The Demon of the CDMX Cathedral

Hi. This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of a Spooky Twes, a podcast for all things is booky, Hunted, Places, myths, legends, and true crime. Did I already say that? I don't think so. But today just one short Hunted story. We're still we're sill in catchup mode. It's like preemptive ketchup because you know you're gonna go on a trip soon. By the time this releases, Carmen and I will be having some bomb ass Mexican food at this bomb ass Mexican restaurant. Are they open Fridays? Oh? You already want to go there? Yeah? Of course, yeah we have. We have to go on Friday. We can't go on Saturday because it's two packed on the weekend and then we had to wait over two hours. Yes, okay, perfect. Yeah, we're gonna be having Mexican food together. I didn't get to go during Christmas, so yeah, I'm going for thirteen weekday weekend, m okay weekend. So yeah, that's why we're doing just a short, short, quick episode today. But before we get into the topic, let's read a listener story. If you have a story for us, you can email us Pookya's at gmail dot com. You can damaz on any of our socials. You can call the Spooky Hotline. You can submit it on Discord. There's so many ways to get us your stories and we love receiving them. Okay, and this listener's story is submitted by Blair Hi y'all, longtime listener, first time submitting one of my creepy experiences. This happened when I was about eight years old in nal Palma in the state of Gueretro, Mexico. It was me and three of my primos. Our parents had went out to party, but us kids didn't want to go. We stayed back watched The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror. It was the only DVD we could find. As we're watching it, we start to hear a very faint cry. We all look at each other creeped out. We then turned to look through the windows and we see a woman in all white just standing outside of the family's property gate. Her crying getting louder. We freak out and run to go hide in my room. The crying is getting louder before something starts just banging on the outside of the house. After about three minutes, it stops. We stayed in my room until our parents got back. It's still a thing we all talk about today. We're not sure if it was like Rona or the spirit of a young girl who was murdered there back in the nineties. This is just one of the many partneral experiences that I've had. May not be the craziest, but hope you enjoy and Blair send the rest of them to us. Blair, that was like Rona, and yeah it was. It had to be. Yeah, she was and white, she was crying, okay, and yeah that was a listeners story. And for today's topic, again a short one. We're in catch a mood because we have things going on. One day we'll get back to our normal format. Not today, but the top of today is the Sidata Mexico Cathedral, the Mexico City Cathedral, because according to legend, Mexico City underwent an exorcism and the demon that possessed it is locked away in the catacombs of the cathedral. So like a demon possessed all of Mexico City. A demon was doing something, they did an exorcism to make the demon stop doing that thing, and now it's locked away in the cathedral and the catacombs of the cathedral. Oh my god. But first a little bit about the cathedral. The full name of the cathedral is La cal Metropolitana de la Maria Loss. Wow, I didn't know that. Mm hmm. And an English and Bia is just throwing me here. I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, in English, the Metropolitan Cathedral of the Assumption of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary into Oh what that means? Yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean she was out there being adventuress aventuriando Aventuyah, not like Aventura who has fallen into grace. No, yeah, I didn't know that meant blessed. No me neither until I translated the name. Anyway. The cathedral was built in sections from fifteen seventy three to eighteen thirteen, first in sections around the original church that was built right after the colonization of the Nose Stitlan. This cathedral eventually replaced that church. That original first church, and the cathedral was built on top of a Mechica sacred precinct that was part of the Templo Mayor, which was the main temple of the Mexica. It was called Wai Tkali and it was dedicated to Witzilopotli, the deity of all being solar and war A Thrilloch, the deity of earthly fertility, water, giver of life and substance, hail, thunder lightning, rain, and was associated with caves, springs and mountains, and the central spire of El Templo Mayod was devoted to keetal kuwat Aka, the feather serpent and the deity related to wind, venus, sun, merchants, arts, crafts, knowledge, learning, wisdom, intelligence so much. El Templo Mayod was built in thirteen twenty five and then was rebuilt six times and it was almost completely destroyed by the Spanish. Pisses me off to no end of course, right, like they literally built this on top. They're