A Haunted Stadium and Murder in Lolol, Chile

Hi, everyone, This is Christina and Carmen. Carmen, I put it down, I did it before. Sorry. I was about to drink a sip of my coffee and then Christina start introducing us, even though we had agreed that we're going to start. Yeah, and you still so. I guess it was my fault. It was your fault. Yeah. Anyway, this is a Spooky Tells, the podcast for all things spooky and sometimes true crime, sometimes both, and that's what we're doing today. It's going to be a depressing episode. Throwing that out out there right now. I'm sorry. Before we get into our depressing topics. I have a listener story and if you want to send in, Yes, if you want to send in your stories for us to read, you can email Spooky Tales at gmail dot com. You can DM us on our socials. You can call the Spooky Hotline, which is what this listener did. That's always fun. You can also attach a void notes and email it. We have a couple that we're going to be listening to over the next few episodes because lately we've been getting more voice stories instead of emails or not emails. But like written out, I love guy, you know I mean too, I love that for us. So are you ready to listen to this one? M all right? One? Two, three? Plays Hey and Spooky. I love listening to you guys. I'm a truck driver and I just be on the road just laughing and getting a little spooked out. And I love how you guys are so real about topics that are going on in the world, like speak that truth, because yeah, everybody needs to hear the shoes. So anyways, I hope it doesn't cut off. But I had when I was little, I used to have, well I still have like really scary dreams, like about demon and the devil, and I'm always falling to God in my dreams, like I don't know what is going on about that. But when I was little, I lived in a story house and I lived upstairs, and I had a dream where it was like a newscast and they were talking about like what was going on and everything, and then they said, in further news, Tracy, there's monstage in your backyard, and I was like, I was so scared. I woke up and I went downstairs and looked in my backyard and I looked at the swings, and the swings were like moving back and forth so fast, and there was no wind or anything, and I got scared. But yeah, that's my story helping scared you a little bit by it did. Oh my god, that was terrifying. The voice scared me. Yeah, the wow, Oh my god. I love her the way she delivered the story and everything she said though what Yeah, no, true, I loved it, but that was creepy scary. The delivery of the message in her dream really scary. I can't I can't do voices like that, so uh voice acting much right, But waking up and then seeing the swings moving, Oh my god. Yeah that's scary. That just like solidifies the nightmare you had is real. Yeah. It reminds me of the last time we recorded and I told you about my friend's experience. That was so scary. I almost screamed, as did I when she told me. And you said that in the episode, you said the scream you scrumped. Yeah. Yeah, they meant every every scrump. Yeah, that was so scary. Thank you so much for sending that in. Again, I love the voice messages because you get to hear people's like short stories yes yea, and their own voices. I love that too. People have the best, like accents, the best like what are it like? Tone? Not tone, but like intonation? Is that a word? That's not a word. I think is the way you're safe thing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's a good yeah, I guess. Yeah that's accent, isn't it? Okay? Oh yeah, and their accent well everything that makes you you. Everyone is perfect and special. Well not perfect, but you know, see, but special. Yes, I just loved it. I loved it me too. Okay, So do you want to start out our their breasting topic today? Yeah? So I'm assuming we're talking about Chile as a whole, not as a whole, but a lot of topics, both the haunting story and that true crime story are from Chile. Yes, okay, so I'm going to be talking about a haunted stadium in Chile and soccer stadiums. You've talked about them on the pod before. I recall it. But also I don't Steca. Oh yeah, yeah, Stariasteca. And I'll never forget that I got attacked on TikTok really I said it was it was my fault, can you say? Because obviously it's America, the soccer team, it's their stadium. And another team borrows the stadium, and I said it was the other team, not Man. Yeah, that I got attacked. You've always been an America hater first of all, though, so I think you did it subconsciously. I think you're right, and as a former and I say former because I'm not into soccer, but if I was, I would be an America fan. And I don't even know how I started to be an America fan because our family, our family is split because everyone everyone except Recipes, our grandfather, yeah, and our cousin Christian, And it was for Atlas and then everyone else loved America because of me. I almost feel like she did it on purpose, that she got all the