The Hacienda with Ayden of Susto Podcast: Book Club

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Hi everyone, this is Cristina. And this is MJ. And Carmen. And Ayden from Susto! Oh my gosh!

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, ghoul friends! I didn't know when to jump in.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: No worries, yeah. I'm so excited for this. First of all, I love Susto and also I should

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: tell everyone this is another Book Club episode. We are talking about the Hacienda.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I noticed Ayden was doing like book reviews and I was like, oh my god, let me ask him

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: if he wants to read this with us. And I'm so glad that you were like, yes, let's do this.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, thank you so much for the invitation. I was telling you, Cristina earlier, that I feel

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like this is a long time coming, this crossover collaboration. And what better way than to discuss

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: this? What I thought was a really, really good book. So I'm very excited to get into it and

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to be here. Yeah, oh, before we do that though, I feel like everyone that listens to Spooky Tales

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_03]: also listens to Susto. But if you don't, you need to. But do you want to tell us about Susto?

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sorry, my cat is already chiming in. Well, so Susto is the podcast or a podcast of Spooky

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Stories centered on the folklore from Latinx and Hispanic cultures. It's a very narrative

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: driven show. So I will tell a story with all the music and the sound effects that I can add. And

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: then I like to dive into the context behind those stories, whether it is sociological, historical,

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: or if it's just like a really, truly scary story, I really like to kind of dissect them and

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: figure out what they're all about. Yes, it's one of my faves. Actually,

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_03]: what are my inspirations to start a Spooky Tales? I don't know if I've ever told you

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was. That is so cool to hear that from anybody, but especially from you all. Wow.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I found Susto and Monsters Park cast a long time ago and then I was like, oh my god,

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: there's no more episodes. Who wants to start a Spooky Park? Yes, let's me. Because we need

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: more content. That's basically how it happened because Carmen was too busy and then

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: M.G. was like, I'll do it. It was like during COVID and I was like, I have nothing. I need adult

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_04]: friends. Some adults to talk to. All I have is little kids as my friends, my children.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_04]: That's all I talk to. They don't count. Yeah, they don't count. And they're kind of mean to me.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_04]: They roast you. They love roasting me. They roast me all the time. I mean, that's like our

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: dynamic, right? We play jokes on each other and then my kids just roast me.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, that's fair. That's fair. Also, Jen Alpha, I thought I was scared of Gen Z.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I am scared of Jen Alpha. They give no ass. Because they're not scared of anything.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no. They were raised by Alexa. Yeah, my friends' kids roasted us too. They roasted

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: you too. Because we were learning the Mean Girls dance and they made fun of us. Oh, no.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's so funny because sometimes my daughter is like Jen Alpha and then she's like,

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: you're embarrassing me. Yeah, that's like totally embarrassing. My favorite story is when I asked

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: her one time, I was like, can you help me? She's like, you're 31 years old and you need a

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: seven-year-old to help you. And I was like, you're like crying. First of all, it was a yes or no question.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And first of all, yes. Okay?

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, you would have thought that you had 31 years old know how to do these things.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like, I don't. Oh my God. The 2000s were a rough time. Okay. They were.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They keep you humble. Homegirls abusive.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I just rewatched that like the other day. Wow, let's get into this. We are talking about

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: The Hacienda, my favorite book of all time now. And just a very, very short spoiler-free

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: synopsis if you are for some reason listening to this. There's going to be a ton of spoilers.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: We just read it and we're going to recap it. But this part here is spoiler-free.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So the Hacienda was written by Isabel Cañas. It's set in the aftermath of the Mexican War

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: of Independence. It follows Beatriz, a mestiza woman who in an attempt to improve her life after

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: the war, marries a wealthy Hacienda owner and she is determined to make this Hacienda hers,

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: like her home. It's hers. It belongs to her. And in her determination, she looks past a bunch

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: of red flags. And this book has it all, spookiness, love, war, a little bit of history,

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of history actually. And it's just written so beautifully. We go between Beatriz's point of

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: view and then Andres' point of view. And I read the audiobook for it and let me tell you that

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: these voice actors amazing, both of them so good. And yeah. I am so, I don't know if the

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: word is regretful or jealous or what it is. I consider doing the audiobook too because I feel

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like people frown on audiobooks sometimes. I don't. I love them because of the voice actors.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, you know what? I'm going to read this one. I feel like, you know,

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: reading this on myself and like kind of building that world in my head. But

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly, I would, because of how much I liked the, I was going to say the episode

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: because of how much I liked the book, I feel like I would definitely go back and listen to it as well.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I recommend that because yeah, the voice actors are so good. I was going to say

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: especially Beatriz, but like both of them are really good. But you know, I also listened to

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: it probably what was like last year. And then I read it this time. And I feel like there was

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot that I missed, like a lot of details I missed because I listened to it. And probably

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just me because I don't pay attention. Yeah, it's the ADHD that I've diagnosed you with

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: because you're my twin and I'm diagnosed now. So yeah, I re-listened to it and I was like,

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, I must have like not been listening here because I was yeah, I was reading it and I'm

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: like, I don't remember this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, paying attention hard. But this book

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: worth re-listening to in case you missed anything, re-listening or re-reading it is so good.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So we start the book off with Andres in November 1823. And he like, we don't know who he is. We

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: just know he has his back to Hacienda San Isidro. And this place means something to him. We don't

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: know what yet. He grew up in Apán, so the like village in the Hacienda and he grew up among

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: the Tlachiqueros and the Tlachiqueros are the workers of the Hacienda, the ones that work

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: the Magay fields. And he's mourning someone we don't know who yet in this part. I just want to

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: share one like immediately where like blasted with Isabel Canas is amazing writing because like

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: in that first like three pages or something, this like quote, I was like, oh my God, let me read it.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So it is said that mortal life is empty without the love of God, that the ache of

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: loneliness is wounds is assaged by obedience to him. For in serving God we encounter perfect

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: love and are made whole. But if God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, if he is three and one in

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: the Trinity, then God knows nothing of loneliness. And I was like, oh my God.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And so early on I was like, okay, Mrs. Isabel, I see what you're doing. And I love it.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I read on sometimes I'll get like a physical book, but I also have a Kindle and I read

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: this one on the Kindle. And what they do on how many times am I going to say Kindle? What

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: they do on the Kindle is they'll have, I guess, like certain sections already highlighted. And

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it's based off of like if it's a popular quote that other people note.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was the first one and I was like, oh my God, this is like the first few pages

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's already like something that's featured from them. Yeah. And so I was like,