like, it's not even like a metaphor for colonization and genocide. It's like the literal it's it is colonization and genocide. Yeah, like the physical demonstration manifestation of it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I believe what the remains of a temple Mayor is the main plaza of Mexico City and the cathedral. Back to that, it took almost two hundred of the years to build it, and because of the amount of time that it took the time span. It has several different architectural styles, including Gothic, Baroque, trutty Gesque. I've never heard of that. I only know Neoclassical and Gothic. I've heard of Baroque. You've heard of Baroque. Okay, you're more, you're classier than I. I am more culture cultured, Yeah, culture if you will, yes, yes, of course. And yeah, and Neo Classical is the other style that the cathedral is built with. And it really is a site to see. As we've already said in other episodes, for some reason we've brought up the cathedral. We have talked about the cathedral, Yes we have. It is beautiful. Yeah, there's bell towers and across the two bell towers there's twenty five bells, eighteen in the east bell tower and seven in the West bell tower. And these bells are huge. The largest weigst twenty nine hundred pounds, sorry, twenty nine thousand pounds. You know, I can't fellow more. Wow, bigger wowow. And that largest one it's named the Santa Maria Deja Lupe even the bells have names, and an interesting story about one of the bells. I don't know which one. I couldn't find which bell, But in nineteen forty seven, a novice bell ringer died in an accident when he tried to move one of the bells while standing under it. The bell swunk back and hit him in the head, killing him instantly, and the bell was then punished by removing the clapper. I think that's the thing inside. Yeah, that rings I can never ring again. In the following years, the bell was known as La Castigala, the punished one, the mute one, and it wasn't until the year two thousand that the clapper was reinstalled in La Castia. I have heard this before, and probably during your tour tour. I was going to say that had to be during your tour of the cathedral. Sorry, I just needed to say that I've been there. Of course, I would be repeating it again to everyone, so I don't follow you for that. Inside there are a couple of altars, the Alter Forgiveness and the Altar of Kings. There's two stories about the Altar of Forgiveness about how the name came to be. The first story states that those condemned by the Spanish Inquisition were brought to the altar to ask for forgiveness into the next world before being executed, and that's why it's called the Alter Forgiveness. The other story is about a painter named Simon Parines, a Flemish painter, and Flemish means like Dutch speaking from Flanders or Belgium. Oh, I was about to ask, what is a Flemish. Yeah, he's a Flemish painter and he had done several works for the cathedral and he was accused of blasphemy, and while in jail, he painted a beautiful image of the Virgin Mary earning forgiveness. And then the altar was named after this act of forgiveness, and that's why it's called the Altar of Forgiveness. So those are the two stories. There's also sixteen chapels in the cathedral. I'm not going to name all of them, but there's a couple of stories attached to one or two of them that I did want to share because they are interesting. So the first one is at the Chapel of Our Lady Antigua, and this chapel was built between sixteen fifty three and sixteen sixty. The chapel is home to Elino Caltibo or the Captive Child, and this is a figure of Baby Jesus, Baby Jesus that was brought over from Spain on its way to Vera Cruz from Spain, pirates attacked the ship and sacked it and they had to pay a large ransom to get Baby Jesus back. The figure isn't in the chapel anymore. It's in the chapel of San Pedro now. But those who are seeking to be released from restrictions or traps go to Elino Caltivo, especially those with financial problems or addiction problems, also those whose family members have been abducted and held from ransom. They also petitioned Ellino so that Nino Cartillo isn't there, He's at another chapel. But he used to be there. Yeah, he used to be there. But I just thought that the story of Elina Cartivo was interesting that order to share it. Yeah, I mean pirates, pirates. Yeah. Another coop one is the chapel of Saint Philip of Jesus, a friar and the only martyr from New Spain who was crucified in Japan, Japan. Yeah, and I should have looked up how this happened. But it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh wow, Filippe Jesus Christopher in Japan. Why yeah, And they weren't trying to colonize I mean Christians were trying to colonize Japan. True, that must maybe that's how I saw that on the show Shogun Shogun Show. I started that and I didn't finish it. It's good, I need to finish it. Yeah. The altar on the left is dedicated dedicated to Rose of Lima, who was considered a protector of