Trevi Andrade Case Part 2

Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is Spooky Tells. Today we are doing part two of Gloria Trevi and there's no MG again, but I have two amazing guests today. Lady's back Hello, back again, and Carmen and me. I'm here. We had our We already had our awkward encounter. You guys, you missed all of it. They already fought and I was like, have you heard of me? And she's like, yeah, okay, cool, how's it going? But I can share the spotlight, so it's okay, thank you better than me, that's for sure. Oh yeah, sorry, I'm like, oh it's lee at night and I'm tired, but you can't take her meds. No, They're like they're worn out by now, so it's yeah, so basically yeah, I didn't take them and so I'm very tired. There we are, Yes, here we are for part two. But first a listener story and Lany so kindly let us borrow one of her listeners stories again. But if you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email at Spooky Tales at gmail dot com. You can dm us on any of our socials. You can record a voice note and attach that to an email. You can also call the Espooky hotline dot numbers in the show notes because I don't know it. And yeah, I think that's everything. That's it. Yeah, so let's hear this listener story. Okay, So last time I was on, I had Amelia. I shared her story, and I just remembered she had a part two, so we can kind of have a conclusion to Amelia's you know, paranormal experiences. So she says, Hey, it's Amelia again. I sent the story about the Rockman, and I'm here to talk about my childhood spirits that you seem to be curious about and a few extra paranormal experiences I've had as a medium. So I completely forgot she was a medium too until just now. Wow. So first is the Gray Man. I think she mentioned him in the last episode and the next ghost that she sees too, but she just briefly talked about them, like said their name and that was it, but focused mostly on the rock Man. Lots of man's here, yes, lots of men invading this child's space. Oh man, typical even in the afterlife. Wow, they don't get better in the afterlife. This is like worse because of like that what recovery? Oh, I know, right. Also, let's disclaim her too, because I like, I'm a like a jokey, laughing kind of person too with hard topics and stuff. But like, I don't think I just in case because you guys seem to sometimes get those people that like to call you out for random things that like normal people do all the time. True. True, Yeah, So let's just disclaim her now and say, like, we're not making fun of the situation or anything like that. Like obviously we take it seriously, which is why we're covering it to spread awareness, especially for people who don't know about this. You know, it's a pretty tragic case altogether, so and serious topics, but for me, levity helps me be able to get through it without it being such a draining topic. Just on your own energy. Yes, same with me and Carmen. I speak for both of us. Because she just started eating. She's like, mm hmmm, no, I'm not eating. I have Yeah, Okay, so she says, first, the gray Man, I was one to three while I experience these things. I lived in South Dakota during this time. The gray Man had a gray green blue pale skin color. He had messy white hair. Along with the short, untamed beard. He had long fingernails that curled in I'd say maybe four inches long. While I would sleep, he would poke my palms and my underfoot. He would do that until I would wake up, only to see him for a small fraction of a second. My aunt lived with me during this time, and she has told me about the times I would sleep walk talking about the gray man. I slept downstairs and my aunt slept upstairs. To get to her room, I would have had to get out of my secured crib, open the door without my mom hearing me, walk up seven stairs, get to the foyer, walk up seven more steps, turn left, walk about ten feet, turn left into her room. My aunt told me while I was sleepwalking, I sang, there's a man in Auntie's room, and he's what gray? I don't know. It literally tells me to drop a few octaves, So that's what and I turned around, walked downstairs and fell back asleep. Mind you, this is during the witching hour, which she says is midnight. I thought it was three am, but maybe twelve to three am. It's midnight, two three am or something like that. No, yeah, anytime a child between the ages of one to three is walking out of their crib singing about a gray man is a witching hour, and which is really inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, And I would like it to stop immediately. I'd be like, m no, nope, nope. And I have cameras in my house like inside now, so that would like freak me out if I was like, I don't want to watch it. That's a clip out of a horror movie. It's like paranormal activity. It's freaky, okay. So then her second ghost is Little That was her name. I saw her during the same time of my life as the Gray Man. Somehow I know that she is eight years old. She wore a white nightgown. She was pale, had elbow length, straight blonde hair, and covered in blood. She liked to stand in corners where a light couldn't reach, or at the top of the stairs. She would stare at me and scream. While she let out these blood curdling screams, she never looked scared, only her mouth was open and her eyes seemed dead. Disturbing. This is worse, This is worse, more just serving than the one three year old scene about the Gray Man. I don't think that she wasn't scared, She's just scareaming. It reminds me of what's that girl from The Ring or whatever. There's that little other movie that's kind of like a trilogy of The Ring. I don't know, I haven't seen it. She's just like screams. Yes, I think it's the precursor to The Ring. Yeah, freaky because it was like what a Japanese folklore tale or something of that nature, not like that. That was freaking Okay. So third and final. Many years after this happened and of moving to different states, I moved back to the same house in South Dakota and I'm currently living there. I don't see the Gray Man or Little anymore, but I experience new things in this house all the time. Since I'm a medium, I talk to them in ways that most people can't. I recently met a girl I do not know her name, though she died in the last eighteen sixties during the war between white men and indigenous tribes in South Dakota. She is Native eighteen or nineteen years old and has been watching over the house before it was even built, meaning she has been watching over the land I believe she was part of the flund drou tribe. She is kind and protects me, my girlfriend and my roommate slash best friend. I speak to her using dowsing rods and a spirit box, but I will never use a wija board. I'm sure I will send in some more stories of new experiences with the spirits in my house, but that's all for now, and I think that's enough. She sounds so nice. She deserves a nice ghost after where she's been throwed. Yeah, oh my god, right, imagine no peace for yourself even when you're a baby. Oh my god, no, right, like when you should be like totally unaware of like your life around you and the surroundings, like you just are plagued by ghosts, and then a girl screaming in the middle of the night, horrify somewhere, horrified, terrible. I hate it. Also so wild that her memory starts then, because the first thing I remember is like fourth grade. Well, remember she said the first she had a haunt. She has a photographic memory, so she like remembers everything so specifically, which also sucks. Yep, I would not want that. I would want that, but not for ghosts, right, I would want that, but not for trauma we'd like to avoid, so creepy. Well, I guess let's move on to the terrible topic for today part two. Yes, of the Andrada clan as it's known. Now, did you name it or is that no, that's what it's referred to. Oh okay, yeah in Spanish, I was like, look at you. Interesting how her name is first, it doesn't even alphabetically make sense. And also she's not like the main abuser you know, you know why, right, but because she's a woman. Yeah, we just talked about that last episode too, where we were like, she's getting more of the flak than even Sergio is, and he's literally the one who started the whole thing. You know, She's gotten trauma from both sides, like from her family specifically her mom and then now Sergio and then the world. So yeah, she's still like still has to be held accountable, but she's more of a victim than Sergerio, like you said, not more accountable than said and himself, which is something I mean, Well, we'll get into it. We'll just I'll just start where I left this off. Actually something I left out because there's so much right and last episode was already like an hour and a half long. But something that I left out is that all the girls that came across, there's just so many. If I had words to name mama, we'd be here like ten hours. Yeah damn, but yeah, there's just so many. It's difficult to get into every single one. A couple of Gloria Trevi's younger cousins were recruited by her at some point and left the cult. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. That's so sad, m H. And I want to say, no, no, no, I don't think her younger sister was ever. Her younger sister visited them in Brazil. But according to Marie Bokitas, that's another thing I wanted to say. I think I last episode, in the entire time, I called her Maria, but it's Marie. Oh I thought it was Maria Bugitas. No, no, no, the actual nickname is Marie Bokitas. And the whole time I said Maria, so yes, that is for us. Sorry, we'll forgive you, thank you, thank you. Yes. According to Maria Bukitas, Gloria trevis sister visited them in Brazil, which we'll get into. But she was never abused, so that's good to know. There was another girl, fifteen year old Wendy Castello. She was from La Paz, Baja, California. And then there was the La Cuesta sisters who also are play a big part in what happened. So the first the Laquista sister was Katya the La Cuesta, and she met Gloria and one of her concerts and they're from Puebla. Katya la la Cuesta then recruited her younger sister, and then they recruited Carola, the youngest sister, and so there you were kind of the ones that set this new rule and the cult that then if there was an older sister, she was to bring along the younger sisters. Oh like that? No, Yeah, highly disturbing. And so they were the first sisters. But then this became a common practice for them to either recruit younger sisters or cousins, which actually Gloria had already done too. They all arrived before Marlene and I did go into Marlene's recruitment in part one. So she was the young thirteen year old girl that was recruited by Arlene Ernandez who she did it so that she could uh get her album made and oh yeah, yeah yeah and leave both So yeah, all those things just to like highlight the gravity and like depth