This Man and When You're Dreams Tell You Your Past

Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is MJ. And this is another episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things as spooky. Today we have a lovely guest with us. Go ahead and introduce yourselves. Say hi to everyone. Hi, y spookies. I'm Azrael. My friend has a really good podcast called Adoptees Crossing Lines and you should check it out if you're interested. It is really good. I'll put it in the show notes. I appreciate it. Yeah, and today I have a dream topic. Yeah, it's like storty creepy pasta. And then Asta has a story for us. But first I have a listeners story. And if you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email at Spookytoes at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of our socials. You can submit it on Discord. There's a lot of options. You can also call our spooky hotline and we'll play it in the episode. I think those are Yeah, there's a lot of ways you'll see it in the show notes. This was sent in through Patreon, so yeah, if you have us on if you're on Patreon's that's another super fast way for me to see the message, so lots of options. All right, So here's this story. Hey Christina and MJ. I'm Jessica. I've been listening to your podcast for over a year and I love it. Thank you, thank you. I've been meaning to tell you this story since I happened pretty recently. Last month. My best friend Medium and I were going to Moore Park to stay with my sisters since we were going to a concert. Medium and I were the only ones driving from San Diego. I went and picked her up and I had helped her put her stuff in the rear hatch. We had put our bags next to each other, and Medium had brought a cowgirl hat so she can wear it to the concert. I saw her with my own eyes put it on top of the bags. We head out and I put on your podcast, specifically the episode Encounters with Now. We listened to it, joking around about the when this oh God moved and how we don't want to speak too much of them because they will show up. We stopped for dinner in Irvine, and since I borrowed this car from work, as I was leaving, I made sure to triple check the car was locked. We have dinner and do the rest of the drive. We make it there and start to unload things when we realized Medium's hat is gone, like missing, disappeared without a trace. We were thinking where could it have gone. We made sure to check the car was locked when we left it, and all of our bags were still there, including my backpack that had a couple hundred dollars in it. Like if someone broke into the car, everything would be gone, not just the cowgirl hat. Medium talked to her mom that night and she searched the house to see if she left it there, but we knew she didn't because we both saw her put it in the rear hatch. Her mom didn't find it, and a month later, the hat is still am I A. We literally still think about what happened to that hat, but honestly we blame dwend This. Thanks for taking the time to read my story. Yes, yes, I think it was the dwend This when this heard and they were like, oh, you think we're a joke, you think this is funny. No, this hat is ours now that's what happened. Also, let us know if the hat is back. I've heard sometimes you can just be like like cause the custo Dwendo's out and demand your stuff back and like it randomly reappears. I asked them, Okay, guys, can you please give me my stuff back? Thank you? That's a lot nicer. Yeah, and it does work sometimes. Okay, well, maybe just do it that way, like being in airhead and just like forgetting your left ship. But either way, I'm gonna pretend it's tod this. Maybe you could trade them, like offer them a hat and ask for your hat back. Oh yeah, that that could work too. Yeah. I always used to blame like doing this, like losing my stuff in Karmen's like, no, it's just you because you lose things all the time, and I'm like, no, but it is, it is me. It could be both. Yeah, you know what, it's probably the one this so two day's topic that I brought. Have either of you heard of this man? No? I don't think so. All right, I'm gonna send you a picture in the chat. All right, could you can you guys see that? Oh my, I know that guy. Yes, yes, you know this Yeah, I know of this man. Yes, this man. Yes, So that's what I'm talking about today, this man. And I forgot that I heard this story. So At first, I was like, I forgot to existed. But let me go back to my notes here. Okay, So first I'm just going to start with the creepy pasta that exists. In January two six, in New York, the patient of a well known psychiatrist draws the face of a man that has been repeatedly appearing in her dreams. In more than one occasion, that man has given her advice on her private life. The woman swears she has never met the man in her life. That portrait lies forgotten on the psychiatrist's desk for a few days, until one day, another patient recognizes that face and says that the man has often visited him in his dreams. He also claims he has never seen that man in his waking life. The psychiatrist decides to send the portrait to some of his colleagues that have patients with recurrent dreams. Within a few months, four patients recognize the man as a frequent presence in their own dreams. All the patients referred to him as this man in capslock or capital letters whatever. From two dozen six until today, at least eight thousand people have claimed to see this man in their dream in many cities all over the world. Los Angeles, Gua, La La Hara, Berlin, Sau Paolo, Beijing, Rung, Barcelona, you get it everywhere. At the moment, there is no ascertained relation or comment trait among the people that have dreamed of seeing this man. Moreover, no living man has ever been recognized as resembling the man of the portrait by the people who have seen this man in their dreams. And that's the creepy pasta. However, like, regardless of this like being known as a creepy pasta, people keep claiming they've seen this man and it was debunked like in I don't know, four years ago, maybe five years ago. It's actually like