Encounters with El Charro Negro and the 2019 El Paso Walmart Shooting

Hi everyone, This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of a Spooky Tales, a podcast for all things spooky, paranormal, scary, and true crime. Sometimes not all the time, sometimes true crime. Sometimes yeahs no maservices, there was Sando. Today, Carmen has some stories about Elchado and I ove already shared the legend of Ilchadro, but that was just the legend. Now we have sightings, people that saw him, actually saw him. Yeah. And then I have a very depressing topic. It was requested though it was on my list of things to do when I was emotionally ready, and then I was like, I'm never going to be emotionally ready. So here we are. I will be covering the twenty nineteen El Paso shooting. I can't believe that was twenty nineteen. That feels like so long ago. I mean, I guess it was. No, it feels like so long ago. But at the same time that ago, Yeah, I get that. Yeah. And then for those that, like you know, hate political commentary, it is literally impossible to mention this case and not bring up politics because of what it inspired the person that did this horrible thing. I mean, the reality is that everything is political. Every single one of our choices, whether we realize it or not, is political. So it is what it is. Yeah, it is, and so it's going to happen when we're discussing this case. And also I am gonna cry. Okay, yeah, yeah. And then before all that, we have a listener story. If you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email spookyitos at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of the socials discord. That's another one. You can call the Spooky hotline. You know what, next time I'm going to grabble one from the Spooky hot line. Yeah, next time, not today, it's too late, right, there's a few in there, Yes, so you can call that number. It's in the show notes. There's a lot of ways to get us these stories, and we will read every single one of them. We love receiving them. And okay, I think we're ready. So this listener story comes from Teresa. It was the end of the school year and the sixth grade classes go on a camping trip for a weekend. I didn't go, and neither did three of my classmates. We instead got to spend the friday in the fifth grade class with minimal supervision. We were just sitting in the back doing whatever my friend will call her. Chrissy suggested we make our own spirit board and attempt to conjure up a spirit in class. Okay, yeah, but to be fair with the last day, you know what I mean, don't care care, She says. She played with a makeshift Wuiji board with her siblings and they spoke allegedly to Georgia Washington, not George Washington. I thought that was silly, but I was okay with trying to talk to a ghost. Chrissy gave instructions to our peers, we'll call them Pam and Jim. She told Pam she would be the one to write the letters down I guess to decipher what the board says, and that Jim and I were to have a finger on the makeshift plan sheet, which ended up being a quarter, and she would be conducting the stands. Chrissy scribbled a mixshift spirit board on a notebook paper. Following Chrissy's instructions, Jim and I put a finger on the quarter, moved it around the paper in a circle before bringing it into the middle, and asked if anyone was there now, maybe because our plan sheet was a quarter and geomagnetic fields, but I felt like there was a bubble between my finger and the quarter. It moves a little, but we got no response. Only Christy was disappointed with that. Then she told us to ask for a spirit by name. Pam. Jim and myself couldn't think of any dead people we wanted to talk to. Maybe it's the only like, so, what is it New Girl where she's no bones? Sorry, there's an episode of Bones where Zoe Deschanel comes on and she's a cousin of Bones and in the episode, people keep saying how they look like and they must be sisters and they're like, no, we're just like very distant cousins. Oh my, Zoe Dechanelle's character is obsessed with Benjamin Franklin, really, and that's what this has given me, that Chrissy is obsessed with George Washington in the way that Zoey Deschanel was obsessed with Benjamin Franklin in the episode. Okay, Christy suggested George Washington, and so we tried again and asked if George Washington was there. The quarter moved to know. Pam didn't want to continue to find out who or what moved the quarter and that it's okay to stop. I feel you, I feel you. That would be me too. Yeah, Jim and I said goodbye, and Chrissy threw away our makeshifts very board. We spent the rest of the day quietly doing nothing until the dismissal bell rank. I have another story from the sixth grade, but I have to type it out on my notes. People sharing well yesterday, I will be waiting for your other story from the sixth grade. We will be. I wonder who was there if it wasn't George Washington. Well, they didn't stick around to find out. And that's the end of their horror movie. And I support that. I do. You know, sometimes you just you just got to stop before it turns into horror movies, and stop while you're ahead, as your fifth grade teacher would often tell you, because you were annoying, Yes, and I was. And I don't blame her now. Back then, I did, I think you get it? Yeah, I get it now. I was. Yeah, I was the worst. I do want to say, do you remember our sixth grade? No, it was in sixth grade? Well we did go camping sixth grade. No, fifth grade we went when we were in the Lordessuerta. Yes, and then we had another campaign tent again in eighth grade at Lighthouse and two camping trips, fun good times. I remember being scared by the forest, but obviously I didn't see ada, but people were saying things like oh. They kept saying at night like I better remember specifics to you. No, probably that there was like a lady crying outside. I remember one girl was like having these night terrors. I don't remember her name anymore, but she I was in the bunk above her, and of course because I was in the book of fifth grade of her. Yeah, we were intent in eighth grade. And the other one we were in Kevin's. Yeah, I vaguely remember that too. Yeah, And she was like crying, poor girl, No, don't get and I took it through with like water at her. You did, I'm pretty sure because I was like stop, I'm trying to stop. She wasn't waking up, and everybody was like shaking home, like what do we do? And I was like move over, like you guys, this is taking too long. And I just like threw water at her and then she stamped out of it. Look at you and your leadership skills. Back then they really kicked in, They really did, so I wouldn't recommend it. No, you know, it feels kind of mean. You did what you could with the information you had. Back then, you didn't know it wasn't okay to throw water at people. Okay, so let's move on with that dumb ass ship being said. Well, let's take a quick outbreak here. I were back, okay, so onto some chattel. I feel like it said that not double R you know how our family laughs at me. No, No, it was right, although they do. Yeah, they make fun of Carmen because sometimes she says battles and so little. I mean, obviously I feel like I could say in normal now. No, it's just like trauetized from that time framework. You know, I didn't need to say double rs at all. Ever, so everything was gott instead of cattro. And yeah, it was just an embarrassing time for me. You can do it now, Yes, the concord remains anyway. So yeah, like Christina said, we did share the legend of Enchado Negro before, and I guess just briefly. The legend is that there was a man who came from a humble family, but he always you know, had the taste. Yeah, he he wanted more than he was like, no, his family could provide, what did she say? So that was this man and his parents you know, would give him whatever he wanted, but he wanted more and more and more, just like that, exactly exactly, so you know, he got tired of being like you said, he hated it. Yeah, things took a dark turn when the parents passed away, and then you know there's nobody to give him money anymore. And really his problems would have been solved if he had just found like a shuga mama, but instead he found the devil and Diablos or Starry. He also could have worked. No that's not an option. That wasn't an option for him. No, no, not at all, right, and I support that. So then he summoned the devil for help. And the devil, you know how he does, he promised him money, lavishness. Well, he loves deals. Yeah. If there's one thing the devil loves, it's to make deals. Yeah, and of course this is always usually you know, in turn for your soul. So that's what a chattel did. He was like, yeah, my soul worth it's worth it, and I don't care about that. Who cares about that? So he agreed, and you know, he had all the the luxuries he could have. But then he actually had a change in heart and he found out that money, money doesn't buy happiness, and he became bored with his wealth. As he got older, you know, he regretted this. He came to have buyer's remorse, buyer's remorse, and he thought he could outsmart the devil, so he grabbed his you know, fastest horse and went into hiding. But the devil, being the devil, annoying everything, you know, you can't get ahead of him. Sometimes you can, though in some of the stories, but in Shuttle he couldn't. So