Legends From Baja California and the Case of Elizabeth Salgado

Hi. This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things spooky Haunted places myths, legends in Latin America, and true crime involving Latin America or latinos latinas in the US. I've been practicing that. I like that, thank you. Yeah, And I mentioned both because we're doing both today. Carmen has legends from Baja California, Yes, yes, yeah. And I've got a true crime case that I just feel that I heard about it and it needs more awareness. It involves a Mexican woman who was literally only in the United States for eighteen days before she went missing. Oh wow, Yeah, Elizabeth Stargado was her name. And before we get into both of those things, we have a listener story. And finally I went into the Haunted Spooky hot line Haunted hotline. I don't call it that. I think I just called the Spookie hot line. Yeah, she went into the Haunted archives. Yes, it's out of the door. That sounds better. Actually, that's what I did. And so we're gonna listen to the story today. And I absolutely even though I forget, like I neglect the hotlines A lot. I love hearing people tell you their story and their own voice. It's fun. So there's a few sitting here, so we're going to be I'm going to try and do this, you know, just remember to delete the ones you've already played before all that. If you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email a Spooky toos at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of the socials. You can submit it on discord. You could also record a voice memo and attach a yet email. That's one way, or again call the is Pooky hotline number in the show notes. And there's also a thing on our website that says record a voicemail. But for some reason, people like it never works. I don't know. I get messages and it's like I try to leave a voicemail and it's not working. So I don't know. I got to figure out what's going on with that, because when you go to the website there's an option that's sad, but it never works, So I don't know. But those are all the options. There's several wat to get stories to us. We love receiving them and all right, are we ready? Yeah? One, two, three, So I just heard your podcast of the Dealing Sister. Oh my gosh, it didn't reminded me. That's what made happened to me. And so I live in North Carolina and I lived with my mom, my dad, my nephew, right, and my nephew is like a year older than me. And one night he came to my room and asked where it was him, and he just stood in the corner and like describing at his face like he was in pain and just crying, and he was saying, why do you hate me so much? Why don't you love me? And then I went, I want to get my mom to come get him, like to see what's going on. And I passed by his room and he was asleep in his room in he's dead. So then I got to my mom anyway, and then my mom talks me to my room, right, and then my room is on the like the end of the trailer, and he is his room is in the middle of the trailer. So my mom her room is all the way on the other side. So she wants me to my room. And then I go to lay down, right, everybody goes to sleep, and then my nephew comes to my room he actually does come to my room and he's crying and he's screaming, and he's running off the wall like acting crazy. And then he goes to the living room and he's just crying and pulling at his face. I go to my mom and my mom comes in there, and he's just like pull my arm, pull my arm, and he's just crying and screaming and talking about the devil and all this crazy stuff. And it was so like terrifying. Oh my god, it's just scaring me now thinking about that because it was so real to me, and my mom had to call the local pastor. Our father. We had just gotten him, so I don't really know him much like that, it was a scary night of my life. He was just like crawling, all creepy and everything like that's how I know the other side is real, something you know is more than us out here. And oh my god, just that the listening story really got to me. But anyways, he had to come. The father had to come to the house, and he blessed him, He blessed the house, he poured holy water on him, he gave him a rosary and everything. And for the next year we went to church like every Sunday, every Wednesday. It was just like I don't know, I don't know what it was like. It was okay, it got cut off, wow at the very end there. But oh my god, that's terrifying, very if anyone doesn't remember the story she was referring to chat on one of our listeners on patron Remembers sent in another voice memo where she mentioned that her sister was like attacking her, right, Yeah, so like in a but like in a weird situation, not just like attacking her like she was like not a regular attack. Yeah, it's like she was having sleep paralysis and in her in her sleep proalyssis moment, she was seeing like a demon, right, and then when she woke up, it was her sister on top of her, like kicking her or some shit like that. So that was the listening story that this listener was referring to. And oh my god, that is very scary, truly terrifying. Yeah, it's just it's so much worse that she saw it happened before it happened, Like the nephew was in her room, right, but then she passed by and he was asleep, but then it happened in the living room, kind of like telling the future a little bit. Yeah, creepy, very creepy. Thank you so much for setting that in. Yeah, I'm I'm scared. Yeah, Okay, shall I get to the legends from Baja California and Baka California. Suit, let's do it. Okay, now we'll get to those, but before the Spookye, a little bit of a little bit of fats, a little bit of the region. I love it, Yeah, perfectly. So, Baja California is the twelfth largest state by area in Mexico, and it is the northernmost and westernmost of the Mexican states. So yeah, like the way I explained it to myself, is the first state on the western coast that borders Arizona, California, Like do you get it? Yes? And as most probably know, Tijuana is the largest city in Baker California, but Mexicali is the capital. I actually didn't know what the capital was now me neither did I think it was Tijuana? Yes, who didn't honestly unless you're from there? Right, other major and well known cities in Baga, California, or in Senada and ros Rito or right in Rosa Rito. So that was the last that was really I was literally about to stop pre colonization. Baca, California was inhabited by indigenous groups who spoke the Yuman language of the Hokon linguistic family. And of course I'm sorry for any mispronunciations. This included the Kiliwa, Pipeie, Kumeyai, and go go Ba tongues. Okay, main those are the main ones, but there's more so the Papaye Indians aka the Akuala. Also they're also known as that lived in the northern Sierras which is modern day and Sanata, Mexicali, and also in the US and western Arizona in southern California. You know, because borders are fink they're made up in recent Yeah, exactly, so the Kumeyai people resided in the coastal inland valley and in the mountain regions of Baja California, which is present day as Gondido, and then also in San Diego. Again because the borders are made up, So the Spaniards also referred to the And I feel like I already wrote it differently, but when I say Kumeyai Kumai, I don't know people as the the Gueno or the Geno, I'm not sure, but the Spaniards made that up, so who cares what they think? The who My people were hunters, gatherers and fishers and the Cochimi. Did I even bring up Touchimi already, but they were also from this region. But the Cochimi people inhabited the central area of Baja California Peninsula from north of modern day Rosario to Loreto, and they sustained themselves by fishing in the coastal areas and gathering fruits and seeds from other areas. And of course there's a lot more you know, history there and culture there that we're not gonna, you know, get to right. In fifteen ninety six, King Felippe Dos of Spain ordered the colonization of this area of the Baja California Peninsula, and six years later Sebastian Viscaino made his way to the region, where he was met with fears resistance Good exactly. And while Sebastian managed to build