a marketing ploy that was made by this sociologist slash marketer named Andrea Natella, which is very close to Nutella Naela. Interesting, that's not like, has nothing to do with this, but anyway, she has a marketing company and they started the website this man dot org and they started putting posters of this man everywhere, and then people were like, oh, I've seen this man. I hate that it's called this man. It's too like you say times, Yeah, it's so generic and that just makes this all so much worse. But still like this. She was interviewed by Vice dot Com, where she still pretends the story is real and then like I don't know their next article, like in a few days, we're like, oh my god, we were fooled. This has actually been debunked. And they talked to someone from her company and they like admit it all. And it's not really known why they all they went through this too, this whole campaign. It's believed this was supposed to be a horror movie that then never got made, so it's not confirmed like why they started this campaign. But even then, like people still claim to see this man. I just hate saying this man. Have either you seen this man? I've seen the picture. You haven't seen him in your dream? Now? Yeah, I mean neither. But we'll be sharing this picture on Instagram. But I'll describe it a little bit. He's a creepy he has a creepy face. He looks like he tortured animals and his youth. He really looks like this guy I was in the mental hospital with in New York City in the early two Oh my god, oh my god, No, I'm sorry, it's just it's just really random, just really random, like the same uner brow. But wow, oh my god, I was like drinking water, he said. I was like to die. Oh man, I'm this is this is funny. Just all the water was like, Okay, you're not going down my throw and you're also not going all over my computer. Oh my god. But it appears to be a white man, like honestly to me, with like a round, weird small face, like thick eyebrows. It's almost a unibrow, is it. You know, I think it's a unibrow. It's at least unibrow adjacent. Yeah yeah, and like literally like thick ass eyebrows, like very thick. Yes, a weird half smile, weird small ear yeah, and like a really thin upper lip uh huh yeah yeah it's almost not there, which is why I think it's a white man. And also a very soft chin. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's very soft chin. I'm very like there's someone just randomly. They've never said if they drew this after someone or if they just drew something randomly, Like the company has never said, I don't know, I'm wonderine, and like throughout the years, there's been people that are like oh it looks like this guy, or it looks like this guy, and honestly it doesn't. So again, like regardless of this being confirmed fake, like this is a marketing employ people insist they see him. There's stories of him just like being in people's dreams. I'm really doing anything. There's other stories of him, of people being intimate with him, those four people. Can you just imagine this guy leaning in for a kid? Listen, I'm not trying to be mean, because like I am a confirmed believer. Everybody's pretty in their own way. But oh, yeah, you're right this Yeah, but there's also like a whole energy that goes with this dude. Yeah, that's true. He has like a really like creepy energy and like yeah, like Peeping Tom energy. Yes, and I'm not about that, yes, yeah, yeah, I'm maybe there's people out there there who are there's also people that fall in love with him and his in their dreams. Is he like a billionaire in his dreams in their dreams? Because you know, I might even look at that, look at how beautiful that money as though I'm kidding. I've said this on no other podcast with Carming. We're watching right now, and I'm like Teresa would be very disappointed in me because like I did not marry for money, but like all the money in the world would not make me marry this this man would be like, but it would make me Actually are My group chat with my mom and Carmen is called the Sea like we've let there sat down, And if you've watched the soap opera, you know what we're talking about. If you haven't, then you should watch it or listen to the podcast either one. So there's also been people that have dreams of killing him in their in their own dreams, and there's also stories of him like hunting houses. Outside of dreams, people claim to see his apparition. So I don't know, that's even worse. That's even worse than falling in love in love with him, I don't know. I think falling in love is worse. I don't know. At least I mean one at least it's in't just in your dream. The other one you're like seeing it in person. That's true, That's very true. So I found several different stories from Latin America of people seeing this man and these are all from there's the whole Facebook group dedicated to this man. I'm so sorry for all the times I'm gonna say this man, I'm already getting to my own nerves. So these stories are from that Facebook group. So this one is a dream from Mexico. They're all pretty short. Two nights ago, I had a dream where this man approached me when I was in my room playing the guitar. He asked me if he could stay the night in my room. I immediately ran to the bathroom. My fear and desperation was so bad that I immediately woke up by looking on the internet for the description of this guy. One guy showed me this page. And now I'm fucking scared because I'm not the only one who has seen this man d Although in this dream, if you never saw this man before, I don't know why he was scared. That is true. It's step Vibe Vibe. Yeah, you're right, You're right, it is the vibe. This one is a dream from Ecuador. I had a dream with the man since my father left me. In my dreams, he does pretty much anything, but he's there. He had never talked to me, he never moved, He's just there. I always have the same dream when I am in the US in New York, specifically in Times Square. He's there just standing and watching my father enter a store. I've had this dream since I was eight years old. It's now