Legends From Venezuela and the Case of Linda Loaiza

Hi. This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of a Spooky Tale. It's a podcast for all things as pooky, true crime and all that. Yeah, are you tired today? No? I was gonna like say the long version, and then I was like, do I need to? I don't think so? Oh okay, So but no, I'm not like super tired. No. Surprisingly, today we're talking about legends from Venezuela and I have a case roof from Venezuela that is very depressing. So oh wonderful, it's horrible. Yeah, okay, Well, if that's all you're gonna say, we can get into the listener story. We can. Yeah, And if you have a story that you want to send us, you can email as Spookyito's at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of our socials, and you can sibit it on Discord. You can call this Pooky hotline. There's a lot of ways to get it to us. We love receiving them. All right, Okay, so this is from Jessica, who said we could use her name. Hey Jessica, So Jessica says, I have I guess I guess kipt up already starting it Anyway, I have no idea if y'all will ever even see this email, but I just want to start off by saying that I really enjoy your podcast and I recently joined the Discord. Anyway, if you do happen to see this, fear free to use my name. I have lots of creepy, weird, and really just unexplainable things that happened to me throughout my life. So if you were like, I can definitely submit more. Yes, we would like that, we would like, we would The one I want to share with you now, though, is about a house I lived in as a kid. So to start out, let me give you an idea of the location of this home. It was in the sticks. Interesting, I've never heard that expression before, and have you really? Yeah, I feel like the Boonies the sticks. I've heard the Boonies and I've heard like the cuts, but I've never heard the sticks. Can we use the Boonies and the six or not? The six? The Boonies and the cut? Yea more than we ever used the sticks, But I've heard it. I just yeah, Okay, So anyway, this was in the sticks. My mom had remarried and her and my stepdad found this house near the Virginia North Carolina border. They had already been living there for a while before I initially saw the house because I lived with my grandma. So my mom picks me up one day and says, I'm going to show your new house. We drive for what feels like forever, seeing more cows than people, and just acres and acres of farms and tobacco fields. Finally we arrived at the house. As soon as we pull into the driveway, I have this feeling of what I can only describe as uneasiness and sadness. The house is old. I'm talking old school keyholes on the doors for those vintage skeleton keys. Wow. The layout is weird. The room that was supposed to be my room had two doors. You could enter through the door in the hallway across from the living room, and you could exit out of another door that led to the back porch of the house, essentially walking through the room and exiting to the back porch. I always thought this was weird. There were two closets in this room, but the closet were strange because when you open the doors, there wasn't a rod for hangers. Instead, there was a lot of shells. From the top of the closet to the bottom. The entire room was painted blue. The wood, floors, the walls, the ceiling all blue. This room always felt dark, didn't matter if it was in the middle of a bright summer day with the curtains wide open, or the ceiling light and all the lamps were on. You cannot shake the darkness. What I remember most was the overwhelming sadness I felt in my room, just a deep sorrow, and always the feeling of being watched. One night, when I'm in bed, I hear footsteps, heavy steps, and I was expecting my mom or step dout to walk into the room, but the steps continue to get closer until it sounds like it's right next to my bed, but I never see anyone. Then I realized my nose is bleeding. Oh. I start screaming my head off, and my mom comes in the room, freaked out about all the blood coming from my nose and on my pillow. I'm hysterically trying to tell her what happened, but being a parent, she says it was just a vivid dream, even though she's bleeding. Even though she's actively bleeding, I refuse to sleep in the room. She comforts me for a bit, then goes back to her bedroom. I sit in the living room, determined to stay awake until the sun comes up. So I'm watching TV, and we had an entertainment center that had glass doors. In the glass doors, you can see the reflection of the hallway and my bedroom door. I think, I don't like where this is going. I'm scared already. I look at the reflection of the hallway and the entertainment center and I see two people standing there like they're peering around the corner into the living room. No, my miss no, but not trying to be seen. Reminds me of Martha's story, Like no, yeah, the things peaking out of hallways and walls. No, yeah, that's the worst. I freeze, and I think to myself, I know I'm not seeing what I think I'm seeing. I stare for what feels like forever, and they're still there, and they're turning their heads looking at each other like they're having a conversation. No. No, Eventually I get up and sprint to my mom's room and sleep in there. The next day, I go back to my grandma's house and stay with her for the rest of the school, they didn't go back. I don't blame I don't blame them. No either. My mom and stepdad continue to live there until they moved to Florida years later. So fast forward to me now being an adult, and I'm just talking to my mom one day, like, hey, do you remember that weird house we used to live in? And she's like, oh, yeah, when your stepdad and I were moving out, the landlady came to tell us goodbye and settle everything, but she wouldn't come inside the house. Oh no, that's not a good sign. Oh my god, not at all. She asked my mom, did anything strange ever happened in the house, And my mom just looks at her and says, yeah, are you fucking serious right now? Yeah, why didn't you mention this ship before? Yeah, we had some experiences, but she doesn't go into detail. And then the landlady proceeds to tell my mom, Oh, this house used to be a church way back in the day. They would have funerals and there was an old cemetery outback. If you walk far enough into the woods you can find it. And did she not tell them this before? No, they didn't know. Wait, wait, so the things I tell people before it gets worse. Oh my god, guess where the bodies were kept and the wakes were held for these funerals. The fucking blue room. Yes, you know when a room in a house is hunt is painted in one color and like it's a sinister room, like in what is it? Insidious? I don't know what movie it is. Isn't there like a red room or some shit? I don't know the blue room, the red room watching Citio is Oh you shouldn't. The thing is, I never get around to watching scare movies because I like scar movies. I don't like watching them by myself. And the only other person who's always here is, of course my husband, because he lives here and he doesn't like scary movies like yesterday yesterday? Wait wait wait wait wait? Is this story done? So no, hold on, I'll get I'll finished this story my story later. But back to Jessica's story, Yes, thank you. Hence the room having an entrance door and an exit door leading outside to the backport. The closets were for embalming supplies and whatever tools are needed for prepping a body for funerals, and that's why