a four in La Pace, the four had to be abandoned due to Indigenia's resistance. Good. Then, in sixteen eighty three, a mineral Isidro Atndo and Antillon and this is what it said. So I don't know if this is the boat's last names or if these are two separate people, because it was so No, it's probably two last names. But so if it was two last names, why didn't they just say Admiral Isidro Antillon instead of putting and it was a thing? Are you serious? Yeah? Oh, okay, so this is one person, then yes, so the person Isidro. He established a settlement in modern day La Pace. But again the Spaniards were forced to abandon their establishment. I'm loving all this forceful abandonment of their settlements. Yes, yeah. And then another settlement that the Spaniards were forced to abandon was in modern day sam Bruno. Then in sixteen ninety seven, Jesuit missionaries arrived to the area, you know, to colonize some more and spread slash force their religion onto the other indigenous people of the area. So many indigenous people lost their lives in led anchidias and the missions that were established by the Spaniards. Many from anxious diseases like smallpox, typhis, and measles, and the deadliest epidemic was the typhus epidemic from seventeen forty two to seventeen forty four, which is said to have taken the lives of about eight thousand indigenous people. Oh my god. In the decades that followed, many bands and indigenous groups were completely eradicated, while others, like the Pettiku, Guaikura, and Kochimi struggled and resisted against their ongoing colonization. From seventeen thirty four to seventeen forty four, there were various bouts of indigenous rebellion, the strongest of these being from seventeen thirty four to seventeen thirty seven, in which the Pertiku and the Guaikura people took over many of the missions in the southern part of the peninsula. I love this. This is the kind of mastionary history that I would have preferred to learn about. Oh yeah, instead of being forced to go on field trips to learn about these fathers and priests that do fuck people. Tell me who fucked them? Yeah, tell me who they throw their houses? Yeah, seriously, that's what I want to know. By eighteen ninety five, according to the census of that year, around two thousand, one hundred fifty people spoke indigenous languages in Baja California, but by the nineteen hundred census that number dropped to one thousand, one hundred eleven, and then to seven hundred eleven in nineteen ten. Oh my god. And then from what I saw, these census from nineteen hundred and nineteen ten included all of Mexico, not just Baja California peninsula. So today most of the indigenous languages spoken in the Bacca Peninsula are not historically local to the region and are brought from migrant workers from Wahaka mostly. So, yeah, that was a little bit of the of the history of the region. Let's see, in a previous episode, you've already talked about one major legend of Baja California, which was the Haunted Roads episode Haunted Roads in Mexico episode we talk about Laero Morosa. Yes, Latra Morosa. So and then I okay, I looked through the episodes and the website and I didn't see that you had covered the Aqua Galiente casino and hotel. But I kind of remember, are you talking about it? Does that sound familiar to you? Oh? Is it the Headless Ballerina? No, No, it's just similar. Then it's just very similar. Then I remember that headless ballerina. Okay, this is very short because I really couldn't find that much infault about it. I'm excited, but basically, this Agua Calientes Casino and hotel is in Tijuana and it's now a high school. Right, isn't that the same as the other one? Wow? Okay, so this is standing very familiar. But you're sure that this doesn't have a headless woman. Yeah, who may or may not dance? Right? I mean I didn't see more, okay about that? Okay, there could be yeah, there could be more details. I guess that I didn't. Well, let's just let's just hear it because I was a very early episode anyway. So this was in the nineteen thirties when the building was a hotel. A woman who's saying for the hotel poisoned her lover after stealing money from him, but it didn't kill him immediately, so when he chased her down desperately asking for the act to know, she refused to give it to him, and then he shot her and killed her. So now students from the high school report seeing a woman's ghost, but not the lover's ghost. Okay, So the version which we shared is insanely similar to this, but instead of being a singer, it's a dancer. Oh okay, yeah, interesting, and she does kill her husband my poison. Yes, but people see her in one of the high schools like Towers. Oh, and she's headless. Okay, there was nothing headless I saw from this one. Okay, very interesting because yeah, this is almost the same. And then I saw a legend but not more detail, which kind of like. I was looking and looking. I even found an article about Jesswa missions. You're like going to Google scholars, Yes. I was. I even asked my librarian friend for access to it and I was able to get the full article. But it was not spookiness. It was just mission history, which I was like, blah. Okay, So there's this legend of the lost mission of San Dionicio. This sounds fascinating. Well, don't get too excited because it's so short. Okay, Okay. It is said that a Jesuit mission slash colonization station. That's me. Sorry, did you just make that up? No? I made it up when I was typing it, so it's in my okay, yeah, okay, I love it. Wow. So it is said that a Jesuit mission named San Dionicio was once located near the town of La Pace. Somehow the mission disappeared and only cryptic symbols on the rocks have been left in its place, and that's all I can find about it. Oh my god. Please, if anyone knows more about this lost a mission of San Dionio, please tell us seriously. Wow, okay, I've never heard this. I love coming across sledges that I've never heard about. Yes, at this point, this deep in the podcast, there's like not a lot, right, you know, they're still out there like this. I never heard of this, but it's so short. Oh man, I wish the was more right. I have another short one, okay, okay. In the town of Todos Santos, fear spread among both locals and visitors when the appearance of the Devil's foot prints materialized on the walls of the mission of Todos Santos. But that's all I could find. And then when I try looking more into it, it only popped up like a like a famous story from the UK of the Devil's footprints. Yeah. Wow, that is so short, so like two sentenceur stories like more like that yeah, but I have a longer one now, Okay. So this is the legend of Laurita. Okay. So it is said that a few kilometers west of Dodos Santos, in the road that takes you to Ganada Onda, La Pastora e las Flaitas, under a tree known as Palo Blanco, the tomb of a young woman named Martile Martinez can be found. However, there is no name in the tombstone, only the words la Aurgarita. That's rude. Yeah, we don't mean her name's not there, just like this or the choked one, the choked girl or woman. I'm sorry, I do not first I want to be cremated, so I'm not going to be like in a tomb, right, But if I were to have a tombstone, I would be so offended. Of course I would come back and haunt the world. If all my tombstone said is the choked one. Yeah. No. So, according to the legend, this took place in the final years of the eighteenth century and has been passed down orly in the region since then. So the story is as follows. Matilde lived in a werta known as Sorry Paused. So I didn't know what a whatta was? Do you remember me asking her mom in the in our group message, I do not when I was stuck in the airport in Denver by the way, Yeah, curse cursed Denvers are not wanting to leave. As I was writing this, I was going through a curse. Yeah, so werta. I really forgot what she said, honestly, But it seems like researched. No, because it didn't really know. It's like like housing, but like kind of like outside, like there's a huge like garden in there, just a small shelter like when you go to the park and there's like a covered area to No, No, no, it's more it's like a residential