hand, like when they're showering, Yeah, an extra hand, like the grudge, which like that was so terrifying to me. But yeah, I I never saw anything. Another house we lived in, and it was always my brother and my mom. It's always them too, But another house we lived in in Modesto, my brother would say that he would see a shadow figure or like a man both. Sometimes it was like a shadow person. Sometimes it was a straight like apparition of a man in his room and our rooms were across from each other, and like, I never I never saw a thing at all. Like I'm like, I don't know, I don't know, because you're gonna snitch on them on your podcast that they're gonna be like yamparently they knew, they knew. Yeah, the the only thing that ever ever happened to me that like resembles even like a ghost story. Like my brother obviously he would always say he saw shadow people. And we were like in middle school and we were sitting in my dad's trailer because he has a he has a trailer behind his shop and that's where he sleeps sometimes, and so we would hang out there and we were sitting around like this little table and he was like, oh, they're behind you, and I was like, what are you talking about? And my brother I was like, they're they they are behind you. I was like, oh are they? Are they behind me? And I was like fake punching where he said they were. And then something pulled my chair, Like my chair pulled out from underneath me. I wasn't leaning back or anything like, there was no reason for the chair to fall like that. And then I fell on my ass. And then he's like, see didn't like it when you make fun of them. And I was like what the fuck? And then I just like ran to my dad's office and I was like, but he's like stopping a stopping a baby. He was like, there's no reason to be scared. And I was like, they pulled my chair, what do you mean. He's like, you should be scared of people that are live, like stop, and I was like, oh, I just want to hug. I just want I just want support. Yeah, yeah, just give me comfort, Just give me comfort. What's the matter with you? And he's like no, be scared of that person in the corner over there, Like you don't need to be scared of this ghost. And like it pulled my chair. Yeah, it literally got physical. That's pretty yeah, And yeah that's it. Luckily nothing else And I kind of blocked that out of my memory for a long time. That's pretty good, though. That's a pretty like that's a physical interaction, you know, Like that's yeah, yeah, And I'm on my twins side, my brother's side, like there's no there's no denying it for sure. Nothing to blame except I guess me for making some of them. But yeah, that's the only thing, you know. A couple of days ago, Michelle got to see me freak out here when we were recording in this place. I'm staying at an airbnb right now. I've stayed here before, like in not in this apartment, but like in other ones in the building, but this one was always empty, and I always wondered, like why didn't they just make it into another AIRBMB But it was empty for a while. And now I finally get to, you know, be here lately, like actually a couple of weeks after I first because I've been here for like a month almost, but I would say like maybe ten days after, like we had just gotten in here. I remember I started seeing like hearing like we're taps like down because it's a two floor type of thing, taps in the kitchen. And when one time we were recording, I have a TV in front of me, but it's off, you know how it kind of has that reflection that like you can kind of see I can see the staircase, and a couple of times it's happened where like I see somebody coming down and the group coming kind of going back up one time, and I think it happened when I was recording with you, Michelle, I kind of look yeah, and just the other day like just what was it two days? I'day, yeah, we recorded on Wednesday, a few days ago. I was telling her like I felt this push on my chair like I'm not using that rolling chair anymore, and noticed, yeah, I felt somebody just because it has a net like it has that net backing, like that cloth backing. I just felt like and I was like immediately, like I think we were recording at the time. I was just like and I was like I was like hold on, like, oh my god, Like I just felt and I turned around. There's nobody there. I looked down immediately at the because I have a like a a what do you call those extension cords with like different power strip. It was off right, and I was like, no way, because the thing something that had been happening is that my computer has been unplugged. I always leave everything plugged in. Things had been like the power strip has been turned off, unplugged from the power strip several times so much that that morning I was like, Okay, everything's plugged in, everything's on. I'm gonna make a note of this like it's it's on. And right after that happened, immediately looked down to see what happened, and the thing was off, and I was like, oh my god, and it was I had been checking the whole time. There's no I can kick it off. There's it just did nothing. And then my internet started kind of going a little weird, Like during the recording, we're like your internet, Michelle's like, your Internet's kind of fuzzy, like something's happening, and I'm like, I don't know what's going on. So I think, like if I had to be a skeptic and be you know, kind of have an actual explanation. I would say it was like a cert like a power search, like something happened and it pops the thing, or it could be this other thing where it's like something's here in the back of its hand on the back of your chair, leaned forward and unplugged everything. Just excuse