been years, and this man has tormented me since then. Sounds creepy, that's creepy. That is creepy. Sounds worse. It's it's so much worse because like this poor person's father has left them, and then since they were abandoned by their own father, they have the same dream that their dad is walking into a store and this man is just staring from like across the street. Was now almost like almost like it was like ominous, like this man took your dad. No, yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. This one is a dream from Argentina. Hello. I remember I usually dreamt about this man when I was little. Well, they were more like nightmares. They were red tinted like hell, and his face was on my TV monitor, my computer monitor, every monitor in my house. From that point, I always thought he was Satan or something like that because he looked evil. But I realized he never talked to me. He just looked at me. What does smirk? And their room was filled with weird noise like when TV has no signal like static. When I tried to turn out the TV by disconnecting it, it kept going. That was the scariest part because I couldn't do anything. It was between two thousand and eight and twenty thirteen. Then they stopped and I never dreamt it again. It's the vibe. I don't like it. I don't like it so creepy. Just just I mean, I don't know. Just imagine seeing that face when you're trying to microwave something and it's just in the I don't know, if it was in the microwave, that'd be weird. Oh my god. I'm just like leaving my food there. I'm like, whatever I'm doing, I'm never eating again. Okay, So this is a dream from Peru. I was in a building with school friends and a childhood friend. We had gone out partying and then returned in the morning when my friends told me to go up to the top floor of that building, which was the eighth floor. When I arrived, they told me that my childhood friend had fallen from the building and his older brother pushed him. I was very upset and I said I will get justice with my own hands, and this man offered a snacks and I saw on the ladder and he walked behind my friend grabbed my leg twice. I spit on him. Oh my god. First, how does he go from like offering sandwiches so then being like this rude ass person? And he turned around and looked at me with a terrifying look. He moved his head and then he kept walking. Then I was on the first floor. It was all empty except for this man. He walked next to me, pushed me, and as I was falling, I felt like I hit my entire body like it felt real, especially my head. And in my dream I was about to die. Oh, oh, terrifying dream. As I was laying there dying, this man approached me, oh like got really close to his face and then he woke up crying. I was like nope, wow, and then let me just read the last part. I didn't know who this man was until I came across the picture of him. Every time I see his face, I get goosebumps and feel like crying again. There's something about him, like, even if it's just like a psychological thing, there's something about like his features. They're like uncanny Valley. Yes, agree, Yeah, watches all dreys dream about him tonight, just because we were talking about him and we saw his picture and I don't know how many times he saw his picture. I take it back. I don't want it. I mean either, what if like the dream world is populated just like this world is, and he's just like this random person from the dream world and we remember what he looks like because he's just really unique looking and got that. Yeah, it's so weird because to me, he's very weird looking but also so very generic, like where if if he was in a crowd somewhere, he would never stand out, but if it was in my dreams, he'd creep me out. He would there. Yeah, like there's something about him, like it's it's there's nothing spectacular about his features, but it's still very like put if you put all the features that he has together, it's weird. He looks weird. Yeah, yep, it's strange, very very strange. But yeah, that's my story for today. Thank you in advance for the nightmares. You're welcome. You're welcome. So my story has a lot to do with dreams. Also, I'm adopted obviously, so my adoption was not great. My adoptive family didn't believe in anything supernatural. They were warm Jews, but like pretty atheist. I guess, like they didn't have like ghosts were not real, Like there was none of that. So when I was little, I used to have all these dreams because they told me that, oh you're you're just white, You're just a white a white lady. And so I would always ask like, but where did I come from? And what uh like what nationality are my parents? Yeah, like natural normal questions that you want to know, totally totally normal questions that any kid would ask. And like in my dreams, I would always be dreaming about people who, like I didn't think could be related to me, just like random people Like I used to have dreams like I had a lot of dreams about owls, m oh oh okay, And I had a lot of dreams about my identity and they weren't matching up with like the things that my parents, my adoptive parents told me. And I sometimes feel like I was talking to my partner today and I sometimes feel like they kind of got like, you know, there's all those stories about like creepy orphans and stuff like creepy adopted orphans, I swear like my adopt like I was that to my adoptive mom, Like there would be phone calls and I'd be like, it's the babysitter, and like she would pick it up and it would be the babysitter. Oh my god. And I think I just like really creeped them out. For so when I got to be a teenager, I think it was like also causing behavioral issues for me because like I didn't know. I wanted to know who I was, you know. And also the dreams of the owls, Like when I was really little, they scared the ship out of me. And I was a kid in New York City, so it's not like I had ever seen an owl. Yeah, well, like what would happen in these dreams? Okay, So when I was really little, I used to have this recurring dream about an owl sitting in a tree and there was just like