place, but it's more outside than the like the residential building. I guess it's just small and I don't know. I don't want to see rudimentary, but maybe, yes, rudimentary. This sounds like what would be like a hakal. Maybe yes, that's how I pictured it. Yeah, okay, so yeah there's like a shack. Yeah okay. So Matilda lived in and I don't know, I was known that with her husband, her mother in law, and a brother in law who was only about nine years old, and he was a person with down syndrome. The story I found used an older, outdated term that we won't repeat here. Right, Matilda was only eighteen and she and her husband were newly wets. On the day of the tragic event, Matilda's husband was away working at the canaverale. I did look that up and I forgot what it was. Just don't tell us, sorry, while Matilda stayed home to tend the garden. Now, Matilde was busy sewing and raking and pruning and watering whatever else, growing pumpkins and tells, Okay, she was like doing it all. Wow, she's just growing pumpkins, you know. So she was busy working when a friend of hers and her husband's named as montever then walked by, as friends do, as Dolfou greeted Matinde, saying get you less is done to scalavas Matinde or girly, your pumpkins are so cute. Yeah, and then he went on his merry way. You know, comes Nava. Because it was nothing, just a simple compliment right on her pumpkins, right she was growing. Yeah, well, alasen this compliment. Okay, the mother in Laddin like this compliments. No no about pumpkins. Right. The mother in law mistook this compliment as flirtation, and she was jealous on behalf of her son. Purious. The mother in law yeld edsuna or your a flirt amatide, and in her furious rage, she repeatedly hit Matile with which is the you know, yeah, this thing like this, the part you crushed, yes, the whatever? Yeah, yeah, so that thing and this is so uncalled for, exactly, it's a complete overreaction. So yeah, she hit Mati until Matile fell to the ground dead. Oh my god. The mother in law then tried to cover her tracks by hiding Mattila's body among the shrubbery. A tree had fallen in that area amongst the shrubbery, so she made it look like this tree fell on Matile and that's how Matilda died. And then she left Mattila's body there until the husband got home. So hours passed, and at the end of the day the husband finally got home. The mother in law told her son that Matilda had an accident and died when the tree fell on her, and like your typical mama's boy, he believed every word she said. I was gonna say this sounds like a boy. Mom. Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. Then laid into the night d two hid Mattila's body by wrapping it in leather and dragging it to a mountain. I'm sorry if my husband and mother in law put together my fucking body I had come back buffalom like that. Oh my god, that's like adding insult to the mother in law already killed her dad, and now the husband is fucking helping her. I know. It's the audacity, the shamelessness. Once in the mountain, they dragged Mattila's body a few kilometers further until they reached on blanco or a white bark tree. They're at the award Blanco or the mother in law and husband hung Mattila's body to make the townspeople think that she died by suicide. Oh my god, it's like it's adding on more more insultant dream like. Yeah, because on top of that, this is also like a sin you can't right, especially to like a Catholic community. Yeah. Yeah. Eight days later, Matilda's body was found by a young boy who told the townspeople. The townspeople were both surprised and afraid to hear the news. And then authorities became involved. It was decided by the authorities that it would be best to let Matilda to rest right then and there at the Adamal de Palo Blanco, where her body hung. Soon the truth of Mattila's death was revealed when her younger brother in law spilled the beans about his mother killing Matilda. The mother in law and husband were sent to Santa Rosalia Prison, where the mother in law died in a dungeon like room. Wow she yes. The husband was eventually released from prison after serving his full sentence, and then he was lost to time like no one knows what happened to him. In the years and decades that followed, La Aurcaita became a fountain of hope for women and longing to become mothers. And this is because after her death, it turned out that Matilda was about four months pregnant. Oh my god. But in order for Matilda to grant i'm may goal, one must start praying along the main path until they get to Matilis tomb, and the prayer must be prayed to the child inside matiliz womb who died at the hands of its own Awulita. Wow. So she's a good goes. Yeah. Yeah, wow, that's surprising. But also and I love this, I'm not like like I love that this happened because like, leave it to a group of like a Mexican community to turn this horrible death into something miraculous, into a saint. Like, yeah, it reminds me of the little boy that died and the people bring him toys and stuff in the Panteon Develin. But people don't pray to him, right, they just bring him toys. No, no, because people do give toys to little Nachito. They do in Panto Neblin. But in Panto Neblin there's also a doctor that passed away and people began to ask him for favors that's right, for healing, for prayers, and now people pray to him. Like I know this is like, oh, you're not supposed to do that as a Catholic. What is the worst sacrilegious or something like that. Yeah, yeah, like it's wrong, but also the most Catholic thing to do. Yeah, Like, this woman was hanging from a tree, but you know what I'm interpreted her now like yeah, yeah, well because she didn't hang herself, you know, of course, We're not saying that people who die by suicide or sinners, but that's the Catholic belief right. But yeah, I mean she was put there and the truth came out about her death, and so yeah, they like turned this into a positive and revered her, which is cool. Yeah. I was expecting something different, like, oh, cars drive by and she pops up and people get in car accidents. And I wouldn't blame her if she did me neither. But the fact that this is what became of her, like, I love it, I absolutely love it. But you know what I love more is that her name is remembered, so is her friend's name. But the husband and the mother in law, they're just the husband and the mother in law. Yeah, they're nameless in this story. Yeah, and yeah, I'm here for that. So next we have the legend of El Metulo. The legend of m Matulo originated in Bacha, California, suit on a peninsula north of to be exact that many call Elmetulo or Punta Matulo. According to legend, around the nineteenth century, the waters around the peninsula used to be full of pearls, so every year, hundreds of divers would go to the area and dive deep into the ocean to search for pearls in hopes of getting rich. Drivers back then did not have the technology we have today, so it's said that many would dive into the water with only a stick to protect themselves from ocean predators. Those that made it back to land would usually be injured and have bloody noses and busted ear drums yanks. Oh. Eventually, every year the winds they would get stronger every year and they made dangerous for divers to continue searching. So at the end of each diving season, the divers would get together and dig up their last pearl in honor of the Vitkan media. But one year, one of the divers missed the end of season tradition and instead decided to dive into the ocean on his own, even though fellow divers warned against it. The selfish diver told his fellow divers that he planned to dig up his final pearl in the name of the devil instead. What the fuck? He's like someone called for He's like, he can't screw that. This is for suttn ass? What and for what exactly? Yeah? Why? Why? Because he was he was never seen again. He duve into the water, and he was never seen again. Of course yep, so many believe that the devil heard the man's offering and took him instead, like I don't watch a pearl, I want your soul, please, don't you know me? Right? So, nowadays locals do not dare to search for pearls near Bunda Machuzo because it's said that those who have tried have encountered the ghosts of the selfish diver, and those who do encounter the ghosts of the diver can expect to encounter a ghost with a huge head of hair, a long beard, that looks sad, and is holding a large pearl in his hand that is said to belong to the devil. Wow and overall, many believes the legend was created to teach greedy divers to stay away from the ocean when it becomes dangerous or pay the ultimate price with their lives. There's nothing like a fun little ghostly cautionary tale to keep people away from a certain area. You know, it just makes it all so much better. So that was that was legends from Baja California and Baca, California. Those are fun. I love a fun little local legend. You know, I don't know about any of these so bad. Yeah, it's always it's always fun to read about other places. Yeah, Okay, Well we're gonna take a quick ad break and when we're back, we're going into the true crame parm Welcome to you our Hunted break. 