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw the lines and I was like, well, I'm not going to read ahead. Let me get there.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I got there and I was like, wow, this is, yeah, it was truly like, I was like,

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: all right, this is going to be really good. And for like a wild ride, I can tell it was delicious.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like a haunting like Gothic horror already. It was like, yeah, I'm going to read this. But

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: if you were like hesitant on it and her writing is just out of the water. Yeah.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so good. I'm looking forward to her next book. I forgot the name of it.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. And it's coming out soon, right? Like,

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: no, in August. In August. I just looked it up because I was thinking about it.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It normally takes me so long to finish a book, but and I was messaging you all on Instagram,

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: you all reminded me and I do this to myself. I'm a huge procrastinator, but I was like, okay,

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I have like five days to read this book. I have no other choice but to read it. And so

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that that pressure was there that I put on myself. Because we've known about this

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: for a while. Yeah, we've known about the deadline for a while, but I was like,

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: why not wait for a week before you know, you're a slow reader.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Same, same. Yeah. Our last book took so all of us so long to read it. And then

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the reason I finally read it was because it was due of the library and I had already let it

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: lapse and then I had to renew the hold and they took another like two months to get it

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: again. And I was like, I cannot do this again. And I procrastinated so much. I was like,

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, look at me not being able to read. Let me just buy the audio book.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I finished it because MJ, you had finished it and Christina had already finished

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: it. I was like, fuck. It was an audiobook though. That's really why it takes us so long. So yeah,

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that's why it's the Spooky Tells Booklet for Busy People. We're gonna put this off to the

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: last minute, but we're gonna love every minute of it. So we're gonna have anxiety though,

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: because you're like a week away, but it's gonna happen. Yeah. Okay. So then after the first

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: chapter where we meet Andres, then we meet Beatriz and it's August 1823. And she's

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: stepping out of a carriage with the help of her husband, Don Rodolfo Eligio Solorzano.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And I wanted him to have like three more names, but whatever. Isn't that the most Ascendado name

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_03]: already though? Imagine with three more names on top of that. Amazing. And she sees Asienda

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: San Isidro for the first time and it's not what she was expecting. She was expecting

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: some more beautiful. She had previously seen another Asienda in Cuernavaca and this is like

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: garbage compared to that. Side eye. But it's run down. It's run down. And then she says

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: San Isidro is her new conquest, her salvation. And I was like, interesting choice of words.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels intentional conquest. Isabel remembers back to the first time she met Rodolfo and she

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: learned that he came from a family that owned an Asienda that produced pulque. And his family

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: has been doing this for like 200 years. And she thinks to herself, and this is just another

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: quote that I really liked. But she says, so that's how your family kept its money throughout

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: the war. Industry will rise and fall. Men will scorch the earth and slaughter one another

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: for emperors or republics, but they will always want drink. And God, so true.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That is so true. I feel that 100%. I mean during the early like COVID lockdown, what was I doing?

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I was stocked on alcohol so that I wouldn't have to leave the house. People will drink.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah. And she immediately latches on to Rodolfo to save her from her own life because

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think she says it here yet. We'll learn why. But as they're dancing for the first time,

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: she's already thinking like this Asienda is going to be mine and I'm like, girl,

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_04]: you just met. What are you doing? Yeah, I know. It's like a, what is that Disney quote was that

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: you can't just marry someone you just met? Oh, from Frozen. Yeah. But you know what? She

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: needs to, she needs to escape. So yeah, honestly though, she's a go getter and I appreciate it.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Teresa much? What? No, no. She's nicer than Teresa anyway. So she has a flashback and then

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: we're back to August 1823. And she was giving her tour of the Asienda introducing her to

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: the workers. She meets Ana Luisa, the head of like the workers in the house and her daughter

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Paloma as they're walking a tall woman with bronze skin and black hair walks toward them.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And as she walks, Beatriz has flashbacks to her Tia Fernanda, who she was living with.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And this, in her, this flashback Tia Fernanda tells her to stay out of the sun or she'll

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: never get a husband. And wow. I highlighted so many quotes like that. And I appreciate

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that that was something that she did. It was very intentional. I feel like,

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's something that a lot of us here growing up. I've heard it multiple times.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I've had people try to tell that to my kid and like, I'm not like the respect my elders type.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're going to come for my kid, I'm going to come for you. And then I mean. That's horrible.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they deserve it. But then they deserved it. So.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. The way both her and because this book gets, of course, is going to get compared

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: to Mexican Gothic because they're both Mexican. Well, she's Mexican Canadian and then

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabel Caña says Mexican American, I want to say. But yeah, they both have creepy books set in Mexico.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: They're both Mexican or of Mexican descent, whatever. And yeah, the book is going to get

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: compared, but they both do a really good job at addressing the colorism in their books.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, Beth Threese learns that this woman is Juana Rodolfo sister, who he also never mentioned

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: before at all. Is this where she describes her as having thin lips? I thought that she was hilarious.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I highlighted that part. She said thin lips. Miss no lips over here.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: She does reference it. She references it a couple of times. I noticed that too.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, honestly, drag her.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is to call out the Spanish side of her, I want to say because they're the ones who have no

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: lips, right? Or do they? I don't know. I don't think they have lips. I thought these fools were

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: straight up Spanish. Oh, well, no, not Juana. Oh. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Juana is and we do learn

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: later in the book, but Juana is his half sister. And she's not. I want to like Rodolfo in this cast

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: system that existed, right? He was a criollo. So of Spanish parents or Spanish grandparents,

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but no one has gotten with an indigenous person. So they're all Spanish, but they're born in Mexico.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they're criollos. And then Beatriz is a mestiza. So her dad was in was that a mestizo or

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: indigenous? I think he was indigenous. I think he was indigenous, I want to say. Okay. And then

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: her mom was a criollo. Yeah. And and that's why they were disowned by their family. And then

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: we'll learn about Andres, but he's also a mestizo. Yeah. So and then that's a super

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: important in the book. And I guess in everyone's lives because that shit is real still now.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, still. Yeah. Side eye. How many times who or who has not heard and this is terrible, but like

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: who has not heard like don't marry a I mean, I'm saying it in a much nicer way, but don't marry

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: a black person because you're gonna have dark kids. I don't want you to be with someone black

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: or you have to light in. No, not light in. I've heard that.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Mejorar la rasta. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, this book touches on all that.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Not from my parents though. Beatriz is immediately uncomfortable when she meets Huanna.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously she never like heard of her. The vibes are off and she has small lips.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So the vibes are off. Red flag. Yes, red flag too. And so then Huanna tells her like,