Mexico City. And then to the right there's an urn that holds the remains of Agustine. What is that sound familiar? He was the first emperor of Mexico. Maybe after it sounds familiar? Yeah, yeah, his remains are in there. Interesting. So the heart of Anastasio Bustamente, Mexico's fourth president, is preserved in this chapel. O. Wow, just got remains. This is like the most paranormal Gothic thing ever. There's remains and hearts preserved in the chapel. M h also to the body parts. Yeah, yeah, that's why Catholics grow up to be like us. Speaky yes. And the crypt of archbishops is located before the Altar of Kings. The entrance is guarded by a large wooden door. Inside when we want to open the door, there's this winding yellow staircase, which is also creepy. Just past the entrance, there's a cenotaph, which is like an empty grave or tomb dedicated to someone, in this case, dedicated to Juan de Sumarraga, the first archbishop of Mexico, and he is considered to be the benefactor of the Indians, is what they called him, because he was protecting them against the abuses of the Spanish overlords. Oh okay, yeah. And on the walls there's dozens of plaques indicating the remains of most of Mexico City's former archbishops. So more bodies. And there's something about like it makes it a cathedral because there's bodies in there. Is that what I've heard before? Oh? Is that right? Someone told me I was telling I was trying to tell someone, was it? MJ. MJ probably told us, Yeah, I was telling someone about the difference between Basilica is cathedral English from Basilica or no, no, because okay, well, I was like telling someone there's like a difference between all these but I don't know what it is. There is a difference between all of them, and I've been told time and time again, and I forget the difference. That I could be wrong right now, but I haven't told the difference. The same point is, I don't remember neither. And over the years, there's been restoration efforts toward the cathedral because it's sinking. Also, there was a fire that caused a ton of damage in nineteen sixty seven, and the two thousand earthquake also caused damage. The seventeen Yeah, what did I say two thousand? I meant twenty seventeen, Yes, thank you. It caused a lot of damage as well. And that was just a little bit about the cathedral. Now onto the legend. According to the legend, there's a demon trapped in the catacombs of the cathedral. It all began when Mexico City flooded in sixteen twenty nine. By this point, it had been raining NonStop for thirty six hours, and the roads had become rivers, water filled homes to seize animals floated along. Water levels were over six and a half feet, and this flooding something surfaced in the cathedral of Mexico City. Two friars were checking the crypt area when they saw something in the waters. It was a stone coffin floating. It was full of symbols they didn't recognize. Probably meant do not open, That's probably what they said. The young friar went to get a closer look. This stone coffin had a corner that was broken, and the younger friar decided to roll up a piece of paper and stick it in the hole. Never a good idea, no, he expected something like rats or some kind of animal to pull on the paper. But after what seemed like an eternity but really had only been seconds, something pulled the paper. Freaked out the younger fire yanked it out of the hole. That's when they saw the paper was half burned, as if something inside had set it a flame. Not naturale. No, they decided to go and notify Pati Superior disappearor Father, and they set off immediately, leaving the disturbing coughing behind. They went back to the crypt with him, and upon seeing the stone coffin Disappearor Father could only gasp and say, oh my dear Tomo. He stated, this could only be something evil, not human, and not an animal. He then requested an emergency meeting with the Holy Office of the Inquisition. In this meeting, they decided that they had to get out whatever demon was inside that coffin. But what if they just left it? Ry? I wonder? That night, only the Friars and the Sapier Father were present. They tried to open the stone coffin, but it would not bunch a sign perhaps perhaps perhaps a meant to stop stop by your head exactly exactly. After several attempts, the lid opened by itself. When that happened, their candles all went out at the same time, and there was a horrible smell like what what beliet though, if you will mm hmm silfur yes. Once they were able to get their candles lit again, they saw muddy footprints surrounding the sarcophagus. The footprints resembled that of an animal. As the Superior Father looked around, he was mad with an even at Wor's sight there were several dead Friars laying on the floor. Holy shit, imagine seeing that, m m. It would be a perfect movie scene. Honestly, they continued with the exorcism, and throughout it they heard laughter and loud footsteps around them, but they went on. As more hours passed, the Suparior Father