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The best support that you can give us is just listening to our episodes here, So thank you for doing that, and we're back. I'm going to be sharing the case of Elisabe Salgado. She went missing after all being in Provo Utah for eighteen days, and I mean, this is you know, we'll get into it, but it's it's a very sad case, like I just couldn't believe it. So Ai Saba Sagado was born November sixth, nineteen eighty eight, and she was twenty six at the time she went missing. She was an inspiring engineer. Both of her parents were also engineers from Chiapas, Mexico. She had just graduated with her bachelors from dux La Gutierres Institute of Technology and her degree was in industrial engineering. After graduating, she spent two years as a missionary in Bachuca in Valgo, and when she returned from her mission trip, she attended a business leadership course, and this is when she decided that she wanted to learn English to get you know, better career opportunities, and so she started researching where to attend English school. She was like legit, like actual like immersion, you know, which was the best way to learn, not like reo lingo, which is honestly just like really a game at this point, so she decided after English classes she was going to move to sue that Mexico and then pursue her masters. So you could tell right away like she's responsible. She values education deeply. She ended up choosing Provo, Utah to attend the Noman Global English Language School, and she chose Provo after a lot of research. She learned through this research that it was one of the safest cities in the United States. And she also chose it because her church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints Mormons, it was very active in the area. It is Utah asome, but also she has family in the area, so it was kind of the perfect place for her to go. Her mom describes her as very very smart, especially with math and physics. Her siblings looked up to her. She was noble, faithful, loving, She was the one kind of setting in the example for her younger sisters. She had older brothers and she was the eldest girl, and more things about her. Her mom said she never got angry, she was very patient. She was also just very faithful to her church and her mom taught Sunday school, and she was very close to her family. When she was away during her mission trip, she know she was in constant communication with them. She missed them a bunch, and she had just gotten back from this trip when she decided, you know, to go to English school. So you know, she was very sad to be away from her family again. But her mom reassured her, telling her like, oh, it's only going to be eight months. It's not a big deal. We just survived two years, like we're going to be fine, and that they would see each other when the trip or when the language school was over. And sadly, they never got the chance to see each other again. Elizabeth was in Provo, Utah for less than a month, like I said, eighteen days before she went missing. And even in just these eighteen days, she was very busy. She joined her local church, like a group in her local church, a youth group type thing, but for like adults. For the singles, yeah, it was like for both men and women. Like a young single sometimes they split it up, right, they do sometimes, So she joined that group. She had friends, like not close school friends, because you know, she was new to the area, but she made friends. She went to school, She got a part time job at a restaurant. Her apartment was in the Brandberry and apartment complex that was driving distance not far from the school, but she didn't have a car, so she walked a lot. So when she first got to the brand Berry she had roommates that she told her family that they were very like like there was a language barrier already, but they were also just like not very not warm and welcoming to her. Were they like warmons? Also? I don't know. I wonder, I wasn't able to find that in the research. And I also wonder if they were white. I was just gonna ask that. So you don't know. I don't know about that. I do know that she moved rooms apartment built of rooms, same complex, but with a group of Korean roommates after and she liked them so much better. They practiced their English together even though there was a language barrier. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, so that's what if they were white, I don't know, but I couldn't find that information. Sometimes Utah in general is there's a lot more like white people there and they can tend to be racist. Yeah, and like hashtag not all white people, right of course, of course, but the region you know, yeah, you never know, right, She just I know she had from her own accounts unwelcoming roommates when she first got there, and then she moved roommates. Can I share a sort of related story, yeah, okay, the relation is racist people from Utah. Utah is a relation, yes, yeah. So my friend lives in Salt Lake City and even she feels so she actually ended up living not on purpose but in the Mexican side of town, but she's just surrounded by white people. She said. Where she used to work, it was her birthday and the I don't know if it was their supervisor, just a coworker, but they you know how you do at work, they'll give you a birthday card that everyone's signed. Anyway, there was like the dog from like Taco Bell on the card. That is a microaggression. Yeah, and so she felt weird about it and She's like, hey, why did you give me this card? And then the person was like, what do you mean? It's because you're a Mexican and she's like what just straight up yeah, and she's like you get it. And then she's like do you get it? Like how I feel? And yeah, that's what happened. And the person didn't understand that it was inappropriate. Yeah, okay, well there it is. I mean, obviously that's some more person's experience, but I mean, even you know, as a person who had just arrived, she doesn't speak English fully, she is Mexican. It's like a double yeah. And just to factually moved roommates, and her own account is that these new roommates were much friendlier welcoming, So yeah, I don't know, there's something there, right, Yeah, So they practiced their English together. She also found Spanish speaking friends in the same building and they practiced English together as well. Overall, you can tell she's outgoing, she's friendly. Oh yeah, eighteen days in, I would have not had one friend. I've been here for like seven years in or cutting that. So she also had several outings with a man from her apartment complex, and she posted about this on Facebook. But she and she told her family about these outings like dates, I think, but she never said who this was. She never said a name. And I mentioned this earlier, but she was also a member of the young single adult group, which was called a ward. And then for some unknown reason, she switched wards from the wind. She was a BO because these are they were based on location. These Wards, they're very organized and so the it's like, if you're in this area of town, you belong to Ward eighteen, like I'm tayaketup numbers. So she moved