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: don't worry, I don't stay in this building. She points to like a different one. That's

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: where she sleeps and she asks her why. And Huanna tells her that the house tends to be drafty

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_03]: this time of year and side note, but the way that the voice actress does Huanna's voice is

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_03]: perfect. Yeah. How does it sound? Do it for us. I can't. I'm so bad at voices and acting,

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's like, it has like a long, what's it? It has like a small vocal fry to it and like she

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: like extends certain words. So it sounds like she's over this conversation every time she talks.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why. It just, it reminds me or it made me think of there's this drag queen

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: that I really like. Her name is Alaska. And she speaks with like a hardcore vocal fry. So

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I thought it'd be funny if Huanna was like the house is just drafty.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. It is a little bit of a vocal fry, but not that bad. But less valley girl.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God. You said that like mid coffee drink for me and I was about to like, oh no. Get back in there.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what she sounds like in my head from now on. I've already decided.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God. That's gonna be sad to me. There has to be a hair flip at some point.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 100%. I do. I do picture a hair flip though.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like looking up and down for sure. Oh yeah. Sizing her up.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: When Huanna says that the house tends to be drafty, there's like weird glances between

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Rodolfo and Huanna. And that's like red flag five already. They're crimson. The flags are

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot. Yeah. While they're walking, they encounter a dead rat and it looks like pretty messed up.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Huanna tells her the cats get carried away. And then she's like, you don't mind cats, do you?

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the voice. I tried. No, yeah. I tried a little bit. Thank you. Should I become a voice actor?

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But all your characters have to sound like that.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a cat.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how she said it. Oh man. So at some point, you know that same night that they first arrived,

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: they're getting ready for bed and Beatriz thinks she hears a laughter. Like the house is laughing

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: at her. And this is like the biggest red flag. But she's like maybe she imagined it which honestly

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: who I think a lot of people would dismiss it that way or try to rationalize it.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you, I would not. No, no, I would. I can understand, you know, the house settling

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: or like maybe like a thump like, oh, maybe there is an animal somewhere. But laughter. Yeah. Laughter.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, yeah. I mean, but they do live on an acienda. So there's, you know, other people

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: around outside of the house. But I don't know. I feel like you can tell when a sound is coming

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: inside the house versus outside. I'd probably forget like after like three seconds. I'd be like,

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: huh? Okay. Anyway. Yeah, I'd go to sleep scared and then next day, like not even think about it.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what happened? I don't remember. This is why I posted that tweet that I found on our Instagram

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and it was doing numbers because so many people were like, yes, but it's like,

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: if a house, if a ghost was haunting my house, I wouldn't even like realize it

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: because of my ADHD. I'd be like, did I leave that cabin open? Did I close that door?

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Did I make that sound? Probably.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Was I laughing in the middle of the night at 3 a.m.? I don't think so.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably. Did I turn that crucifix upside down? Yeah. Was that me? I'm not again.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God. Yeah. Seriously. And then at this point we got a flashback of the night that

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Bethesda's life changed. A man come into her home, drag her dad away and make it known that he was a

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: traitor because again, this is the Mexican war of independence. And this marks her and her mother

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: like as people that you know relate to traitors or whatever. So they're traitors now too. And so

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: her father had fought alongside Augustine y Turbide and he had just been deposed. Like I don't

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: know enough about the Mexican war of independence to know. I know there was a lot of like switching

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: of alliances, a lot of people that went through power and stuff. So this probably was just one of

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: those times. And all of Augustine y Turbide's allies were shot in the back, including her father.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They had nowhere else to go. And there was only one family member that is still like

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: not talked to them, but acknowledged their existence basically because

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Bethesda's mom was disowned by everyone for marrying a man of lower caste. And we said this

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: earlier, but she was a Crio. Crio. Yeah, Crio. Do I do you still say Crio? I don't know.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's Crio. Yeah. Isn't it? I don't know actually. You're asking the wrong people.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: The wrong crowd. Yeah. I don't know. We're just maybe go with it. So yeah.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: She was a pure blood Spanish Mexican and Bethesda's dad was indigenous. And again,

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of indigenous people allied themselves with people against the Spanish during the war. So

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, who wouldn't? Which say like fucking Spanish people? Yeah. Well, in some places

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: during wars for independence against Spain, indigenous people aligned themselves with

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the Spanish at first. Yeah. It wasn't until Simone Bolivar announced the abolition of slavery.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's when they switched alliances because the Crio's were the ones enslaving them. So

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: the Ascendado owners. Yeah.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, they went to their Theo Sebastian who disliked them and it was he didn't hide

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: their dislike for them at all. And this is why Isabel wanted to leave the household

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because they were mistreated. They were like servants, basically. And when Isabel told her

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: mom about Rodolfo and how marrying Rodolfo was her their way out, not just hers. Her mom

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: basically disowned her because Rodolfo served one of the leaders of the political party that

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: had betrayed Bethesda's father. So yeah, understandable. But Bethesda is also in like

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: survival mode, too. So she's damned if she does and she's damned if she doesn't.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. Did I say that right? I think I did. It's down to right. Yeah.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: As the days passed, Bethesda feels like she's being watched at one point. She sees red eyes

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: in the dark but then convinces herself that it's the cats. Later though, she's like,

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_03]: wait a minute. I have not seen a single cat in this asienda. Dude, at that part when she's

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like, wait, there's no cats here. I was like, oh. Yeah. I was like, here we go.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Because what a terrifying realization. Like, wait a minute.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But seeing that we go back and said the ADHD thing, I'd be like,

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: they might have been one. I don't know. Or have I seen a cat? And I forgot. I don't know. Exactly.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So then after this, we go to Andres. And then we just learned a little bit more about him.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: In 1820, he spent time in Guadalajara. He was to become a priest, which he did become a priest.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Then we go back to the present and it's mass and Andres is looking around the mass.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is like his first return to San Isidro after being in Guadalajara,

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_03]: learning to be a priest. So people recognize him as the son of his mother and grandmother.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But he says his features favor his Spanish father who used to be the foreman in charge

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_03]: of the Tlachiqueros before he did something. I don't know, because he says before his mistake.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know what he did. He left. He just left. The dad left. Yeah. Okay. Back to Spain.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Right? Yeah. Okay. And then he also sees, so he calls him Sodor Sano, but Rodolfo Sodor Sano

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and his new wife. And he doesn't, he hasn't met Beatriz yet, but he sees her and he's like,

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, this is just another doña, like another doña that doesn't see the ascentados,

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that doesn't see the Tlachiqueros. Like she's too good, you know, because she looks,

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_03]: she looks like she fits the role, right? She's been avoiding the sun,

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: like all the things to look more Spanish. So and then the, that chapter ends. And he's like,

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: what? I was so wrong, like about her. So then Rodolfo returns to the capital and leaves

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Beatriz by herself at San Isidro. And this is when things start getting worse for her.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: After he leaves, then she starts hearing like a voice very faintly say, Juana, Juana.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Dude in the audiobook, that shit is so creepy the first time you hear it. I jumped.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I need to re, I need to hear the audio book now. Like you guys just convinced me.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so good because so in this part when she first hears, she's in the garden,

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: like trying to like fix the garden because, you know, she's trying to make

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_03]: a San Isidro prettier. It's ugly right now. So she's in the gardens and then

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: she just like hears like a dissonant and the voice actress is, she's so good.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But you hear the creepiest Juana. I was like, oh my God. What was that?