kids. Oh I didn't. I didn't realize who was the America fan and how that started. I didn't know that and I and I don't even know how that happened, because well, it's only right as her namesake that I am also in America a former America fan. That's true. You guys are both cadmins. You're the only cadmans. So yeah, anyway, that's how that started. And so yeah, I think you're right that I subconsciously left out America on purpose and then yeah, I got a tagged as you deserve. I don't remember. I'm gonna have to re listen because I don't remember that. This must have been a while ago, because I made the story on TikTok to correspond with the release of the episode. But in the episode I said the right, So it's just on TikTok and yeah, one of the least forgiving platform. And man, some of these Mexican men were like, you stupid bitch. Oh too much. No, but of course Mexican men go there, you know. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway, okay, yeah, back to a haunted stadium in Chile. So stadiums soccer stadiums iconic throughout Latin America and even meccas for passionate soccer fans all over the world. Stadiums like Azteca in Mexico City, Maracana and Brazil, and Centennardio and Uruguay have hosted legendary soccer games throughout history that include the first World Cup final in nineteen sixty eight to the more recent twenty fourteen World Cup Final. But some stadiums in Latin America also possess a sinister past, a darker energy for some reason. I want to say, like sinistry, like ministry. Interesting. Yeah, that's not a word, is it? No, it's not okay. One of the most popular stadiums, Elstadio Nacional Julio martinezrads O Catsup, Catch my bro in Santiago, Chile, is said to have that dark energy surrounding it, probably due to the country. It's a dark past for those of you that know about South American history. It's not a surprise why the stadium was completed by nineteen thirty eight, and by nineteen sixty two it had already hosted a World Cup final. There were at least seventy one hundred fans that watched Brazil beat Checkos seventy Is it seventy hundred or seventy thousand? That's why I pause, Should I leave at it or cut it? Seventy hundred thousand? Seventy thousand? I think I write hundred. I thinks that sounds okay. Let me preface this because Carmen and I are terrible at numbers. I believe we have this, this calcolia, this caw cool. I can't say the word. You're right, it's a ten thousand because seventy hundred number. No, it's not. I was like, that sounds so wrong. Anyway, we can't read numbers. We suck a math. But do you see how long I pause was I'm like that sounds wrong. Yeah, no, I know, And that's why I had to burst in and be like, that's not an that's not right right, As everyone knows, I am math illiterate, which is what Lena said. We have the dyslexia of maths. Yeah, it's a real thing. I promise, I'm sure, I believe you. And it co exists with ADHD many many times. And uh, this explains why we were seniors in algebra where we're the only seniors in algebra after going through pre algebra ONEBRA two up to like eight or some shit. Yeah. Anyway, point is you said the number wrong? Okay? Yeah. There were at least seventy thousand fans that watched Brazil be Czechoslovakia three to one, but by nineteen seventy three, the stadium's glory days were in its past. A military coup did away with Chile's first elected socialist president, Yes and in the process turned the stadium into a political prisoner camp. When US backed military dictator Agusto Pino. She came into power, he began to round up Chileans who supported or worked for the previous socialist government. And we're not going to get much into that, but if you're interested in topics like that, then you can check out our other podcasts Estoia's Unknown and where we talk about Latin American history and it often involves dictatorships koops where socially or democratically elected officials are overthrown with the help of the US. Yeah. Yeah, US involvement in Latin America causing massacre, decade of horrific conditions. Yes, yes, yes, And if you're into that, and if that's your jam, then check out estodia is Unknown, where we will cover it as much as much as we can. Yeah. Yeah, So those who survived witnessed atrocities inside the stadium's walls. Records say about forty one prisoners were murdered in the stadium while was the prison camp for eight weeks, but there's no official record saying how many prisoners were held at the stadium. The American Red Cross estimates that over eleven thousand Chileans went through the prison camp at some point. Sorry, I had to hold back a laugh because I was gonna say eleven hundred again, oh god, oh god, but I didn't. I said it right, good job, good job, thank you. Little Sammy and my two year old he would say good job. And I highly appreciate that. I put my shoes on and he told me good job. I love that. I want to go up there and do something right, just so he tells me good job. He will, and he will. Some survivors