they had all the shelves. The room was painted blue because in the South, the older generations believe painting your ceiling blue, especially the front porch ceiling, would keep the best spirits away. I guess it didn't work for her. Apparently the color is called haunt blue or hand. I'm not sure. It just built ha and T, so it must be hand hand blue, hand being an old Southern word for ghost. Interesting. So when my mom tells me all this, I go home and I do some internet salothing and find out the road the house church was built on is one of the nation's oldest roads, connecting North Carolina to Virginia. And when I say old, I mean old, like pre electricity and cars. So there are pictures of people on this website and covered horse drawn wagons. So that's one of Jessica's stories. And she apologized for it being long, but honestly, we love it. Yes, Jessica girl, we love it. Whichisca has one last paragraph? Oh okay, I've had lots of weird stuff happened to me living in the South. My grandma told me lots of stories about different people in our family and their experiences, like how I had a great great grandfather that was a literal brujo that people would seek out for help. The story of how he met his wife is quite interesting too. Well, Jessica, send us all of your stories and they can make this as long as you need them to be. Yes, also what I was saying, so, yeah, the reason I don't watch that much scary movies is because my husband doesn't like them. And then the other day, I mean, he's been in the mood supposedly for Halloween movies, but we're talking like kid Halloween movies, right, Oh my god, that's so funny, and I can see it, like this is funny. We were on Disney Plus and I was like scrolling through the movies. But also he doesn't like he doesn't like rewatch because I like rewatching the same like set of Halloween and Christmas movies every year, the same ones me too. He doesn't like that, so I'm like, you're really limiting me here. And also he didn't want to watch like Halloween movies he hasn't seen. Like then, what are the options like new kid Halloween movies. There's not a lot. There's not. So yesterday I pute went on from Disney from like last year or twenty twenty one. What was it about a Mummy? It Radio TVG by the way rated? G oh god? Is it under the raps? Yes? It was under the raps? Yeah, so we were watching that. Wow. I have no words. That's sad. Yeah. Yeah, so wow, Like we will live near each other, right, I could watch We could just watch all the movies together with Mummy. Yeah. Like He'll rely watched Hogus Pocus, those ones and Nightmare before Christmas. But that's about it. Like, and I always want to watch, like what is the practical magic? I've never seen it. He never wants to watch it. But anyway, that's my struggle every Halloween and every Christmas. Oh wow, Well you have some legends from Venezuela for us, right I do, Okay, So first up, we have the legend of the fireball aka La cadi Leja. So the legend of La Cadileka comes from the area of Los Janos, which is a stretch of land that goes from southern Venezuela to northern Colombia. This is where the legend of El Silbon and Lasajon are also from. Really maybe because of all the it's like forest, right h or jungle I guess technically like rurally jungly trees, you know, very scary. Yeah, so the legend goes a long time ago, there was a beautiful woman named the Candelaria who had a lovely figure and luscious hair. Her skin was brown and her eyes were blue like the sky. I thought they were going to be brown. I'm sorry. There's something about brown eyes, y'all that we love. Is it because we have brown eyes? The majority of our people have brown eyes. Yes, that is why. As time went on, she got married to a man named Stevan, but her life didn't turn out to be a fairy tale. Instead, she soon came to accept that she married a womanizer and a cheater. Of course, the story the story of many women, many women. Okay, So one day Stevan told his wife that he had to go on a trip to a remote part of the country. Candeladia, now wanting to be alone, begged him to take her with him, but Stevan once again said no, probably because he was going to go meet his second family over there. Yeah, or third, fourth family, we don't know. Know. It's upset with her husband's physician and knowing that he wasn't going to change his mind. Candeladia decided that if she wasn't able to go on the trip, neither would he. Oh okay, Candadida, Oh I support her wrongs. I just feel like it's easier to leave than to whoop back then A no back, then, I take it back, I take it back. So that night, Candeladia prepared her husband a tea and added an extra ingredient poison. Okay, Cyani. So soon her husband fell himself, drifting into sleep until eventually he died. Yeah. Another legend says that Candelaria instead grabbed an axe and chopped her husband into pieces. That's graceful, but okay, not very demure. Oh not at all. This is the opposite of demure. Yeah, mindful axe murder axe, not mindful at all. A little messy, just a bit so either way, Candeladia convinced her sons to help her get rid of her husband's body. Oh I don't know about that. Doesn't this just say what? Okay? I guess it might not say, but right now, the thought that popped in my head was that does this not say what kind of man he was? Because the sons were willing to help the mom hide the body, do you know what I mean. Okay, okay, I can see it. But it could also be that the mom was like abusive in controlling and then they listen to bees to that. It could go either way, but I'm going to go with my first theory. The revengeful woman then began to play the role of a grieving widow in front of the townspeople so no one would suspect the thing. When new admirers would approach her and try to get her attention, Candelaria would tell them that there was only room for one in her heart, her husband, Oh my god. Instead, Gandeladia became possessive of her sons, who eventually became teenagers and helped her take care of her and the household. This made it hard for the young men to find a wife of their own, since their jealous mother would scare away any young lady that came near them. Oh no, as yours went on, her sons lived unhappy lives dedicated to pleasing their mother. Mmmm, that's not healthy Candelardia. Why very boy mom of her? Yeah, so she murdered her husband and became a boy mom. Wow, that's the real horror story. This is the dark side of boy, mom's okay. Eventually the controlling and bitter women died while she was expecting to go to heaven. No way, how did she expect that? And then I come on, get it together. They were never allowed in there. You murdered, You murdered your husband. So when it keep to confront God about her actions, God decided to punish her for not allowing her sons to find a wife or happiness. Oh oh oh, so not for the murder. Murder is okay, okay, okay. Not letting your sons live their lives. That's the okay, that's the real sin, real sin. Wow. Yeah, wow, okay, I'm a little surprised me too. That was a turn I didn't expect. Yeah. So God decided that Candeladia would instead become a ball of fire for the rest of eternity. Her soul would not be allowed to rest, and instead, her eternal soul would be trapped in a ball of fire with the sole purpose of scaring men who stray far from their home at night. I'm sorry now, she was doing it life too though, to her sons, like not letting them stray at all from home. Yeah, and that's what she was doing okay, and she's