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And things just keep getting weird for Beatriz. Right after that, she finds her mom's

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: silks like the only thing she has left of her mom soaked in blood.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And Juana is with her at this point and like, you know, they both freak out and like Juana

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_03]: is trying to aggressively clean it off, but then the blood vanishes. Creepy. Yeah.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Right after this part, they start drinking and then Juana starts to talk a little bit more

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: about San Isidro. Oh, by the way, Juana's an alcoholic. I don't know if we've mentioned.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Full on raging. We haven't mentioned, but yeah, she is.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, she pours out the mezcal and Beatriz is like,

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: women aren't supposed to drink. And then Juana's over here pouring shot after shot.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But she's going to use this to her advantage and try and find out a little bit more about

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Maria Catalina. And so she asks Juana about her. And as soon as she says, oh, what was her name?

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Maria Catalina. Oh my bad. They're also with Ana Luisa. And so when Beatriz says her name,

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: there's a door slam somewhere in the house. And Juana is like, oh, it's just the draft.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But like the kitchen is warm. What draft? And they continue to drink. And at one point,

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Beatriz tells Juana, oh, you didn't like her. Did you? About Maria Catalina. And then something

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: shifts in Juana. She's like not open anymore. She tells Beatriz, oh, by the way, I lied about

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the house twice. Like the real reason I don't go in there is because she, because I'm afraid.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like she doesn't go in there because she's scared. And Ana Luisa also doesn't go in there at night

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because she's also scared. And then she's like, but you, you sleep here and she shoves her into

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: the dark with like a candle and an herb and then closes the kitchen door. I would have started

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: fighting, I swear. Right. And that's when I started swinging. So now Beatriz is alone in

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: the house in the dark and she starts hearing laughter. She feels the touch of death, cold

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: fingertips tugging at her hair. Oh hell no. Yeah. Just things are not good. And then a push.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone pushes her. It's me and the ghost fighting. Yeah. I don't know where this ghost is at,

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'm throwing hands at the air. I'm looking for ghosts. Oh my God. Wait,

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: sorry to interrupt, but remember Christina, like our, how our mom was haunted and then our

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: abuelito would be like, where is it? Where's the ghost in here? Try to like fight it.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. Yeah. We still have to share her story, honest Pugetels, but it scares me. Yeah, it's

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_03]: scary. I have not heard the full thing. I've only heard it in pieces because every time

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I get so scared. And then my mom, every time we like, she starts telling it and then Carmen

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and I are like, no, no, no, no, no. We never mind. I don't want to hear it. She's like,

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: no, can't know. I thought you love this stuff and I'm like, I don't want to hear it. It's scary.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. It's scary. So yeah, he would try to throw hands with the ghost.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you have to. Yeah.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Beatriz does not do this. So Beatriz manages to light a candle and then she says she feels,

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: or the book, like she writes, she feels the dark draw away like an animal. And I was like,

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my God, again, good writing. Amazing writing. But this terrible spooky ass night pushes her to

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: seek the help of the church. So she goes to Padre Vicente. He's the older priest and he refuses

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: to help her. He won't even hear it. He's a bitch. He's like, this is, this is like satanic

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_03]: shit. Like drop this, like stopping hysterical women. Yeah. Yeah. Stop being a hysterical woman.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just so annoying because it's like, that's literally what you're here for.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm coming to you because I have a spiritual issue. I'm coming to you for guidance.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. He's the one who should be putting on like, you know, fighting the air.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. He should be throwing hands with the ghost. So yeah, he refuses to hear this,

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but Andres is there with Padre Vicente and because he's an amazing person and I love him

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_03]: so much, he just looks at her and she's like, he believes me. He says it with his look. He's like,

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, you know what? I believe you. I'm going to help you. It was that, it's that gift of

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Homer Simpson coming down in a wedding dress. I feel like that's what played in her head.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the bit in my head. I was like, yeah, this is my husband. What are we talking about?

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, hold on. He can't be all of our husbands. Yes, he can. He is.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He is. No, he's our husband. Sister wives.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We are not sister wives.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So even Rodolfo writes to Beatriz to stop her foolishness because Padre Vicente told him about

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: her request for his help. But Andres did believe her and he tells her like,

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: he felt a difference in San Isidro from the first time he stepped into the gates.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Andres tells Beatriz that he needs to stay long enough to walk through the house and

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_03]: they agree on a plan. He's going to go the next day to do this. When he arrives,

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: then, you know, he tells Beatriz that he grew up in a pan. His mother and grandmother lived

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: there their whole lives and they're now buried beyond the capilla. So they're walking through

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: the house and there's like a sudden shift in temperature. It's super, super cold.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is the north wing. And I completely forgot to write down when this happened. But earlier in

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: the book, Beatriz finds a body in that section of the wall in the north wing of the house.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right. But it's during that time where the hauntings just get hauntier and she

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_03]: gets after Rodolfo leaves. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, when she sees the body in the wall

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and she's like, oh my gosh, she runs to get help and they come back. The wall is intact

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_03]: again. And Juan was like, you imagined it. You hysterical woman. Yeah, that is actually talks.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Gaslighting her. Yeah. 100%. And so there's a notable shift in temperature in that section.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's also a giggle and only Beatriz hears this and this doesn't hear this.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, he confirms like, yeah, something is very off here. And so they go back to the

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: green room. Parlor, I think it's called. Parlor. Yeah. And so then he starts doing like

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: his magic really because yeah, he's a witch. He's a bruja. This is when Beatriz realizes this.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just makes him hotter. Yes. She's about to bend and snap right now.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. She's like, oops, I dropped my copa. Let me pick that up.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Oops, it got on my shirt. What?