chaos going on, like there was cats and it was like in kind of like a cartoon. And then like as I got older, it was like more and more realistic. The owl got more and more realistic. That's interesting, but like the owl would be yelling to me and I and it was like trying to tell me something, but I couldn't really understand, and it was just like I was afraid. I didn't know what it was trying to tell me. And I would wake up and I'd cry to my parents, like my adoptive parents, and I'm like I'm having nightmares, like and they're like it's nothing, just go to bed, like you're just just go to sleep and please go to sleep. So so like as I got older, my dreams became like more and more crazy, and they ended up like putting me on medication. And like I said, I was in the mental hospital with this man and with this man. So there's just like a lot of that. And for my whole life, my whole childhood, like weird, just weird, random stuff would happen. And then I got older and my birth mom found me and one of the first questions I asked her for some reason was am I Mexican? And and She's like, yeah, you are, okay, and and I was like I knew it, Like I knew it. Just that's what the Alans were telling you there, like Mexican, Mexican, and you're a witch. Part of that. Like when I was little, I would tell people all the time like I'm a witch, and it would creep out my adoptive parents. And then when I met my family, I found out that that was totally normal, Like it was totally normal, Like I had dreams about people dying before they died. I so I and that like really put it. They did not my family, my adoptive family did not like that. I bet, yeah, that doesn't happen in temple, right. So when I met my great grandmother on my mom's side and I started like getting to know them, I realized that this was like a thing that happened to every woman in my biological family. Is they all had dreams, premonition dreams. They would like know when people were sick and all of this stuff. And it was just really creepy, like like you were literally telling people that you were a witch because you were, but you didn't even know it, Like that's wild. I did not even know it. And the crazy part is that between like when I was I think like eight seventeen eighteen, I really stopped believing in all of this. Like I was a scientist, I worked, I was a herpetologist for a well known zoo. I well, that sounds fancy. I don't know what a herpetologist is. In Latin, it means the study of creeping things. It's oh, that sounds cool, okay, like it's reptiles and amphibians. Oh, oh my god, that's awesome. Yeah. I loved it. It was really cool. I learned so much, and like I worked in a marine biolab and I was like totally science minded. I did not believe in any in any of this stuff at all, Like I was hardcore. Even when it took me like a while to accept that these things weren't, like, you know, a mental illness, I really thought like, oh no, it's just me being crazy, you know. But as I was like meeting my family more, I I sort of started to like appreciate it more. And then so I also met the other side of my family, my biological father's side, and the cousin that I met was also actually both cousins that I met from that side were witches too. Wow, like the whole family. Yes, And I even had so my great aunt she was a brucha in Chicago, like, and her brother that's my great grandfather, and he was like a zoot suit kind of gangster type guy. And he murdered her husband been so she no, so he murdered his sister's husband, and she put a curse on him and all of his descendants. And so when I met my cousin, she's like, you have a curse, and like here's she's like you and you probably have a curse, and like here's how you can you know, help, like do some ancestral healing. And the freaky part was that I had already started doing that, Like I didn't. I didn't really, I didn't know about any of this stuff. And it was like my intuition has been there the whole time. My adoptive family couldn't make me a normy like them, Like they tried. They tried so hard. They put thousands and thousand some dollars into it, like meds for my whole life, and it did not work, like at all, Like I live in the woods with a black cat, you know, amazing, Oh my god, Like yeah, yeah, amazing. Yeah. So it's been really crazy. Like my great grandma before she died, like taught me all about how to listen to my dreams and read the signs and like protect myself from energies and stuff. And I think it's so crazy that people don't really treasure these little things that get passed down because it really is, it's you know, it's still it's part of the family culture, and to me, that's sacred. It is, yeah, it really is. It really really is. And it's just you know, it is crazy that instead of like nurturing it, you know, our society kind of says like, well, this is a sickness. But like I was a scientist, and I feel like I did really well, Like I'm published. Oh nothing that anyone would really want to read. It's like you know, research stuff, but published is published, thank you. But like I really I totally bought in to that whole like science life. And then so during this time, like a few a couple of years ago, I started doing ketamine therapy and that's when like I started getting off all my meds and I had these like wild hallucinations while I was under and like they were always like like they worked with my dreams to like heal me and like give me a more clear picture of who I was and my identity and like I was. It was really really healing for me. And I think like the spirit world and my dream life, like those things were what enabled me to like live a good life still after everything that I've been through. And I especially like I have one relative, Mayawuelito, and he used to pray for me, like before I even knew who he was. And I really feel like his love and his praying for me to come home, like I I felt chills right now. Oh my god, that's amazing. And I just I really feel like his love was protecting me from like a much worse outcome, because I mean, I lived a rough life, but I have a happy life now and I really, I really do believe that he's like still protecting me and he his love helped me get here. Like I'm podcasting, I know you're making us all like oh that's amazing, but like I'm even they really are. They really are, and and they don't stop. Like I told I told another adoptee, like even if you don't know who your ancestors are, they know you, Like our ancestors know us and they love us, and even when they're alive, and even if you're separated from them, like you know, I really do think that love is sacred. It's like a sacred energy. And I don't know, I've always felt like that, and I just try to like the more I learn about my families, the more I understand myself and how I'm not weird, Like I'm just more in to another part of life that maybe a lot of people don't take the time to see. 