me, pardon me. Yeah, but hadn't you just said something about going dark or something like that? What were you talking about? You said something about I don't know, you said something that felt like it might have triggered the ghosts to like turn stuff off. Oh you want everything unplugged? Sure, yeah, like there was something. Yeah, you said something and that reminded me, what what did you What did you just said? It was something like, oh, for good but yeah, I don't remember. I don't know, but it was something like it's extra creepy. Yeah. Yeah, times stuff has happened, man, Like, I mean, we're all podcasters here, Like, I don't know if anything's happened to you because of podcasting or research stuff, Michelle, But I know that for when I'm recording true scary story, like there's a there's been a couple of things that I now know and I'm way more cautious now when it comes to talking about demons and things like that. Yeah, yeah, should And I didn't want to come off the ones. I didn't want to come off as like one of those you know, like two out there, Oh you're trying to just down the cassal, you know, thing like. Yeah. The only thing that I've had that's specifically related to the podcast is when I was shopping for Haunted dolls for you and I'll do it, and I uh, I was trying to get that clown doll and I got scooped on eBay because someone else bought it before I could buy it. But I was on like in the section and then Robert is sitting on the couch next to me and he looks so and my kitchen's just like right here, like it's just like a you know, open concept plan or whatever. But Robbie's looking in the corner of the kitchen shaking and just like staring, and he never does that, like he never ever does that. And it was while I was looking at Haunted dolls and especially this haunted clowns all that I was very like, we have to get this one. And I had to like get up and I was like, get out of here, don't mess with my dog. Just like I just you know, you yell at things and that generally gets rid of him. And then I did some saging or polisanto or something. I did that, but I just, yeah, yeah, sound works pretty well if it's a human, like I think, if it's as if it's been human at any point, you can use sound. You can play music really loud or just yell at him and that generally works. It's like, this is a boundary I heard of that. Actually, you're supposed to cuss in my culture, you're supposed to cuss out a ghost. And uh, yeah, have you watched This Fool on Hulu? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's an episode where the season actually yeah, it's the season two, but the mom she's a maid, and there's a scene where the old lady thinks that the house is haunted, but it's actually her because she keeps working because she has to work. She's a she's a Mexican mom. She can't not work. She was supposed to retire. So she goes to this lady's house and she starts cleaning it. The lady doesn't know, so the lady thinks there's a ghost, and so she pretends to like exercise the ghost out of the house, and she's just yelling and cussing at it, like get out of here, and just a bad word at the bad word in Spanish, and yeah, it's a thing. Sure, you're supposed to, you're supposed to. Yeah, but I don't know, like there's there's been creepy things that have happened, Like I think I talked about it and I don't know somewhere, but like we've gotten I think with the lights actually has happened with me. We're like flickering lights. My sister in my studio, for example. One time she she asked me, like something, I've need to think anything creepy ever happened? Held on Like just now, I think I'm just psyching myself out. You're scaring me. No, Edwin, it's probably okay. It's like the middle of the day right now. Usually when just cuss at it, yeah, tell it to get out. We'll all cuss right now. Yeah, get out of there, you fucking ghost. I wasn't actually gonna do it. I was streaking coffee, like, oh well, anyway, I did it, but yeah, I did it for you. Yeah, this is me. I think I just psycked myself out. But yeah, like see, and I'm telling you about the demon story where when my sister asked me about that, and she's like, has anything creepy ever happened in here? And I was like, uh, you know one time we were talking, you know, we had a conversation. Whenever the girl said the word demon, my light would flicker. And right when I said that to my sister about another story, my neon light started flickering and it never does that, and she, my sister screamed. She was like a like, and I was like what it turned around and yeah, like it's yeah, it was. It was weird. It's really weird like that. To me, I'm like, that's something else. And I've been sent crystals and that piece of wood to burn it, and to whatever I tried burning it, you just got all black. I didn't I guess I'm not doing it right, but I couldn't get it to work. I don't know how it works. And also I don't know what what piece of wood. Oh yeah, you just like light it so it's smolders or whatever and you get smoke from it. That's all you don't have to like set it on fire. You just just take a fire. Yo, you don't mean to do that, just you know, you you light it and it just you know, you just want the smoke. You want the smoke, and you want some window to be open so whatever's in your house can get out. That's the other thing. So you want like the windows open and then you shut the windows when you're done, so it's that doesn't come back in. Well yeah, so it's like that's the theory is that it doesn't like the smoke. Like that's how saging and uh and the you know, any sort of smoke based thing works is that it the spirits don't like the smoke and they get out. But I also think