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He does tell Beatriz that I am a witch. You can't tell anyone or the Inquisition would take him away.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a part in the book that he explains like that the Inquisition wasn't really

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: targeting Indigenous people. But if a mestizo was found to be practicing this kind of magic,

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: they would be taken away. And that is very true because the Spanish wanted to convert

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: the Indigenous people. But a mestizo to them should already be converted. They shouldn't be doing these

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: heretics or whatever, you know? So they were taking them away. They were jailing them never

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: to be seen again. Like they were them and then a lot of people of Afro descent as well

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: were like targets for the Inquisition. Andres then tells her that he has a theory. He believes that

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the body she found on the wall is still in the house. That's what's causing all this.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: We learn also that Andres was banned from signing Cidro by Juana at some point,

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: though I'm not really sure why. We don't know why at this point.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we find out later. Yeah. Okay, okay. Someone tell me what happens later

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_03]: when we get there because I don't know if I voted in my recap.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember because I just read it yesterday.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: This is why reading last minute works. It's fresh in the mind.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. It's like another day or whatever. Andres returns to Sanicidro and he's like ready with

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: blankets, candles, copal, herbs, charcoal for the circle that he needs to do, holy water.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he's got everything in his crucifix. Yeah, they're gonna do like a ritual.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like an exorcism, no? Of the house? Yes. Yes. And so there's a circle of protection

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: surrounding them both and Andres tells Batrice she cannot leave the circle. She cannot

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: break this no matter what. But of course everything goes wrong. Andres is hurt and

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Batrice leaves the circle when she sees that he's hurt. After this Paloma, like

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: because things are going crazy at the same time. Like there's like a bunch of,

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean whoever the spirit is because we don't know yet is going, they're having a great time.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: She's popping on. Yeah. She's just terrorizing them. You know,

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Batrice is super concerned for Andres and so she breaks the circle, she goes to him

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and she takes him somewhere else back to the, I don't know, bed or what? I don't know.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: She puts him somewhere. I didn't write down where. And then Paloma after this Paloma

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03]: finds them and she asks what's wrong with Andres and he's like, I'm fine. Everything's fine.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And she tells him, no, everything's not fine. Ana Luisa, her mom is dead. And so then they go to,

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, the little house where they stay at and they're grieving together. Andres and Paloma,

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: but Batrice notices that there's a broken cross on the floor near her and she comes

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: to the conclusion. Yes. That's something frightened Ana Luisa to death. And you know,

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it was happening at the same time that their exorcism went wrong. So horrifying.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: After the funeral, Andres tells Batrice they need to close the circle that was broken and

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: he's like, what? Broken? Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't remember how to close it. He can't remember

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_03]: the words because it's, he needs to speak them in their language, which they call Mexicano,

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's because every Spanish is castellano. No one says es español, right? So he says that

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: he can't remember and he asks Paloma to only speak this language because he needs to try and

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: remember what he's supposed to say. While all this is happening, Batrice offers to help Paloma

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: cook because you know, Ana Luisa is not there anymore and she needs to keep herself busy

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: because now the voice after this night, the voice is now saying Batrice. It's not saying

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Juana. So she's like, she needs to distract herself and Paloma is surprised that she can cook,

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: but they don't know her life. They don't know that this is what she, she was a worker and basically

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: for her family that she escaped. Yeah. While they're cooking, Paloma reveals that

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and she does this because she sees Batrice as not like the other ascendados. So she tells

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Paloma tells Batrice that Rodolfo, her husband, makes life hard for young women that work in

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: San Isidro. She says girls were scared to work inside the house because they would end up

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: pregnant against their will. And when Rodolfo's now deceased wife, Maria Catalina found this out.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_03]: She was furious. She didn't want a, and this is how she put it, a trail of bastards in the

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: countryside. She's, they say she got her way and then Batrice has flashbacks to Rodolfo pointing

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_03]: somewhere and saying that a maid fell from that place. So implying, you know, one of them or

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_03]: both of them together, I don't know, were getting rid of the evidence of these unwanted

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: pregnancies, right? And so Batrice asks Paloma why she's telling her all this and Paloma tells

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_03]: her, you're one of us now. You're trapped here. You're going to die here like the rest of

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus. So hard core. I was like, okay, harsh. True but harsh. Yeah.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Andres tells Batrice they need to go to Maria Catalina's grave

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: to confirm her to see, you know, and when they get there, Andres says it's empty. She's not there.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And so this really cements that this, she's the body in the wall. They need to confine

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Maria Catalina to the house basically. And so while they're there, Andres says, you know, it's

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: done. He remembers she's confined not the circle is enclosed, but she's confined to the house.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So she can't go into the workers houses like she had causing Anna Luisa's death.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So but that same like night, Batrice has a terrifying nightmare where she sees Maria

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Catalina at the doorway and she hadn't seen her before. So she's only getting stronger

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and preparing because Rodolfo is going to arrive the next day. He arrives and they're gonna have

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: dinner with other ascentados and the dinner is a mess. When I was drunk, it's a fool.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And Rodolfo slaps her. This is where he re because she says like my, our father or left this

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_03]: at Sienda for us or something or it's mine. I think she says as hers. And this is when Rodolfo

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: gets up and slaps her. And he's like, don't ever refer to him as that you know that you are not

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_03]: his daughter. And so yeah, she is his half sister. And she's also a mestiza. She's not a criollo like

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_03]: him. And you know, like father, like son, his dad was doing the same shit that he is doing

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_03]: to the workers. Everyone leaves leaving Batrice and Rodolfo by themselves. But also wasn't

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: funny. Sorry. When Rodolfo was screaming and has slapped Hwana in the next room. And then he walked

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: back to the room where Andres and they're like, gosh, I've got to pretend we're busy that we didn't

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: overhear anything. Yeah. Also just counting. Yeah. Also during the dinner, Batrice sees

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Maria. What's her name? Catalina Maria Maria Catalina. Yeah. Donia Catalina. You're right.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so sorry. Please don't come for me. She's gonna haunt you. She sees her like straight up in

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_03]: the room, which is like just her getting stronger. Yes. Yeah. That same night everyone leaves

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and Batrice and Rodolfo are the only ones in the house now and he's trying to get handsy with

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_03]: her and she's like, no. And I thought he wasn't going to accept this no, but eventually he does

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_03]: because he's a terrible person. Yeah. And she's scared at this point because now she knows

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah what he's really like. Yes. She like says a bunch of things like no and then eventually

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: she's like, I'm on my period. Got to pull that menstrual period card or yeah. She has a bunch

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_03]: of candles. She sleeps with them every day and he's like, I can't sleep with this light on