the Devil's sense what was going on within Chattle's second thoughts, and before the deal was set to be over, just decided to take a soul, you know, before and Shuttle could outsmart him. Then in Chattle's flesh disappeared, his eyes turned into balls of fire, and he became a skeleton. The horse who had nothing to do with it. It wasn't his fault. He also was condemned, that poor horse. Yeah, so anyway, then the devil made another deal within chattle, and he gave him a bag of gold coins and promised and Chattle that if he went after others who were in debt to him and got them to accept the bag of coins, then he would release a chattle and the spirit of the horse, and then he would take the spirit of somebody else. Someone would take his place, right right, the chatte agreed and that's the story. Okay, But apparently no one has agreed because he's still out here trying to collect. But what if it's someone else in his place, Like he's still dressed the same in everything, but it's not the original chattle with someone else. Oh you see, I thought it was the original chattle this whole time because he was dressed the same. But what if it's like the cloth doesn't change, but the okay, you know what I mean, like that guy. See I think we don't know? Then, yeah, we don't know, because in one of the stories they do accept the money. Yeah, okay. So sightings, yeah tell us. One reported sighting comes out of La Colonia the Sunny Caesar, and was covered by the Mexican TV show Mexico and Lasse. According to the show, locals in the area believe that Chatto Negro appears by the Bidul tree in town every Friday at midnight. One report states that forty years ago a man claimed to have seen in Shadow at night, and according to the report, and Chado offered to give the man money, and no one knows if the man accepted the offer or not, but loc will say that after the sighting the man lost his mind. Oh no, yeah, maybe he did. Maybe. The show also interviewed a historian named Maria Jose Perez Martinez, who told the show that another man had also claimed to have seen in Chado Negro. According to the historian, the man said that in Chado Negro appeared to the man and told him where he would be able to find barrels full of gold. No one knows if the man took and Chattle's offer, but the historian said that the man became an alcoholic soon after the reported sighting and moved out of town, and to this day, no one knows if the man is solve or where he went. Oh yis. Another popular sighting happened in twenty twenty one when the YouTube blogger moon Wrap Blogs investigated a cemetery in Mexico. The bloggers claim that they caught footage of Chattle Negro a few times during the investigation, in one instance around the twelve minute mark, and the video I guess will be linked. We have the link. I'll send this schoogle talk to you. You have it clip in here too, okay cool? So yeah. Around the twelve minute mark, viewers are able to see what looks like a shadow of a man on a horse reflecting off the tombstones. The group of investigators then freak the funk out and they can be seen running away from the figure well screaming that they just saw Chatterle Negro. Let's watch this. Mom is momi is get pay away? Yeah? Noment Oh, I see something, moms get pay away. I love ghost signings from Mexicola because they're always so fun. I mean, like, it could feel about someone walking by on the horse or whatever, but what are the odds of it, I know what the result? Yeah, exactly, so funny. So I know, I know things can be stashed and could literally just be someone they got to walk but that's still funny and they could be reacting to it. But it's a good video. It's a good video. I like it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I like how they put Charro Negro and then parenthese almas he wants to take her souls. Yeah, and we'll put this in here so people can see it watching. Okay, So this next one comes from YouTube channel called La from an anonymous listener. So the story goes like this. In the early nineteen seventies, in a cantina in a town called Label in Getro, one rainy night, close to the last call, a man came in to the cantina. Someone coming in at the very last minute, and it being a man is not really like yeah, yeah, you know, it's gonna be something bad. It's either gonna be the devil, a free demon, or someone that's gonna rob you. Like there's yeah, yeah, there's no one between one of the three. Nothing else. Yeah. One of the girls told the man that they were about to close, but the man kept walking in. The man was wearing black snakeskin boots which were too clean considering the rain pouring down outside, and he had on vacctto clothing all black except the buttons, which were gold. Honestly, sounds cute. I don't know, I don't know. It sounds like a good outfit. Like, if I were going to go to a rodeo, this is what I would want to wear. Yeah, the man was completely dry despite the weather. Big yikes. His presence commanded both fear and respect. Of course, the girl once again told him it was closing time, and he said, I heard you the first time with the fuck no, And then he asked how much they make in one night, and the girls weren't sure, so then they went to get the boss. Is the girl boss, I might add. The boss welcomed him and then she's like, I'm sorry, but we're about to close, and the man's like, yeah, it's about time y'all close and for everyone else to leave, but I'll pay you very favorably to serve me. Tola madda late at night. The crocodile, crakodan, crock Sorry, it sounds like you were gonna say crook or spooky cock. No, okay, where was I? Okay? Yeah, So he told them to kick everyone else out and he'll pay them very favorably if they just save him till you know, the crack of dawn, not the cock of don you're right, not that anything but that, And he showed them his gold coins. So the boss, and the girls agreed. One of the girls would later say that the man asked for the most expensive drinks and paid each of the girls three times the costs in gold coins for each drink, and he paid them the same amount each time they danced for him. His only condition was for the girls to put the coins in the battle or clay pots. And we're all for oh yes, to be split evenly among the eleven girls and la at the end of the night. Okay, socialism okay, equal equality okay, fair pay, fair and equal pay. They air compensation okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah yeah, yeahwey yeahweh. So yeah, they all agreed and the man okay. So the video, first they said that the girls dance with him, but then also said and you know in Spanish, when they when they say SeMet connalian, it means you hooked up with them. Yeah, so it's unclear to me whether it was a hookup or just a dance, but anyway, both maybe both, I'm imagining. Yeah. So yeah, the man danced and hooked up with three of the girls. All three would later die by suicide within the next couple of days. Oh my god, Yeah, that took a wild turn home that I was not expecting that. Yeah. So then the man was like making talk small talk, asking, you know, for locals in the area, and he knew he seemed to know people in the area, but he was also asking questions that didn't make sense. But I didn't get an description of this questions. So okay, don't ask me, that's all it said. All right. Then, around three point thirty am, the pots were full of gold coins and one of the girls noticed La Patrona was very quiet, so she asked her what was wrong, and La Patrona said, how do you think he's doing this? He can't carry all of these coins in his pockets. Plus, no matter how much he drinks, he's not drunk, and he hasn't even gone to the bathroom once since he's been here. She said, I fear that this may be a ruse. I fear this might be the devil. So the girl became very afraid, and she realized no one had even brought the oes out from the kitchen. They were just there. Where did they come from? Yeah, so told the girl she believed they were partying with the devil himself. I would have been thrown us out. Yeah, y of course. Yes. So then the man noticed them, you know, whispering back there, and he beckoned to them, He's like, what are you all whispering about over there? The parties over here? Y'all in Lasquina? Yeah, And so he kept giving all of that money, you know, buying drinks whatever, until about five am, when he finally said, well, it's time for me to head out, and he's like, I liked being here very much. That's so scary. That's probably the scariest thing he said. He's like, this is my favorite cantina. And then he said that he'll be back for the girls and take them somewhere very special to help. Yeah. I think those questions that didn't make sense that he was asking were probably questions like how much is your soul worth? Do you like hot temperatures? Where do you want to spend eternity? How do you feel about eternal damnation? And that's why they didn't make sense, right, he was asking this as they're doing lapdowns. It's like these are the all life writing. Wow, this is weird, Like, wow, is he asking this? Well? I don't mind the heat? Well, if you're going to pay me this much, I do not mind eternal damnation. So yeah, he said he would be back for them and he would take them somewhere very special. And then suddenly the doors opened and there stood a huge horse with fire in his