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And the best support that you can give us is just listening to our episodes here, So thank you for doing that, or are closed off too. I don't think I could see anything even if I wanted to. But like my mom and my great grandma, they both had like premonition dreams, like I've talked about it and other episodes, but like if she dreams a baby someone at my great grandpa he passed away before we met him, and my mom like you know, obviously everyone loves their grandparents, but like she absolutely loved them. She was always at their house, like their relationship was so close, and then obviously migration, like you know, just she didn't get to see them again before they passed away. But ever since he passed away, she's she's him in his in her dreams. We would like pray for him to help us out, which, like I know, is like, oh, other religions are like, oh, you can't pray to other people, But I think with Catholics were all we're all like more spiritual. Yeah, and so I don't even like I'm not I'm not a practicing Catholic, but I will ask still, like my ancestors for help, like oh, bello, I we're making this long drive. Protect us and not my grandpa because he passed away too, So we'll be like protect us on this whatever, keep them safe. Like that's super normal for us, and it's frowned upon in like other places, but that's what's something we've Yeah, me neither, that's something we've always done. And so like my mom kind of just taught us, like they're looking out for you always. And so whenever she dreams my great grandpa like upset, like he's he looks mad in his dream, like he's not looking at her, or like she'll be trying to reach him, like he'll be walking somewhere and she's like, oh wait, wait for me. I'm trying to catch up, and she can catch up no matter what. In her dreams. That means like something bad is going to happen, and it usually it comes true, like someone ends up passing away after dreams like that, someone in the family, a friend, or someone ends up like sick, it's it's always always comes true. So like there's always these legends of like oh, bluecasters are so scary, but that I think that is like if my mom wanted to get more into blue. Yeah, it scares her, but like that's she has that gift, Like I don't have it. I've never even to this day, Like my grandpa passed away and I just want to dream where I see him and I don't have them and never remember my dreams anyway, And Carmen she'll message me and be like oh, She'll message both of us and she's like, oh, I dreamed that we were all in Mexico and my Yabulita was there and like we all hugged him, and I'm like, oh that's beautiful. But yeah, I'm like so closed off. But it's like for whoever. And it can also be like I think a scary scary thing to totally something bad is going to happen. Yeah, like it's like a like a curse. Yeah yeah. My grandma called him nightmares. Yeah yeah. Yeah, She's like, why do you want more of those? Like their nightmares? Yeah, because my mom had the same thing. We remember, I told you, it's like the day before she got her diagnosis, she had her grandma come to her in a dream and say, everything's gonna be all right, You're gonna be cured. She and then the next day, actually I think not even the next day. That day, mid day, she got a call it she had cancer. It was crazy, but she already knew she was going to beat it because that was that she was told. Yeah, it was insane. And then my grandma dreams everything that happens to the family. So she dreamt when my mom was in a car crash, she dreamt when my uncle was beaten by the police. She dreamt my mom's diagnosis. It's crazy. And then we get like two days later, call, hey, I dreampt this, and my Mom's like, oh, okay, so I can't hide it from me. You already know. Yeah, we can't hide anything from my grandmother because she knows. She just knows and dreams. Yeah. That's how my grandma June was too. She was just like that. She dreamt, she just she knew everything. And then right before because she just passed away not that long ago, and I had one of my ketamine infusions right before she went into hospice. She had dementia and she was like sometimes forgetting who I was. But this time, I like had this dream that her spirit was being called to the next to the next world. But it wasn't like like we had had a close call before, but this time it felt like she was ready to go, and I was able to like tell everybody, like, hey, I think Grandma is going to be put in hospice soon. And then like a month later, she was put in hospice. Damn. Yeah, it's crazy, but I really think that these things they just run in some families. I really I believe that, like there's nothing like. So then when I met the other side of my paternal family, this is what my aunt left me. My great aunt left two tarot decks one and there's two like her and her sister each had a grand baby and that's me and my cousin, and so there was one deck for each of us. And like so it's literally for me on on all the sides. Yeah, it was just it was mind blowing to to like because I was a total like did not believe in any of this at all at all, like just edgy atheist, like no, none of that. All atheists go through an edgy atheists time period. I had mine