of his predatory like behavior. Yes, exactly. And all this happens because the last episode we left off, when they were about to all leave to Spain, everything was kind of falling apart for Satiuo Andrade, like Adleen's book was about to come out. Pati Chapoy was speaking about all these things NonStop on Ventaniando and then the calendar, the discussing calendar that came out, all these things and the rumors were not going away. I did. Yeah, I want to mention the other girls because all of them were recruited before Spain, and I didn't mention them last episode. There was also concerts two Fine Gloria trevilokalikes before all this, and this was also a way they recruited more girls, like a front, Yeah, like a front, that's the perfect word for it. And they did these in Mexico and also all over Latin America. So one of these was held in Chile and this is where fifteen year old Editsuniga was recruited. And then she brought along her younger sister whose name I somehow didn't write down, so my bad. But those were the Sunniga sisters and they were recruited from Chile and they were also this will all come back, which is why I wanted to mention like even more names, because I think by the time they're in Brazil, there's like twelve girls at least. Yeah, he brought like half, I mean like a dozen or more with them. Yeah, too many, too many. So I know you're not going to get into everybody. But what is like the ballpark of like a number of victims, like hundreds, You know, it's hard to say because some people never came forward, but I think we can assume. Yeah, the main group of girls, I want to say, we're probably fifteen ish that were in the house the whole time. But according to mari Wokitas, girls came and went in the house that didn't never stayed, including like groy Gas cousins. And then at the school Marii Bokita's in her podcast in Brokasrad I mentions like abuse happened there too, and they they were never like living in the house, but that was an abuse that happened there too. So I don't have a number. I wish we knew. Actually, I think it's safe to say hundreds for sure, because he had to have been doing this before hundreds, just the access that he had. And I know you talked about what's her name, Lucetto, Lucero. Oh sorry, she's Lucetto now La back then, yeah, Lusetto. And he was already an adult right when he was like groomy her, like definitely late twenties, yes, and words that we don't know of. So that means if he was that outright with her, that he already had a pattern established at this point. So who knows how many victims he probably had beginning probably from his teens, yes, because it starts young. Yeah yeah, yeah, and he could have maybe even targeted family members because it's easy, true to do. So I mean like he probably has you know, like you said, hundreds of victims, including likely members of his own family. Yes, which is really even more like devastating because it just doesn't stop. You know, there's no end insight or anything like that. Even with the focus on his crimes and stuff, you have to imagine like the depth of his depravity really, and he looks like he is a predator. Yeah, yeah, now I know why his mom liked his brother better the shade, and who knows if his brother's not the same. We don't know. We don't know. True, he's a politician, so you never know. Yoh. Now, with all that mentioned, all the girls I didn't mention in part one, We're going to go back to where we were. Gloria had announced at a concert that she had promised Abiti Madia that she wasn't going to sing until said Kyo had a been cured from cancer, and so she was like essentially retiring until said he was better. This, of course was a lie. There was never any cancer, and really things were just heating up for him in Mexico and he needed to leave like as soon as possible, and this was like a way for them to have Gloria, who arguably was the biggest star in Mexico at the time, away, for her to step down from the limelight and like go into hiding. Essentially, like she needed to say something. She couldn't just disappear, right, So this is what she said. But at the same time it left people so confused because it's like, why would it matter if said he has cancer? Who, like, you know, who cares because they were they were also denying their being in a relationship. Yeah, the relationship for years, because what year was it? This was ninety was it ninety seven or ninety six? I lose track of This had to be ninety six because they were hiding for like a year, and because I know he got married again like that the year after whatever, So I was like, if it was before that, so then yeah, like ninety six and stuff. So wait, when did he get married? He got he he got married like twenty When was this time that you're talking to? Ninety seven? One to Sonya? That's right, Sonya and Sonya. They were already abroad when it happened with Sonya. So yeah, so his last his last wife before Sonya was obviously Alene. So oh Alena? Yeah, why did I add an art to her name earlier? No one's thought, I'll let you do what you do. It's your show. It's your show. Yeah, my bad, that was whatever I said. My bad again, my brain fried. So we're here for you. It's okay, thank you, thank you. So this was the line they came up with to have him move, So yeah, this must be it must have been ninety six. So first, said Heyo announced that he was leaving with one of the girls and Gloria to a and then he left Mari Borkitas and Gabriela, another one of the girls in charge of like all the bills and stuff back in Mexico, and just the audacity of like this man. And then not long after said he was sent for Marie to get some papers from him in Argentina and told her that soon there would be like a book with lies by Aline and that she needed to go visit her family to kind of like calm the waters before things blew up or whatever. Right, So whenever the girls visited their families, they had to go in pairs. They couldn't go alone because you know, the system he created was for them to spy on each other, snitch on each other if someone was like not acting right, and so this buddy system was for them to keep doing that, to keep spying on each other. So she went to see her family with Carla the La Cuesta. When Mari Wokitas and Carla returned to the house that they had in Mexico, said Heo called her that he wanted her and then like several of the other girls to go to Spain, but everyone thought he was already he was an ascentina, so that was like also another like confusing part of it all. And all the girls were doing the same thing, visiting their family members in pairs to say, oh, we're gonna be quote unquote touring and recording records music and rehearsing, yeah, abroad. But it was a lie. So they did as they were told. They went to Spain, and then soon the rest of the girls were there, and just the way that they were, they have been referred to this whole time as like uh n adam, which I don't know what the like, a harem thank you hair exactly the same. It's like, I don't know the word in English for it, it's the same. Okay, Yeah, they were all they were for two as his harem. Which is this I don't know, disturbing to me, yeah, disgusting. Yeah. And these are all children, yeah, by the way, so not like these can't even be a harem exactly. The only adults at this point are like Gloria, Riya Maddi. And then I want to say Marilene is the next oldest one, mm hmm. And then after that I want to say most of them are definitely twenty and under, then eighteen and under, and then there's like a couple that are fifteen, and then the youngest is Karina Yapor he's like fourteen, yes, fourteen. So they all got to Spain. In Spain, said he'll continued his physical abuse. He starved the girls some days, making them eat nothing but a small piece of bread. Other times nearly rotten food that they got from restaurants. Oh my god, like restaurants were about to throw away their food, and they had to go beg for this food and that's what they ate. I don't think this is where he made them beg for money yet it is? It is, okay, yeah, it's before they went to Brazil. Yeah, okay, so yeah, in Spain, they all had to beg for money, including Gloria Trevi. But didn't people recognize her? Was she cut her hair out? Yeah, and then like you know America. Yeah, and they all had raggedy, beat up clothes most of the time. So yeah, nobody recognized her, which is isn't that crazy? You just like have this globe like well, national superstar, not yet global superstar. No. No, she was pretty at least because Spain is a Spanish speaking country. There's no way she wasn't known. Yeah, but do you think they would have recognized her in Spain. I think so to the extent that they would have in Mexico and stuff, or any Latin American country, I know, any Latin American country she was big in. But honestly, I don't know. I feel like Spain is pretty similar, though I don't know, I've never been. I do know a lot of the art artists that are popular in Latin America are usually popular in Spain also, So then yeah, I mean that would be crazy to me if I was seeing like Britney Spears, you know, like out on the only equivalent I have, like out on the street being like can you give me like five pennies or whatever? They use to like buy food that they couldn't even buy because he was always like, you can't eat unless I give you permission to eat. So like it was literally just to get money for what to pay for where they were staying, you know. Yeah, So it's all an exercise and control, that's all it is. Because like he had the he had, Yeah, he was flushed with cash for the most part, right because he was. It's not like they're staying in freaking hotels. He's an old man with like a dozen young women and children. So it's not like he's staying in a freaking hotel. Who's going to sit there and go like why is you know, why are and especially with how they look, you know, they look terrible, they look malnourished. Yeah, so there's there's somewhere hidden, somewhere they're not going to be seen. Yeah. Yeah, so he's spending all, like all of his money on just like real estate and and Gloria's money because she's the money maker, like one of the bigger money makers in the group. And so yeah, they would eat almost rotten restaurant food that was about to be thrown away. They were forced to sleep on the floor. They barely ate. Actually in this the first time they were in. For several months, they did stay in hotels. He stayed in a fancy hotel nearby, and they were like in a beat up hotel. Oh my god. His favorite girl at the time would be the one to stay with him in the fancy hotel, and tbh, most of the time it was Gloria Treville. It's not a good look. So most of the time him and Groodia stayed at her fancy hotel, and then everyone else was at the other cheaper hotel and they were out eating an actual restaurants. But even then, not all the time. She was still