have told news outlets that they were beaten, blindfolded, electrocuted, and given cigarette burns. Felippe Aguero spoke with New York Times reporter David Walstein in twenty fifteen. He told The Times that he remembered being held underground at gunpoint and being told to remain silent. F FI officials inspected the stadium after the Soviet Union refused to play a qualifying match against chilean the stadium because of reports that the stadium was a place of blood. He said, we wanted to yell out and say hey, we're here, look at us. But they seemed only interested in the condition of the grass. Did they know people were down there? No? Right, they like suspected, okay, but but there was no and it's it's not like Chilean officials were going to let them go look either, So but I get it, like exactly, Yeah, and they had the backing of the US. Yeah, and then him and the rest of the prisoners hearing people and like trying to call out for the attention, the helplessness and terror they must have felt. Truly, it's it's horrifying, I meanan. Some of the worst worse human violations, human rights violations occurred in Chile during this time, yeah, which you went a little bit into it when we talked about adoptions in Chile, yeah, and ours known episode, but not fully into it because man, it's it's terrible. Yeah, but yeah, all of the disappeared also led to a bunch of children being left without parents, which also fostered a you know, corruption in the adoption industry, which we talk about in that episode. So, survivors also witnessed several prisoners get killed by firing squads journalists. Aloud fo Coo Sie, the journalist told the documentary he witnessed a man being tied up, hung and beaten like a punching bag and eventually noticed that the man was dead when he no longer heard him screaming terrible. Yeah. In nineteen eighty seven, during the final years of the Pinochet regime, Pope John Paul the Second celebrated mass at the stadium and, against popular advice, called the stadium a place of pain and suffering. The Pinochet dictatorship ended in nineteen ninety and since then the stadium has been restored to an entertainment venue where it's public, where the public can go see soccer match and concerts. But the stadium's dark path still haunts it Today. It's known as Anestadio de la morte, the stadium of death, and it's not surprising their ghost stories about it. There's a section of seats in the stadiums that are never filled. They're left empty as a memorial to those who were detained during the Pinochet regime. The words unbl memorial is unueblos in futuro. A people without memory is a people without feature. And that's a sentiment or phrase so common and often said over and over again all over Latin America because of the you know, horrible dictatorships perpetrated or propped up by the United States. Yes, yes, yes, one hundred percent and it's the reason that other governments in power right now are trying to forget about the past, to tell everyone to move on, because if you don't know the past, and you don't know the atrocities that have occurred in the past, then you're not worried about what's happening now because you don't have anything to compare it to. Right. Yeah, we as we often talk about ober at about yes, and I don't know if you've been on the if you mentioned our strong hatred of bule In is booky toes? I don't think so. So hopefully there's no booklet stands listening. I hope not, because if you I mean, if you know the passive and if you are, I hope that you see the light. Yeah, no, really, really really go check out our three part series over at Known so that you know what we're talking about. Because this quote in the stadium in Chile, it it resonates because it's true and it's it can the said kid, oh my god, sorry, I can't talk. The same can be said here so many s words in one sentence. And there's a reason why people don't want us to learn about the real history of the United States and why they label the real history of the United States as anti American. Yeah, which is ridiculous, aunty, But anyway, that's a that's it, that's its a known topic. We're so full of reds today. I'm so sorry. We're gonna get a bunch of one star reviews. But I'm okay. Back to the ghost story. Yes, back to the ghost story. But everything is political now, I mean, yeah, even ghost stories. But you've talked about this plenty of times. But it's true. We have talked about how many, many, many ghost stories, legends, myths we know today stem from atrocities in the past. Colonialism, yes, yeah, yeah, colonialism, Okay, never getting off that horse. No we're not. Some employees who work after hours say they've seen large shadows. Wonder. Sorry, god, cannot read today, Oh my god, No I can read, I just can't talk. You're right, I just kept pronoun brain. It's like your brain is saying it right, but out of your mouth everything's wrong. So disconnect between my mouth and my brain. There really is there, always has been, because we have adhd