just doing that in the afterlife. More of the same for her. But now she's a fireball. Yep. So if you're a man who might be out at night, perhaps thinking about cheating on your wife, be careful you don't come across Candelaria. If you are unlucky to come across her, it said that she'd appear as a bright ball of fire with three flames that's followed by an intense sound and shaking. Other parts of the country though, believe that Candelaria has a different origin. Some say that Candelaria is the spirit of an old woman who didn't properly raise her two sons. She let her sons run wild, disrespect the townspeople, and even use her as a mule to carry them around. Wow. Wait, I let my nephews see that. Now wait a minute, Oh my god, am I going to be punished? When the old woman died, God punished her for not raising her children right and forced her to be a battle of fire comprised of three flames which represent her and her two sons. Yet, some locals believe that Gandelaria is a woman who burned in her home with her two sons. Oh regardless if you come across the gandelaria, don't bother praying or asking for God's help since it said that this only triggers her and makes a bigger ball of fire. Okay, wow, yeah, I could see why that would trigger her since it was God who gave her that punishment. Yeah that guy, bitch, what excuse me? You think it's going to help you? There is no God here. Creepiest line ever. Yeah, okay. Next we have the legend of the Anima Sola. The Anima sola is said to be an apparition or soul in purgatory that dedicates eternity to doing harm to others. According to legend, the Anima Sola is supposedly the soul of Celestina Avegano, a woman who was part of the crowd of onlookers who witnessed jesus crucifixion. Interesting, what she's doing there? She mean them like what she did in Venezuela and not in the Middle East. Right, So it said that later that evening, you know, after she watched this who was being crucified, Celestina went to the hill where Jesus and two others were crucified on she approached the men besides Jesus and gave them water, but out of fear, did not give Jesus any water. For this act that she was punished and sentenced to purgatory, where she would burn and experienced thirst forever. In Venezuela. Yeah, in Venezuela, the Anima Sola is well known, and people in that country say she's a powerful and revengeful soul with the ability to move objects with her mind. It's said that when she appears before people, she looks like a young, beautiful woman who had time. Also appears in chains and surrounded by flames. Many in Venezuela who are desperate for a miracle also reach out to her and offer her a gift and return for a miracle or favor. But I said before, the Anima Sola is revengeful and if at any moment a person forgets to keep their end of the deal, the Anima Sola is said to appear and seek revenge, sometimes even killing those who had wronged her and dragging their soul to help wow. One famous account tells the story of an older lady who forgot one night to light the candles she promised to light for the Anima Sola. On that night, the woman was home when someone ranging her doorbell. When the lady opened the door, she saw it was an old friend of hers. Delighted by the visit, the woman welcomed her friend into her home. But as soon as her friend enter the living room, she turned into a large, dark shadow that quickly pulled the old woman by her hair. Wow, poor woman, horri fine, it just gets worse. Oh God. The large shadow then repeatedly beat the woman, and so she was covered in blood. I didn't expect the helder abuse from Nima. You can expect anything spiritual elder abuse. Yeah. The fragile old lady, with the little strengths she had left, crawled into the room where her dad was and lit the candle she forgot to light. She got on her knees and begged the Anima Sola to forgive her for forgetting to light the candle. The shadow then disappeared, and the old lady promised the Anima Sola once again that she would never forget to light a candle in her name, and it said. The woman lit the candle for the Anima Sola until she died bit with a beating. I would forget Ei there. Oh my god, it was just one night that she forgot. I would be dead. I would have forgotten so much, even if it can be like yes, yeah, I wouldn't. Oh my god, poor lady. Okay, So next week have the legend of the revengeful woman from La Pastora. And that's just her name. Okay, I'm loving all these women except the elderlys. That's kind of like that was a little messed up. Yeah, but you know what, she she could have ended it right then and there, and she did it right. She's around the beating when the old lady let the candle like she was opposed to. So I guess, yeah, I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying I understand that. Oh my god. Okay. So this revengeful woman from Lapastora, in the region of La Pastora Karakas. There's the story of a young woman who was the daughter of a very Catholic woman. Started out wrong. Now, yeah, this is already like I don't know about this. Yeah. So one day the young woman found out her fiance was cheating on her. Heartbroken and desperate to punish her partner for what he did to her, she went searching for a witch she could help her invoke satanas. Oh all right. When the witch summoned Satan, the woman offered him her soul if he would help her get revenge on her two timey boyfriends or fiance. Satan accepted the deal, and at that very moment, once the deal was sealed, two horns grew out of the woman's head and the woman became instantly mute. Ah, what kind of revenge is this? Yeah, but she didn't care, because now she had the power to punish the man who had broken her heart, so she went out in search of vengeance. Later on, when the devil came across the woman again, he was shocked by the harsh and painful death the woman put her ex fiance through. Ooh, okay wow. Impressed by her evilness, the devil allowed the woman to stay on earth where she can continue to punish those who cheat. Okay, woman from La Pastora, I'm here for it. Yeah, I'm not against it. Wow. I just wasn't expecting that. No, Yeah, that was that was wild. Usually deals with the devil don't go die. Well, so that's what she wanted. She wanted to get revenge, and then she was able to keep getting revenge and other cheating men. So her dreams came true. Yeah, and like we say, support her rights and her wrongs. That was the last one. Oh okay, wow, very interesting our women legends too, Yeah, loved it. Okay, wow, Hey feminism Okay, Venezuela, we see you. Okay. 