subject to abuse. Yeah, and then it turns out while they were there that Karina Yapo, who was fourteen, was pregnant. Noah could tell because she was so malnourished that none of them were getting periods. Her belly wasn't getting that big, you know, so said he sent her to get an abortion, but then he learned it was going to be a girl, and he changed his mind because then he could make her part of the quote unquote family. And by that he didn't mean his family has a daughter. He meant make her one of the girls. He abused. Yeah, we know what he meant. Yeah, yeah, okay. I don't like it's going on disturbing. I just it was unnecessary. Whenever something is very disturbing, I just keep talking more, you know, you like, explain it more in depth. I think you're trying to intellectualize it so that it doesn't seem as you don't feel the feelings of it. I think you're right I think, oh my god, what is this therapy? Well is a social worker. It's a social work right now. He did not agree, like I have to go to Dan. But no, that's that's I mean a great way to put it too. Truly, I think that's really disturbing on something. I mean in what I do, like in terms of the true crime piece, like unfortunately, cases like this are a dime a dozen, you know what I mean, Like this isn't even the depths of depravity that you could get to, which is even more disturbing and shameful. You know. Yeah, he changed his mind because you know now it was the girl, and so she went back to Spain. At the time, in Mexico, rumors continued to spread, Aileen, oh my fucking god, and all my notes I wrote, isn't her sister Adlene? Is that what you're doing that? Or am I? And R you said Madlene? Always mad lenin never mind, I'm making sure that I'll just put you up here the expert way in here. Yeah, Ani, yes, yes, it is Alene Alene. Okay, So Alena's book released, then there was an attempt to like bring charges with it and set you sent Gloria and Marie to Mexico to calm these rumors down. And they had no idea of the gravity of the situation that awaited them in Mexico to the and they were just gonna go like, oh, calm the family down, like they always did whenever things happened, Like, calm their That's what they thought they were doing. So they were making rounds with the press, like press that they had never encountered prior to this. They were denouncing Aline, saying she was trying to get money, she was just doing this for attention, you know, the usual talking points. Yeah, Yeah, survivors are met with and at this time they also met with prosecutors and they had to and they did defend Sejio and the charges were dropped. And I guess there was just not enough evidence to pursue an actual criminal case at this point from Alene because she submitted her book as evidence and then the prosecutor threw it out as if her word wasn't like enough, So there was no charges. So before leaving Mexico, they stopped with their families, you know, said like, oh, everything's okay. We're just doing this abroad work recording, we're traveling all lies of course, and before heading back to Spain, Marie was supposed to go to Chile to take the Suniga sisters, the ones I mentioned earlier, to see their family members because again this this, these news were it was all over Latin America, and so said he had to try and like calm down the families of these other girls that he had taken, said to himself, met them in Chile, and which is something he never did. He never met with the families himself. He always sent the girls and so that was like a sign that it was not things were not good. And so he was in like a hotel by himself as always with usually with Gloria, and then the rest of the girls were in a separate hotel. While they were in these hotels, one of the Suniga sisters, I'm not sure which one tried to escape to go back to the parents' house. The other one followed, so they both went back home. Basically, oh good. Once he noticed they were gone, said yo, Mari, Gloria and maybe some a couple more that were with them. Not everyone everyone else was in Spain except the ones in They all like grabbed all their things and fled Chile because they were like oh, they're gonna go tell the police, and so tho Sunia sisters did that. Them and their parents went to Chilean authorities, but they couldn't do anything because these crimes had taken place in Spain and said he had fled. There was nothing that those Sunia sisters could do. But luckily they got away, like at least, yeah, at some point, this is all like convoluted. At some point, Karina had her baby already and they were all making rounds to visit families to calm them down. After Alina's charges that didn't happen like fell through. So Gloria and Karina Yapo were in Chihuahua and Marii was from Chile, was sent back to Spain. And so by now Karina's baby had been born, right, this was all a secret from the family. They didn't her family, they didn't know, and so her baby boy was left in Spain with the other girls while Gloria and Karina were in Chihuahua. Said here on them or in Chile, right, and like you keeps saying this just to like put a space where everyone's at because it's there's just so much yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then Mari goes back to Spain, and now there's different accounts of what happened next. The first version I learned is the following that Mari Bokitas went back to Spain. Karina Yapor's baby became sick. She took him to the hospital and he was admitted, and when she tried to go back to pick him up, the hospital wouldn't give him back to her because she was not the biological parent. Right, Katina was in Mexico with Gloria. They were doing that, and then Gloria and Karina left to wherever else they were, right because there's so much traveling taking place. So point is that Karina's not in Spain. And so then the hospital contacts Karina's parents that they have their grandchild, which they didn't even know existed. However, Marie Bokitas has a for an account of what happened on her podcast in Boca Sa So and I'm gonna share that account. It's a little yeah, and it's a little bit different. There's parts that are the same. So she says that while she was sent back to Spain, she was met with a horrifying site. Gettina's baby was laying on the blanket on the floor because said he didn't allow them to use mattresses and Gettina's baby was very fatigued. He looked very sick. Said he had called her and instructed her to get rid of the baby, leave him something didn't matter. How leave the baby with a neighbor if she needed to, and then head to Argentina where him and Glodia were at and I maybe Karina was also with them at that point. So Maddie tried to leave the baby with the neighbor and the neighbor was like, you're trying to leave a baby that's not yours. I'm calling social services. Maddy left before the neighbor could call social services. She was like, I'll take the baby myself to social services. So she took the baby, but she went back home and the baby was looking worse. And then Karina tried to go to Spain. They were set to pick her up from the airport. And when they were at the airport and they were supposed to meet Garina, she comes with the security guard or police officer with her. It turns out she can't go into Spain because she overstayed with her tourist visa and so Maddie and the other girls that were there, they were begging the security to let Katina hold her baby, which she did get to hold the baby like one last time to say goodbye, but the whole time Karina was like, said he was gonna kill us. He's gonna be so mad, He's gonna be so mad. And then Karina gets taken out of the country again and the girls go back to the house in Spain with the baby. The baby's still looking sick, and so Marii calls said he Andrade and tells him like, hey, the baby's looking very sick. I want to take him to the hospital. Please, and everything any sentence she ever said to him, she had to say please and thank you before anything she said. So she's like, please, can I take him to the hospital? Thank you? Like my God. And so she takes the baby to the hospital and the baby is underweight, he is fatigu he smel noourished, and so she begs them to admit the baby and they do, and then she says, like, I have to leave the country. His mom's going to be back to pick him up soon, and then they all leave. Then that's her version of it. That's how she left him in the hospital. Welcome to our Hunted break. We just want to give a shout out to our newest Patreon members, Hiovanna, Cardla and Anastasia. Thank you so much for joining. The No Mamas super series is Pooky Tear and the Orless series is Pooky Tear. 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I don't believe that you know how to say, like the simplest answer is probably the right answer. Like, that's a lot of excuses for how she gets the baby to the hospital, on a lot of like moving parts for how she gets the baby to the hospital. So I think this is likely a saving face because any person would be horrified to hear that because you didn't know how to take care of an infant or how to take care of a baby, and you allowed or you were like so under this coercive control that you didn't feel the authority of self to like say, whatever's going on with me has to go away, and this baby's needs supersede, you know what's happening. But when you have like course of control, you can't do that. So I think it's probably easier for her to compartmentalize and say like no, no, no, all these other things happened, and then you know, I was trying to do all these things. It kind of trying to push away the fault that lies with her as an adult, you know, and who's who was, unfortunately the main person who was in charge of caring for this child. Like she was literally sitting back to take care of the baby that Karina decided to leave behind. Again not in a willing mindset because of her being in the same abusive cycle. But you know she I mean, like, I think if she were more honest about it, because I don't believe that entire thing. I think there are some truths to it, but yeah, I think that it is really like, it's really expansive in terms of all of these things that happened. Yeah, And it makes her look bad if she just goes like, yeah, I didn't take care of the baby, and then I took him to the hospital and they decided to keep him because I couldn't prove I was a guardian or this child's mother. Yeah, And I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. And I do think one they were all malnourished themselves. Of course, the baby's going to be malnourished, and at the end of the day, him being at the hospital was the safest place for that baby, the best thing, Yeah, because he was going to die if he kept on staying with them anyway, said, and they probably did tell her to leave the baby and get rid of it. Oh yeah, that part believe, like he was probably like you could throw it out in the