eyes and smoke that appeared to come out of his nostrils. The man stood and as he walked out, he told the girls, remember, I'm coming back for you your mind now ew ew Yeah, very creepy the girls. And notice that the man's legs appeared to grow to the point where it was effortless for him to get onto this huge horse. No, and then they galloped away at an impossible speed and left into the darkness. Lena then told the girls like, maybe he should spend the night year because it's so late and in the morning will split the money up. So everyone woke up around one pm. But the girls I had danced with him, the girls I hooked up with him, they felt uneasy all night and they weren't able to sleep. They just wanted to get their share of the money and leave. But when the girls looked into the pots, they found no gold coins. All they're hard work. I can't believe this. He was actually not into fair wages, and you know fair labor. This is this is whige theft. Yeah, and what else you expect from saying it? Not only will you take your soul, but he also stole your money. Wow wow, after he promised you huge amounts of money and then he's gonna be like, I really like this place and he's like, I'll be back for y'all, I'll be back. Yeah, oh my god. So they got they got eight ternal damnation. Three of them died and they got no money, right right, And this is not a good deal, No, not at all. All they found in the pots was horseshit on taught. That is such a fucking insult. They literally literal miar that, what the hell? Why would you leave that until the very end? I know? And the smell of sulfur yeah wow wow. So no, the girl started praying, crying and screaming. The scream they screaming, throwing up, oh my niece, begging that balmore. Yeah, oh my god. And La Patrona again was like that was the devil and the bar closed its doors forever. They never opened again after that night. And yeah, like I said before, three of the girls they died by suicide. Wow. Yeah, this is worse in the dance with the devil. It is right because that girl she actually just danced with him. But these girls were like dancing for him and then they hooked up with him, and then they got shit in the pot and also they died. Man, this is terrible. Wow, if this is not a cautionary, cautionary tale, just like slapping you in the face. Yeah, it's so many warnings here. Obviously, the line of work that they're in is there. It's being like thought about negatively in the story, right, not by me in the story, in the story. But also you know the fact they wanted more money. They weren't okay with their normal poor wages. They needed more money. This strange man came offering them that money, and then you know, they did offensive with this man. This is all a warning like, don't expect more, right, But I I wish that it would have been better for them, because I was honestly on their side. You know what if their souls had been taken, but they got to live their full lives and they got the money. I don't see a problem with them. I don't same. But they didn't even get that, you know what I mean. So I'm not they got fucked literally literally got fucked like that in all in all ways, yeah possible. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like seeing my girls lose, you know, no, not at all. Yeah. That was That was scary and a horrible ending. Okay, So I think this brings us to the end of the paranormal stories, right, Yes, that's okay. Well, we're gonna take a quick ad break here and then we'll be back with my depressing case stright. Welcome to you our Hunted break. 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The best support that you can give us is just listening to our episodes here, so thank you for doing that. Okay, we're back. Before we get to my depressent case, I just wanted to point out that I'm still very tired from Denver. He's still not recovered. I finally went for a run. Oh good. Okay, And well, let me just say I didn't go to work today because I don't, you know, I don't feel like I don't need to be there, Not on my anniversary. That's no such a day. Happy anniversary. Thank you. Of course we did have therapy today, which is cool. When we made the appointment, the therapist was like, wow, therapy on your anniversary. We're like, yeah, that's commitment, that's what she said, oh my god, well yeah, she was right, she was. And then we went to eat at this delicious, delicious place that actually I want y'all to come to go to for us to go when you us me. What's called ol Bistro. Okay, amazing, pretty bysick name. So I'm surprised that good delicious Cokain, that's good. What kind of food is it's is cute. It's like a Mexican and regular really yeah okay, oh like a combo, like an American Yeah, like a Mexican American combo. Yes, yeah, that's cool. Okay, okay, yeah, we'll definitely go there. And we went there at your therapy and it's like impossible to go on Saturdays, which is why I've only gone when I take days off during the week and it was not packed. Then no, that's good, and I'm a little more refresh point being I'm a little more refreshed. Still a little tired, though, Okay, yeah, I send an alarm. Okay, I've been going to better like a eight thirty or nine since we've been back from our trip, and I sent an alarm every day since I'm going to sleep so early, I'm like, well, I can wake up at like six six thirty. That's enough sleep. It's like eight and a half hours I've been the first two days. I think I woke up around nine, and somehow my children are slept in two. Oh perfect. I don't know what was meant to be. Yeah, today I'm like, all right, I'm going to wake up at six thirty no matter what, I'm going to go to the gym. Then I think I got a brown seven thirty. I did not go to the gym. I put on my like sweater. That means I'm not leaving the house. It's this sweater. This is my like okay, and I am recording with it. Yeah, this is my I'm gonna be. I have been working, okay, tomorrow's my actual like shifting my day job. Yeah, not looking forward to it, but but yeah, I'm still dying. I hope to be back to normal next week. I hope that you are. Yeah. And because I'm already feeling like shit, I'm like, well, I might as well talk about this very depressing case, right. Yeah. Also because it was requested, so let's get started, Okay, let's get into it. On August third, twenty nineteen, a white man entered a busy Walmart in at Baso, Texas, and opened fire. To this day, it is described as the Delias attack on Latinos Latinas in modern America. We're covering the El Paso Walmart shooting. Like I said, it was requested by a lot of people after we did the Post club shooting. I mean, it's a crime that specifically, delibly targeted Mexicans. Yeah, that was this person's goal. I mean it was a hate crime. Yeah. Yeah, I remember watching the news when it all went down. It was just yeah, it was such a dark, dark time. Yeah. And yeah, like I said, it's a heavy case. So you know, listening with caution or don't listen skip this part. You know, we've already covered the spooky part, so you can come back to the end. So I'll put time stamps. There are always a little thrown off because of ads, but I'll do my best. So as many of you probably already know, Paso is alongside the US Mexico border. It's pretty much connected to see the Aguadis Like you can take a bridge and they're like two miles away from each other. It's completely normal for people to go back and forth from both cities every day for different things, work, shopping, eating, school, a bunch of different reasons. Malpaso also happens to be eighty one percent Latino Hispanic from the statistic I found from like twenty twenty two or something like that. And again, super normal for people to go back and forth between the two cities. So because it was, you know, August, it was almost back to school season, the sales were probably going on. The walmart on seven to one zero one Gateway West Boulevard in Alpasso was extremely busy. It's estimated that there was like three thousand people inside, and it's also a shopping center. I never think about how many people at once fit inside in a grocery store or department store like that. Right, some of these walmarts were gigantics. So yeah, So at ten thirty seven am, the gunman walked to the back of his car. He pulled out a semi automatic rifle from his trunk and opened fire in the parking lot. He killed a woman who was pushing a shopping cart and then fired at others. And I think a lot of people know, but you know, usually people that are fundraising for different things will set up outside of these shopping centers to sell things, so there was a group of kids and parents fundraising for the Elpaso Fusion Girls soccer team outside. The gunman fired at them. Three people died from in this instance, and six people were injured in the parking lot. The Walmart store manager saw the gunman in the parking lot and ran inside and called Code Brown. This means that there was an active shooter on site. Employees began to help customers escape or hide. Many hit under tables or tried to flee to the nearby stores like the nearby Sam's Club, or they hid in shipping containers behind the Walmart. At ten thirty nine am, the gunman entered the store through the west side. As he walked in, he killed an elderly man who was trying to escape. He fired into the checkout area, killing