too, or I told my mom and I was like, I don't believe in God anymore. And now I'm like now that I don't know, I'm like my thirties and I don't know things have happened. I'm like, you know what, I don't go to church. I'm not like a practicing religious person, but yeah, I believe there's something else out there. There's you know, our families are out there, yes, you know, still protecting us. I don't pray to God. She's my girl. Now now after I forgot what was it that I don't remember where I was with my mom that and that there's this like Comedy Central scared. I forget what the show is, but some guys getting robbed and then he's like, oh, but didn't protect me please? And then she shows up. She's like, oh, now you believe now you want to say to me? It was like it was some situation not that serious at all with my mom, Like I think I was gonna put something is so dumb, like I think I was gonna fall in trip And I was like, oh, because to save me And she's like, oh I thought you were e Yeah, just in case, that's good it's me just the case I could be wrong. Yeah, I just I'm like, I don't I don't know what all is out there, Like I know what I experience in my head amine journeys. I know, I definitely believe that this isn't like just the end. But like I've become one of the most spiritual people. I know. I'm definitely not religious. The Temple would be very unhappy with me. I'm a terrible Jew. This is it's literally Russias Shanna. I'm like supposed to be in temple right now. But but like this is like, this is my my belief system. All has to do with my ancestors. That's okay, we feel well, I would I'm a terrible Catholic. Oh cool, we can sit together. Yeah yeah, yeah, we could be sinners together. I'm down. When when I was in Mexico last time and we were visiting the my grandpa and like the cemetery, my mom was like, your kids aren't like baptized, so you need to Apparently it's like a thing that unbaptized children when they go to cemeteries, you have to like when you're leaving, you have to repeatedly say their name or their like spirit can stay in the cemetery at my mom told me and my Theah, yeah, that's what they both told me. Because my kids are not baptized. I'm not it's too late. I'm not going to do it. But she was like, you have. We had to keep calling them, and so all on the way out, we're just like b's repeatedly stay in their names, like follow us, follow us out, which is also necessary because they're like toddlers and they also wonder. So it worked both way. But and she also was like, oh, and then like that and like give them the Still I don't know how to do it. I can't remember what's it called in English when you bless someone, Is that what it is? Yeah? Yeah, you like touch you do like the sign of the cross almost like you move your hand like in four places. And then like it's like the because we still have like a little like prayer. I guess the prayer that you begin prayers with and end them with, or you're supposed to do. Sometimes I'm like I forget, but it's the name of the Father is done in the Holy Spirit, and it's you do that to yourself and to people, and it's like a blessing. It's like, yeah, she was like do that on the way out, and I was like, I don't remember how She's like, oh my fucking god, like I can't believe you. And I was like, I'm sorry. It's so funny, like the cultural like little things that we like continue doing regardless of our belief systems, Like no, I'm still you know what I'm I'm like agnostics sometimes, but I'm still gonna do this because just exactly, you never never know o jinks. I think you said that at the same time. I don't know. We'll find out when I'm editing. But wow, seriously, what an't I mean what an amazing, amazing story just goes to show Like I don't know what I was going to say after that, something about dreams and ancestors and how it's all connected. Yeah, something, but like there was a better sentence in my head that just didn't Yeah, yeah, it really is all connected, and like you can't. You cannot live your life as someone else and be okay, Like even if you have no idea who you are or where you came from, even if you were taken out of your you know, family when you were a baby, like you weren't you weren't a blank slate, Like nobody is just born into this world as a blank slate. Like we all have ancestors, we all have stories, and all of our families have been affected by history, and that will not leave you, even if you have no idea what it is. So oh my god, so true, so true. This reminds me. On my other podcast, he study Asn't Known and I covered I don't Thank you. We covered international adoptions. I want to say, she did it was and what was he there was? Yes, I was, Yes, I was yelling. I cried like a bitch during both of those episodes because and I think it was the Chila one that Carmen covered that went into more depth. She went she covered like because there's like I mean, it's a whole last hour and a half episode almost, but basically like during the war, people were being adopted out for profit. Basically I heard the don't do that, they do they do that in this country? Yeah, in this country. And like, because I was watching this thing from uh now, adults who were taken by CPS and they were like, my parents were never like that, but they just you see it. Also with the migrant children's that were lost, that were missing. I heard it happens a lot in It happened a lot in Korea and a lot of impoverished countries where kids go missing. It's because like these adoption agencies take kids and then the parents and yeah, and the parents in the countries are looking for them and then they find them. Oh yeah they were adopted out. Yeah, this happens everywhere that America has had any type of conflict. They it's also like it's a it's a yeah, it's a tool of genocide and it takes Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it all leads back to the US and white supremacy. And they actually they took my Latina heritage off the paperwork because they could sell me for more money without it. Oh wow, I'm not surprised at all, but yeah, that