ditch. I don't care, like figure out what to do with this thing. I'm surprised he didn't murder somebody, honestly, Like he had no no care, no care for like life, regard for anyone's exactly at all. So I wouldn't be surprised if like something comes out that he's basically like murdered somebody in the past, because it's so close to it, Like he just is so like this piece highlights the we don't use like psychopathy anymore, but truly like the the evilness and like fucking fucked up ass bitch ass like exactly. Yeah, oh yeah, it's insane. So I get it, Like I just don't necessarily believe the entire I don't believe the accuracy of the story, like because in her podcast and VOCA she says like, oh, I was saving that baby's life. I don't think in the mindset that she was in that she was thinking about the baby. I think she was only thinking about his orders leave his baby somewhere, and that somewhere happened to be the hospital. Yes, and she did save his life, I mean truly, like that's the highlight of it, you know, So there we are, that's the good and all of it. And also because her leaving the baby there, and then they all left Spain after that, and then when they got to Argentina after that, Matty told, you know, said here what happened, that she had to leave the baby, but that the mom of the baby was gonna like contact them, and so said you had Marii and Karina called the hospital together. The hospital asked for a documentation to prove that Karina was who she said she was, because when Marie left the baby there, she said, this is the mother's name, this is the information, like we will call you again, and so gettin a call. They asked for a documentation and they ended up sending facts seen over a copy of her passport. I want to say it was. And so with that fact, it set forth the downfall of Setio Andrade. Really yeah, okay, okay, very very Uh what's his name BTK? When he was in the library, yes, yes, like nineteen ninety eight, two to gain some perspective on it, where he's like, you can't tell that's the thing. Oh my god, don't get me started on BTK, because I have a whole thing about this. I'm like, you freaking idiot, Like I'm glad he was caught one hundred percent, but like, how dumb do you have to be? I literally asked the police to be like can you trace this? Oh yeah, just because I don't and don't lie to me. Guys like that's literally what he said, and they're like, uh, Kate, no, we can't trace it. We would never lie to you. And then he's like, all right, I believe you, and then sends it in and you're like, okay, cool, thanks for your age, sex and location because we basically have found you. Oh my god. Yeah so basiculous. Yeah, so yeah, it's basically like that too. They're like, oh, okay, so you just confirmed that a fourteen year old child was impregnated and is the mother, Like, you freaking idiot exactly, And so with this information, the hospital went to the Mexican embassy in Spain. I love it. I love all of this. I mean just this how he was caught, not obviously not all I know what you mean. You're praying for his downfall. Literally, yes, So with this, they contacted Karina Yeppo's parents in Mexico told them that they had a grandson in the hospital and they were like what because they didn't know this baby existed. I had no idea that their teenage daughter had been pregnant. And although the birth certificate just said unknown for the father, who else could have been the father this baby? Right? Oh? That was I was going to ask if he was born in the hospital and how that didn't trigger anything like about a fourteen year old being pregnant and no further investigation. But well, I mean, we're in the early nineties in Spain. I don't know how much they would have cared to look into a teenage pregnancy by Mexican nationals. Yeah, and I doubt he was present at the birth too. I'm sure it was like girls taker or she had a home birth. You know. I don't think she had a home birth because there was a birth certificate. Although you could have a home birth and then take the baby's snake to keep it private, like, yeah, but there was a birth certificate and he it was listed unknown and then no father listed yeah, no father listed, but the parents knew who she was with this whole time, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then they went to the authorities. This kicked off the international manhunt for them because they told the Chihuahua authorities everything. They told them. Their daughter was a teen, she was taken by this man. And they also named Gloria Trevi and Marie Bokita's Raquel. Oh my god, what's her middle name? I was just I've been this is twenty hours of this isn't it. I thought her middle name was that Raquel thing, like, all, okay, sorry Maria, yes, yes, something like that. Yes, yes, so she names her as well. They name all three of them, as it accompasses in this I think. Okay. So there's obviously the book if you don't know Girl Trouble, like read it. It covers this whole saga. But one of the things I thought kinda was interesting about this whole piece right here, right, because you're like, oh, great grandparents are notified, you would expect that they take action immediately, right to be like they took six months? Yeah? I was like yeah, for what why? And like there's no clarity really behind it, Like you don't really know, as far as I know from the stuff that I had in my memory bank. Obviously yes, the movie No, but like I was so floored by that. I remember that piece like I literally highlighted it and was like, how like this is the a year child who's fourteen fifteen years old, you know, who they haven't seen in a long time. And then you get this call and you're like probably horrified. I'm sure to be like what the hell, like my kid has a kid, and then you go, I'm gonna sit on that for six months. Yeah, and like only they can know why. Maybe it's like consulting attorneys. I don't know, it could be. It could be. I know there was back and forth between the embassies to then have the baby taken to them. Maybe they wanted the baby first before pursuing legal action charges. That's smart. That can be my only guess, because like nothing else makes sense to me. Yeah, Maddie, she maintains that, you know, she was saving the baby's life by leaving them there, which in the end it did save us life to this day, Karina. At least interviews I saw in the early two thousands, before twenty ten, but after like two thousand and five or something like that is what I saw. She still blames Maddie for her baby being sick and for abadining her baby. She blames her. Yes, yeah, at least she did back then. I don't know what her I don't know how she feels about it now, but yeah, which is insane to me because a, you left your baby there to begin with. Yeah, I feel like it's misplaced for sure. I'm like the decision in the request was made by Sergio, not anybody, when the end is the one who blame for all of this. Yeah, so that it seems a little misplaced. I get being pissed off like that, you know, your kid, Yeah, gets admitted to the hospital because of you know, not being cared for. I get that, but like I don't get the whole you forced me to abandon my child how. Yeah. And that's the thing about another thing about this case, that's so it just happens so much. There's so many of the survivors blaming each other. But I think with the way that he ran his cult, the way he coerced all of them, abuse all of them, and essentially trained them to do this, and so I think part of it was still ingrained in them, like to second nature. Yeah, to blame each other first. I don't know how much unlearning or unpacking they all did later on, I know in her own podcast, Marii Bokitas is like, I understand now, I get it now that this is what was happening. He is the one to blame for everything. She's like, she says, like, oh, I only hope everyone is like okay now and like that they can forgive her. And she's like she forgives all of them, and like, you know, and I don't know how much growing they each did, but that was the big When all this was in the news, you saw a lot of the survivors speaking out against each other, all of them like it was. And again it probably also gave them a little bit of money that they needed because they had nothing because that he took everything. Yeah, so there was a lot, a lot of things going on a lot, Okay. So they were in at Centina when all this was happening in nineteen ninety eight. Oh yeah, at some point either in Argentina or Brazil. Honestly, you don't know when it happens. Sonia, he marries Sonya Rios, that's the last name. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know if that happened in Argentina, Spain or in Brazil. I want to say it was Argentina because they get to Brazil in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, that feels right, because what's your Argentina and herself. Let's just pretend right now that that's the case. I think so, though I'm pretty sure to call the fact checkers, just give us some time. I believe both of you. Don't quote us on that, but I I believe while they were in Afgentina married Sonya. There was no obviously no ceremony, but it happened, and so then they can't be in one place for too long, said, he announces that they're gonna head to Brazil. At some point, Sonia herself had a baby, a girl in Argentina. During that time in Brazil, three more babies would be born. Yeah, because he's an idiot and like a narcissistic weirdo. Yeah, well, he's partly like where did you say you're an Udia in Brazil? Right when they go to Brazil or in Argentina that the babies are born. One baby is born in Argentina and then the other three are in Brazil. Yeah, because he's like, they don't have an extradition policy if your kids are born here, and they're like, actually that lung doesn't exist anymore. That's what he believed. He cannot be extradited. Yeah, he got them pregnant on purpose, like it was purely to make sure, like they couldn't get extradited. Like Gloria got pregnant, right, Yes, Gloria was the last one, I want to say. But then Guarina's baby was in Spain, and then let's see when I just saw, Yeah, Sonya had her baby in Argentina. So then there was Garina de la Cuesta No no, sorry Godla Gardila had a boy, and then Gloria had a girl, and then Gordida's baby was born in nineteen ninety nine. So yeah, those are the other three babies. And like said, he and they had this depraved dream that he was gonna buy an island somewhere and they were all gonna be there have his babies, and then his babies, he would impregnate the girls and they would have more babies. Oh yeah, disgusting, like truly disgusting. So yes, now nineteen ninety eight, they're in Brazil. There's three babies born here in Brazil. They were going from town to town, never standing in one place for too long. The abuse room said he were ramped up, but in new ways. He did things like mix all the food in the