several more. Then he walked into the first convenience bank that was inside the store, where he fired more people. The gunman walked through the store, leaving a path of injured and dead. He walked out of the wal Mart at ten forty two am. The gunman then walked to the parking lot, fire more rounds on the way to his car. A man and his wife. Well, a man died and his wife was injured in this instance of him, you know, shooting in the parking lot. Then the gunman got into his car. Emergency services arrived pretty fast within the first six minutes of the nine to one one call. The first nine one one call, the El Paso Police Department, Texas Rangers, FBI, and paramedics were all unseen. Somehow the gunman was able to drive away, but he didn't get very far. I'm not sure how far this intersection Sunmount and Viscount are from the walmart, but that's where he stopped at the left turn lane and he exited his vehicle and he just went up to a Texas ranger and said he was the shooter, and he was immediately apprehended arrested. In total, there were twenty three dead and twenty six injured, majority Mexican or Mexican American. And again I'm not going to say the gunman's name, like fuck him. You know. The twenty three that died that day, they were Jordan and Andre Anchrodo, twenty five and twenty four. So young, yeah, so young. They were going back to school, shopping for their five year old daughter. She was not with them, but they had their two month old baby, boy, Paul, and he was with them. The only reason the baby lived is because Jordan shielded the baby. Then Andre shielded both of them, and they had fallen on top of the baby and an unknown person. It was unknown for a like a week or two. He went in as the gunshots were still going on and he got the baby from underneath them. That is why the baby lived. And then this man went back in and was still treating people. Wow. So Andre had recently started a business of his own, like a concrete type business, and the pair had just celebrated their first wedding anniversary. Oh my god, a friend told People, and all this is from People magazine. They did like a whole article just with everyone's statements, and like, well, I'm just gonna relose. That's perfect. So a friend told People magazine that they were so kind and you could tell they truly loved each other. And I just, I don't know, I feel so sad for obviously the whole family and friends, but their children. It's just it's wild that you can just be out here doing the thing that you do and then this happens. David Johnson, sixty three, died trying to shield his wife and nine year old granddaughter from the gunfire. His niece Mariamada said about him that he was a loving father, husband, uncle, and grandpa. When he was found, he was surrounded by three gun shows and it could have been one for each one of them, but because he protected them, his wife and granddaughter lived. They wouldn't have made it if it wasn't for him giving up his life for them have yet. Ami Rodriguez was fifteen. He would have been a sophomore in high school that fall, and he absolutely loved soccer and video games, and what fifteen year old doesn't. That's like the life, that's all you do at that age. His uncle tried to protect him by getting in the way the gunfire, but he was shot in the foot in the process and he was unable to shield him. My God, Angie Anglesby eighty six, had been on the phone just moments before the shooting began. She was telling her son on the phone that she missed him because he had gone on vacation and that they were going to see each other soon, so it was okay. She was on the phone with their son when everything went down. Wow, just that's so horrifying to be on the other end of that and just not not know what is happening. And she went shopping at this Walmart every single Saturday morning. Wow. Her granddaughter, Catherine stead of the following about her. My grandmother was a strong woman. She raised all of her seven children by herself, working multiple jobs to support them. She was a woman of faith and the most independent, strong, caring women I've ever known. Arthuro Bernavidez, sixty was an Army veteran and a retired bus driver for the city. He had lived in Apaso his whole life with his wife, Patricia, and even though they never had their own biological children, they fostered many always made sure to check on them every single child they fostered. They still had a relationship with Wow, and they absolutely loved their many nieces and nephews. His grand niece Jacqueline, said that Ardua was extremely caring, loving and strong willed. He loved hearing from all of them and knowing that they were okay. And he also loved being around people and he would talk to anyone and he would especially love telling his army stories. He just sounds lovely Elsam and Dosa Marquez was a mother of two from Suda Kwadres. She was visiting family in Apasso when she stopped at the Walmart to make a quick purchase, like she was even pining on stopping there. Yeah. Her husband wrote the following about her on Facebook. I bid farewell to my companion, the most marvelous of women, a person full of light who will continue illuminating our way for the rest of our lives. We are going to miss you, love. That was very sad to read. Michaels. I got reading this at night time, like because I couldn't sleep her, just like clients on my pill I'm like, why might I do? Missed myself. Leonardo Campos was forty one. He lived in a baso with his wife, Mary Bell Loyam. She also died in the shooting. He grew up in San Juan, Texas, and his brother said about him, he always started to make people forget about their bad days. And then a childhood friend of both of theirs said, I can't believe they became a statistic. They were doing back to school shopping for their grandchildren terrible, and their dog was at the groomer and The only reason the far away for their away family realized that they were they had lost their lives or they were murdered in the shooting is because a dog roomor is called asking like this dog has not been picked up. And then so the brother of Madi Ben drove to the parking lot and came and then that's when he came across all the emergency vehicles that it was blocked off. Wow, what a what horrible to find out. Yeah. Yeah. Kuan Velaskiz was seventy seven and he was with his wife, Nico Lassa when the Suni began. They had just parked their car when the government approached. Nicolasa was shot in the face, but she survived the attack and Juan Velaskiz died on the scene. Apparently, Nico Lassa had called her granddaughter Daisy right after they had been shot, and she was telling them call an ambulance. They're not coming fast enough. Oh my god. Gloria Iva Marquez was at the bank inside Walmart when the Suni began, and her husband had called out to her because he was there too, to move away because they had he had seen the guy walk into the store, but she didn't get a chance to wow. Maria Henya Legaretta Roth. She was a Chiwawa, Mexico resident. She had been an Apasso to pick up her teenage daughter from the airport, but she had just stopped at the airport to grab a few things before heading there to pick up her daughter. She stopped at Walmart. Sorry, what did I say, the airport? Oh my god? Sorry, yeah, so she stopped at Walmart before going to the airport to pick up her daughter. So again, she was just there for a quick stop. There was a post on Facebook from the Migrant Ministry of Chihuaua and they said about her, just as just as you have always been in solidarity with migrants, today our entire team embraces you with the same solidarity. Sarda Esther Regalado and Adolfo Serros Ernandez were both from Suarez, Mexico, and they were just, you know, shopping like every I mean, like so many people were, Yeah, just going about the day. Their daughter, Sandra wrote about them, I don't know how long it will take for my soul to heal. Your deaths leave us with a great vacuum. I'm so grateful I was your daughter. Rest in peace, my beloved parents, and their granddaughter wrote as well that they certainly didn't deserve this, and yeah, no one. I mean, of course, it's just no one does. Yeah, it's such a violent, horrible way to go. Yeah. Margie Record was sixty seven. She was shopping and about her her husband of twenty two years. Oh my god, such a long time. Yeah, Tony. He told news for in San Antonio that he knows she's looking down and smiling at them, and that she was the best wife. And I mean there was no one else like her, like in the world. Evan Philiberto Manzano was forty one. He was ac Da quad Is native and he was known as a hard worker, exceptionally devoted to his wife and his two children. One of his co workers said that he was the best father and he was just always working hard. From them, he said, it didn't matter what the hour was, he was in the office or in the field, taking care of his projects to provide for his family. Jorge Calvillio Garcia was sixty one. He was visiting al Paso to see his son Louise and granddaughter Emily. They were outside raising money. They were part of the soccer team, and he shielded the girls and his nephew, and that's how he died. It's just terrible, it really is. Maria Flores seventy seven and Dragune Flores eighty three were They were from southern California, but they had retired in al Paso and they had