began to believe that it wasn't a demon they were dealing with, that it was actually the deity of rain and everything that falls from the skies. He believed Michika Shamans had released La loc in hopes to see the downfall of New Spain. If only, I mean, come on, let them, I'm rooting for Sorry, are you familiar with the let them theory? Shut them up. If somebody releases an ancient deity to flood colonizers, let them, let them, let them. If an ancient terror has a rose from the ground to right the wrongs of colonization, let them let them. This motivated the Father even more, and he wavered through the exorcism. It went through the morning, but legend tells that they were able to seal this demon not actually a demon. It's not a demon. It's tale. They're calling him a demon basically, but it's actually Ta Logue. Yeah, leave him alone. But they were able to seal this demon back into the stone coffin they put chains around the stone coffin and then surrounded it with sacred symbols. They moved the stone coffin underneath the tomb of Juan de Sumaga, the first archbishop of Mexico, to ensure the demon stayed sealed forever. And that is the legend. But we had to provide some more information here. There are some legends that have hints a facts documentation, mentions of old codexes and whatnot, but this is not one of them. The only thing that most definitely happened was the flood. From sixteen oh seven to sixteen thirty, there was a series of floods in Mexico City, and while the Spanish might have loved to blame a Michiga deity for it, it was actually their fault. The floating got that bad. They built a city in a lake, and then the what do they expect? Come on? The Spanish didn't have the understanding or care for the land that the indigenous had. The Michiga understood floods were necessary for agriculture. They built chinampas, or floating agricultural islands. Yeah, I learned this intour, Oh okay, Yeah, because you went to Mexico City. Yeah, exactly, yes, yes, and you had to do several tours there. They embraced the abundance of water. On top of that, they had built their own system that also had in alberadon or dike. A dike is built along the banks of a river to prevent and overflow, kind of like a levee, but there's a difference between the dike and a levee. If river rises because of rain, a levee keeps higher than normal water. There it's used for water that isn't normally that high. But a dike fully encloses an area like a bowl. So hopefully that made sense. Yeah, hopefully. Anyway, the Aabaadon was ordered by Moktsuna the first and built by Nissa Warcoyot, and it was expanded again during the rule of Awitsot, but of course the Spanish destroyed this too. They drained Lake Texcoco. They built the desage, the drainage system to expand Mexico City past the island borders and pass Lake tex Coco. The flooding directly correlates with the construction of their de sage. They didn't account for heavy rainstorms and for heavy rainfall combined with the draining of Lake tex Coco, and this caused the flooding to be as bad as it was because there was flooding during the time of the Michiga. But they worked with it. They it was natural. They had wisdom of the land exactly. These dumb bitches didn't, and so it was their fault. And Mexico City remained flooded for three years from sixteen twenty nine to sixteen thirty one. Wow. Some sources stated it was five years. And of course entire neighborhoods were destroyed building people could only travel on canoes. They had to build like floating bridges to be able to get by. And they say that after the five year flooding at least thirty thousand were dead. Wow. And they felt that the flooding was like some sort of curse, some sort of like punishment for something. Oh maybe they felt guilty about something. I mean, what for what? I wonder? What for? I don't know. In an attempt to get the flooding to stop, the Catholic Church brought over the image of Leavin the Lewyan Maria from Etcro de Payac over to the cathedral and it was a possession of two hundred small built in canoes, and she remained at the cathedral for five years. Interesting and the following is an account from Enrico Martinez, a cosmographer, someone who I don't know, makes maps and describes maps and studies maps and maps the world. Well back then maps were new, yeah, and necessary. Well he was also new to New Spain. Quote. While the rains were falling on September twenty first, Saint Matthew's Day, a dreadful downpour lasted thirty six hours straight. The city was completely flooded. Only part of the palace, the archbishop's houses, Santa Teresace Street, and part of the Plaza Major were spared from the furious onslaught of the waters. The convents were abandoned, the churches were closed, commerce was paralyzed. Of twenty thousand Spanish families, only four hundred remained in the flooded city. The rest had fled to other cities and towns save from the catastrophe, such as Puebla, Coyocan, Sanagusin de Las s Cuebas, Tacuba, Mexico, Calsingo, and