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Okay, I hadn't heard of it before I started googling cases from Venezuela. And why did they keep it in Venezuela in this episode? So, Linda Loisa Lopez was born on the twelfth flow December nineteen eighty two in Asulita, Merida, Venezuela. Her dad was a farm worker and her mom stayed at home and raised their twelve children. Wow, big family. Yeah, Linda was the second oldest and there was I think we can guess, but a lower income household, and the family had immigrated from Colombia to try and provide a better life for their children in Venezuela. It was Linda's dream to become a tenant. I can't say this, fuck areen, Yes, thank you? And you know she was eighteen. She had recently graduated high school, so she was going to make that dream happen. She had always been a hard working person and when she told her family that she wanted to become a vet, they all supported her. Linda needed to move from their small town to the big city of Caracas to attend laou universityda Centrale Venezuela, the Central University of Venezuela. And because they were so close, her older sister, Ana Secilia, moved to the city with her so she wouldn't be by herself. That's nice, yeah, isn't it, And so she would still have her big sister with her. And I believe they were like two years apart. So at this time her sister was twenty and she was eighteen, and so they rented an apartment in Karakas together and not long after arriving in the city, in fact, just one month after arriving, on March twenty seven, two thousand and one, things went completely wrong. So an Acesilia went to run her errands, groceries things like that, while Linda got ready for the day, and Linda had been planning on heading to the university to do paperwork or things she needed to get done before her classes actually started because they were about to start, so she was getting ready for that, and so they went their separate ways and Ascesilia returned from her errands to their shared department in the afternoon, and Linda was not back yet, and she found this odd, but she didn't think much of it. She was like, Okay, maybe she met someone at the university, but it was still kind of weird to her because they were new to the city and they hadn't done much like, oh, let's go meet people, so it's not like she knew anyone. Ten hours went by and now an as Sicilia was really worried and she went down to the local police station to try and report her sister missing, and the police told her that she needed to wait forty eight hours to report someone missing. Then they also told her that Linda was probably just she probably just ran out with her boyfriend or something, and that they weren't going to get involved with a lover squirrel. Did she even have a boyfriend? No, they were branding to the city, and was like, no, but she doesn't have a boyfriend, and they didn't care. No, they were like, no, she probably doesn't. You just don't know about it, so that's ridiculous, very and so they didn't listen. Anascilia had to go back to their apartment and she just didn't know what to do. Two days later, she got a phone call and it was a man who told her he was Linda's boyfriend and that Linda was fine, but she didn't want to talk to her that she was with him now and she didn't want to go back. And I'm not sure about this part. Every thing I read or watched or listened to about this part said that it was like a block number. But somehow she like I don't know, press like called back a bunch of times until it eventually worked something like that. And I don't really understand this part of it. But somehow she was able to call back after trying for a long time and showed her caller ID with the name Louis Antonio Carrera al Moyna. And I mean, like, I know, back then you could like no, I mean, you could block numbers yourself, your own number by like putting like star what was it eighty something? I don't remember, But I just I don't understand how she got the number or got like, you know, was able to call back. There was a way to unblock them too, Okay, so that must have been what she did. I just don't remember it much. I remember prank calling and things, but like I don't remember, yeah much anymore about old phones. So she was able to call the number back, and then she was able to see a caller idea with that name and with this information, and a Cecilia went back to the local police. She gave him the phone number and the name, and they reassured her that they would follow up. But I think we all know where this is going. Yeah, they didn't do anything, and it took an additional four trips from Cecilia to go back for them to actually open an investigation. Wow, And how much time I had passed at this by this point, Probably a week or two, okay, maybe maybe a couple of weeks something like that. So finally, you know, a couple of weeks later there was some news. Louise called Ana Cecilia again and told them to leave them both alone and hung up. And then she got another call right after that, and this time it was Linda and she told Ana Cecilia to leave her alone, that she wants to be with Louise now, of course, and a Csilia didn't believe this, yeah, because her sister wouldn't just leave like this. Still, the police, they weren't doing anything, and Cecilia went to the I want to say, probably like the next bigger police department and filed the report with that department. And now neither department was doing anything. Oh my God, and if they were, they weren't sharing anything. But it really more likely is that they weren't investigating anything at all. Four months went by and this whole time, and a Cecilia was trying to, you know, see what was happening and go to the police. The whole time they were like, no, it's her boyfriend. So four months went by and one afternoon, July twenty second, Anasisiya got to her apartment and the front desk and it's not it's not called the front desk, but like you know, if you're in an apartment, there's a place where you if they can't find your apartment, they leave your package, like in an office, you know, yeah, yeah, Like so it was like an office for the apartments they lived in. And they handed her a letter. She opened it and it said that her sister had been found and that she was in the hospital Clnico University TiO University, Venezuela, so the hospital at the university in Caracas. And so she immediately left and went to go see her sister. When she got to the fifth floor of the hospital, she could not believe what she was seeing. It was Linda, her sister, in the hospital bed but she was in terrible shape. Linda looked malnourished. Her eyes were bruised, swollen. One of her eyes were It wasn't like straight anymore. It was like just like loose in her eye socket. Oh my god. Her jaw was broken and she couldn't talk because of the broken jaw. She was bruised all over, her limbs had partial burns. And this is just what Anna Cecilia could visibly see. But her injuries were far more severe. The hospital said that Linda should be dead, that's how bad she was. Like they couldn't believe that she was alive. Doctors compared her injuries to a traumatic car accident. Oh wow, and this part is terrible. And this is the total list of injuries. She was disfigured, malnourished. Her right eye formed a counteract and was loose in her eye socket. Her jaw had three fracture fractures. Both of her ears were disfigured with chronic injuries from continued beatings. There was internal bleeding in her abdomen. She had cigarette burns everywhere, including her breasts. One of her nipples was cut off completely. She had tarrying in her uterus. Her nose was broken. She was hospitalized for one full year, and she underwent sixteen surgeries, including several facial reconstruction surgeries. It took her six months to learn how to walk again. When Ascilia got that letter, she had already been in the hospital for three days. What she got one letter? When Ascilia was notified that was found she had already been in the hospital for three days yet, Okay, because they notify her real letter and letter is not immediate right, Oh wow? I mean they could have called her, right, you would think, I don't know, maybe they were trying to find out who she was. Yeah, yeah, terrible. So after that, it took another four months to find out what actually happened because for some reason, police would not allow Linda to speak with her