been together for sixty years. Wow, that's a whole lifetime. Yeah. They were purchasing ara beds for a family that was visiting. That's why they were at Walmart, their son. You know. He told news reporters that when he first saw what was happening, he was so desperate to reach them, but they weren't asking their phones and that's when he realized, like, oh, they must be dead. I can't imagine the desperation. Yeah, the worst thing you can go through. Alexandra Hoffmann was sixty six. He was born in Germany, but he had lived in squares for more than forty years because he apparently loved Mexico. Wow. He considered himself a Mexican and Mexico yeah, and Mexico was his second home. That's where he met his wife, that's where they raised their children. That's where he lived and he would occasionally go into a passo for again, like everyone else every day thing. Just I read them and I'm like, that's he he was. He was throwing the godness that he wasn't just invited, he was throwing the host. Yeah. Theresa Sanchez eighty two. She was a retired biology teacher and she had been living in an Apasso for thirty years. I think she I believe she's the oldest that was killed that day. Was she eighty two? Wow? Dillermo Memo Garcia, he actually died nine months after the shooting. He was shot that day, but he went to the hospital. He had countless surgeries and he unfortunately the whole nine months after is when he passed away. Wow. He was helping sell lemonade with his wife and for their kids soccer team. And yeah, that's everyone that passed away or that was killed that day as and I remember that. As information started coming out, that's when we learned more about the gunman and that this was specifically done to target Mexicans. The gunman drove from his hometown of Allen, Texas to El Paso. How far are they This was six hundred and fifty miles. Wow, that's, like I want to say, over an eight hour drive. And so I mean he had time to stop, turn back around and not do it right. That is plenty of time. Yeah, but that was like his full intentions from the beginning. Yeah. He wrote a manifesto that he titled The Inconvenient Truth. This was posted on eight chan, which is worse than four chan. Oh my god, taken down. Yeah, like hoppy, you get worse, Yeah, and you can. In this manifesto, the gunman cited the far right conspiracy theory that's just a bunch of like, I mean, it's a bunch of fake ass shit, Like it's not none of it is true. But they call it the Great the great replacement, right, do you want to like to find that really quick? If anyone doesn't know what it is. I mean, this is just off the top of my head, but I believe it's like when people think that, well, when white people think that they're being replaced by minorities, quote minorities, people of color. I mean outside of that, I don't know that there's more to it. Yeah, and then they're going to be outnumbered and like writing polls and all that. Yeah. And again it's like this completely ridiculous, hateful, not true thing. So he cited or he used language about immigrants in the same way that then President Donald Trump referred to Mexicans. He you know, was calling citing a Hispanic invasion, not to mention all the like other trash that you know, Trump has said about Mexicans, like oh, they're not sending their best, They're sending rapists and thieves and criminals, and like he's out here literally saying the same shit right now. Yeah. But also on top of all that, most asylum seekers are South American, Central and South American these days, they're not even Mexican. Yeah, again, that doesn't matter to these people. We're all Mexican and we're all like, you know, garbage according to them, including being born here. Like they do not set you aside from the group of like dirty Mexican immigrants, like you are in the same group, Which is why I think Trump is the dumbest shit in the world. Yeah, it is, because like, first of all, they don't want your ass either. They weren't throw your ass out of the country if they could too. Literally they've said it. It doesn't farewell to side with them because they don't want you. No, they think you're dirty, just like the rest of us. So you might as well not. Yeah, it's like you're writing so hard for a person that would that literally called for people to harm you. Yeah, because I think there was like even a lawsuit that someone filed against Trump for saying like, oh, you know, beat these people up, I'll pay for your lawyer pees or whatever. Like he has said this, and people were out here saying, no, he never like called for the harm of Mexicans. And it's like, but it's like language has power, and language like that hateful, dehumanizing language, it does harm people, like look at what happens here exactly. And the gunman in his manifesto said that his beliefs pre date Trump and that Trump should not be blamed for the attack. Why is he writing that, Yeah, even after sorry, this gunman was not killed, right, just apprehended, apprehended. I mean, I imagine he went into this with intentions, you know, to carry it on until the end, like you know, I mean, I don't know, but even after you know, his guilt and being caught, like his concern is, oh, it's not Trump's fault, Like how is somebody so deranged? Yeah, but also to be pointing out like, oh, by the way, this is how I've always saw like this. Literally, this to me reads as like maybe I've done this before, but like Trump being president, gave me permission. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He also stated in his manifesto that he wanted the shooting to serve as an incentive for Hispanics to leave the United States. He literally wrote, this attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators Hispanic invasion of its ridiculous people that are like Hispanic have been there before Texas was even you know, part of the United States. Yeah, he said, they are the indigenous people that of course, you know what I mean, like just ridiculous. Yeah, I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement being brought on by the invasion. This is not your country. This is never your country. First of all. No, no, it wasn't, and it wasn't Mexico's either. It's it's indigenous land. Like, yeah, shut the fuck up. That's even that. Like I don't know all of us. There's just he was just so wrong on so many Yeah, just hateful and wrong. Yeah. In February twenty twenty, the government was charged with ninety federal charges, including twenty two counts of committing a hate crime resulting in death, twenty two counts of use of firearm to commit murder, twenty three counts of a hate crime involving an attempt to kill, and more. He first entered a place. If not guilty, they tried to say, not guilty by reason of insanity. No, No, you don't write a whole manifesto, drive a whole six hundred plus miles. Yeah, And I remember when this first happened, they were like, oh, he was like mentally ill, and like, I'm I'm mentally ill, you know, I see me. I do believe that something has to be wrong with you in order to be able to do things like that. But that's not the you know, it's it's not an excuse, it's not you know, the sole reason. Ever, Like I feel like the main thing is usually has to do with the hate. Yeah, and that's that's what it was here. Yeah. Yeah. They kept like putting out, oh, his because the apparently the gunman's father was like a counselor, no, like a psychiatrist, psychologist, I don't really them. Yeah, and they kept like, oh, how could he miss the science of mental illness? That would like lead to this, but this was the hateful radicalization, right, Yeah, that's what this was. Like. Yeah, so yeah, his first uptemp out of please was not guilty, and the trial was held up because of COVID because this was twenty nineteen, right. So finally, on February eighth, twenty twenty three, he pleaded guilty to ninety federal murder and hate crime charges. He was sentenced to ninety consecutive life sentences on July seventh, twenty twenty three. And I'm pretty sure that at first, like the death penalty was on the table, but then it was withdrawn. But it is Texas, Like, yeah, of course it wasn't on the table, right, And after the shooting, the community of Apaso really you know, came together. There was fundraisers, but also protests when Trump visited Apaso, because this is kind of your fault because the yeah, the blatant because I mean, as we all know, racism has always been a part of this country. Isn't grained in this country. This country was created, you know, through racism, so it's nothing new, of course, but the blatant discussing like racist words that Trump felt fine and people accepted saying it justified in people's you know, minds, it justified their own racism and their own hatred, and it became like more acceptable in their eyes to be outright blatantly racist to people, and so like words and behavior like that, it drives this kind of violence. And like, I mean, after it first happened, they were trying to like say, oh, he's not to be blamed for this, but like, look at how he can campaign the things he was saying specifically about Mexican people. Yeah, why was this person targeting specifically Mexicans? Right, it's yeah, and it's literally happening right now. Yep, there's people holding up signs that say mass deportations. Now, just just ridiculous. He literally just went on some other like I don't know, speech or something now moving I mean, now, I guess finally accepting that there's more than just Mexicans, because he also said, like a Salvador, there are no criminals for us. Yeah, we're being recognized finally, right representation question mark? Yeah, right, but yeah, this basically just happened. It has not been that many years, and he's out here repeating the same rhetoric that this person fully embraced. Yeah. Yeah, it just it's you know, my god, I can't talk infuriating. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Let me go back to the response. I guess. So there was fundraising concerts by locals, just like a big move to help everyone. But also the prison I mentioned earlier that had saved the baby Paul and went back in to save countless of people. He was found too. His name is lasro Ponse. Wow. He grew up here in this area all his life and he's been going back and forth from Aguadis and I'll pass a living in both from childhood. But he was homeless, unhoused at the time of this. Him and his wife had set up a tent next to the Sam's Club that was next to the walmart. Wow, and when he heard gunshots he ran inside and like saved people. Wow. Just unbelievable. Yeah. Every time, you know, we talk about things like this, I'm just amazed at the humanity and bravery you know of regular ordinary people, you know, living their regular, ordinary lives and being forced to you know, survive and being forced to protect their loved ones exactly. And that's what matters here. That's what's important, not what the shitty president is going to say not when he's going to show up to make face, because that's what he did. His ass was like golfing when it all happened. It took him days to get to El Paso. People refuse to meet him or meet with him, and I don't blame them. I don't. I wouldn't have either neither neither, Like, how can you show up to this place where people brown people, brown Mexican people have lost their lives because of the shit that comes out of your disgusting fucking mouths, like and hateful, hateful people are inspired by you and your ugly ass. You know, and killed people, commit harm to people, and then they have you have the gall to show your discussing face in that city. Yeah. Yeah, if I would have gone, I would have thrown hands and then I would have been arrested. Things I would have done that I cannot say, but yeah, So I do want to read statements from family members during the gunman's trial. So, like I mentioned earlier, Andre and Jordan Antoto, they were both killed that day. Andre's sister Deborah, read a letter on behalf of baby Paul, who was two months old when the shooting happened, and she wrote that he misses his father and like it's just this was also when necessary. Yeah. Andre's brother, Tito, he said that after his brother was killed, their father was full of heartache and he was a patriarch of the family and he just you know, found it so hard to move on. He has since died since the shooting, and he did tell the family that he had forgiven the shooter for killing his youngest son. He said, I forgive him, but I won't forgive the devil inside him. Marie bell So Marie bell Randezloya and her husband, Leonardo Campos, were both killed in the shooting. Her son told the gunman in his statement, he's tried so bad to forget what he's done. I hope God can one day forgive you. I really hope you think about what you've done. Alfredo, Marie Bella, Naz's brother said that he was filled with sadnes is because he can't celebrate holidays with his sister and brother in law, and that his sense of security is gone now. Every time he goes out in the public, he's on the lookout for psychos like the gunman, and then he told him, I hate that you're alive, eating and sleeping. I wish you all the suddenness in the world. David Johnson. So his relatives also spoke. They his daughter, Stephanie Melendez, said that or told him or she had, I guess all these other things planned to say, but when the moment came, she was like, I can't even find the words. I just want to tell you that in your active hatred, you took a good man. Her own daughter was with her grandparents. They died protecting her, and she survived the shooting. She's never been the same obviously, I mean, how could you. Yeah, she said, you showed her evil, you showed her monsters do exist outside of storybooks. I want you to remember my daughter's crimes. I want them to haunt you. And her daughter also spoke. The survivor. She said, I shall not ever forgive you. And then Raymond and the son in law or sorry brother in law. He said, I don't know what kind of people raise you to be this kind of person. Shame on your parents. And then he also said, oh, Kathleen Johnson, she survives. She's David Johnson's wife. She said that she's had countless hours of counseling to deal with PTSD. She doesn't know if she'll ever be the same, if that's even possible, and that she has to remind herself every day that she's safe from the gunman. That there are days she cannot get out of bed. And then she also said that even though she took her husband's life, she can't take the memories and joy from when he lived. And then Alexander Hoffman's family, the honorary Mexican who lived in Mexico all his life. His son said, you're an evil parasite to the gunman, and that he destroyed her family. That his father and mother had been together for more than forty years and that they were a small but happy family, and he killed his father in such a hourly way, and that he was also ignorant for not knowing that immigrants bring jobs and spend money. And he told them that he hopes every night he thinks about the people he shot, and that he can't fall asleep. He said, you're a coward and a mistake of society. Wow. His daughter Elise went out to say that he loved watching James Bond and Star Trek movies and that he died not knowing that his grandson took in his footsteps and got or pursued an engineering degree after high school, and that the killer robbed them all of an opportunity to grow to live, you know, with their father. Berta Patricia Benavides, the wife of Arturo Benavidez, the army veteran city bus driver who loves to talk about his time in the army. She said that they had been together for thirty four years and that he left her all by herself because they didn't have kids. I know, I'm like, and that she'll never get it. She has fallen into depression. She misses her husband every single day. And she told him, I have one question, why did you do it? And she then she so answers her own question. She said, because you don't know the Lord. You've never gotten close to the Lord. I mean, because he's a hateful person. Yeah. Christopher Morales, the grandson of Sanchez, the eighty two year old who was killed that day, and he said he had just gotten a ticket to visit because he lives in Las Vegas and he was supposed to go visit, and he was on he was the one on the phone with her, and so he told the gunman that he still gets to eat three meals a day and talk to his family. And when the gunman got like like nodded as he was saying this, then he got like super mad at him, and he told him, you get to suck dick in prison, you get to be a little bitch. Damn. I just love that because I'm like, I wish that's like I can't even imagine being disclosed as someone who did this and like not being able to just like deck him in the face. Yeah. Yeah, And I get it. I mean I get it, you can't just go out here punching people, but like I can't just can't imagine seeing this person like not and you're like, are you are you serious right now? Yeah? It just to me because apparently the gunman smirked and nodding his head. I mean, yeah, I can't imagine the rage that you must feel at that. And so, like, you know, whatever comes out comes out. I will say that I've never been a fan of that thing that people say. Of course, even of I don't know, like, no matter how discussing you know someone is innocent. People do go to prison, people that come in non violent crimes go to prison, and so that joke, you know, quote joke of oh may get raped in prison or her, they'll get what's coming to them. Don't drop the soap, like I find that not okay and so but of course, I mean this person was in their feelings, and you know, it is what it is. You can't control sometimes what you say. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't even like yeah just to seem smirk, you know, like to me, it shows that he doesn't care. He never cares. Yeah. The reason people are able to commit these violent, violent crimes against usually against people of color, black people, brown people, and women and women of color included in that of course as well, is because they don't see us as people. They don't see us as people equal to them. And it's where you know, that dehumanization piece comes in and why words of hatred, like the words that come out of Trump's mouth are exactly dangerous. Yeah, Like it's not just words, you know, you're endangering people's lives. Add that to that, you know trans people and you know LGBTQ plus people as well. Yeah. Ad Masano, wife of Ivan Filiberto Manzano, she told him in Spanish that she took away, her children's hero, their pillar of support, and that their daughter is not going to have a father to give her away at the wedding, their son is not going to have someone to teach them to shave, learn how to drive, and that she hopes her children won't grow up with hatred toward the gunment and that they're able to move on with their lives. And she added that their dad and the kids are proud to be a Mexican and that she is prior to have been part of this Mexican family. Because that's why this person did it. He was literally targeting specifically looking for Mexicans. That's why he drove that many hours to do this. Yeah, Fancisco Javier Rodriguez, he is the father of Javier Rodriguez, the fifteen year old who was killed. He wore a T shirt with his son's face for this trial and when he was given his statement, he demanded for the government to at his son at his shirt. The gunman shook his head. No, that would have filled me with rage. But oh my god, I can't seriously, I don't know how he was then able to even just speak after this. I don't know, but he said, you don't have the balls to look at him. You had the balls to shoot him. You drove eight hours to command a meat crime without thinking of the damage you'd cause. And I'm just I don't know how they would like any of these people were able to go up there and face look at this person and say all these things. The strengths, the strength that it takes. Marg her ninety year old father, Luis Wuanas, was killed and her mother was injured. She told the gunman that his ignorance is what led him to do something so hateful, so hurtful. And then she also berated him during this trial for thinking that the US was being invaded for immigrants, and she told him that whoever taught him history should have done better. They taught it wrong. And then she said Native Americans have always been here after them before you and your American settler homies rolled in. And to think about that when you say you're defending your country. Yeah, and then she told him people who hold racist views like him only contribute to hate, while immigrants contribute to everything. She said the following and this is the last thing that was said, and I cannot believe like so she said, you were so worried about immigrants taking away something from you. Well, the only thing we're taking away today is your freedom. Wow. And then she walked back to the bench and there was like a roar of a blause after that. Wow. And I also those were all the statements that were read in the trial. But I also want to mention because I think another thing that happened first twenty twenty, so COVID hit almost right after this. And another thing that kind of went like unspoken or really unfocused was the Mexican victims of the shooting, because it wasn't just Mexican American, right, Like literally people from Mexicans. Yeah, one witness that her testimony was instrumental to piecing together the path that the gunman took in the store. She was deported after this. Oh my god, this is horrible. I could not fucking believe it when I read that due to a traffic violation. That's ridiculous. That's what I'm saying, Like people don't understand that immigrants are less likely and it doesn't matter, right, Like American citizens commit crimes and they don't get sent to other countries, right because they happen to have the privilege to be born here, but immigrants are less likely to commit crimes because of the fear of deportation. Imagine driving because you need to drive in this country in most cities, driving to your daily activities, work, whatever it is, and being afraid of doing anything wrong at any point in time because you might get pulled over and then deported. Like what the hell kind of life is that? And our mother lived it, and we lived in fear of, you know, her being over. Do you remember when we crap, Like, no, we didn't crash, so when in the freeway and because we're in the freeway, she couldn't stop and rented the car in front. It was like an accordion of your ends rear ending. Sorry, I'm sorry according to rear ends. Okay, yes it was, I'm so sorry. Anyway, we begged the policeman. Well, first we begged the people in front of us, and today I want to let us leave, to let us leave because we didn't want the police to be there. We're like, look, we got hit, like just pretend this van wasn't here. They didn't do it. The police got there and we begged, cried, pleaded for them not to do anything, so that our mom wouldn't be deported and I think he nothing happened. I think, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's a literal it's a true fear. And for her who she survived this horrific crime that specifically targeted her. She survived this and then she was deported. Are you furious? And it turns out that a lot of the victims, survivors of this white racist man that are Mexican citizens, cannot get visas. Wowe survived the shooting. She has no feeling in her left leg. She was at Walmart with her aunt to buy school supplies that they could resell in Mexico. Later, they were literally about to leave a store, but they decided to stop to go to the bathroom. That's when the gunman entered and when they heard the shots, and her aunt and per obviously both highly traumatized. Her aunt remembers praying to God that she was spared, and right after that, Liliana was shot in the leg, and she blames herself. Obviously it's not her fault, but she blames herself for praying that, and she cannot get the image of her knees bleeding out of her head. And then before COVID happened, Liliana could at least cross the border to receive free mental health care that was provided for the survivors of the attack that has long disappeared. She also needs special physical therapy that is only on this side of the border. That is absolutely unacceptable. Yeah, and since the shooting, she has severe anxiety and depression. She cannot access that free help that is on the other side because first, when twenty twenty happened, the border completely closed I don't remember for how long. So that left her without help. And now these services are slowly disappearing. The funding has gone, and you know, there's still some organizations out here that are like still providing care. The Family Resiliency Center is still working with the Mexican consulate to our for services and so people can finally go back and forth again, which they weren't able to do. Anna Vitela, she's another Mexican survivor of this shooting. She has terrible nightmares ever since it happened. That caused her to what the bend. She's severe. During the shooting, she was shot and she passed out and her nine year old son dragged her to safety. Oh my god, I just people again, like they're put in these impossible situations, traumatic situations, their lives are torn apart, and then they can't even get the help that they need because of this fake, made up border that so called Americans want to enforce. When you're not really an American, right, like indigenous people are from here, not you. Yeah, you're technically from Europe, and maybe you should go back to where you came from. Right If I were to take back to where I come from, I would still be in North America. Where would you be, Well, you know, I would be still be in America, maybe also in Central America, but you would be across the world in Europe. That's where your ass would be exactly. And Anna Vitella, her son for Christmas like two years ago, wrote that his wish, like what he wanted from Alinho Jesus, was for his mom to be herself again. Oh my god, I can't because Safina Ki Menez she was at Walmart on the day of the shooting to make funeral arrangements with a relative because her husband had just passed away, and that's when the gunman entered and so she survived, but she has trouble leaving her home due to terrible panic attacks, and like I said, these services that were provided to them are getting more difficult to access now. The majority of the Mexican survivors of this hate crime were not able to get work permits, they were denied, you, visas denied, and like I said, some of them were instrumental to solving or to figuring out what happened that day. Yeah, like Liliana Munos who was deported. Disgusting, absolutely diss I just I can't believe it. And so yeah, the majority of the Mexican survivors have tried applying for visas and they've been denied. There's only like a certain amount of the type of visa that they requested that is handed out, and for that reason or for whatever reason, they've been done every single time. Wow, And it's just like it doesn't make any sense. They were targeted, yeah, by a citizen of this country. They should be getting all the help and whatever they need. Yeah, And I just can't. I cannot believe that this is what happened to them, that they won were deported or can't get help, can't get the help that they need. So that I'm like, I didn't know that yeah, me, neither. That just makes me even I mean more angry. I'm gonna be looking into the organization I mentioned. Maybe there's like a donation link or something so that we can help out wherever we can. Yeah, but yeah, that is the El Paso shooting two eighteen, And yeah, I mean I wanted to share it, especially because we are seeing the same hateful rhetoric that it's twenty sixteen all over again. Stopped but it's back. Yeah, And it's just I don't know. And again, if you're Latino for Trump, you're fucking stupid. You're so stupid. You're the stupidest