from her what was supposed to be her award to the one hundred fortieth ward and this wasn't her official ward, so and there was never like an explanation for this move. Interesting, so it was like out of the ordinary for ward groups. Yeah, And at the one hundred fortieth Ward, her unofficial minister brother was Mackie Smith. He only got to know her a little litle bit. He mentions that he was supposed to give her a ride to a church event, but he couldn't because he was sick, and that was the last time he spoke to her. And he also just even him describing like I couldn't give her a ride, but she was just so nice about it. She's like she was just that kind of person that was just so kind. Going to add and this is no way to shade her her family, but it's all I just feel like I need to point it out because it's a thing with high control religions, and with Mormonism specifically that I've heard and learned from watching ex Mormons women girls, they're not allowed to express anger. It's very very frowned upon. So I just want to throw that out there, like being angry is a valid emotion. It's okay to be angry, it's okay to not be nice all the time. I'm just you know, yeah, I just needed to say that. He couldn't control like the urge to say this. I was like finding it from earlier on. I could tell. I could tell I was waiting at Yeah, that's about to explode. Yes, yeah, that's that is very true. And if you are nice all the time, okay, maybe you're like that, but it's not likely, Like everyone experiences a wide range of emotions normal. It's normal, and it's okay, and it's yeah, and it's allowed or should be allowed for everyone, right, And so he even said, like when he said he couldn't give her a ride, she asked if he needed anything, even though she wouldn't have had a way to like take him anything, right, she was still like what. Do you need? Like I'm here for you. And that was the last time we saw her. And he was cleared from any sort of suspicion as well, because I think anytime you mentioned anyone's name Mary, it's like yeah, right, but no, he was, Hey, he's been cleared fully and he fully cooperated with investigators like nothing suspicious at all. So he was able to give her a ride. And this was just a few days before she went missing this church event that he was supposed to give her a ride to. So on April sixteenth, twenty fifteen, and Sabbath had plans to go to Walmart with her uncle after school, and this was normal. She didn't have a car, so it was like a planned thing that they had where once a week he picked her up and or take her to Walmart for groceries. They were supposed to be five at her apartment, but when he got there, she was not there. And earlier that day, Elizabeth's sister texted her, I miss you. What are you doing, and Elizabeth had replied leaving school and that was it. That was the message, nothing else, just leaving school. This was at two thirty pm, and this was the last time anyone Elizabeth's phone had any sort of activity. Wow. The family and her sister, they do believe that this was not her texting because even if it was a simple answer like I'm leaving school, her messages were always affectionate okay, like it would have a heart emoji or something something something. And also like her sister said, I miss you, what are you doing? So normally she what I miss I knew you too, Yeah, okay exactly, and this message none of that, just so straightforward leaving school. So that was already unlike her, Yes, very unlike her. So that already kind of raised bells. And so you know, that was two thirty pm. So at five, when she didn't show up, when her uncle was waiting for her at her apartment, this was brazy moral alarms. They were like, she should be here by now. This isn't like her to just not do what she was going to do, like to just flake on plants. Right, So her uncle decided to go to Walmart because maybe for some reason she walked straight to Walmar instead of the apartment he went. He walked through all the aisles, she was nowhere to be seen, and then he was like, okay, maybe she picked up a last minute shift at the restaurant. He went over there and asked, but no, she wasn't scheduled to work that day, so she wasn't there either. And he went home after that thinking Okay, maybe Eliseeba just forgot our plans and maybe she went in there's something else with friends. But still he was like, I don't know, like it's not like her. Yeah, And so he'd let her mom know in Chiapas and they were all like, okay, this is weird. And because none of their messages were being answered either, the last message answered was the leaving school message. So the next day, Friday the seventeenth, her mom called her other brother. He is now in California, but he did live in Provo for a long time, so another uncle and he ended up calling Elizabeth's work and learned that she didn't show up her scheduled shift. And now they grew even more worried because this is like the most responsible person ever, and so they report her missing after this, and surprisingly the police get to work right away because she's an adult, and we know the police sometimes they tend to be like whatever, and adults allowed to go missing, right, That's what I was say. Yeah, So the police get to work right away. They pink her phone and they get nothing. They also like, there's no recent selectivity, so like it was turned off, right, that's inane. So that means that was trewed off or dead. Yeah, one of the two. They are able to determine that she had been walking her regular route route. I don't know. I never know how to say that word right, right either. Yeah, So she had been walking the way she normally walks home, and they began talking to anyone and everyone that knew her. So they quickly rule out a creepy classmate who like made advances towards her. They rule out a construction work girl from the site that she passed by every single day, who apparently was like trying to get her to quit her job, telling her things like, oh, I'll take care of you. Do never believe that, right? Can I go on another side of tangent about that? Of course? Okay, do you remember being in Mexico with Artia Rika on the bus and she told us the story. I don't even know how this came up, but she told us the story of this girl who she wanted her mom to buy her new shoes. But the mom couldn't have wanted to buy new shoes. She was like a teenager, like a young teenager. And then the girl met this man who promised to buy her new shoes, and so she went off with the first man that offered it to buy her new shoes. And now she said, ambarrassala descalza so barefoot and pregnant. I don't remember this, but also she tell us this. I have no idea why she was saying this to us, which is one of those things I remember. Yeah, she's like, don't trust the first man to offer you shoes. I mean that's the lesson. Yeah, yeah, wow, that's I don't remember that at all. Yeah. So, yeah, they rolled these two creepy men out. They were just creepy. But there was just nothing there, right, just your regular run of the mill crate. Yes, And so they talked to classmates, teachers. They couldn't find anything. And so just based on like their interviews and the last like phone activity that they gathered it seems that Elizabeth had began to walk home that day from Nobod Global, her school. So on four hundred West is the street the school's on two, and she was walking to her apartment at the Branberry. That's four four nine West seven twenty north, not too far right. So I looked it up on them on Google Maps. Okay, according to Google Navigation. According to Google, it's a seven minute drive and a fifty four minute walk, unless like paths have changed since this happened. I listened to a couple of podcasts and they said it was a thirty minute walk. Oh, interesting, But looking at it today, it's a fifty four minute walk, so I don't know either way, kind of a long walk. So believed she was heading north after leaving Noman Global, possibly passing by West Center Street in Provo and twelve hundred north, so between University Avenue and West five hundred West Street, And if she had been walking, she would have passed by a construction site. And even though