Okay. Some employees who work after hours say they see large shadows, wonder, wander, wander, wander There you go, they seen lunch shadows and wander the stadium's quarters. Sorry, I keep laughing because earlier I couldn't pronounce the word corridors, and I still said it all right down. No, we were practicing the corridors. Good job, Sammy would say, good job. Or they've seen ghosts appear and disappear from the stadium's walls. You know, I didn't learn how to pronounce words right in my master's program. Now. Sorry, school never taught me how to pronounce anything. They didn't tell me how to say wander. No, But you know there's some words that sorry in other rants. You know how there's some words that you read and you've read them for your whole life. Oh yeah, you never heard anyone say them, and so then when you say it out loud, someone's like, what the fuck did you just say? Yeah, that happens along anyway, go on. Sorry. Locals passing by the stadium also claim that they've heard screams coming from inside the stadium long after the venue has emptied out. Some just get an eerie feeling looking at the preserved wooden seating area behind the north goal that was left there to memorialize the lives that were lost at the stadium and the pain that many suffered within the stadium's walls. Whilsting, the New York Times reporter said the following about the preserved wooden area in the stadium, it is really a ghostly place. When there's a game there and Chili's playing, and it's packed, and everybody's screaming and yelling, and they're all excited, and the lights are on and all the focuses, you know, bright lights on the field, and then you look over there behind one of the goals. It's a very small section and it's lit up in this kind of yellow light, and it's just a very somber, haunting image. And Christina found this story about the stadium on the Chilasabread in Spanish. It was posted two years ago by user Yaali Damn. I don't have any good stories, but here's something. When I was about eleven years old, I was with my cousin older than me about three or four years at the stadium, and at that time I wasn't clear about everything that had happened there. I always only saw the empty chairs in the stands, but we were wandering around the a hall inside the stadium, a place that was almost always dark, and there was really almost no one at the level of the court. We entered a narrow hallway with doors on the side and one at the end. My cousin went to the last door on the side. I was behind him, I'd remember why. But he grabbed the handle of that door in an attempt to try to open it without forcing it or anything, and obviously it didn't open. He left his hand on the handle. I just watched him, and suddenly this guy started running. He was terrified. I managed to grab his shirt so I wouldn't be left there alone, since I didn't run that fast. Smart that was me, not the sorry. After we after we got quite far away, he told me that he had felt someone turn the handle from the other side and he got scared. I don't have a way to check if he was screening me or if he really felt that, but until today he insisted it was real. Well, considering his reaction, I'm sure it was real. Yeah, yeah, And like sure it could have really been someone on the other side, But just the whole the way everything happened, how it was quiet, they were like almost no one is here, then yeah, it would have been. I would have been scared, regardless of it being a ghost or really a person trying to turn the doorknob with a chatitor or something. Yeah. Yeah, it would have scared either way. Yeah yeah, all right, Carmen, Well, thanks for your story. We're gonna take a quick ad break and then we'll be back for my other depressing story, also from Chile. Welcome to our Hunted break. 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If you cannot support us monetarily, then you are not missing now on anything in the best support that you can give us. It's just listening to our episodes here. So thank you for doing that and we're back. Okay. So yeah, as if a story about dictatorship and human rights to be dictator, yeah, isn't the president enough. On top of that, I found a depressing true crime story from Chile. Great, yeah, fantastic. So this takes place in Lololo, Chile, and it's not really a town. It's more of a commune. It's like a small pueblo if that. It's a population of less than six thousand people. It is in the gold Chagua Province of Chile, about two and a half hours south of Santiago, the capital of Chile. I'm the only town I'm familiar with or the only city I'm familiar with in Chile. No, I know, like a few more, but if I looked at a map, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's Santiago. Yeah. So it was a peaceful area known for its historical sites like the cathedral in the center of Lolol, and it remained peaceful, at least until the summer of twenty twelve, when one man brought an unknown terror to the small town, and that man was Oscar Lopez