sound might be better in a way because it just seems like so it sounds so woo woo when I hear myself say it. But like you know, because ghosts are on an energy vibration, so sound is a vibration. So it would make more sense than them just not liking the way something smelled, just coughing out goes should just even just you think that, do you think that? But it's good to have I imagine them getting sucked out that's kind of how I was. Yeah, so I'm like, open the window. Yeah. Also it helps to just dissipate the smoke in your house. Don't you start coughing with the ghost. You don't want that much. Yeah, I saged myself to death. Uh, it's a way to go. It is a way to go. But yeah, I think sounds nice because yeah, I mean, I like, I'll still use sage and polasanto. But it is appropriating other cultures, but it works. Like the thing is that it gets appropriated because it works. But sound Also, you want to play a big country song, you want to play classical music, real loud. I think that works just as well. Some jazz, some fucking sexy jazz. That's why I put jazz on my podcast to keep it makes sense it. Yeah, the sexy ghosts, they're just like, oh, here we are, Yeah, here we are, right right time, right space. Well, on on every episode, we ask for spooky recommendations, anything spooky watched, show, movie, podcasts, games, No one ever does games whatever. Do you guys have spooky recommendations? I love this. I've actually seen it for the third time, already binged it again on Apple TV. There's a thing called calls. Oh you love it? I love it. Yeah, it's it's basically imagine it's it's like a it's like a sci fi paranormal thing. Like I can't tell you too much about it. If you listen to the first episode and you're driven to listen to the next one. It did its job because there's questions like are these things connected? What's going on? It's basically like there's no visual there's no like you can't see the actors. It's all waveforms. It's just phone calls people. Yes, so they did the very creative visuals where like you can see who's calling who, and you start connecting the story. You're like, oh my, it's it's it just grabbed for me. It grabbed me and I didn't let it go until yeah, binge the whole thing. They're shorter, shorter episodes, they're not like forty five minutes. But there's also I think maybe nine or ten episodes maybe Bess. Yeah, highly recommend that one. Yeah, I listen to it or watch it. I'm trying to think, like I've been watching a lot of Nordic noir lately, which isn't really like what is spooky no it's like it's like a snow true crime. It's like snowy true crime. It's like you're in Norway or like or yeah, you know, like any sort of snow. It's basically true crime in the snow is a Nordic noir. It is exactly only cases that happened in winter when it's that's a good idea, Honestly, it would people like Nordic noirs. They're a thing. They're genre of the of the I had no idea. Yeah it's but anyway, I watched this one. This is gonna be so niche that not a lot of people are gonna like this. But there's this one called The Wall, and it's French, so it's got subtitles, but it takes place and I looked it up. It's so fascinating. In a really northern town in Canada, there is a town that's basically all indoors and it's just basically like a like a mall type thing, but they have the school indoors. They have all the houses connected, like they're all in this one thing and it's they call it the Wall, so it's like a windbreak for the town. Oh and I was like saying, it, and it is. And the first season of The Wall, Yeah, it's real. It's a real town you can go to. It's a mining town, so like a lot of people don't go there unless they're working. So I just thought that was so fascinating. But and it's a murder of course, it's a murder show, so like they find a body, they got to figure out who murdered this person and put a mask on their face. Like it's it's good. It's good, but I recommend the first season. The last two seasons aren't that great, but the first season, especially in that weird town that and I just watched Salt Burn again, which I haven't seen. It's it's good. It's good, but I don't know how spooky it is. It's more once again deprived. It's like vampire. No, it's I thought I had to do with that. Do you think it's well, you'd think it was, but it's they're all wearing those watch this because it's they're at a party, so that's it. No, it's more like classism. But so the main guy is not a vampire. No, he's not a vampire, but he looks looks like one in real life. Yes, he does, Yes, missed opportunity, but yeah, I've been obsessed with it. In fact, I just sent Edwin a T shirt idea that he the one that he won't respond on. Well, which one? You know, the dancing the Serbian dancing lady. Oh, I will respond to them, so I sent him. I'll respond here publicly. It's very well. One of them. One of them is a pure Saltburn reference because it's the Serbian dancing lady and she and then I just wrote murder on the dance floor, you better not kill the me, which is from Saltburn. And then the other one. That's why I didn't get it. Yeah, well I have to watch this so I get it. You should see it. People either love or hate that movie, so you know, be prepared. I've seen I've seen those reactions on Twitter. Oh then you know, then you know what's coming. So but that and then what else does she say? The other one is dance like everyone's watching and you have a knife, which I think is really funny, and Edwin is not responding to that one at all. Look at this my brother. My brother responded the exact same way, and I'm like, this is genius. The exact same way, like just like I don't get it, like just kind of standing