they both have cameras, neither captured her, like they were facing the wrong way or they just weren't working, And it would seem that she would have taken major streets home last of traffic, but somehow, like no surveillance cameras caught her. Interesting, Yeah, it's weird. So then local media starts picking up Elizabeth's case, and eight days after she went missing, Elizabeth Smart and her father became aware of her case of Elizaveth Salgado. Do you know who Elizabeth Smart is? Yes? Okay, I thought you would. But for those that don't know who Elizabeth Smart is, she became an advocate after surviving her own kidnapping in two thousand and two, which also took place in Utah in Salt Lake City. She was fourteen years old and she was kidnapped by a man named Brian Mitchell who her mom had just hired like he was like homeless on the street and her mom had hired him to like do some cleaning. Very horrible case. She was captive like months, so for a while she was held outside of the in the ouskirts of Salt Lake City. Then the kidnapper took her to San Diego. And when it was it was the kidnapper and his wife or girlfriend, I don't remember which of the two she was, and she, you know, during her captivity, was abused in several ways horrible, horrible ways. But she was found alive on March twelve, two thousand and three, and her kidnapping was widely publicized. There's a lot of media curve in her story, including a book by the Smart Family. Documentaries shows. She has her own foundation where she works to end victimization and exploitation of sex year assault through education, healing, that advocacy. So when she heard about Elizabe Salgado, who also went missing in Utah, you know where she went missing from, her and her dad immediately got to work. They were like, we're going to bring attention to this. So they held a media or sorry press They held a g yeah, press conference, thank you. I was like, what is it called? Why am I blanking on this? They held a press conference with the Salagado family to bring more attention to Elizabeth Salgado and it worked because then there was a massive search for Elizabeth. They searched along what would have been her route from school to her apartment, but they found nothing. While all this is happening, Elisabeth's parents are stuck in Mexico. Oh my god, they can't leave. They're waiting for their reasons to be approved, and it wasn't until the Mexican consulate stepped in to make the process move faster. So finally, after thirteen long days, her family so her her parents and her brother were able to make as a provo. And yeah, she had local family, but of course her parents want to be searching too, Like I just can't imagine feeling so unable to stuck any yeah, yeah, yeah, And as soon as they get to provote her family, they immediately get to work. They go from door to door, they put up flyers trying to find her, and the Saturday Police they're not getting anywhere. There's just no leads, and they end up investigating her uncles. They end up doing light detectors on both of them, and they don't do well in them. But we know, like, yeah, they're not really reliable. They're not even admissible as evidence to courts, right, And there's a whole wide amount of reasons why someone would fail a light detector test, like, yeah, they're just not reliable because they failed these light detector tests. Like if you look up at leastaves Sagado, like on Reddit, people you'll see a bunch of posts of people like, oh, the uncles are suspicious, The uncles are weird. There was a I don't remember what who did a documentary on the case disappeared, maybe like you know those channels and friends of channels, I Discovery, I don't know, I don't remember, but there was a documentary where, you know, people are interviewed and people are like, oh, her uncles come off as creepy, like they have it has to be them, It has to be them. But they were fully investigated, bank records, phone records, they fully cooperated with police. They they gave everything. They were helped like and I hope that it is common for like the guilty person to participate in searches too, you know, but they were out here helping searching for her, and they fully cooperated with police. They gave their phone records, every type of evidence. They didn't like decline anything, you know, And why do people think they're creepy? Like do you know why? Like why do people think they're weird? People just think they give a creepy vibe in the documentary, but nothing to explain that, like no, no, and and that paired with the like detector tests, people think it was like them, But I don't know, but there's no evidence, right, now supporting that. No, there's no evidence. There's no evidence, and I'm not one to speculate like that, Oh yeah no when there's no evidence. So I'm like, leave them alone. They're grieving too, like yeah, and if they've been cleared, like there's a reason they were cleared. So the investigation into the uncles like slowed down any momentum her case was getting what people donating money, people trying to help search, Like, people just stop doing that when the uncles were investigated and it was all publicized, so the police was like working with the media like updating everyone. So it's just to me, it's sad to see that, like morning, family members who also want to help find their knees are still thought it as guilty right now when you look at this, look this up like on you know, on Reddit and like you know, internet sleuths like, and it's like it's just unnecessary. Also, around this time, whenever our uncles received a ransom call and he was fully prepared to give them money, but he did call police on the way to the bank, and they traced the call to somewhere in Texas, and so this was just a hoax. They didn't have her so the case began to grow cold. A year had gone by, Elizabeth's parents decided that they needed to go back to Mexico to be with the other kids. Two more years went by, and now we're at May eleventh, twenty eighteen. Someone was hiking in Hobble Creek trail and they came across a body. This hiker had gone off trail for a moment to go pee, and that's when they saw remains, and they contacted police. Twelve days after this is when these remains were confirmed to be at least Oh my god. And so now the case is ruled a homicide. And because of where she was found, the case was transferred from the Provo Police Department to the Utah County Sheriff's Office. I did some searching on the location where she was found. From what I read, it's a very very very popular hiking trail. Interesting, which kind of like, what makes you wonder why wasn't she found before? Right? That was my thought right now too, Yes, And this is also fifteen miles from where she was last seen, okay, quite a waye fifteen or fifty fifteen guinte Okay, so like to be to make it the foot when she didn't have a car, right right, it's a little fire for that, but if you have a car, yeah, it's not far. So this area is not just used for hiking. It's also like biking, camping, bonfires, And there's a park at the bottom of this canyon, like it's a there's a park with picnic tables, like a little creek type thing, and then you go you can climb and hike up the trails after them. So like it's a high, high traffic area. So it just seems like if she had been there the entire time, she would have been found, maybe even with people because she was a little off trail, but even with people like this hiker who had to go pee and that and saw her immediately, Like you know, it's it's strange. So one more thing that just could be a weird coincidence but kind of makes you wonder as well, is that the church group she belonged to, the ward I mentioned earlier, had an activity at the bottom of the canyon in the park just like four days before she went missing. This was, you know how I mentioned the minister brother unofficial minister brother of the ward was supposed to give her a ride to this activity and he couldn't because he was sick. This is the activity and it was at the bottom of the creek where she was found. So she did make it to that or well she went to the church event. Oh oh, I thought she didn't make it because