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and so he of course he shuts them all off even though she's like, I needed them to

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_03]: sleep. He doesn't care because he sucks. It's dark now and then Batrice starts like hearing

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: things and she's like, not today bitch basically and she runs out of the room but then we like

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: leave her and we go back to Andres and he's returning to San Isidro and he's going to

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_03]: like the capilla and he's like there's someone there and this is where I stopped my recap

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: because I ran out of time. Oh my God. So anyone passed tense right? Or no? Yeah.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, this is he's returning to San Isidro and this is like after Batrice,

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: he's picking up where Batrice ran out of the room here. Hold on. Yeah, he's returning from going

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: to the other Acienda. Oh, that's right. I forgot what it was called. It started with an O. Yeah.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. But then back or I have something like that. Yeah. He's returning from the Acienda

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's walking back into the capilla and then he sees her there. She's curled up in the

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: excuse. Oh, that's right. That's right. Like he used to be when he was little.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Is this where they do it or no? They never do it. They do. What? They do?

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, hold up. What? I mean, I guess that's up for interpretation but me. What page?

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh. She's like, what page? Show me where. I thought they were like hugging and then they

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: suggested it. And they talked about how like close they are and then like, oh, it isn't right.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they step away. That's what I thought. Well no, later in the book, I mean, we're jumping

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: ahead but they're talking about like the skin of his chest on hers that she's like basically

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_03]: straddling him. Yeah. And that it was forbidden and they like it was not something that

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_03]: they were just hugging.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That is, it was just a really tight long hug. Yeah. Very friendly. They're dry humpy.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_03]: No, not the dry humpy. Dude, I can't believe I didn't catch that. I guess he made it all the way to

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: second base. I mean, it definitely wasn't very explicit but I feel like it heavily suggested

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that they did. Yeah, this is when they do it. I'm like what? But no, I don't think it's here anyway.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what happened to me first. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Well after that the next morning he's walking her back and then, yeah, I remember

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: because the chapter ends with like, you know, like he, I don't know how long he watched me or

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: like when he left but he was there long enough to hear me scream and I was like hurry what's next?

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah. And then this is where things start getting crazy. And they mentioned how to do it for

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it just doesn't feel anything in the house. Like he doesn't feel haunted at all. He wouldn't

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: because he's evil. Yeah. Yeah. But the next day is when she screams and because she discovers,

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: do I say it? Yes. Radarful is dead. She finds him dead in their bedchamber.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, yes. As Isabel Carineas put it amazingly with his throat slit from ear to ear.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying good for the ghost but good for the ghost.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: The next chapter after she says he was close enough to hear her scream

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: is when they go back in time two years earlier. He comes back I think for the first time

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: after being a priest. Yeah. And then that's where we find out why he was banished and we learn a

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: little bit more about Dona Catalina. Okay, why was he banished? So I think it's because he was trying

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to help Paloma's friend. I think her name was Mariana. Yeah. And I want to say that he was

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: giving her basically like a recipe of herbs like a tea or something to induce an abortion

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: or to induce a miscarriage. Yeah. Effectively being an abortion and Dona Catalina found as he was writing

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: it out like how to make it or whatever because he was like I'm a priest now, I can't do it but you can

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and yeah, she walks in on them finds the paper and she freaks out because she's like who is this

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: for? Because she knows how her man is. She fucking knows her trash man. Yeah. Exactly. And so then

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: she's like well, you know what? You for helping and for being here, not mighty in your business but

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_02]: it is his business because that's his family. Because she slaps Paloma. Yeah, she slaps Paloma,

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_03]: he gets pissed, he tries to like- And is this Maria Catalina or is this Juana? It's Maria Catalina.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He tries to step in because he's like you can't like treat my cousin like that and she's

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_03]: like you can't tell me what to do with my staff because you know, you're just a mestizo. She's like

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_03]: she doesn't even see him as a priest. Basically. Damn. He's just a mestizo. Yeah. And she threatens

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to out him eventually like that was the final like that like the thing that I mean- Well no,

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: she threatened to give Paloma over to the Inquisition as a threat and he's like oh hell

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_03]: no because I think if it was just him he'd be more he maybe still step in and try to

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: protect Paloma but he's like wait like now she's she's threatening to her Paloma.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. Yeah, I found the part he she says if I ever find you have been here against my wishes or

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: hear that you send messages or otherwise brought Indian superstition to this place I will give Paloma

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_03]: to the Inquisition. Yeah. And she says it with smugness in her voice. I can't stand hers.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And now look at her in the wall.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like what? Look at her in the wall. Oh my god. Pack it up two by four.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying she deserved it but she did.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It was interesting. I felt like as I was reading and finding out more about her especially

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like there were so many different people with different motives and so it became less about

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like this haunting and more about like who done it kind of. Yeah. I felt like there were so many

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: people that had a reason to just like go for it and kill her so I really enjoyed that part. It

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: became it went from like paranormal and super scary to like murder mystery and it was yeah.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you know what I thought at first? I thought Lavolfo had killed her especially

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_03]: because you know when Andres first comes to the house and they're like looking

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: doing like a walkthrough of the house like to see how haunted it is at night.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I don't remember if it's at night but at some point they see on the wall

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Rodolfo Rodolfo Rodolfo written with blood. So that made me think that he was the one

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_03]: that had killed Catalina. Yeah. Right after this after like Rodolfo's discovery and all that

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: batteries like is crying to Paloma that she wants to go back home but Paloma's

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like where will you go? Like yeah but also this is where Paloma tells her why Andres was banished.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Then says that Doña Catalina she's pretty sure she was the one who killed Mariana

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and Mariana is Wendell Rodolfo earlier in the book was like walking at any point somewhere

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: he's like a maid fell off from that and plays and died that was Mariana. Doña Catalina

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: is the one who killed her. Also right before this where Paloma is sharing this with her

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and the reason that Beatriz is like she just wants to leave at this point is because

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: after they discovered Rodolfo's body Juana is accusing Beatriz of being the one who killed him.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And she shows up with like these other men and like the sheriff or whatever his title is

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: to be like she did it lock her up and so they have her in house arrest because

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_02]: the prison is no place for someone of her cast. As they're talking Paloma says like

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that bitch got what she deserved it's about Mariana Catalina and Beatriz is like I thought

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: she died of typhus. Paloma is like who buries someone who died of typhus.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And after she puts two into the gather she's like oh my god Juana killed her and Juana

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: also killed Rodolfo. Yeah because then she hears Juana again and so yeah this is where

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_02]: she realizes that it was Juana. What if instead of hearing like she was hearing Juana but she