Rodriguez. So. Oscar Lopez Rodriguez was born on the first of November in nineteen seventy two. His parents were Oscar del Garmin Lopez Reya and Oswaldina de las Rosas Rodriguez s pin Nosa. Oh my god, I love her names. Right. There's not much about his childhood out there that is known, but as an adult, neighbors said that he was violent and lonely. At twenty, he married Sandra Andre Poblet Gaiete. I just love all these long names. Oh so I love her name. Yes, yeah, I love saying them. They had a son in nineteen ninety two, and then they divorced in twenty eleven. And just like some things that people said about him in the news after everything took place. He was he had an unkempt look, a beard, long hair. He dressed as anime characters. You know how Latinos will love to hate on anime, they do. They anyone who likes anime automatically possessed by the demon. Yeah, by that demon, I was gonna say devil, and I said demon instead. All I heard some of his neighbors believed he was part of a Satanic sect of course. Yeah, but he also called himself a messenger of God. Well, you know, Lucifer was an angel first true true. They also called him a hippie. And hippie is how they referred to him. Okay, probably the long hair, unkempt look. Yeah, because of the long hair, beard and his use of mote. I'm just kidding. Oh yeah, a lot of a lot of marijuana use. Yes. So in nineteen ninety seven, he he left his family and moved to Los Bordos, which is another small town. It's in the same region as Lolol, just a few miles away. Then he moved again to Los Roblez, which is right next to Lolol, like six kilometers away. There he was part of what they called an ecological community with fifteen members. So cold, Okay, I'll let you go on anyway. It was Christian based, okay, cool, for sure. They made everything there, they carewer, everything was self sustaining, so yeah, one could label it as a cult. No one knows why. But he was kicked out of his commune in two thousand and nine, and this is when he moved to Las Palmas, which is another small town. But it's all these towns have different names, but they're like they bleed into each other almost. So this one was like three kilometers from Lolol, from the center of Lolol, so really it was like he was in Lolol. Yeah, so he moved around a lot when he was there. Eventually he moved to a house that was in front of the Loloo Firefighters Bureau. And in this house he opened an antique shop. And really he would go around town on his bike collecting things that he could restore, and sometimes they were antiques. And he was actually known for riding around his bike with his dog Valentine standing on the bike. Wow, there's pictures of this. It's actually quite adorable. If you didn't know he was cute, but who this was yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, here people had like a different description of him than the other places. They found him to be a modest, hardworking man. He rescued repaired antiques. A lot of rich people on tourists made up a lot of his customer base, but it was really also like a small scrap yard. There was some valuable antiques, but also just random things people might need, and so it was. It was weird because some people said he was like modest, hardworking, but he was also known to have a bad temper, and people just they thought he was weird but not dangerous. Yeah, why did that make sense? Because a lot of times we'd think of like murderers and whatever as solely bad people, but that sound was never really the case, you know, like there's no true evil people. Everyone exists like in multitudes, you know what I mean. Yeah, you're so right. He was known to walk around saying things that made no sense, and a lot of these things sounded violent. He would say, I'm got to cut his head off and wear it to the cemetery, you know, just okay, these little phrases. He also carried stories around with him, and neighbors would see him wielding the swords like he was in a fight, like in a sword fight, but like nobody was in front of him. Well obviously he got that from anime, but okay not Yeah, he was watching a routou and no, was he running like that too? Yes? Probably, I don't know. We all know when I'm talking about, you know, the weird kid from school who put his arms behind him but straight and then ran head forward. I love that you so to describe it. I mean, we all know what the room was like. Yes he probably did, I'm not sure. But he did carry swords with him and would fight invisible enemies and they were an extension of his arms. Okay, go on, I can't Okay, So he for these things he did and said he became the town's lokito. They called him a lokito, which yeah, it's offensive. Yeah, this is what they do in Latin America, like our dad. There was a person they called it lokito too in Santado where he lived. And yeah, everyone has. I think a person who maybe has some mental health issues, doesn't have anywhere to live, lives on the streets and you know this person and you're