there and just be like, I don't know. They're like what, like, I don't know how. I feel like it's an confusing thing. Imagine you ask every guy out there and everyone's just like, uh, you know, it is kind of like a like everyone's watching in it. You have a knife and you're the Siberian or the Serbian dancing woman. I think that's funny. It makes sense, that's funny. Fine, we don't have to make that one. But still, I think that's a funny tea. I like the graphics of it, the I think the the thing I would need to look it up to get it. I think because I'm a little like, what what does that mean? The knife? When I get but I'm like, it's kind of creepy, like a little dark. I know, it's very dark. I think it should be maybe on like our secret Patreon or something like. It should be on the to figure out it's for just the deep deep cut fans should get that one. Yes, yes, plus here here they have me. I'm in Ecuador right now and we have the military going around. So imagine it was in Spanish and they understood it, and it's like I had to have a knife. You have to understand who the Siberia, the Serbian dancing woman is, you know, like hence the deep cut, deep cut, and you know her image is right there on the shirt. So it's like it's very niche, but someone's gonna get it like it's and that's kind of like what we look for when we're in tea shirts with somebody someone comes up, oh my god, I get it, or oh I love that I was in that concert. Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't have any speaker reper nations because I've been just still watching Bones. I have a pot of Bones. Yes, I started rewatching it because I came across like a TikTok clip of the show and I was like, oh my god, I actually never finished watching this. I always get to and then stop. So I'm at season ten now. If anyone's wondering exactly it went that far, I think there's like twelve seasons for them. It's still going. Is it done? No, it's not, No, it's done. It's done now. Yeah okay, so yeah, that's why I have I don't have any recommendations because I've been only watching that and I don't know what my problem is, but now I can't stop, but I have to finish it. So, oh, I thought of something that was actually scary. I watched this thing called The Devil's Hour and that's a British show. And then yeah, and that's all about this woman who keeps waking up at three thirty three in the morning and everything. Yeah, and everything's out of sync with her and she doesn't know why. It's like she keeps seeing these visions and she doesn't get it. What is this on? It's on I think it's on Amazon. I think, yeah, it's on one of the channels on Amazon. And it's good. It's got that one of the guys that played doctor who Capelli. What's his name, the older one, yeah, the yes, okay, so he was named but I know who you're talking about. Yeah, so he's got a long face, yes, the long face. Yeah, our horse syndrome as we call it. But yes, he's on it. And uh, it's good. It's pretty you go, it needs a second season, but it's still worth the journey going on it, and it's getting a second season, so it's like, oh, okay, it should be it should be worth going and watching it, but yeah, it's like, oh, what what does this mean? What does this vision mean? Like it's I don't know, it's good, it's good, okay, good to know, good to know. And before we go, do you want to tell the spookys where too? Fine? Both? Also, I was on their podcast, so everyone should go listen to that. I have told the story before many times, but nobody gets old, so it's great. Fine, Yeah, it's you did a great job. Come listen to her talk and come listen to well you can find us wherever you get your podcast whatever you're listening on now. And you know, I'm on Scary Mystery Surprise with Edwin and we you know, love hearing from people that are listening. And then I'm also on Scary FM as well with my own show called tell Me a Ghost Story, where people can call in and tell me leave me a story on a message machine and then listen to Sexy Jazz. That's great, Yes, it's very cool. I've actually told a story on our podcast, tell Me a Ghost Story. And then for me Scary FM, I run the show's scary story podcast, horror Story, along with Christina who also helps out with it True Scary Story and coming up with a couple of the other new ones. But either way, if you search as scary FM on a podcast app, you'll find the shows on there. Right now, I'm promoting horror Story, so well, you'll find us all. If you look up scary FM, you'll find all. Right. So, and I'm maybe a little bit but like all great podcasts, really very cool shows, very creepy shows too. So yes, and now we're thinking of a way to scare kids. So we're coming up with the kids show for love It, Love It. I thought about doing that a while ago, and then I was like, I can't keep up with all this. I have too many ideas and no time. But I did want to do that. It's cool, it's cool stuff. But yeah, and then me on Instagram, I'm at edwin Cove. That's E d w I n CoV and that's my user name for everywhere else. I'm launching a YouTube channel, so in case anybody wants to see me fail on there at first and they get better, I mean I'm already on there failing too, so that's great. Yeah, it's fine. We're failing publicly, but we're doing it for the content and it's going to be good. So yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome. I will have all of that in the show notes. Thank you so much to both of you for joining me, and again go check out their episode where I'm on it and all their episodes, not just the one I'm on this scary mystery surprise everyone. Yeah, visit us. Thank you, It's been great. 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