Texcoco end quote. If only they had all left, right, so yeah, the flooding part of the legend is absolutely undeniably real, and you could even go to Mexico City today and find a lion statue that depicts how far the water reached during these floods. It's on Oh you saw that too during your tour. I don't remember. Oh, okay, you were not in like you like you have seen it. It's on lak Malero, on a corner Maledo and Motolina to be specific. And yeah, it's like over two meters tall where this lion is at. The exorcism part of the legend is what cannot be verified at all because there's other exorcism legends and stories that again, like we said, you could find mentions of them in codex says or old diaries or letters. They're like so and so got an exorcism, but no, not this one. First mentions of this legend date back to ninety seventy seven in a magazine called Fate in their September edition under the title The Demon in the Cathedral, and it was written by Ramon Pantoja and Freeman Bound. And this story is actually irually similar to a nineteen sixty five story published in a Mexican magazine called There Ends La Colonia, which featured a story called El Misterio Sepulcro. And so that's seems to be the origin of this legend from one of those two magazines, but the legend continues to be told time and time again. What do you think as a complete fiction? Was there a demon? Was it? Taloque? Let us know? But what do you think, Carmen? I think it's fiction, Yeah, especially once you learn about the magazine. Yeah stories, Yeah, and if a if part of it was real, if it happened at all, that was not a demon, that was punishment for the colonization of So yeah, I just wouldn't I wouldn't want to be real because I don't want that fate for thre look, you know, to be locked up away? True? True, that would be messed up to just lock someone who was once so beloved and worshiped, right, kind of makes me think of the god of Jaden Shadows my Si, my God, beautiful book. I love that book. But yeah, that is it for this episode, all right, Like we said, shorter episode. Hmmm, do you have any speaky recommendations? My god, I haven't Eveen, I haven't even been watching any horror. I watched this really good anime movie called Tokyo Godfathers. I watch it like the beginning of the year, so still Christmas time. Basically it was like January second or something. But yeah, it's like a honestly one of the best Christmas movies out there. It follows these group of homeless people. It's a teen, an older guy who's also like a drunk, and then a trans woman, and they find a baby and they make it their mission that Christmas is Christmas when this is all happening, to reunite that baby with the mother. And then I just it's this journey of self exploration and I don't know what it means to be like people in a society caring for each other's beautiful They go through it, they do, and yeah, it was a beautiful movie. I highly recommend it. It's actually streaming not to be right now, Oh yeah, to be. We had a lot of good movies, so I guess that will be my recommendation because yeah, other than that, I've watched a really good documentary as well, oh, which one might as well talk about it. Let me go to it. By the way, I'm on letterboxed as a spooky Christina altogether. If you want to follow me and my reviews and what I'm watching, that's all on there. But where is it? Where are you diary? There? It is. It's called The Cover Up, and it's on This one's on Netflix, and this one let me give you this synopsis. For the past six decades, Seymour hersh has been at the front of at the front lines of political journalism in the US. This engaging documentary, release at a crucial moment for the freedom of the press, tells the wide ranging story of this breakthrough reporter. He broke the story of the my Lay massacre in Vietnam. Oh he also broke another story about the Middle East, but I don't remember. And in the documentary he's doing a reporting with trusted sources in Gaza and it just like all I wrote about. It was from Vietnam to Gaza and important documentary on journalism. I highly recommend it, especially like right now, what is it called The Good cover Up? Oh? Okay? What is it not Netflix? Oh? Okay? And yeah, that's really only why. I also watched this like love movie, romance movie, but like it was like a punk romance movie today while I was editing where did you find this? Or what is it? This was on tub and actually shout out to Mikey Parato Junior on both Instagram and TikTok. He has so many recommendations. My watch list has grown so much because of him. But I saw him talk about the movie on TikTok and I was like, interesting, and then get where it was streaming to be, I just popped out. I love to be like hold on, hold on to Be. But yeah, this came out in twenty twenty. It's an independent film and let me read you the synopsis and on the lamp, punk rocker and a young woman obsessed with a local band go on an unexpected and epic journey together through the Decayne