like, yeah, they're a little not there, but they're not violent like everyone knows who they are. Certainly we saw a share of them, you know, by our dad's shop in Oakland, right, So that's what people knew him as. Like he was eloquito. But he wasn't dangerous. He was he was just who he was, harmless but weird, and he had a useful store that people went to. He also said his dog Valentine was gonna save the world and was chosen by God. I mean that could be true, that could be true. Yeah, uh yeah. People just you know, they didn't think he was saitrous, like I said. So, even though most of Oscar's clients were tourists or rich people, Lolo residents still went to his shop for random things because he had a lot of things in his shop, right, And one of these residents was Juandre Nera. Juan was born in Lolone in nineteen fifty six. He lived there his entire life. He worked as a farmer. Everyone called theo. He was loved or when he was respected. He was a good, hard working man. So on July tenth, twenty twelve, Juandrene told his wife he was going to go over to Oscar's shop. He needed an iron rod and he also wanted this old table that Oscar had there, so he went, but he failed to return by dinner time, and so his wife was super worried. She called and called and he was an answering so she spent the night looking for him. Still there was no sign of him anywhere. In the morning, she tried calling him again. This time his phone was silenced after two rings, so someone had his phone. Yeah, So she went to the Lololo police department. She filed a missus person's report on the next day, the eleventh of July, and several people had seen him talking to Oscar. They knew that's where he was headed to his shop and that's where he was last seen. But for some unknown reason, police sat on this information didn't do anything. On the eleventh in the morning when Juanna's wife reported him missing, they like, didn't go over to his shop. Nothing. So then on the twelve someone else visited Oscott's shop. Her name was Maria Josere yes more more m O O R E more. Anyway, she was a pe teacher from Vita Kura, a town in the Santiago Metropoli. I can never say this word. Metropolitan, metropolitan, thank you, yes, yeah, you're right, Metropolitan region. I just needed to hear it once. Her friends and family called her as a nickname, and she was loved by everyone too. Her students says she was a special teacher. She like really cared about them. She did everything she could for her students. She did leave teaching in two thousand and seven to be with her kids more. But then she started part time for Colegio El Golf in her hometown and she started a program called La Academia and this program was dedicated to help high school students with special educational needs join the workforce, so really wholesome work. Clearly, she was an amazing person. Yeah. On July twelve, twenty twelve, she was traveling with her fifteen year old daughter and nineteen year old son. They were headed to Fundo Grelena, which is another small Puelo pass lo lol. They were heading that way for the summer break. They had family there and the rest of her family, so her husband and her other children were behind them in another car. They were also doing remodeling in their home and they decided to stop at Oscar's shop just to look at what he had. Maybe he had something they needed for the remodeling, right, so her son stayed in the van. He was like parking while they pulled into one four five los Letkes Street. This is where Oscart's shop was. He stayed behind the van parking. Maria and her daughter headed inside. Less than five minutes later, for no reason at all, without any provocation at all, Oscard pulled Maria Josa's hair and stabbed her. Maria's daughter ran outside of the shop to her brother, screaming for him to help. He ran to the shop and they both saw us Oscot continued to stab their mother. Oh my god. They ran out of the shop yelling, oh, they're killing her mom. And then it was the streets were crowded because it was the summertime, so there was a policeman walking nearby, and they found him right away. He ran back with them. He was Sergeant Felippe Gonzalez. He followed them to the shop and when they got there they were met with a horrifying, horrifying scene. It was Oscard. He was holding Mariajosa's head like a trophy. Oh my god, oh god, horrific. Turns out, while they ran for help, Oscar had dragged Madiat to a She was already extremely injured she was weak from multiple stab wounds, so he dragged her, sat her against the tree trunk and cut her head off with the nax, all this while they were looking for help. So Sergeant Philippe ordered Oscott to like stop. He fired twice into the air as a warning, but Oscard grabbed the axe and he charged at the sergeant, and so the sergeant felt like he had no choice but to fire at Oscard, killing him. Wow. And when Juandrey and his wife saw this all over the news, because it like it stopped the whole country. This was like a big deal, I'm sure, so