fridge with eggshells and make them eat it, make them eat their own vomit. Oh my god. He would tell them repeatedly he was gonna kill himself if they left, so they couldn't escape. I wish he would have right, I wish he would have done as a favor. At one point, he because he was always looking for a new property to then move everyone too, because you know, they couldn't stay in one place for too long. So during one of these like searches for properties, he sends Madi Bokitas to one of the most dangerous neighborhoods because they call them favelas. So she was sent to one of the most dangerous favelas to look for this property. And when she returns, he told her it was too bad that she returned alive because he thought she was going to be killed. My god, wow, when she was looking for property. And this is just to mess with them more psychologically, Yeah, to make them more scared to show them that he has knee ways to hurt them. Right, So on top of now the new babies, the four now ur you know, yes, sorry, there's just so many babies. So Mari Lene and Wendy were pregnant too, So that's six pregnant. You had eight kids altogether, yes, uh huh right, yeah, I believe so. So one baby was already given away from way before a boy because he didn't want any boys evers, and that was baby was given to his brother. And then now all these other babies, right, So the girls that had their babies there, you know, living and they were in the same place with him. They testified that he physically beat the children, Maddy and Gladia Denyll this to this day. So the truth is probably with the other girls, right, he probably did abuse them because a person like that wants control and you can't control the baby. Babies cry when they want. Yeah, Madi Bokita's they're saying like, oh I Didsey said he'll playing too rough with them, and that could have been seen in abuse. I don't believe that. I do believe he physically oh yes, these children, like there's no doubt in my second I can't believe that they would exempt the children from that exactly, yes, especially to hurt the mother. Uh huh, Like I just can't imagine that he would be like, oh no, my poor babies, Yeah right right right, like you think he'd be a carrying father please? And I laughed because it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. During their time in Brazil, one of the the La Cuesta sisters, Carola, she jumped from the balcony one day to escape these horrors. And it was actually after an argument with Gloria about what who knows? Right, only they know, but she loves her baby Milton behind, and she ran. She jumped and ran and then said andrad to like make sure this was possible. According to him, he made Maddie recreate the jump and she did, like, so she jumped off the alcony. Yeah, and again more like just just more abuse. Yeah. He sent the girls to find Cala returned after three days, and like, of course she did, because one it takes up multiple attempts to leave an abuse her. They're in a foreign country, this is all she's known for years now, and her baby's there, So don't I don't blame her for one second for returning but she had to beg him to be allowed back inside the house again, just more more of his depraved game, more control. A few weeks after that, mad Lene also tried to escape, but then she returned the same night he triatened to kill himself again, which again I wish he would have right, And the moving ramped up after that, from from house to house. It was during all this that Gloria had her baby Anna that lie and unfortunately Gloria's baby only lived thirty days and it's still a mystery what happened, So there's different versions of this. Well. Gloria's version of the death is that it was una morte de cuna or SIDS and which is the thing. The baby was young, it can happen. On November thirteenth, nineteen ninety nine, they found her baby like not alive anymore in the room, and then Gloria was like being held back. She was going crazy, obviously right, her baby was dead. And this is from an interview she gave years later. Groodia says that one of the girls gave her baby CPR and it seemed like the baby was responsive, so then Glodia grabbed the baby and she tried to leave the house and that Karina Yapor blocked her exit, demanding to know where she was going. Gloria told her to the hospital, and she was trying to push her out of the way, and Karina yelled at her, like your baby's dead. And then Gloria like came to and like felt her baby was cold and rigid, and then she doesn't remember anything for the following weeks that there would be days she thought she was nursing, thinking it was her baby, but it was one of the other babies because she needed to get rid of her milk, because you know, that's so sad. In her state of mind, she was just told that her baby was buried, and then she didn't ask any other questions. And in reality, someone has thrown the baby into the river. Oh my god, terrible under orders from Setium. And it's appalling to me to even think that this happened to her baby. And she still later interviews for years, she victim blamed everyone I know for a very long time and would say things like the girls were there because they enjoyed it. Really vulgar, vulgar, But what about her saying, right, why was she there exactly? Like did she say, she can't say she was a victim if she's saying they liked it so much. Yeah, deflection. Yeah, and I'll get into it later. But I saw what she said about it in twenty eighteen, but I didn't see Oh I think I saw it. Yeah, he probably did. But it's just weird that that to me. But obviously the whatever they went through, like deeply deeply affected them. Yeah, Maddie, her version is different. They were all watching the movie in the living room, something they did regularly. The babies were all sleeping in one of the rooms on a mattress, and she saw Glorida kept asking for permission from said he to ask him a question, and he kept ignoring her. Finally, he tells her Gloria, that she can go check on another lie in a second, but you know, Glorida keeps interrupting him, and as punishment for Gloria's interrupting, he tells Katya, my bad, another one of the girls, to go get another lie. Katya goes into the room and then she comes back holding another lie in a blanket. Katya's face is pale, and she's incoherent. She's saying things that don't make sense. He's like, what what you look like? You've seen a dead person? And then that's when they all saw that another lie in Katya's arms was no longer alive. Gloria starts freaking out naturally, and then two girls, Maddy herself and then Liliana, one of the other girls, take another lie from Katya. They tried to revive another lie doing CPR. They're like, oh my god, she breathing. They're probably just wishful thinking. One of the girls says, let's take her to the hospital said. He says, no, there's something to do. She's dead. He kicks everyone out of the room. Gloria stays there. He comes out and he's like, what should we do? Like, what are we going to do? This is going to ruin me? Blah blah blah. Marii Bokita's request to pray for the baby, he's like, first blows her off and tells her she's stupid from wanting to pray in the situation, but then allows her to do like a small funeral for the baby there. So they go get candles, come back. They pray with Mary leading the prayer because she was very religious throughout all this, and there were moments where said it would be like, you're fucking stupid for believing in God. And so this was during one of those moments she led this prayer. Gloria was crying loudly. He tells her that the neighbors are going to hear them, so she needs to stop crying. They end the funeral because of Gloria's crying. Her baby just died, Like what do you mean? That's how the funeral ended. Gloriac kept begging for them to have a proper burial place for her baby and said her taught her that he's gonna take care of it. And then he talks to two of the girls. Mattie never says who it is that he talked to who he told. Supposedly he came out and told them, I've instructed them to go properly bury the baby, but really he instructed them to go throw the baby in the river. But they never say who it was who did it. But that's what happens with another lie. According to Mattie, many times when the babies were crying uncontrollably, said He'll order them to muffle the cries with blankets over the baby's face. Oh my god. Many times they would put blankets over babies like that when it was like their nap times, and with another Lai being so young and malnourished, because they were all malnourished, that's probably how she died. Yeah, that makes sense. Obviously she's not going to increaniminate herself in her own podcast, but to me, it just sounds like that is very likely how it happened, just based on like what said he hold it in that moment ordering the girls, Like, yeah, all of that sounds very real. And yeah, in the end, her baby West West thrown in the river, which is terrible, Yeah, terrible. This is just no, Like she doesn't get any any opportunity for like closure in that, you know, to make some type of peace with it. Like he's still as like he's like with therapy, yes, right, Like she could reasonably find a way to like move forward and find a path where she's healed in some way from the trauma entirely, but she's able to cope and manage it, right, play, how do you do that when you don't have any resolution to your child and you're still like yeah, and to this day, there's no recovery of the baby. There was no burial for the baby. There's nowhere she can go on more in this baby physically, right, mm hmm. Such a shame. So yeah, there's a lot of rumors, a lot of speculations about another lie's death. Gloria herself blames Karina Yapo. Some of the other girls blame Katya, who was the one who was sent in to get her. That like said he was yelling for the baby to stop crying, and that like desperately trying to muffle the baby's cry, she accidentally suffocated her. There's different versions. In the end. In her own podcast, Mattei insists like there's not one person to blame for another li's murder, Like it wasn't anyone's fault, it wasn't Katia's fault, it wasn't my fault, it wasn't Gloria's fault. Only one person is to blame, and that person is said Kio said he which yeah, I do. I do agree with that. She goes on to say, like she wasn't to blame, not Kathia Gloria, but the lifestyle they followed under the abuse of said Hio, Really is what's that blame here? I mean, for years Gloria and Marie herself defended, said Hio. Even after his conviction. Uh, yeah, after they were released. He stayed in jail the they were released, and he stayed in Joel a while before even his trial began and he was sentenced, And yeah, even then, there's interviews of them saying things like defending him. Wow, I mean, it takes a long time to like deprogram. Basically, I almost think that this for Marii