he didn't give her a ride. No so much give her a ride? No no, okay, okay, yeah, but she did go to this thing, this church event, and yeah, it was at Creek Canyon at the park there and so unfortunately, whether she was elsewhere and later moved Kreek Kanyon when her remains were found, like, none of this is public information. When the Utah County Sheriff Department took over the case, they've been less cooperative with the public than the Provo Police department. Was. All they released with the autopsy was that for her teeth were knocked out, oh wow, meaning there was probably some sort of trauma inflicted to her face. But that's all they released. They didn't release anything else. For this reason, the Salagalla family hired a private investigator, Jason Jensen, to look into Elizabeth Sangado's case, and so he does update the family and the media every once in a while. So he was the one who found out that Elizabeth had attended a church event just four days before she went missing, and that this was at the park at the bottom of this creek canyon where her body was found. He's the one who made that public. Okay, he also shared that and this might be just like a non issue thing, but he wanted to like make it public anyway. So in March twenty twenty one, he says that his team found a penny right in the middle of where her body was found, and that this penny was sent to a forensics lab by him, and that there was melodna found and of course, like it's a penny. I don't know anyone could have thrown it there. Yeah, I could just be there and it can be probably honestly probably not even related. Yeah, and he thinks it is. And then the sheriff's county says, no, we searched this area and the penny was not there, but it's he thinks it's suspicious that they didn't say anything until he says something like, you know, so I don't know it's and I think that's what happens when there's a lot of like different eyes on the case. Yes, different eyes and then like one group withholding information and one group sharing information. Right, It's just sometimes pis are liars, so that too, like fame hungry whatever, you know. Yeah, the family fully trusts him and hopefully he's not shady like other pis have been known to like make shit up and yeah. Yeah, so the still grieving family, you know, they don't have answers on what happened to Elizabeth, and then they got terrible news. Oh morning, okay, sorry, go ahead, Yeah, Oh what were you gonna say. I was just gonna ask if you can remind me what year it was when her body was found. Oh sorry, okay, twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen. Yeah, but so, you know, they're so grieving, they're still searching for answers on what happened to Alisabeth. And then they learned that Elizabeth's aunt, who also lives in the area, medium Judith Salgado, went missing in August twenty twenty one. How can this happen to two people in the same family and in the same area. Oh my god, that's too much for a family to handle, it really is. Her car was found not long after she went missing on sheep Bridge Road, which is not that far from where Elizabeth was found, about three miles south of Creek Canyon is this bridge, sheep Bridge Road, that's where her car was found, and there were no signs of her. And then on March twenty twenty three, police responded to a call about human remains in the area of Sheep Bridge, so again three miles south of Hubble Creek Canyon where Elizabeth was found, and so based on the belongings found on scene, they said, we suspect that this is medium, and then a few days later the autopsy confirmed it was medium. Salgado. The police did say there was no suspicious circumstances in regards to her death, but that the case was still under investigation. But I mean like her car being found without her in it and then her found later, Yeah, it was it years later, in the months. Okay, sorry, oh no, sorry a couple years. I knew it was years because I actually said thank you. Yeah, I just looked at my notes again. Yeah, that's strange. It is very strange, but also like it's two family members, same area. Yeah, it's terrible for the family. This case is apparently still in their investigation. There's no other news on it. But yeah, another blow to a grieving family. Yeah, and they were growing more and more upset with the investigation. They requested that Elizabeth's body be sent to a different lab who actually reached out to them that they have like they can find more with certain tests or something like that. But also like I mean, at this point, they're probably desperate because the sheriff department isn't sharing any information. Yeah, so they want her sent to a different lab, but the Utah County Sheriff's office refused the request. They cleared her uncles again as suspects in twenty twenty two, even though they had already been cleared by the Provo Police Department. So I'm like, I don't know. I guess they wanted to do their own investigation or redo everything. I don't know, but the family is not happy. They they're not being told what's going on. They want her sent somewhere else for more test scene and you know a lot of times tests are done and then like the sample was so small that like the only one test could be run. So it could be that they just don't have more to send. I don't know, but they are more suspicious because the police is more withholding the Sheriff's department. So Jason Jensen, the private investigator, he shared a new lead. There was a coworker of Elizabeth that came forward, and he says that he thinks his coworker did something. But there's no more information on this at least, like it's not public. Jason Jensen, you know, like I said earlier, he was the one who found out about the church event four days earlier before she went missing, that was at Hobble Creek Kenyon, and he and the family both believe that there's something there, that that event has something to do with her going missing. But this was not the last time she was seen, right, It wasn't the last time she was seeing But they believe there's a connection and she was found there right exactly. He shares that he found out she made plans to return to the park with someone, like a date or something. So they had been unable to find out who this was, just that she had these plans and so that's why they think this event and someone who was at the event possibly has something to do or knows something. They highly suspect her murder has something to do with whoever she wasp was to meet after the church event, but like today, to this day, her and her aunt's case are both unsolved. Wow, and she was last seen. Elizabeth was last seen wearing a red shirt, blue jeans, jean jacket, tall boots. She was carrying a book bag with a red strap. She was twenty six when she went missing. She had long hair, long black hair, brown eyes. She was between five four and five five. She would have been seen last seen walking north from Provo Center Street. Her family, Jason Jensen, and the police are all asking people like if anyone was in the area between West Center Street and twelve hundred North and saw a young Mexican woman, and they would have seen anything, even if it seemed like nothing at the time, Like you know, they're urging people to think back and you know, trying to remember anything if they saw her wave at someone, run into someone, get into a car, anything even if missing normal to contact the Utah County Sheriff Department at eight zero one eight five to one four thousand or Jason Jensen at eight zero one seven five nine two two four eight. And I'm going to share these numbers in the show notes. You never know who could have been there, Yeah, could have seen literally anything her family and Jason Jensen, they're both hopeful that either someone who attended the specific church function that she was at at Kelly Grove Park will remember anything, or even just someone who was at the park that day. It's a busy park. Someone could have information that is crucial to solve in her case, anyone that took pictures that day or couldn't recall anything about the day. It would have been April twelfth, twenty fifteen, because it was four days before she went