it was being reported everywhere. She called the police again to remind them that her missing husband was last seen at Oscot's shop. So then finally the Laboratorio Crimini criminalistica caros A mouthful, Yeah, the Cariveneros is what police are called over there, I guess. Interesting. So carivin Nero's laboratory of Criminology inspected the crime scene and they found Juan Wow at Oscar's shop. There was also a suspicion that he Oscar had been kicked out of his commune because he had killed a man named Manuel Fuen Salida Pina, who had disappeared and was last seen talking with Oscar. Also, I didn't write this down for some reason. But on Juan d there was no They never found out why he was killed. There was no reason. But they suspect that maybe when Maria had gotten there, maybe she saw Juan or something, because he was shallowly buried when they found him, so they suspect that maybe she saw him said something and that's what provoked her attack. But still it's not They have no idea why Kuan was killed. That he was just found there as well. After the investigation, psychologists deemed Oscar as having had a psychotic break and that he could possibly have been schizophrenic, but there was no way to be sure. There was also rumors that the killings were part of some black magic ritual, or that Oscar had performed the murders as sacrifice for his former commune, which doesn't make sense. No, those two don't make sense. Honestly. The psychotic break makes sense, yeah, especially having known his history and his violent past, his lonely past. Yeah. And yeah, if he was in the middle of a psychotic break, he truly didn't know what he was doing. But especially because like people saw him fighting invisible forces in front of him with his swords, you know. Yeah, so it just I think to me it was like obviouslybviously super tragic, but also kind of like begs the question if he maybe had they knew that he needed like help and medication, Yeah, this might have not happened. But because people don't know what these things look like, and they're just called people exhibiting these type of symptoms are just yeah, they're just called oh, he's just like that, or yeah, you know, oh that's just how he is. And I mean we see it so often and even our own families. Yeah, and then once something horrific happens people with these diagnoses, they guest stigmatized even more. Like the unfortunate thing is that like some things like this happen sometimes, and the murderers happened to have possibly happened to have like mental health untreated mental health illnesses, and then yeah, they are stigmatized. And then there's an image out there of people with mental illnesses that they're violent and unpredictable. But the reality is that people with severe mental illnesses are more likely to be victims of violent crime than they are to be violent, true, but no one knows that or that's not the popular belief, because stories like this do happen, and you know, it's often sensationalized, yes, because it is horrific and it's you know, sad obviously for the victims and their families, but it creates a stigma for people with severe mental illnesses. You know that this image that they're violent, and you know that's not really real true. I'm glad you brought that up. And then after the investigation and all that, there was funerals for both Maria jo and Maria Joserees's funeral was held in her hometown of Ittakura, and there was a thousand people there. Just goes to show how many people loved her. Juan there was hundreds and hundreds of Lolol residents who also attended his funeral. Yeah, both victims were loved, and these murders, they shook the small town of Lolo forever. And there was the reports of Oscar's dog Valentine, crying and howling for many nights. Oh, oh, that's so sad at the house, probably waiting for him. Yeah, yeah, that did make me very sad. And yeah, that was the tragic, tragic, murders of Maria Creez and Juan But yeah, wow, just that Now that was a ride for sure. It was. It was, it really was. And just the details that were like reported on the news you can still find in the articles on when this happened, and just like they were like so focused on the anime, how he dressed as anime care and yeah, just I found that I found that interesting. Mm hmmm. So anyway, this brings us to the end of the episode. Do you have anything to plug before we go? Carmen, Sure, sure, sure, We already mentioned the studias unknown. If you're into Latin American history, then check out that podcast. And then we also have Novelo, a podcast where we rewatched our childhood we recap the episodes and talk shit about them. And we also have a new segment on that podcast that will eventually become its own podcast currently online, Concavesito, where we talk about I don't know, funny internet things, viral TikTok videos and I don't have TikTok. See it tells me all about them and that leads themselves to like other topics. Yeah, it's a lot of fun, just talking shit, you know, fun. I