herself, this was probably one of the first times she's like saying all of this in a different light than she used to. There's also so many infuriating interviews of Setio himself saying like, oh, these girls like I love them and they broke my heart and blah blah blah. Of course, yeah, it's disgusting yuck. So during all this, said jo since Karina yapor back to Mexico, his intention was to send her to calm the media. She was sent back with Marlene. They were supposed to go back to everyone that they weren't being forced to stay with him. They were there of their own volition. Again, Karina is fifteen fourteen, like they were supposed to. Also say that baby is not set heos that she and Marilena were living together in Brazil and that the baby's father was some random Spanish guy. So they landed in Chihuahua on December sixteenth, nineteen ninety nine, and it was a media circus. They were not going to be able to culminate in themselves, there was no way because of all the publicity surrounding their case. Marlene was arrested right away at the moment they landed in Mexico, and then this is when Interpol put out orders for Sehio, Marie, and Gloria to be arrested wherever they were found. Karina was put under legal and medical supervision and she was to stay with her parents. They were supposed to now watch her and like she was not like arrested, but she was not also not Yeah, it's like house arrested. Yeah, her safety. In the beginning, she did try to defend Sadhyo and still like, you know, say the thing she was supposed to say. But as time passed, she began to then say what really happened in all the abuse, Probably just you know, more time away from the abuser and then more time with her family kind of let her finally talk. Yeah, and then on January thirteenth, two thousand, in Brazil, we're back in Brazil. There was a knock in the apartment they were staying at and it was the police and they were looking for Maria Raquel Portio. She's the one who asked the door. They're like, what's your name? She didn't want to say, but then she told them. They were like, all right, this is the one, this is the one we're looking for. And then Godlac quickly said I'm gonna go with her, because again they were so programmed to just go everywhere together. So she went with her, and then Matie asked like, am I under arrest? Am I being arrested? And then like all Carla could say is said he was going to kill us. He's going to be so mad, because again that was their number one worry. Yeah, doesn't exactly do a lot for him in terms of not being in control when the person you know is saying, this person's going to kill us in front of police. So yeah, how can he try and pretend he's not the one in charge of all of them and abusing them objection? Yeah, but they're literally afraid of their lives right now, and you're telling us they're here on their own free will and their own vulish seriously, and so while she was in the car Mari raquanel Portillo, she overheard them say we're in route with her, and they said her name, like we're in route with this person. And then they had said said Juan and Gloria were already in custody, and she's like, what what is happening. So then they all arrived. They were in the same police station now, and so the police told them there was an order for the arrest from Chihuahua dating back to nineteen ninety nine. They were arrested, and then there was also another request for Marilene herself, but who was already arrested in Mexico. So then they had their phone calls and even there said he didn't allow Madi to use her phone call. He used her phone call instead. Wow, just fucking insane, of course he did. Gloria told her to smile for her mugshot, to look dignified, and she gave Maddi some lipstick. So if you've seen their mugshots, they are all smiling. Yeah, disturbing to say the least. Gloria and Maddie were put in jail in Rio de Cando. They were there for one month, and then on February ninth, two thousand, they were moved to a mostly male prison with only few women prisoners. Why do they have those I don't know. I don't know. They're like overcrowning. I have no idea. It sounds very even stranger is that they were then placed next to set hotel and like, why would you put them together? Yeah? Hell, I don't know. Literally cannot be protected in any capacity. Did he like bribe someone for this to make this happen? I will say that apparently he was like loved in prison of course charming. Well, I mean like that's literally how he got where he did, you know, by being charming and stuff. He rizzed on them, as I learned, the kids say they do say that people have riz. Yeah, oh my god, I've never heard that. Really, Karmen, do you need to get on TikTok? I was disgusted the second I heard it. I was like, I don't want to be it doesn't sound good. Yeah, I don't want your ris anywhere near me? You know what? It sounds so much like JITs. That's why exactly exactly. It means charisma. That's where it came from. Charisma disgusting. Yeah, my husband literally told me that, and I was like, don't ever say that to me again. Yeah, I went. I went through this same exact conversation with my husband like three months ago or longer. Now, you don't know what is me? Wow? If I didn't know about it, my husband isn't about it. I'm going to ask him now. Yeah, tell him just be like did you like that? Riz? Did I? Riz? You? And see what he says, and then let us know what he says. Come back on, let us know that. Where is it? He's looking around? So, yeah, they were reunited again in this new jail. While in prison, I'm not going to go into too much he saw about person again. We'd be here ten hours they were there, That's what we know. They were there, got sick with gian Beret syndrome. He looked terrible, but sadly he did not do us the favor of dying. He did not die. No, No, sadly he lived through his gian Berat syndrome. Wish he would have died. More things happened in prison, really the most important thing that didn't happen in prison is at Gloria was pregnant, and she said she was frayed by prison guards. Again, yeah, but said he was next to her. Uh huh, yeah, yeah, next to herself. I don't believe, no, no, I don't believe the prison guard thing at all, and in fact, neither did the prison guards. Every single prison guard in that jail gave their DNA to prove that. Oh my god, now, oh wow, I'm sorry you were not the father, Mari Povich. It was rumored to be said he was baby. To this day, this has never been confirmed, but like, come on, oh my god, Joe, I mean, it was hard for everyone. Apparently Gloria and jail tried to kill herself several times. She wasn't allowed to have anything sharp in her cell. After a couple of years, and I think said he stayed in Brazil another year. I could be wrong, though, just because again it all gets very convoluted. There's a bunch of places, things that say different things in different places. But my understanding, after a couple of years, Gloria and Maddy were extradited to Mexico, and the following year said Hill was extradited to Mexico. Their case couldn't go more forward in Mexico until said Hill was extradited, so they were in jail a little bit longer in Mexico. I think so. Once all of them were in Mexico, Gloria, Marie, and Marlene were exonerated of all charges. Later, when his case went through trial, said he'll received the sentence of seven years and ten months, which is not long enough. Pretty got time served. I didn't, I don't. I don't think so. I think he served the full seven years. No, no, oh no, I read that he they counted the time he had already served and he was only in jail like one more year after being sentenced. Oh Jesus, that's fucking terrible. Oh oh my god, I hate this. Yeah, there's no justice really, no, not at all. And then he was to pay a compensation to Karna Yappo and our parents. So yeah, like you said, Carminy, I guess he didn't serve a long sentence at all. In fact, he's been out for a very long time. He only served very little time. He is, according to what I found in somewhere in Mexico teaching children music. No, shut up, who's letting him around their children and people who think he's gonna make them. It seems just like cycle of stuff like, oh, this is our Kelly all over again. It's worse. It's worse because at least our Kelly's behind bars exactly, that's true. Yeah, it's terrible. And then as far as Gloria, Gloria herself, you know, she's big as she's ever been. Yeah. In twenty and eighteen, she hosted the Latin American Music Awards, and she gave a speech, and I think for the first time she addressed all of this in a new way than she had been for years, because, like I said, for years she continued to blame the victims. But this is like just snippets of her speech. Those who don't know me and thus don't like me, have probably heard millions of stories about me, among them that I was in jail. Yes, it took the Mexican justice sstem four years, eight months, and eight days to realize I was innocent. I was a smoke screen for the deaths in the city of Quatus. By condemning one woman, you can conceal the crimes of others. There are still people who discriminate against me because they are ignorant. This has to end. I'm not saying this for me. I am fine, this has to end for them. So there is not a single woman in the world who, after facing her abuser, has to walk down the street being signaled by some idiot who accuses her of being a partner of her worst nightmare tonight. I expose my life for them because I am them. He was not my creator, and he did not discover me. Because with or without him, I have proven I am Gloria Trevi And I don't know about the Uh why does she bring up the women? Yeah? I was like, I she's saying basically she was used to distract from the problem in Whattace. Yeah, And I'm like, I don't think so. I don't like that. Yeah, I don't. I don't like that. She said. Uh, it's deflection at its finest, is what I'll tell you. Like, I don't think she's truly accepted the accountability she she should be having in the situation to say like, yeah, she can do it without being solely to blame. I think it's because she hasn't done that piece yet that people are so so quick to say, like this was year two like masterminds behind this, creating this like cult of young women together. Yeah, and like she could just distance herself and just say like I was a victim too, Like I this started with me, you know, and I regret my choices that I made or the way I felt like choices I had to make because of the relationship I was in or whatever. Like there's a way to do it without being contrite like this. Yeah. She does say something of that sort later in her speech, but I just don't. Yeah, the wattest thing throws me off because that's really like very unnecessary to me. I don't know, and it kind of trivializes their deaths. It's kind of like I was so important to cover up this whole, like this incredible