lawyer about anything. What. Yeah, and even the fact they could do this is shocking to me. What would even be the reason for that. They kept saying there was like an investigation. She wasn't allowed to say anything. But it's like, Okay, that's her lawyer, that's like a legal right. You just stop her. Yeah yeah, But somehow they did what And even during that time, they also didn't let her see her family again they kept saying because the investigation was open, and that just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, So during those four months she only saw her family like two times. Oh wow. And then finally they allowed her to talk to her lawyer and that's how everyone find out what took place on the day she was kidnapped, the day she went missing, which again was March March twenty. On the day she went missing, Linda was on her way out of the apartment when she noticed a man was following her and she know she tried to keep walking, but suddenly she felt a gun on her back. Oh my gosh, and he told her if she didn't follow his instructions, he would kill her. And then he made her get in his car and took her to a hotel named Aventura, where he beat her. This is terrible, very very And at that hotel he beat her made her eat soap, which is what, like why just because he could, I guess. After a few days there, he took her to his apartment in Rosal, Caracas, so a neighborhood in Caracas, and then he locked her in the room. This is where he physically and psychologically abused her, starved her. The beatings got worse every time Linda, Linda's sister so Ana Cecilia, tried to either call him back or went to the police. Like the more she went to the police, the worst he treated Linda. Oh my god. But how did he know that she was going to the police. I feel that he was being notified? Interesting. Yeah. At one point he showed Linda pictures of other women and told her that he killed them too, and if she didn't listen, that she would be one of these women, and that he just got away with killing them, and it was eight women. He told her that he had already killed and Linda spent her days either tied in the closet, tied to a bed, or tied in the bathroom. If he wasn't the one who sexually abused her, then he was trafficking her as well, Oh my god. And she was only allowed to eat scraps or leftovers that he didn't want. On July nineteenth, her captor noticed that Linda was looking really, really really bad. Like to him, she looked almost dead. She was so weak and injured, and so he was like, all right, she's like no danger. He untighter propped her to a chair and then he made a phone call to his dad and he told his dad on the phone that he wanted him to bring black trash backs to him because he planned to get rid of Linda, that she wasn't useful to him anymore. And then he left his apartment, and because she already looked so dead to him, he didn't think she was going to do anything, so he left his apartment left her untied. So this is when she dragged herself to the balcony, opened the door, and then started to scream at the top of her lungs for help. And just the fact she had the strategy to energy. Yeah, yeah, like that's insane, because she was in such bad shape. Neighbors heard her screams and they called the police, and so firefighters and the police responded together. They tried to get her out through the balcony was a ladder, but then eventually the ladder, not the ladder, the owner of the building was able to unknock the door for them and they were able to just put her on, you know, like a gurney and take her out that way, and the neighbors couldn't hear like the beating. That's what I'm wondering maybe not, I don't know, or maybe they didn't want to get involved. I mean, it could be a possibility that they didn't maybe like, yeah, we just don't know, but maybe, yeah, maybe they couldn't hear it, because it wasn't until she opened the doors and like screamed at the top of her lungs and they helped her right away. Yeah, so yeah, maybe they couldn't hear. I don't know, I'm wondering. So then she was taking it to the hospital after that, and as soon as she got to the hospital hospital, she named the man who did this to her, and also her sister also had already known who it was. Her sister already told the police, and when Linda got to the hospital, she gave them the same name, Louis Garera al Moyna, and they weren't doing anything about it. Understand he happened to be the son of a very famous writer slash professor or director of a university slash had very deep political connections in the country. Oh my god, I kept wondering, like, what the fuck and what the fuck and what the fuck is going on that they're not doing shit? And now it makes sense, but I'm sorry. If if I had a son and he was out there doing horrible shit, Look, it doesn't matter, that's my son. I turned him in myself. Yeah, I would take him back. There's probably a man who does not value a woman, and so I guess it's fine with the psychopath of a son he raised or whatever. Right, it doesn't matter to him. Hm. Wow. So yeah, that's why it took authorities a long time to even pretend to investigate him, because even when they opened it an investigation, it wasn't they weren't. They still weren't doing anything that during this time, while he was even called Bryan, that he was untouchable because of his father's political connections. That's unbelievable. I mean, it's believable, but you know what I mean, Like, I can't right now. So, even though she had already named him, police later went to her hospital room and told her that she was not allowed to name him as the perpetrator, that he was innocent, and apparently Louise was going around claiming that they were in a relationship. She was a sex worker. He actually found her because she had put her She had advertised her services in the newspaper even if that was true, that doesn't give him the right to beat the shit out of her, Like, come on, like, it's still it still doesn't matter. It's still abuse, even if they were in a quote unquote relationship, which they were not. He even showed police officers the newspaper clipping of her alleged advertisement. I mean, it's like, it's not real. She was made up, like you typed up somebody, Like what the hell? Apparently something I don't know. But like you said, even if she was, it doesn't matter. He claims that she came to his apartment injured, like in that state that she was in, and he was taking care of her. That's so stupid, because any reasonable person would have taken someone in that condition to the hospital right away, immediately, right. That's exactly what I was gonna say. If someone showed up to your door like that, why would you try to take care of them herself? Why wouldn't you. I would have been like, I can't do this, I'm young, doctor, you need medical care. Except obviously he was lying. Yeah. Yeah, And three years after her rescue and with the statute of limitations nearing, Linda was still seeking justice. Oh my god, So she went on a hunger strike on the steps of the Supreme Court. Wow, Venezuela, demanding charges to be filed. And she did this hunger strike having just had a surgery for her pancreas. Wow. And due to the public attention that her hunger strike was bringing, they finally pressed charges and the case went to trial. But I can't, I can't even this is fucking this is fucking terrible. So the trial, you know, it finally went to trial, and you think, Okay, finally justice. But no. During the trial, Linda