suburbs of the American Midwest. And at first I was like, what the fuck am I watching? Like this is fucking weird, and then after that I was like, You're like, oh, this is beautiful. I want what they have. Oh this is the best love story I have ever seen. Because at first you're like, Okay, I get it. You're an angry punk rocker, you're mad at the world, Okay. And also there's like a lot of like our slurer word usage. It feels like this movie would have been made in like twenty ten, but it was made in twenty twenty. But then by the end of it, I I was spruting for them. It was it was beautiful and it's actually stars. Do you remember the guy that gets killed in Jennifer's body. I think that's where you would recognize him the most, the one that was the boyfriend. No, the like punk rocker who has a crush on Jennifer. Oh, okay, or you know, I don't know Goth. I don't know what he's supposed to be in Jenan's body anyway, him what's his name, Kyle? I would not know his name anyway, Kyle Gallner, Gawner. He's he's like a scream queen, but you know guy scream King. Yeah, yeah, I recognize him. He's in everything horror related. But I think you would recognize him the most from Jennifer's body. But yeah, he's the punk rocker, of course he is, Like who else would it be. He's been a typecast, yes, yes, but no, by the end of it, I was like, no, this was actually good. But in the beginning, I was like, I might stop this it was very Napoleon Dyna. My meets like I don't know, five hundred days of Summer except like five hundred except they're punk rockers. Yeah. Yeah, well, no, the girl is like a very awkward she's I think she was supposed to be like a manic pixie dream girl. But it's past that this girl is an autistic queen. So it was it was a it was overall, it was good. I do interesting. Okay, now that's enough. That's one of my recommendations, none of them spooky. Yeah, I really I haven't really been watching much. I just finished listening to the four Brag cartel. Oh that was really good. Interesting. It's a nonfiction, I guess, investigative expose on the crimes and corruption done by the special forces, including the Dots of Force. And this is gonna sound like a ticktook video that I'm about to U record it sound like what like a TikTok video that I just recorded it because I just remember what I said then, so I see, I felt could timely read because it identally, the Delta Force was involved in the abduction of my little that recently happened, and they are notoriously the Delta Force known for drug trafficking and drug consumption. Yeah, the very thing that My Little was being is being accused of. So a little little silly situation there, right, and also timely because the author, who is an investigative journalist, Seth Harp, is being subpoena by some committee in Congress or whatever because he published publicly available information on one of the commanders in the Delta Force that was involved in the My Little operation. He's been accused of doxcene, but public He's been subpoena for that supposed dox scene, which was not doc scene because again it was publicly available information. And so it really is just a suppression of his first memon rights as a member of the press mm hm, which is something the administration has been doing. Yeah, suppressing yeah, premous speech. So yeah, yeah it was good. I will say there was one part where Seth Harp just casually mentions like the Wuhan lab Laque conspiracy, as if it was real. I don't believe in that conspiracy. It's been debunked, and he just says, I'm like, oh, the it was like I think he was referring to something that happened during COVID and he's like, oh COVID when it was leafd fro the Wuhan lab and I was like, what, oh I saw excuse me? Did you just say that Seth did Seth? But other than that, I mean the information that he had a lot of it has been corroborated. Is the actual some things that's like, oh, so and so said this and that about like family members involved with those and adulta hordes and whatnot. But it was still like an important read and a lot of it. I think it's true. So I've been meanting to read that. I have the audiobook and listen to it, and I still haven't listened to it. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, well I guess this brings us to the end of the episode. All right, I don't know. Free from the Cathedral hashtag free track from the Cathedral. Yes, stay spooking. We'll catch everyone next time. Bye Bye. Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen, and with the help of Don Shout out with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably, gonna say five star review. We would really appreciate it. If you don't want to live a five star review, we just don't leave a review. But don't leave I didn't lower than that, please, I'm just kidding. You can reach out to the podcast at a spooktos at gmail dot com. You can go to our website at pookitos dot com and fill out the contact form. 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