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: also heard like Vale. What is it the Vale como Juana la Guadana? Oh my god no.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Just echoing in the halls. Oh my god. Start dancing. Turn that shit up.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And this also makes her realize that Juana killed Rodolfo and but she's also the one who

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: killed Mariana Catalina for I mean the same for posing a threat to her wanting the house.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is when they come for her and then Juana's like that's the bitch who killed my brother.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes they're basically just talking about there's no way that Beatriz could have done it

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and that she's innocent and they have to come up with a plan to try to help her.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They eventually took her I think from where she was in the house to

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the the green parlor that's connected to the bed chamber where Rodolfo's body still is and like

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it's all bloody mess. And then she's panicking because she's alone in the house. She doesn't

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: have copa or anything and then she starts hearing a noise in the roof and she sees Juana

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: with her machete what's it called like hacking away at the roof and she like peeks in

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and she's also noticed that the rug is covered in alcohol.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is at the same time that Andres is in the capio and he's trying to figure out what to do

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's deciding or figuring out if he should unlock that darkness inside of him and like release

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_03]: it. Yeah he's concerned for Beatriz's life at this point. Oh I was going to say before Juana

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_03]: comes with her or is on the roof and stuff Beatriz has a vision of Donia Catalinas

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_03]: last day basically and Juana killing her and dragging her ass and putting her on the fucking wall.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah also Paloma said something really jarring when she was Andres was like you know I'm worried

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: she's not going to make it through the night in the house because of the the ghosts whatever

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and Paloma says that's if Juana doesn't kill her first. Yeah oh my god yes I'm

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that's what I was going to say right now so I'm glad you said that because yeah she's

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: she's the other threat or the real threat I think. Yeah Beatriz fights the ghost.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this like Juana go in there at some point? Yeah I think she doesn't she start like burning

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the the room that Beatriz is in and then. So after she hacks that hole in the roof she dumps more

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: alcohol in there and she lowers it towards it and she drops it and then Beatriz is like

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I gotta go. But I think the roof collapses or something. Because doesn't she say

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_03]: other Beatriz yells at the ghost but don't you want vengeance she's the one that killed you.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and Juana is like shut up don't say that because she knows that they're listening.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I loved that that the house was like you know what you're right and just like swallows her

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: mm-hmm yeah and then it's it's hard not to give like a detailed play by play because this these

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_02]: these last like moments especially this like in my head it's a scene was so good. Yeah it was

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: amazing. Yeah how Beatriz was like well I have to get out of here and after Juana fell into the

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: room Beatriz is like let me help you you know after everything she's like I can't leave another

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: person in this house yeah and Juana is like okay psych and swings up her with her machete.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you get for being the better person you know. Yeah truly. Like don't just don't do that.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And so as this is happening Andres is approaching the house after he's decided okay I need to like

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you know summon this power within me and so he summons the rain. I couldn't believe how

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_03]: powerful he was like once he like embraced his darkness like he literally I and I held a mist

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: there when I listened to the audiobook but he like can turn invisible. Oh wait what? I missed that.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he like shrouds himself in the darkness of the night and then and then people don't see him

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: walking oh my god yeah and he like whispers a prayer into the guards ears and they go to sleep

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he summons the rain. He literally I'm like oh my god. Andres oh my god. Where was this?

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You could have mentioned this on the chapter one. Oh you know what we didn't really touch on this but

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_03]: it is um it is mentioned earlier in the book the reason he has this like darkness he is a witch

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_03]: but he and he has like his magic from his mother's side of the family which is like

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_03]: a more pure magic and then from Titi. Yes from Titi and so they also mentioned that

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_03]: his father's side of the family there's a bruja and it's like Spanish witches and they're fucking dark.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_03]: His thea Ines. Yes her name would be Ines. It's a great name though. It has a little oomph to it

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like yeah yeah and he's been like using you know what he learned from his mother but

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and he doesn't want to like embrace his father's side um his dad sucks um and he's been hesitant to

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_03]: like to touch that side because he knows that it's evil or more dark and but it's not until he embraces

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: both parts of him self that he's this powerful and that is uh doesn't that's hot beautiful.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's hot and it's uh it's it's funky fresh and it's sexy yeah.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Swoon. Oh like that's beautiful and that's hot.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah he's just going there tearing shit up. I'd be like oh no look at the fire made me lightheaded.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he also exercises um Katarina's ghost. Okay when do they do it?

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to say it was like after everything happened but I'm not sure.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah no it was because I remember she was healing from the the cut on her side that

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Juana cut her with a machete and when they were talking about I was like how is she doing this

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: when she's like stitched up like her wound is gonna open up like yeah girl you can't be doing this physical

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_03]: activity. Oh okay okay so oh okay so Andres is at her at Batrice's bedside and then he like sees

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Donia Maria Katalina and they like exchanged words basically is that that Tony exercises her?

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_03]: This is one yeah this is one yes so I'm just behind here my bad you guys already said all this

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like what's happening? You're like so there's this girl named Beatrice.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: After this then um Batrice wakes up and she says she can't stay there anymore it's too much

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and this is where they do it. Okay I just I need a page number stop. Okay hold on.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on so they're talking right about how like she's gonna leave she can't stay there anymore

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and he says that he can't go and she's like okay then don't just be with me in this moment right

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_02]: now. Oh my god yeah they go back. She breathes onto his lips yeah I remember. Yeah yeah.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like oh I'm Beatrice that's me. That's literally what it says then don't I lower

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: my face to his just be with me now I breathe. What did I say? Like word by word.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah he did remember yes oh my god and so yeah they have this night together and then basically

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: they part ways after this and they don't know she's like maybe I'll come back maybe I'll visit

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever we don't like really know after this right I mean that's like yeah at the end.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it made me really kind of sad or emotional when he was trying to take her back into the

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: house and she was like I can't I can't go in there and he was like so desperately trying

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: to show that like no it's safe. It's safe I did it she's not here like please it's different

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like oh he's trying so hard but then of course as a person should as a man should

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_02]: he respects her wishes he respects that it's a triggering place for her and he's like

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: okay fine. Yes I was like I wanted him to go with her but also I really appreciated

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and leave it to a woman writer to not pigeonhole Gatelina and her story to be attached to this man

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: you know she was like no I'm gonna go do my thing I'm gonna go live my life yeah she deserved that

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_04]: she reconnects with our mother no yeah she does yeah I think the plan was to like sell

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: the hacienda and then get her mom I think and then like move somewhere I want to say I could be wrong