was subject to re victimization and was blamed for her own captivity. The defense claimed she was a sex worker and she clearly enjoyed it. They called her name No okay, yeah, thank you. No one would enjoy be be to near death, Like, come on, she was disfigured, she was burned. Like even if people because people are into like pain play whatever they call it, Like that's fine, Like people can be into whatever, but not to the point where they're actually in about to die danger and about to die like this is so ridiculous. Yeah, and again, even if she was a sex worker, this is still abuse. It doesn't matter. Oh my god. They called her names, and they said she was a slut, they called her promiscuous, all the words, you know, all the words used during trials on women. Aside, I mean, there was obvious evidence aside from Linda's testimony. The apartment was full of her blood that was matched to Linda. That's how much she had been injured. Oh my god, how do you explain that exactly? And so usually crimes like these take months to go through trial. It takes months for the for like the whole thing, everyone to testify, evidence to be presented, experts, things like that. This one only lasted a few days. On November fifth, two four, Judge grossac Gadis not a woman, Yes, a woman acquitted Louise Garera. What the fuck? She was not a girl's girl, to say the least, to say the least. Yeah, she was a fucking bit. No so in evil bitch is what she was. Okay, go on, unless she was under threat, I don't know, Okay, yeah, we don't know. She could have been under threat. We don't know. But Judge Rosacadis claimed there was reasonable doubt, and then she said Linda, her sister, and her father should be investigated for operating a sex work ring. What the fuck she was walking and she was kidnapped, Like, what the hell? Their dad didn't even live with them? Yeah, my god. And because because the judge said those words, a legal case was opened for defamation against her abuser, Louis Carrera, and to investigate this supposed sex ring. Okay, but they also opened up a civil case for defamation, defamation against the judge against Louise. They opened one saying that Linda was defaming Louis Carrera for what her abuser, for accusing him of being an abuser. Oh my god, Oh my god. I thought this was a new this was a new play in the playbook. No, no, I didn't know. This was an old move in the playbook. Yeah, Johnny deb was not the first to do it. No, wow. Yeah, now now there was a legal case again to Lynda Loisa. Oh my god, I don't even like have the word, like the words to describe how man I am right now, Yeah, okay, go on, It's just I couldn't believe it. So yeah, now there was a legal case open against Lena Loisa, who almost fucking died at the hands of this man, like unbelievable. So Linda has or Lena Loysa said that she felt she was the person on trial, not her abuser. Oh, it was such a such a common sentiment that should not be a common sentiment. Yeah. She stated it was the most tragic moment of the whole process because this was the moment that she realized she wasn't facing just her abuser, she was facing an entire system that was against her. Oh. Oh my god. This reminds me of the book No My Name by Chanelle Miller. It's her memoir the survivor of brock Turner. That bitch Brock, Yeah, that bitch as brock Turner. Yeah. And so she talks about that a lot in the memoir about feeling like she was the one being put on trial. It's terrible, and being up against like the whole system. Yeah. So Linda Loisa obviously appealed this. Fifty nine judges refused to hear the case. Finally, in two thousand and six there was a retrial, and this time he was finally sentenced with six years and one month. Wow, not for the sexual or physical abuse. The charge was depriving someone of their freedom. Okay, the kidnapping in the yeah, but not the torture, rape, sexual violence or attempted murder. Wow. Did they just not bring those charges forward or they just drop them? Oh yeah, they dropped them. Wow. So he, you know, went to the Roveo Jail in Venezuela, but he was released in two thousand and nine for good behavior. So not the full six years either, not the full six years no. Wow. Yeah. And at this point, you know, it's been years since she survived her attack, her captivity, and still there was no justice because this man only faced one charge for what he did to her, nothing else. And by now, by this time, Linda had become a lawyer herself. Wow. Yes. And she took the case out of Venezuela and to the Inter American Commission on Human Rights. I love this court usually they do the right thing right. Anytime I looked into things like for third as unknown and they're mentioned, it's a good thing, good outcome. So I'll just leave it at that. I'm scared to say anything's good now because this whole thing has been like just depressing, shit, fucked up things one after the other. Yeah. Okay, So Linda wanted to be the one to bring her own case to the Commission, set of relying on a legal organization to do it. She graduated law school on twenty eleven, and then she enrolled in a post graduate double specialization in international and human rights law. Wow. Wow, wow, I'm amazed. I mean, for anyone to accomplish this is huge ripe or for someone who had experienced so much trauma and too, it's hard to live with trauma and I don't know. For her to be able to do that, that's amazing. Yeah, and less than one in one hundred successful petitions to the Commission make it to court. And knowing this, she still needed to try the Washington Center for Justice and International Law and the Venezuelan Venezuelan Committee of Relatives of Victims of the events of February and March nineteen ninety nine. It's an organization. Oh what is that for? I need to look into that. I don't know. I am assue, mean, something happened. This sounds like a whole thing. Okay, well yeah, let's break that down. Known. Yes, yeah, So they joined her as co petitioners and also offered pro bono legal support. Amazing, amazing, Yes, and her petition to the Commission was accepted in March twenty fifteen, Linda Loaisa testified before the IACCHR. I'm abbreviating that I've been very long. Her case happened to be the first case involving gender based violence against the state of Venezuela to be heard. Wow. The commission concluded that Linda did not have equal access to justice and she suffered re victimization. And then this the court elevated her case to the Inter American Court. Oh. Sorry, so this is a commission, the commission. Here is the case, and then it goes to court. Okay, to see if it goes to court. Okay, okay, Yeah, this is the commission. It was heard by the commission. They elevated it to the court, the Inner American Court, and that's why her goal was to take it to court. Yes. So on February sixth, twenty eighteen, Oh my god, like this is a whole lifetime after like it's so long decades. Yeah, Linda sat before the seven judges of the Inner American Court of Human Rights and she said to them, it is important that you value my testimony. I come here now because I trust you and I expect justice and more. Of her opening statement, my voice is that of many women in Venezuela and Latin America who have not been able to report the events of which they have been victims. I am outraged because it is impossible to access justice in my country. I was forced to study law to fight for my cause. It's important that you value my testimony. The path traveled has not been far