makes yeah. But yeah, those those both of those episodes have stories of people like later like they always felt like something was missing, something was wrong. I didn't look like anyone else because they were in countries like Switzerland and like these European ass countries and they were the only like Latino people, but they didn't know they were and they never like stopped feeling like something, they were missing something, and then later they find a lot of these adoptees end up going back to their countries with their biological families later. And when I heard all those stories, oh my god, I create someone. I mean, that's that's how I ended up here. Like I moved from New York City, and when I was little, I was like, just had this poll towards the Redwoods, Like I wanted to live in the Redwoods when I was just so beautiful. Yeah, that's where I live now. I'm jealous because I grew up in the area and my dad would take us every like every year, multiple times a year, to go visit the Redwoods and take the pictures next to the these I don't know, like they're giant, but it's like more than giant. I don't know how to describe them, you know what I mean, Like you look at them and yeah, they have presents. It's like a like a almost like a titan or something, you know what I mean. It has like this energy coming from them and always love that. They really do. The one that's right outside my window right now, my neighbor named her Deborah, and that she's four hundred years old. It's it's just such a peaceful place. And like so many adoptees, we like we long for our land and our people and our heritage. It's almost like you're you're the familial ties are calling to fooling. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Like I feel like these trees are my family, Like my family has been coming to this place for generations and generations and generations, and I just like I also had a hallucination on ketamine after my after my Grandma June passed that she was like living in the tree. Oh and like that, yeah, me too, And ever since then, I just I'm I'm so this is the first time in my life, like I'm grounded, I'm putting down roots, like this is my first real home with these trees. Like I'm I feel this sense of like I am finally where I'm supposed to be. Amazing. I'm gonna cry. I love that. Yeah, you're making me emotional. Sorry, guys, it's okay, It is okay. It's like it's like what it's called when you're like it's a few feel good but it's so feel good that you're just like, don't better cry, it's too feel good. I can tell you some not feel good stuff. Ked happy tears are better than like sad and scared tears. Oh hell yes they are. I'm done tears. Like I'm just hanging out here with the trees and the bats. I love that. And another thing with the trees I don't like. I never really thought of this, but I was on TikTok scrolling and it was someone who had like this again connection with like a grandparent, and they were like I remember being little and my grandmother's saying, not all your trees. Not all the trees are your friends. Some of them protect you, others do not, and like you. And I never noticed that, but that is true. There's always like that one tree you're like, there's something about you, and then there's other trees that you're like, I really like you tree. I know I have like emotional attachments with me too, and like sometimes like they get like a few of them got like a diseases, I don't know what, but like their their branches became brittle and they were just like falling off. And then the apartment complex that I that I have was like chopping them down, like crying. I was like calling my mom was like mother gotting down the trees oh, it's like I've never felt that. But again, it's probably because I'm so close off and I don't. I get this like sadness in the pit of my stomach when I see trees being cut down. I don't know why. Same same, Yeah, I don't like think you start crying moms Like, I know me too. I feel sad and like ugly crying. And she's like, it's it's okay me huh. I made my husband asks the tree if it was okay to trim part of it. I love you, you have to tell the tree what you're doing. Yeah. And I would feel so bad too as a kid when people would rip off its sleeves. I'm like, don't do no, just giving us the oxygen for real, It's it's yeah. So my adoptive mom came to visit and like, you know how the trees are all connected, like they're like a family. So my adoptive mom and dad they came to visit, and she's like, I love the redwoods. Do you think I could just take one home with me? And I was like, I think you tried that and it didn't work. She did not get the joke, so I had to explain it to her and that was like super awkward. But before before they came to visit my one of my adoptee friends on Twitter was telling me that there's like a lot of like the like you were saying, the trees. Not every tree is your friend. And if you, like I think that it it is dangerous to come into these woods and disrespect disrespect nature because these trees they're large, and they have large branches, and the branch here for hundreds of years, the things they have seen, the things they have seen and they have I believe that the woods have capabilities that we don't understand that we are we just don't know. So that's why I'm just like so cautious, and that's why I really try to, like I don't know, like be respectful, be respectful, and try like I don't look at these trees like I own this tree. This tree is living with me, like we're living together, and I don't own them, like they probably owned me more than I own them, Like they could just fall on my house and I'll be you know, So I just like though, Oh, also, the Pomo used to call this place. I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right, but Cola, which means the shady place. And they believed that if you built your that the redwoods all had spirits like they like an essence, and that if you built your house out of redwood, that the spirit would still live on in your house. And our house is built out of redwood. Wow. So it