person of them all. Like I don't even have words to describe how fucking stupid you are. Yeah, And it's just it's not in your like why why when like against your own interest. Yeah, at the end of the day, these people do not care. Like you're out here like saying, oh well, immigrants blaue blah blah, but kids in their ass and they would kick your ass out of this country if they could. They would. They would, like how many of them were campaigning like, oh well, I would make it so that children of immigrants actually get supported. And you know why, They've done it. They have done it. This country has deported Mexican Americans. It's like history repeats itself all the time. Yeah, and I don't know. Everything's depressing. Yeah. All we have to hold on to is our little ghost stories. Yeah, and hug your family members, think about them. It's just all around again. All we have to hold on to is each other. Yeah, because that's what's gonna get us through all this. Yes, that and ghost stories. Honestly, So, yeah, this is an extra long episode. I'm sorry it is. Actually I love I love extra long episodes. Me too. But we have reached the end. We'll take a quick break and come back for Spaghea recommendations. I actually do have to pay for my Speakara recommendation, so I'm just gonna sit here and be sad. So I want him to stay and talk with me. Milott put his headphones on and I'm just kidding, Melo, what do you have to say? He's not talking? Okay, Milo, Okay, We're back for Scoop Scooby Key, Scoopy say Scoopy. Bookie recommendations. Sorry, do you have any Actually I do so. Last episode I mentioned a book I started reading and actually described their because I am accidentally reading too many books at once, and you know, they're all jumbled up in my head. But let me go to it. Where's my Libby, Libby Libby. My recommendation is your local library. Okay, So last week when I described the book as My Sister the serial Killer, I think it's called meets Crying h Mart. That's actually the description for the Eyes Are the Best Part by Monica Kim, and I actually haven't started reading that book yet, but it piqued my interest. Let me just describe like the description so that people in case they're interested, but I'll probably start reading it soon because I'm about ninety percent done with the current book that I'm reading. So it says Crying in h Mart meets my Sister the serial Killer in this feminist psychological horror about the making of a female serial killer from a Korean American perspective, and then it describes g wants life tumbles into disarray in the wake of her I'm not going to lie. I saw the title and I then I checked it out immediately. I didn't even see exactly what it was about. Gi Want's life tumbles into disarray in the wake of her appa's extra metal affair and subsequent departure, her mother distraught, her younger sister hurt and confused, her college freshman grades failing her dreams horrifying yet enticing in them. Jiwan walks through bloody rooms, full of eyes, succulent blue eyes, salivatingly blue eyes. That's a weird word I had never said before. Eyes the same shape and shade as Georges, who is UMA's obnoxious new boyfriend. George has already overstayed his welcome in her family's claustrophobic apartment. He brags about his puffed up consulting job Ogle's Asian waitresses while dining out, and acts condescending toward ji Wan and her sister as he deserves all of Umah's fawning autoation. No, George doesn't deserve anything from her family. Jiwan will make sure of that, and I agree with her. I have yet, and there's a little bit more, but that's basically I think enough. I hold on it. Okay, well, yeah, I hold is up, and I need to start an asap because now it's due, like in sixteen days. You're beating twenty books at the same time. Some I am it's not. It was an accident. Okay. And I'm about ninety percent done with the current book that I'm reading, which is called that She is a Haunting. That's the when you mistakenitely yes, described as this. So this one, let me just pull that one up. It is honestly, I like it. It is ya, but it doesn't feel super hitea to me. I think I feel like the only thing that makes a Hya is the character is eighteen. She just graduated from high school. Oh and sometimes you just need like a chill white a book. You know, nothing wrong with that, but this is not a chill ya book. But this is not chill Okay. So she is a haunting. It made me think of Mexican Gothic in that there's a house that is like haunted, but there's more to the haunting. I love them. Yeah, and there's like things of colonization. Love them. So yeah, very much like it. Okay, I'm here. Four has the three point forty rating. I would give it five out of five. I've not done yet, though, Okay, Okay, so then yeah, this one says a house with the terrifying appetite haunts a broken family. In this atmospheric horror, perfect for fans of Mexican Gothic, which, yes, I agree. Okay, So this one says. When Jade Neugen arrives in Vietnam for a visit with her restranged father, she has one goal survived five weeks pretending to be a happy family in the French colonial house, Ba is restoring. She's always live to fit in, so she's straight enough. Vietnamea is enough American enough. She can get out with the college money he promised, But the house has other plans. Night after night, Jade wakes up paralyzed. The walls exude a thrumbing sound, while bugs leave their legs and feelers in places they don't belong. She finds curious traces of her ancestors in the gardens they once tended, and at night, Jade can't ignore the ghosts of the beautiful bride who leaves her cryptic warnings. Don't eat. Neither Ba nor her sweet sister Lily believe that there's anything strange happening. With help, I'm a delinquent girl, Jade will prove this house, the home her family has always wanted, will not rest until it destroys them. Maybe this time she can keep her family together. As she roots out the house's rot, she must also face the truth of who she is and who she must become to save them all. Oh I love it. I'm like, right, I'm almost wait. I'm I did not alwait, It's already on my tbro. It's already on hold at my library. There was a like three month wait, and I'm gonna wait. I put an audiobook on hold, another book by Abby Jimenez. I don't think I talked about the book I read listen to because it's not spooky, but I really liked it, right, yours truly? No, yours truly? Yeah, okay, it was super cute. So then I put Just for the Summer on a hold, and I'm number nineteen and there's two copies in use. Yeah, it's two weeks weeks long, the hold weeks Yeah okay, So yeah, I don't have spooky recommendations. I do have some updates before we go from this ex long episode, So update number one. We will be recording our book club episode very soon. Right, Yeah, I'm hoping to have those nuts notes nuts, Oh my god, I'm hoping to have those notes nuts on your mind apparently, I'm hoping to have those notes done by a few days so that we can record this and it can be out in a couple of weeks at the latest. I need to figure out how to do this. But I would like to live stream these on Patreon and have our strains the book club. Yeah. Oh that would be cool, but I don't know how to do that yet, so I have to look into that. Yeah, so that's in progress, as in I have to will it be like chat? What do you think that's what we could do chat chat chat? Yeah, basically, can I get some notes? Yeah? And then what what was my other update? I actually don't know. We are gonna start doing episodes all in Spanish, that's right. Yeah. We've already done it once for Historia's Unknown, and I think it went pretty well. Someone did message at Spooky Tales and said about the Spanish episode, Yeah that we did great. Oh thank you. I was great, me too. So we're gonna be doing that once? I said, yeah, I see. Now we're gonna be doing it once a month on a Spooky Taels. It's gonna be stories. We've already talked about what should we do first? I was thinking last Oh, yes, I like mm hm, but also I sepos and both are pretty sure together. Yeah yeah, and then the sidings that we have found in then, so all that'd be fun, yeah, combine it. Yeah. So yeah, that'll probably be the first one. In the next couple of weeks, we'll record it, and from then on we're gonna be once a month. So I'm excited for that. And okay, I think those are my updates. If anyone wants to, If anyone's still here and you want to see our vlog about Denver, it is on Patreon. You can join the three dollars tier and that's when you can see it. You could even do the free trial and look at all our videos that were on there, because there's that vlog, and then there's one more from when we went to a hunted theater in Portland together. It's short compared to the Denver one. Oh and okay, I think that's it. Other than that, I'm still tired from Denver, but still very inspired. Oh yeah, such a good time. Yeah and okay, okay, we've talked about enough. I have to pee and go kempt I mean three times. Yeah, breaks I've been holding it for no reason. What was our listeners story about oh, I was gonna tie it to a chatterw Negative or something like that. Oh okay, I was gonna say, don't make makeshift Wiji boards in the middle of school. Yeah no, let's stick to that. Yes, okay, yes, and say Swiki will get your ruin next time. Bye.