from simple or straight. It was not easy to get here, but I came because I trust the system. I hope not to receive the answers that the Venezuelan judiciary gave me, which never investigated the facts, just because my attacker was the son of a person with power. Venezuela's legal representative apologized and acknowledged that le that did not have access to justice under conditions of equality. The courts ordered are the courts. The court ordered the State of Venezuela to compensate Linda Louisa and her family by covering the costs of her lifelong medical and psychological care good. They also ordered the State of Venezuela to acknowledge its responsibility publicly and to establish a national gender violence curriculum named after Linda Loisa. And this ruling is the first within the inter American system to classify violence against a woman at the hands of an individual as torture. Wow. It's also said a historic president in terms of violence against women and discrimination they face in the justice system. Yeah. And Linda called the ruling a triumph of justice only if the State of Venezuela actually fulfills it. Yeah. And unfortunately, Venezuela does not have the best record of adhering to these types of rulings. I tried to search and search, and I could not find any other information on if they have actually done this. So I'm sure that if you can't find it, because they haven't. Right. She has said that when the State of Venezuela executes the full content of the sentence, I'll be able to speak about justice. Until then, impunity persists. Wow. And She also says that she was encouraged by the Me Too movement and that she holds her story inspires others to report violence and seek justice. She continues her work in advocacy for women in Venezuela. One lawyer who works with her on her case has said the following about Linda, she has managed to transcend her own personal story in favor of a collective quest a well deserved and recognized human rights defender, Linda as an example of courage, persistence, and resistance. Truly, truly. Yeah, and of course there's you know, still work left to be done. Like I said, Venezuela, I can't find information on whether they've done their fulfilled their sentence. Violence against women increased after COVID worldwide, but especially in Latin America and of course Venezuela. And this statistic is like, oh my god, almost ten years old. Now I can't find it a new one specifically for Venezuela. But from the seventy thousand, seven hundred and sixty three complaints of violence against women, only zero point seven percent make it a trial. Can you say the percentage again? Zero point seven Oh my god out of basically seventy thousand. Wow. And you know that's that they make it a trial. And if they make it's a trial and face the same kind of fucking trial that Linda did, then like what does that tell you? That's just awful? Yeah, yeah, this whole thing was awful. That's what I'm sorry to everyone. But I felt that her story was very important, especially because we were talking about you know, we're sharing fund spooky legends from Venezuela. No no, and you know what, it's such an important story to tell always. But I mean, not that violence against women ever gets I don't know. I feel like it has to get better. But recently we've heard headlines of violence against women like at our nationally and here in the United States. Actually I don't remember anything from the United States. But there was that man or do you know what I'm talking about, that man who was basically drugging his wife and exploiting her to any man that wanted to rape her. Oh my god. Where was this. I believe this was in France and she testified against him in court. Such a brave woman to do that. They were married for years, decades, Oh my god. Yeah, so just awful, awful stuff. And then the Olympic runner who was set on fire by her partner husband in front of their kids. Also in Beaverit in Oregon. A nurse, twenty seven year old nurse. She had just gotten married late August. She was waiting on housing to move to her husband move finally moved with her husband to Fort Lewis. She was waiting on that to finally be able to go move with her husband. She was killed by her neighbor, a man. She was a nurse. Wow, it just happened. But yeah, I mean, and so so often, like violence against women never is never depicted or categorized as like hate crime, right or as you know, like a hate based violence or anything like that. But men who do this kind of stuff to women, they hate women, So like it should be right, it should be oh, like you sent in our group chat, another Danity Caine member came forward to press charges against p Diddy. Yeah done, Richard that's her name. Yeah, I mean, like violence against women is so normalized, yeah, joked about, and it's serious. It's a very serious, torrible thing that like no one should have to face. Yeah. So yeah, that's why I wanted to share her story and to share that she's still she's still working for protecting women and their rights in Venezuela, which is like amazing ever her to be able to do after everything she went through. Yeah. Well, yeah, that brings us to the end of the episode. We'll take a quick ad break here and anyway, yes, speaky recommendations. I'll go first, because Carmen's taking a giant sip of water. Whatever you're drinking. What are you drinking? Actually it's water water water in here. Okay, I finally, and I feel like I'm so late to this, but I finally watched Abigail Melissa Burra's new movie, Newish movie. Oh I've never even heard of that. Oh my god, where have you been? Anyway? It was so fun. It was such a fun watch. I think everyone knows by now, but you know, skip ahead of the seconds if you don't want spoilers. But it is a vampire movie. Oh and it's so funny because they know they know what they're doing. It's so funny because there's a part where they're like, Okay, well what do we know about vampires? And I just love when movies are so self aware. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I see my favorite thing and that's my favorite thing ever. But also there has it has its scary moments, it's never told. The parts where they're like fighting the vampire amazing. Also so the cast top notch, Melissa Burra, love her, she's amazing. It also has this white guy that I just love and I don't know if you even wonder it is me? What is he been on? Of course I can't remember his name. Okay, so Dan Stevens is his name, and so he's been on Legion is a show. I don't think you watched them, but he was on Huh can you see me a picture? Oh? Yeah, yeah, but yeah Legion? What else? I mean, that's the main thing I knew him for, but a lot of movies and shows. Oh, I've never seen him before. Oh okay, Well I love this man. So he was a fun addition to the movie. He's also like a perfect villain. And okay, so he's a vampire. Just he I won't say more than that, but yeah, very fun movie. Also, the guy from Breaking Bad, the one just no, no no, he's also a bad guy and Breaking Bad I only know so many I didn't like watching that show. I mean I tried to get into that show and I didn't like it. Giancarlo Esposito Oh okay, I know I've seen him before. He's always a villain. He's all, yeah, exactly. I just you know, the perfect perfect cast scene for this movie. Rip Angus Kloud. He's in it. He's a kid from Euphoria who was from Oakland. He's in it. So yeah, I mean it was just it's a very fun movie. I definitely recommend it. I mean, it's honestly