tragedy like it it kind of does not. Yeah, and it doesn't make sense because I don't really feel like I know, like I was. I mean, obviously we're not in Mexico, so we didn't get the coverage from Mexico, but we got some coverage about it all and about uaet It's and I never, for me from Latin American coverage here in the United States. I never saw like a like they were using Clodia to take away to distract from. I never saw that, like, I never got that. Yeah, that was very strange to me. Yeah, and she in this moment kind of became like a face for me too in Latin America. During this speech, she does address her relationship with Saidjandrade, which is something that she has never done. She says that she was at one time involved romantically, but she was not his partner in crime. When it came to the abuse of other girls. She was only fifteen and then he manipulated her, he beat her, and he abused her for seventeen years. She says she was one of the many who survived his abuse. At the end of her speech, she is met with a roaring applause. But like I said, saido Andrade remains free to this day. Don't teaching music to children where I want to know where I want. I'm just go I'm a book flight right now. Fail her out of jail. I'm going to Mexica to fail her. I don't know how bail in Mexico works, so yeah, I will figure it out for you. Okay, let's hope. Anyway, Although someone hasn't walked up to this man and just fucking shot him. I don't know, I don't understand. This is when I would car the cartel, I'd be like, don't you like, isn't this one of your things? Somebody like this? Yeah? For us, I don't know someone for everyone, for the world. I don't want that. For the children, children and community involved in that way you saw drugs and you know, to this day, Gloria remains well loved for the most part. Many though, hate her more than like said he himself, I feel like it's half and half, like she's either hated or loves like there's no one between. Yeah, because they hate me. That's her, that's her, that's her. Like I was listening just because whenever I'm covering something, I want to listen to like everything that is out there covering this topic. And that is why in my brain there's like thirty hours of content related to all this case in them dying. But I did listen. I'm so are we so we're just melting? Seriously, I listened to the least episode on the case. At the end of it, one guy is like, I don't know, Like she's a victim, Yes, she needs to be accountable a little bit too. But she makes great music. I'm not gonna stop listening to her, is what he says. They're guests for that episode. Then the host and I forget his name because I know I never know who's who. I forget his name too. Yeah, yeah, and I forget his name. And I listened to them like religiously. But the host he's like, fuck her. Whoever listens to her music is like, it's just like her supporting an abuser, not a little much. I don't agree with him. He's like, whoever listens to her music is might as well be an accomplice in her fucking crimes. Fuck her? Oh whoa. They have the audacity I don't like that, the audacity to make her the me too spokesperson in twenty eighteen. She deserves to write and hell and behind the waters. But I'm like, where was this energy for Setian Rada because they are like fuck him. But he at the end of this episode seems more mad about Gloria. Well, Christina, she's a woman, Yeah, and like, while I do believe there's some accountability to be had, agreed her and Maddy did spend time in prison already. Yeah, at the end of the day, there is one person who needs to be held responsible accountable should be dead. WHOA see, we see how we talk. You see what I'm saying. We're just doing the same thing. Now, somebody's gonna listen and be like I was listening to this. But there's no defending, said he. There is a little defending Gloria. This person that should be dead is yes, listen, I don't know Jesus and somebody, please, somebody out there, just listen. And if you're listening, if you're real, what is that word that they use? Might him him so that we can say you've been smoted, you know. And in twenty twenty three, there was a new lawsuit facing Gloria Trevi. You gotta pay up? Yeah, So it was actually filed on twelve thirty one, twenty twenty two. Okay, regular wrong and yeah, a lossuit was filed against Gloria Trevi and serjuandred under a twenty nineteen California law which opened a three year look back window for claims of child sexual abuse that would otherwise be barred by the statute limitations. So this lawsuit was able to be brought against them here in California because the claims of abuse in the lawsuit occurred in the United States in LA and Texas. I think I saw it or remember now the lawsuit brings back a lot of the stuff you already talked about that would arev recruited underage girls to be part of a sex trafficking ring, and the lawsuit accuses said jo Andrede of raping the woman. Then girls. They said choreographer and they didn't name anybody, so I don't know who that is. I almost believe that it's probably Madi. Is it Maddi. If it's not Maddi, then it's Marilene. It's one of the two. Okay, Yeah, they didn't name that person, but yeah, so they named that choreographer and Gloria as his accomplices in the lawsuit. Apparently the lawsuits isn't actually named Gloria or said Hugh by name, but it's clear by how they're described in the lawsuit and then the timeframes that they use in the lawsuits. So the lawsuit says describes Gloria as a famous and popular pop star and one of the most highly compensated female artists in Latin America, and said Hugh as one of the most successful music producers in Mexico between nineteen ninety one and nineteen ninety three. Yeah, like who else would it be addressing? Yeah? Right, And in the lawsuit, plaintiffs identified only as Jane Doe one and two alleged that Gloria Trevi approached them when they were thirteen and fifteen and learned them into joining said Jo's fake music training program school where we now know really what's happening. Yeah, yeah, the lawsuit has a lot more details, but again you already talked about that. One part does describe and go in detail about the tactics that Gloria used to get Jane do One alone with Setiyo. And so the lawsuit alleges that one day in late nineteen ninety one or early nineteen ninety two, Gloria then twenty three visited Jane do One, then sixteen and told her that said Hyo was extremely upset that Jane do One had become friends with one of the musicians in the band and wanted to kick her out of the academy slash fake school. So Gloria told Jane do One, I don't want you to go. You need to go talk to Sekio do whatever. Is necessary whatever he asks of you, because I want you to stay, and Saidhio ended up telling Jane do One that if she wanted to in the group, she had to have sex with him. My god, disgusting. Yeah, and this is the first time that said Hugh. Course Janeo went into sex and he was then thirty six. And then Jane do Too alleges that Glodia invited her to an audition after splanning her outside of a Mexico City radio station, and then for the first part of the audition asked her to sing and dance, but then for the second part told her that she would need to be nude, and Jane Doe too refused, but she was allowed into the fake school. Then months later, when she was already in the in the school, she alleges that Gloria told her she could be said Hell's girlfriend and be the one to make him believe in love again. Yeah. And then she there's further allegations of how Glodia groomed her to perform sexual acts with said Hyo and that said Hugh began sexually assaulting her when she was fourteen years old. Oh, my god. And then it describes everything that you talked about and what they went through. And then I saw in a twenty eighteen interview with El Pais and this was the same magazine. I don't know what it is that I found the information about the lawsuit, but that Gloria Trevi claimed when she was but she said she was a victim of said hughes and that she didn't blame the defendants who accused her. She said, I'm not angry with the girls who said things about me, because I know that they've suffered. I saw them suffer, and I knew that they were under great pressure from the media, their family, and society. And then in January twenty twenty three, after this lawsuit was filed, Gloria Trevi denied the allegations, saying the following, being a victim of physical and sexual abuse is one of the worst things that can happen to a human being. I say it, and I know it because I'm a survivor, and my thoughts go out to anyone who like me, has been, has ever been the victim of any kind of abuse. But will not remain silent while I'm unfairly accused of crimes. I did not commit these false accusations, which were first made against me twenty five years ago, had been tried in various courts, and all instances I have been completely and totally acquitted. She continued. For these old, disproven claims to resurface now is tremendously painful for me and for all my family. The accusations were false when they were made and remain false today. And then I tried looking at more stuff, and the only things I found in late May and early June, well we know that, and news broke that retained trash back Camio Bascus to represent her in this lawsuits. And for those that don't know, she represented Johnny Death. Oh my god, hence the trash And didn't she have another problematic client too? I think so, but I don't remember. I don't all. I know she went like on a media circus after witting and it was just horrible. Yeah. Did you know she made a TikTok dance with Acy Slater? Did she? Oh? My god, I forgot his name? Why making fun of Amber heard the TikTok down? Shut your mouth? Oh wow, I don't like it, my god. Oh Okay, she briefly had Kanye West. That's a client oh god. Yeah, I was like, I knew she had one more problematic client. Listen, everyone deserves representation. Okay, this is the of the United States. Okay, you know you can't be a trash bag with it. Apparently. However, I do believe that she has found herself a nice little niche of like Celerity clients. She's trying to be like the Gloria Allred. Yeah, the other side the others, depending on which side of depends on which side you believe of the I'm not even the depth. She also has a basketball player who's accused of domestic violence and he's suing his wife for defamation, which is literally play by trend started by Johnny Wow, precedence has been created. It's a trash bag. She has found her a little niche there. So I don't think it's a good look that I agree it's that's not that Gloria, but I mean it's not I don't think Glodia is in the same league. I feel like she should have found somebody else because she's not on the same level. Although I almost like have seen comparisons of like she's like Gallenne Maxwell between