missing. So Libertan Salgado, her mom, has been talking to the media, has been very outspoken about her her daughter going and she has said that one of the things that has been more the most difficult is that her daughter chose Provo because she felt she would be safe there, that she she would have been surrounded by members of the same faith, and that she believes that it was a member of someone of that same faith that did this to her daughter. And so she has said the following, I am not going to surrender. I want to find the killer. I want justice. I want justice. I have been suffering for years and I will not be content until the police find her killer. And that is the case of Elisave Salgado. Wow, and it's just it's so like, I can't say any better than her own mom said it in her words, But it is truly, truly, just so sad that she chose the city because she thought it was safe, because a community would have been there for her and you know, in her faith. Yeah, and just not even a month, like literally eighteen days, yeah, went by and she was never seen again. Like, yeah, that's terrible. Very that is the end of my parents. To be quick at break and we're back. This is the part where we share speak you recommendations. Do you have any Well I did already mention this book in Issadia's Unknown, but yes, I recommend Killers of the Flower Moon. I didn't read the regular version because my library only had the version adopted for young readers. But it was still good. It was still very interesting, very eye opening, just truly horrible. The depths of white people in that time truly horrific people, honestly, like and we know, right, we know the history, we know the genocide and colonization, and just you know, the book does not shine away from talking about those things. And you know the role that it had in white people believing they were Superior from Indigenous People and yeah, I mean I just really recommend that book and I hope to watch the movie one day when I visit my friend who Apple TV. Yeah, yeah, I don't have any speaky recommendations. I haven't been watching anything new. I decided to finally watch X Files, so I'm in season two now. Interesting. I never really watched that either. Yeah, I didn't either, but MJ talked about it so much Shadow, m Jay, we miss you, and so I'm like, you know what, I'm finally gonna watch it. And I love Molder, you know really the actor David Yeah, I know we have different tastes, but I do love him. Yes, okay, so I'm watching, well for both of them, they're both great. So I'm watching. I like the actress, oh okay, yeah, and she's amazing. I think she looks even better now in her years now. I'm like, how is that possible? Seriously, I wonder the same thing. She's truly truly gorgeous, like I yeah, wow on oh sorry, I'm gonna go like on a little side note, but have you heard all of the rumors of the show and about them too when it was filmy Yeah, I love that I don't know that they hate each other, right, Okay, so no, there was like they hated each other. But also apparently so there's a there's uh I think it was like the Empty Viewers or a show I don't remember what award show that they're like they won, and so there's a part like one of them wins. Who was it? I think it was him, and then he like turns to like hug her and then they like make out in the audience and he goes to get some ward like it was either in front of her husband or his wife. Yeah, I think it was her husband if I remember, yes, yes, Like it's just so funny that they like hitted each other, but then they were like hooking up and then like now when they talk, they still they're like very close. They're very close friends. Still. I saw this thread on Twitter that was like they had the most like ridiculous, most freaky photo shoots, Like if you look up photo shoots that they've been together, Yeah, there's one where she's like standing on his shoulders, and it just doesn't make sense for like the magazines that they're like doing these photo shoots. So honestly, I just I love the drama behind both of them and the sh show, and so that's why I was like, I'm gonna watch this more now, like I'm actually gonna try and watch it because yeah, like we love cheese, man, we love drama, and the cheese may between these two and the drama was there, it was it was popping, and so that was one of my main reasons for wanting to watch The X Files. So maybe I'll watch it too. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. I mean it's like, you know, creepy, creepy topics and like I said, I love a cupaganda show. Like I'm not gonna lie like I do criminal mind, Like yeah, so this is this is a little better because they are investigating the paranormal, right, and they're both hot, like they were just like hot people. So I'm not saying he's not hot. I'm just saying that he didn't do it for me, Okay generally good looking man, yeah for others, for others, not free for me. Yes, yeah yeah yeah. So yeah, that's why I'm watching it. And it's been great. It's been a great rite. I love it. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying that. I am. I am and there's a lot of seasons, so it's gonna keep me busy for a while. What's my lou doing? This? Can't be comfortable. He's sitting but he has one arm like this. He looks chilling. Just yeah, kind of. Oh he's so cute. Okay, well, I guess this is a good place to wrap up. We are finally recording our book Club episode next week, so it'll be out the week after that. What else will be recording that? It'll be out next next week. Probably we'll announce our new book then. But maybe should we just like tell everyone we did pick it? We did? It was Being at that right, Yes, Being at that by Leopold Sorry little Lipold out goat No, sorry I did not its spelled g g o U T. I thought there was an L in there. Oh, anyway, that's the book being at that, Like, there's no missing it. It's not a long book, so maybe we'll get through it faster, you know. Yeah, I'm gonna actually not start in a toy finish Love in the Time of Cholera. I need to finish that. I'm not starting it until we record our book Club episode at least. So yes, that is the book, though, for anyone that wants to get a head started, right, you shouldn't because we take so long, but you know you should not. Yeah, yeah, we'll do whatever you want. And then what else? We should record a Patreon episode, an actual Patreon episode same time too. We haven't done that. Our last Patreon thing was our Denver vlog, which is fun if anyone wants to check that out. Yeah, and I'm gonna be making stickers. I made one or two designs already to send out to the Patreon members, but I probably won't send those out until a week next week probably, so when this comes out, I'll probably probably be sending them out. Any new listeners that maybe found us because of my threads posts or you know, wherever social media. Sometimes I try and promote you know, yeah, so welcome. You know, if you stuck around. I did see someone's message Kyrid. Are they say, oh I said it to you today from last When this comes out, it will be last week's episode. Yes. Yeah. They had commentation on the threads posts that I made, just kind of introducing us. And we're like, hy, we're the host of the Betels, Carmen and Christina. We're twins. We're from Oakland slash modesto very generous and then I posted a picture and a bunch of people found it, and so one person today she tagged us on Threads and said what she got out from the episode is that she wants to hang out with Martha everywhere, Like she's gonna take Martha everywhere. Shout out Martha, Shout out Martha. She is super cool. I'm not gonna lie. She was fun. I loved having her on. It was fun. It's very scary stories. So yeah, anyone that found us through through Threads in the past, you know a couple of weeks, welcome. I hope that you enjoyed the episodes and that brings us to the end of the episode. Thank you everyone. And I don't know if you're ever in Baja California and you're like on that road, make that voyage la was it our Garitaita? Yes? Yeah, and go see her. She deserves a trip. I want to go stay homage to Yes, yes, and stay a spookybo Catch everyone next time. Bye bye,