just wow. And then the whole story of like how we ended up with this house was just it was just so many signs that like it's this one and I have never felt so safe. But I was genuinely worried for my adoptive parents to leave. I'm like, I wonder if the woods are going to let them go, like you had to ask, like please let them leave in peace. They mean they mean no harm, really like they're not gonna take anything. We're not gonna take anything. At this point that anymore learned they have Actually they have. So that's amazing. No, but that's why there's so many like forest story, so many spirits tied to trees, like and that's like across all clothes. You can see that because like they also say, like you know, like those windows that live in the trees, and people like always feel like kind of like some kind of way with those trees with the wends in them, and I'm like, yeah, it's true. Like Pa, my grandma said that people who were really sensitive were better at like knowing, like feeling those things like seeing doend this and feeling the spirits and having the dreams. And she was like, you're so sensitive, and she's like, that's why you get the dreams. Oh wow, Well, I'm getting hungry. So this is a good time to wrap up because my popeyes is out there. But before we go, do you have any spooky recommendations? Any type of media that's spooky that you want to recommend. That's a tough one. I don't know. At this time. I should have been more prepared, and I apologize no worries. Christina is usually prepared for all of us. That is true. Well, then, MJ, do you have any I don't know. I just rewatched Crimson Peak. That's about it. Oh, I've been meaning to watch that since you mentioned it when we read they haven't seen it, Like that's streaming on Netflix, you know. I want to say Netflix. I look, I'm pretty sure I sat on Netflix to see their Netflix or Hulu because because those are the two apps I was on today. Have you noticed Whula's been adding a bunch of horror. Yes, yeah, they know. They're like, became prepared this year. You guys became prepared and I was a good job. Who Yeah. Yeah. I don't have any like media type of spooky recommendations, but I do have a sort of spooky recommendation. I bought some sheets, some white sheets, and I'm gonna put them on my children, and then I'm gonna put a little sunglasses on them, and then I'm gonna pictures of them. So I recommend everyone takes some ghost pictures. I love blommendation. I love that. Yeah, yeah, I will. I will show them when I have them. I was gonna do today, but then my husband wants to go get the sheets too late. I could have gone early. Awesome. My daughter wants to be Smarrow this year, and I'm like, how are we gonna do that? You're gonna freak a lot of people out from the ring or the ring I love. She has her really long hair because I haven't cut it since she was born, so she has a really long hair, and I'm like, black, yes, yes, you're gonna And her father is terrified I'm talking about I cannot him make that man and like since I met him watch the Ring and I was like, girl, your your father's gonna die. He's just gonna see you. Just stop over. She's like, I don't care. That movie is terrifying. I would be scared your daughter's And then she's like he's thirty one years old. He needs to get it together. I'm like, okay, damn. Yeah. It's like she won't kill you like Samarrow does, but she'll do emotional damage. So emotionally she's judging me. It's not even here, but she's judging ready. She's staid eyeing everything. If she ends up with that Halloween costume, I need you to like record a few tiktoks to her. She really wants she wants to be an alien and Samarrow, I'm like, you know what, I can't. I have to get a kid friendly costume for her to take to school. I was like, you can't. I'm not gonna take me like that. We're gonna scare all your friends. Yeah, that's so funny. I think you should let her scare all her friends. I'm voting for that one. There's a video. I think I've talked about it before. It it's like a little Asian girl and she's dressed as the thing from a spirited away. Spirited away. Yeah, and she's scarying everyone at the daycare. That's what I picture that girl. That's the best. Yeah. I want to be her friend, right, I feel like she knows things right? Yeah, okay, Well, how do I let us know if you've seen this man? Actually, no, let me rephrase that. If you if you see this man in your dreams, just punchmen, throw hands, throw hands. Yeah, please don't make love with him, but don't do that if you see him in the mental hospital. Yeah, yeah, just just turn around and walk the other way. No, out of there, yep, yep. And yeah, anything else to add before we end this? I think that's it, unless you know what, Let's remind the spookies that we're still reading Silver Nitrate. Yeah, new pages in. I think I'm like five. Oh okay, yeah, Carmen has read more I think, but not a lot either. So that's why it's the Speak Tales book Club for busy people. Yeah people, we're still on the last book, so well, you know what, the episodes are there waiting for, you know, whenever you finish the book. So yeah again for busy people. I think the last one took us like four months, right yeah, and it's it was the shortest book, so there was like it was just, oh my god, it was insane. I feel like it was like it's such an I mean, and that's saying something because this this time, I'm lates more insane. I've only gotten like five pages in the book. I'm going to read, I promise guys. I am well, I gotta read that, me too, me too, yeah, Silver Nitrate. And then I'm excited for the next one, the Vampires. Oh my god, I cannot wait for that one. That one's just I started it. My bad, I need to read the other one first. But I did start it, and like chapter one is already like oh my god, this is insane. So oh I can't wait. Like that's just it's just calling my name. I have it on my shelf and it's like read me, read me, and I'm like, I can't. I can't. I have a few more books patience. Yeah, all right, Well stay a spookie and we'll catch everyone next time. Bye bye bye,