like perfect for his book season and if you know, I feel like vampires, so it was fun. I highly recommend it. Okay, Okay, I think Paul would watch that probably because like when it's like vampire stuff, like I think it's like mostly like ghots he doesn't watch and slasher movies. He didn't like those either. Okay, you should watch it then? Cool? Cool? Is that it? That's my spooky recommendation. Yeah, okay, So I've been listening to a lot of audiobooks. The last spooky one that I finished let me just stumble check because I feel like I finished another one in between. You need to start reading, and that's what you need to do. I told you on chapter seven that I'm finishing Oh you already started. Yeah. Anyway, I told you that I'm finishing Love in the Time of Cholera that I hate. I listened to this book called Mother Thing. Have you heard of it? I have heard of it. I've seen the cover. It looks oh yeah, I said this thing. Yeah, but before that, I had to come across the two. I first saw it like a while ago, and what caught my eye was the cover. I do judge books by their cover. I mean, that's why they're there, right to judge them. And it caught my eye because it's so spooky looking and it was interesting. So there's like a feel like a category of it's not really a genre, but there's like a category of books are like unhinged woman loses it right, and this really fits in there. Okay, I love those books me too. I love an unhinged woman and loses it, And it's a variety of unhinged woman loses it right, like I feel like was the last one. I the eyes of the good part, our best part probably is right good part, the best part the unhinged woman loses it, goes on a killing spree, becomes a serial killer, gone girl. I would put that under unhinged woman loses it and gets the worst kind of revenge. So yeah, I would classify this under that, although she loses it in a different way and it's very like rambling like her mind. But I liked it. I liked it. Okay, let me read the synopsis in case people want to listen to it. So, when Ralph and Abby Lamb move in with Ralph's mother Laura, Abby hopes it's just what she and her mother in law need to finally connect if they're a traumatic childhood. Abby is desperate for a mother figure, especially now that she and Ralph are trying to become parents themselves. Abby just has so much love to give to Ralph, to Laura, and to Missus Bondi, her favorite resident at the long term care home where she works. But Laura isn't interested in bonding with her daughter in law. She's venomous and cruel, especially to Abby, and life with her is hellish ooh. When Laura takes her own life, her ghost haunts Abby and Ralph in very different ways. Ralph is plunged into depression, and Abby is terrorized by a forced intent on destroying everything she loves. To make matters worse, Missus Bondie's daughter is threatening to move Missus Bondi from the home, leaving Abby totally alone. With everything on the line, Abby comes up with a chilling plan that will allow her to keep Missus Bondi, rescue Ralph from his tortured mind, and break Laura's hold on the family for good. All it requires is a little ingenuity, a lot of determination, and a unique recipe for Chicken a La King interesting. So yeah, I could see people not liking it because of how much she rambles and how much like her thoughts in her seed with like the story. I guess, oh, but I like that kind of stuff sometimes sometimes yeah, when it's like interesting, usually when it's a man, I'm not interested now, And another thing like you don't know what is real and what's not, like if she really yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Ain is like kind of like confusing because you're like, did she do that or not? But I won't say more than this is real. Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. I liked it. And then I also read or listened to What Moves the Dead and What Feasts at Night, so it's like a series and I don't know there's more, but this is all there was on Libby and these were they were okay. I liked What Feasts at Night. Better read the snops of that in case people want to listen to that or read it. Also, what comment I was the cover? Did I say it's by T. Kingfisher yet? No? Okay? That name of the author also called my eye. I was like, what a cool name? So it says from T. King Fisher, the award winning author of The Twisted One. Oh they have other books. Comes What Moves the Dead, a gripping an atmospheric retelling of Edgar Allen Poet's classic The Fall of the House of Usher. So that's also what caught my eye. Okay, yeah, it's already caught my eye. So it was good. I don't want to say it was bad or anything. So when Alex Easton, a retired soldier, receives word that their childhood friend Madeleine Usher is dying, they raise to the ancestral home of the Ushers in the remote countryside of Ruretania. When they find there was a nightmare of fungal growths and possessed wildlife surrounding a dark pulsine lake. What they find out when they find me bad. I love fungus in books, Yes, so I like that part too. Madeleine sleepbox and speaks, speaks in strange voices at night, and her brother Roderick, is consumed with the mysterious malady of the nerves. Aided by a redoubtable British mycologist and a baffled American doctor, Alex must unravel the secret of the House of Usher before it consumes them all. So I guess it was good there, But there was a lot of like I guess, like world building because it is a series and so a lot of like background and context on the main character is provided, which is fine, it's necessary. But things really picked up at the end and it was wild. So I really liked it once things got up. Yeah, And okay, second one is what Feasts that Night, So then this one is about retired soldier Alex Easton returns in a horrifying new adventure. After their terrifying ordeal at the usher Manor, Alex Easton feels as if they just survived another war. All they crave is rest, routine and sunshine, but instead, as a favorite to Angus and Miss Potter and their characters from the first one, they find themselves heading to their family hunting lodge deep in the cold, damp forests of their home country, Galacia. Theory one can find relaxation and even the coldest and dampest of Galician atoms. But when Easton arrives, they find the caretaker dead, the lodge in disarray, and the grounds troubled by strange, uncanny silence. The villagers whisper that a breaststealing monster from folklore has taken up residence in Easton's home. Easton knows better than to put too much stock in local superstitions, but they can tell that something is not quite right in their home or in their dreams. So I think I like this one better because of the folklore and what the spookiness I guess was like based on. So okay, but I mean, you know, we love a fungy story, we love a folklore haunting. Also, the main character is what's called in you know that that series, a sworn soldier, so like a trans person. I guess they explain it in the book better than I'll be able to explain it. So I'll just you know, if you if you people want to read more like books about LGBTQ characters queer characters, then this would be a good one to check out. Cool okay, okay, okay, all right, well, I think now we have finally arrived at the end of the episode. One of these days we'll record another episode for Patreon. I am currently making stickers all spooky deaned pumpkins and stuff. 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