enjoy it. Yeah, so if you if you like Internet chease me and the two of us, you should check that out. Yeah, And we will be sending out our book club discussion questions for silver Nitrates tomorrow. I'll send them out. And so we send them out, we give it a week for people to like answer so we can include your book your discussions in the episode. So we'll be recording that after I send those out, so that you have time listeners that did read the book with us to yeah, to answer the questions if you remember anything about it, yeah, because we really took a long long time with this. Yeah. So yeah, and do you have any spooky recommendations? And no, I've been watching Married at First Sight. They have season fourteen now on Netflix, so I was watching that and I haven't watched anything spooky. Yeah. Me, I haven't done anything spooky either, watch seeing, listen to nothing. I've been rewatching Bones. I don't know what my problem is. I'm like, this is like all I want to do. You've been rewatching what I've been rewatching Bones Story watching Bones. Yeah. Yeah, ever since I saw it, I haven't even been listening to any podcasts. Well, you know, I obviously have been listening to the usuals spooky to thank you, and then the guests are what do you call them feature episodes? I don't know, hunted what now susto? Yeah, and I also have been listening to Moras Mantita's and I really liked the episode where they had Edwin on there. Oh yeah, shout out. That was a good episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was really good. So I guess that will be my spooky spooky recommendation. Yeah. I have been listening to them too, so yeah, I guess yeah, you're right. But no, I've been effessively watching Bones. Just nothing like new that you haven't like, never mentioned, Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I just got to like the season where Polant comes in, and I have to say that that that story I dragged. I don't even remember that. So you remember Polant? Wow? Was he one of the serial killers? Yeah? But he was like, well like super suit, way too smart and powerful. Onto Bones, Oh my god. And TV shows serieshals are always depict their lucky superhuman geniuses and the reality is that they're not. They're just lucky. They're just white and lucky. Yeah yeah, oh man, but yeah, that's what I've been that's what I'm or I'm at on Bones right now in case anyone was wondering, because last time I had just passed the Gorma Goon episode. So uh yeah, I hope. I think this is like a hyperfixation, and that's why I like, I haven't been doing like literally anything but watching Bones on my free time. That was me with Supernatural a little while ago, but then I started watching Married at First Sight. Okay, but that's done now, so I'll probably go back to Supernatural. Yeah, I am like, I need to stop, but I need to, like, I want to listen and watch the other things, but I find myself just putting Bones on again. I've been reading Gone Girl. I know I'm like years behind. Oh yeah, you mentioned that last episode, but I oh I did, Okay, I don't remember. And I also haven't seen the movie. So after I'm done with the book, I'm looking forward to watching the movie and seeing exactly who played who. I only know Ben Affleck and uh oh what's her name? Rosamund Pike are the main Oh okay, yeah yeah, But apart from that, I have Wilson's in it or heard the book. Yeah, I just know of it. I just got my my borrow from Libby from the library became available. It's Freedom is a Constant Struggle by Angela Ye Davis. Oh yeah yeah. And then also another one they called me a Liones. It's the story of Oh I've heard of that book. Yeah, I forgot her name, had head to me me. Yeah. They were on hold for like two months because I'm sure many people were trying to borrow them, which is actually fantastic to see so many people trying to read about Palestine. So yeah, I'm almost done with Freedom is the Constant. It's a fast it's a fast listen six hours. The other one's eight hours. So yeah, I'm looking forward to reading those. But yeah, nothing spooky still yeah yeah, yeah, uh huh so yeah, I guess now this is the official end of the episode, and I have nothing whitty to say at the end of this episode. Just it was too depressing. Yeah, stay spooky, I don't know, Yeah, stay a spooky and go have some ice cream or something. I don't know. We'll catch everyone next time. Bye. Spooky Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ, produced and edited by Christina. Everything is written and researched by Christina MJ and with the help of Don shout out Don. Thank you so much for your help. If you love what you hear, consider living us a five star review. If you don't, then do not leave us anything please. If you want short spooky stories, follow us on TikTok at spooky Tails. You can also find some of the same videos posted on Instagram and that is at spooky Tails. Everything is linked in the show notes. 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