Gilain. Yeah, I have a little blurb about that. Oh oh well, what's your blurb? So yeah, in late May and early June, she retained what's her name, Camille And then and it was the same team, not just Camille, but the same team that presented Johnny Depp from Camille's firm. And so Glodia's legal team sought to dismiss the complaint on various grounds, including lack of jurisdiction, and then also sought to reveal the names of the Jane does and what is the purpose of seeking that? To defame them, to victim blame and shame them. Yeah, so glodia digal team said the following, This case represents an unjustified attack on a victim of sustained sexual, mental, and physical abuse. Cloria Trevi was one of the many young women who suffered years of cruelty and abuse in the eighties and nineties at the head one of the World's True Monsters. Defendant serj Andrade, a man convicted of rape and other crimes in his native Mexico. Bizarrely, Miss Trevi is the first name defendant, with mister Andra this second. It is regrettable that plaintiffs have chosen to target a woman who suffered the very abuses they allege instead of focusing on the actual abuser at trial, the truth will indicate Gloria Trevi and so yeah, people have compared Glordia to Gallad Maxwell, and in her defense, Camille said, I think that people will be surprised to learn this case could not be more different than the Gilain Maxwell case. The real defining difference to me is that Godet Devi was a minor when she met at Juandred. She was fourteen years old when she started being abused by him. Even though I believe the plaintiffs and some people will want to paint her using the same brush, this is a very different case. You're dealing with the young woman who was abused, kidnapped, sexually assaulted for years as a miner herself and control by this man, as were the other victims, including the plaintiffs, which is fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I do agree. I mean, like, yes, she's not a technically a gizz. I don't know how to say her name, Gilaine. I want to say Gislaine Gilayne. Yeah, so I don't know. I agree with that for sure, Yeah, but you know, and then I couldn't find any more information, Like I couldn't find whether that motion is probably what's it called, it's probably still in pro like still being well, like I mean part of the civil lawsuit piece, and like, in terms of how people who have money abuse the court system is by filing motions non stop so that the plaintiff's funds get trained and then they have no more money to fight. Yeah, so like that's I mean, it's not a great tactic, but it is a tactic that people often employ hoping that the person will go away because they realize, like, oh, we're nearing like a quarter million dollars and I don't have that unless somebody's taking it on pro bono. You know. It's just another way the system's kind of set up to benefit the rich, and that's why we should be eating them. Yeah, exactly exactly. I do think so Gladia wasn't held accountable criminally because she's a victim, right, but I do feel like the civil Yeah, well civil for sure, court is a way for her to be held accountable because she did cause harm. Yes, she was victimized, but she caused harm and further, you know, victimization agree, and the burdom of proof is much smaller. Yeah, right, that too. Yeah. Yeah, we could literally just be like, yeah, a psychiatrist said you did this, and they're like, cool, here's a million dollars, good luck to you. Yeah, Like I personally would have left to see like even settlement from her to the both Jane does like if it doesn't go to trial, m it would be the right thing to do. Yeah, because, like we have all said multiple times, at the end of the day, even though she was victimized herself for years, she was also subjected to the same abuse. She is still responsible for her actions. Yeah, she still brought pain to people. She still brought people to this man, you know. So yeah, like she's not guilty less and she's not more guilty than Seidiu and the Dada himself. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, any final thoughts before we go. It was a lot and I think truly, you know, you got to take care of yourself when you're listening to things like this and stuff and not dwell too much on it, knowing too that like there are people who are trying to do the right thing in the sense of you have the civil lawsuit that will hopefully see its way through the court system in a positive way for the victims who've come forward. But then you also have like listen, social media culture is really powerful in a way, Like you know, I think that there's always going to be something that's going to hold these people accountable even if they can't get justice in a court system, and you know, we just hope that it continues. That's what I hope anyway. I think for me, it's just important to remember that there's a nuance to this and except when it comes to fold them right there, when it comes to Gloria and the victims, there's just full blown like nuance there. We can't. Yeah, like it'd be remiss to be like, oh, she's she's like that guilty, she's the worst. She's a human trafficker. She killed her baby. What you hear? And that's what I remember, like about the media coverage from when this was happening and when we were growing up, like, oh, she killed her baby, Oh she is a rapist, Like that's what I remember hearing. I don't remember, honestly, I remember hearing about her being a victim. I don't remember that not too Like that's shameful because she she was a victim and she suffered like immensely at the hands of this man. And at the hands of this man, she further victimized other young girls, right, and we like, we can't, you know, forget that, we can't put her in the same level. It's like Weinstein whatever I did say that, right Weinstein? Oh my god, harve you Weinstein? Yeah? Yeah, even Gilene Maxwell herself, like, you can't put yeah, yeah, they're not the same Weinstein. There you gonna say sand Oh yeah, well fuck him? Is he dead? Here's the alive? Not yet? Not yet? No, next cross your downfall again? Hell, that's wrong with Reagan and everyone else? Oh my god? Who Henry Kissinger? Oh my god, Oh my god. Anyway, yeah, so this brings to the end of the episode. I hope that everyone not enjoyed, but maybe learned more about the case and was going around back then. Yeah, yeah, and anything to plug before we go for each each of you. I'm too tired. Can you just do it for me? Okay, Well, Carmen wants to plug. Our other podcast, Estodia is Unknown, where we talk about platin American history and sometimes it's very depressing, sometimes it's very uplifting, but it's stuff that you didn't learn about in school that maybe you're like man, I wish I would have learned that. And then our other podcast is Novelo. We recap of our childhood and talked about them, and we also have a fun new segment where we talk about internet chisme and that'll its own podcast soon but not yet. I love that. Look at you coming from my crown of forty podcasts. Thanks Christina. I know because we have we have problems same we have adhds or eighty D and I just wrote Carmen into my yeah, so it makes sense the tracks. Yeah, yeah, winter break is coming up for us in terms of a show on It's Haunted What Now, So we are going to be releasing a few episodes from our friends. Spooky Tales is part of that, Susto as well, and then a couple other shows we're going to be doing that. We take our break on the fifteenth and then from there every week we will be releasing episodes from our friends. So there's that, yes, And then also I'll link Lady's all of all her other podcasts in the descriptions. Just follow my link tree. Yeah. Yeah, everything's there, And thank you so much to both of you for spending almost two hours. Nothing I would rather spend time talking about. Yeah, this was a lot. I'm surprised I didn't get a peak and your spooky recommendation two things, huh, I remember I said, I don't. I should have written it down when I was thinking about it. Did you forget it? I did? But that's okay. Oh, I was going to tell you the Exorcist files. You're the one who recommended it, right or was it MJ? That was me? Yeah? Crazy, that is good. But all verinful like they I mean, they're shaming you if you are into the metathetical whatsoever. They're all like, get ready for the relationship. You just opened up with the devil. Hope you're ready. And I'm like, oh my god, okay, sorry, I said it a bunch of times. So when I recommended it, I was like, it is it's highly religious, like truly, I mean it is. Yes, it's very focused on the religious part of it. And how like Jesus saves everything is your fault, you know, possessed. Yeah, and you're a dummy. So so yeah, I was like that that sounds right, that's it was like my childhood. I love that. Yeah, I like the I mean it was a great recommendation for show, so I would say, yes, wonderful, great love it. But also, you know, trauma bonding us all three Catholics from I don't recovering, Yeah, recovering Catholics. Yeah, I'm in. I'm in remission from Catholicism. No offense to anybody. I don't really care what anybody believes in. That's your thing. Do your thing. Oh man, Yes, but yeah, great, great spooky recommendation. So I appreciate that. You're welcome. Thank you, Carmens. You have an ear No, no, no, yeah, I actually don't either. I have not been watching anything. I've been watching Christmas movies so night remember before Christmas is spooky. I watched that on Halloween. You're on the side of it's a Halloween movie, not a Christmas movie. It's both. Yeah, I agree. I watch it year round because I love it. I watch die Hard on Christmas. I've never seen that. I have never seen that either. Do you hate Bruce Wallis too? Or should I like? Because if he's canceled, he has dementia like he can't be canceled anymore. You okay, I like listen. I never have not heard one about that. Just like leave him. He's probably you know, you can't. Oh my god, No, he's good. I can't never seen it, and I'm not I'm not too big on action movies. Oh I say. I think we're because we're first jen Mexicans and you know, sometimes you miss yeah movies. Yeah, all the big ones that people are like, oh my god, you haven't seen that, and that's one of them. Had ever seen that? Yeah? If I did, it was in Spanish, right, Oh my god. When water World was on UNIVC on for like ever and it's like Kevin Gustner and yes, yes, yeah, it was like that. My brother watched that all the time and I was like, you literally have it in English. So but okay, enjoy the dubbing. Yeah, the dubbing is always bad too, same voices. Okay, well I have kept you bo so no, I'm sorry you're holding me off. She has to pee. You can't say that on this episode and that you're right, sorry, no you said it. It's a great that's cut it, but save it for later. 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