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember yeah because earlier they mentioned when Rodolfo was there that he was gonna sell

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: parts or some of the land from the hacienda to another ascendado and so eventually she follows

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: through with that deal I guess like set herself up and she makes Paloma like officially the

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: the title is Foreman but yeah to follow in Mendoza's footsteps and like

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: she's the she-e-o

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and she's following in Mendoza's footsteps to like do the bookkeeping and basically run the land

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: while Beatrice is away um which I loved I was like yeah you better open those doors

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_03]: yes I'm sorry I just read the part like

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's pretty obvious I just can't believe but you know why because I listened to the audiobook

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and then I'm not gonna lie only got to chapter 30 oh my god that's what I had missed

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_03]: what about the last time you read it are you gonna remember because I listened to the audiobook

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know how okay you know how I be yeah you know how I am so that's why I had no idea

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: no wonder you were shocked yeah oh that's so funny so scandalized

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: oh yeah because it's pretty obvious if you um read it yeah I see that now

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: okay okay so in the beginning of the novel Beatrice chooses to marry against her mother's wishes

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: if you were in her position what decision would you have made I would have done the same

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I would have done the same maybe oh maybe oh it reminded me like that situation

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I feel like that was a lot of women's situations in that time period and a lot of

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: people still feel that way but it reminded me of the book and also because I never read the

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: book but I did see the movie Little Women with Florence Pugh and Timothy Chalamet that one scene

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: of them together when he's talking about like oh you're doing these frivolous things and she's like

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: no I'm a woman I don't have a choice she's like I can't make my own money I can't keep my own name

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and if I do make my own money it's my husband's money and his land and so it was very much that

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: like I could I could see how Beatrice felt trapped in like what is my other choice yeah

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: this is my only way to like have something for myself yes yes um so yeah I would have done

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: the same and it reminds me of that one movie Crimson Peak I haven't seen it it's uh by uh what's his name

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: yes yeah yeah I remember that one but I haven't watched it watch it like the whole like it's I

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: don't want to spoil this movie but it's similar concept tell us plotline by plot nine okay

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: recap everything right now you know what I'm just gonna I'm just gonna read the little thing

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_04]: after marrying the charming and seductive sir Thomas Sharp young Edith finds herself swept away to his

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: remote gothic mansion in the English hills okay also living there is lady lady Lucille Thomas's

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: alluring sister protector of her family's dark secrets what able to communicate with the dead

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Edith tries to decipher the mystery behind the ghostly visions that haunt her new home as she

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: comes closer to the truth Edith may learn the two monsters are made of flesh and blood

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I need to watch this I'm gonna rewatch yeah but it's so good and Guillermo del Toro does like

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: amazing with his sets like his sets are just yeah chef's kiss chef's kiss like down to every

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: single detail and it looks amazing and after watching it like look at the I guess like people

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: discussing it and also Guillermo discussing it because there's a little bit of like things that he's

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: like oh if you notice this scene this happens and it represents this so after you watch the movie

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: or be at now after because then it's gonna spoil it watch it and then you'll see like all these hidden

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: little gems from the movie ooh that plot summary though it like it's really similar yeah yeah yes

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: except the whole the the plot twist is a plot twist like you thought this was a plot twist

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: all right I'm excited I was like oh okay oh okay so which character did you relate to the most and why

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna change this question and say okay which character was the hottest and why it was Andres

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: it was Andres our boyfriend our collective husband

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: yes I did I really did aside from like loving him

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I really did like him and I felt like I did relate to him especially because of that like that

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: syncretism of like Catholic Christian religion and like his practicing of like I'll just call

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: them the old ways because we don't know exactly what that that magic was you know but he's a witch

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's something over my life that I've I've tried to learn more about because I do

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: practice but I was also raised Catholic so I also have this I don't want to call it a struggle

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: because I've learned now to incorporate them with each other which is I feel like he eventually

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: got to yes you've embraced both sides yeah like that balance and that duality and like

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: lending them to each other that is also to say that the like the brujería that we have now

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: is a product of this syncretism it is a product of these people like trying to survive and disguising

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: their practices in the religion that they were forced to assimilate into so yes yeah it was

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_04]: it was really interesting yes because I see a lot of it with like traditional as you said old ways

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: but then they incorporate a lot of Catholicism like imagery and stuff like with the candles

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: or with you know across there or prayer which to me prayer and like you know

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and cantation are almost the same thing I I hope I don't offend anybody but to me it's like

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: manifesting what you need or protective you know whatever for people you love or care about

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: but yeah I identify with like more with like Andres because you wouldn't catch me in that house

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd be the one trying to figure it out like listen

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Pia 3's you could stay in there I'm going to be over here in my little

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: little house outside of the scene yeah I don't know that I related to any of them but I did

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: fine Andres the hottest I also there's no better answer than the one you already gave me

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: anything I say I'm gonna sound so dumb after I'm just gonna go on to the next question

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: okay do you think Juana or Ana Luisa were sympathetic characters

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: at sometimes say I felt bad for them they were very complex characters in the sense that

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you know they were fucked up like clearly but the experiences that they went through

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: are the reason they are yeah like made me feel bad like the way that um Juana was treated by her

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: brother and probably her entire family you know because she was like I don't know if she was a

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: love child I'm assuming she was well she was like mixed no wait what did you yeah they're

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: half sisters like like she was the product of well I wouldn't I thought she was a product I don't think

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: it's an affair of uh sexual assault raping yeah yeah but that's what I'm saying like she was like um

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: she was like a like a love child almost like an affair maybe I don't know it's not like no no no

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: not an affair a rape I don't know that's what I'm saying that I don't think it was an affair

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: like a choice I think yeah a choice their dad was just like a little fool and we learned

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that a little fool was out here you know assaulting but her her conception like really put everybody

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_04]: against her um yeah like it wasn't her choice to be you know born like that yeah or anything

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think it's like it made her who she is and I feel bad but I also think like she's the way

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: her ending was like justified I don't know if that makes sense like I feel bad like I get

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: why you are the way you are yeah she was like a woman with no choices you know what I mean frowned

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: upon turned to drinking and it's hard like I feel bad for her because of her what she truly had always

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted that was never going to be hers because one she was a woman too she was a mixed race

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: she was not Criollo she was a mestiza and she was like born out of wedlock for all those

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: different reasons the estienda was never going to be heard exactly but when Rodolfo went away

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: during the war she it was hers it was her for a period of time he returns and then the thing that

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: was hers that she felt was hers is taken yeah and so she gets rid of the people who were taking

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: it from her yeah yeah I feel like I was more I feel like it was more sympathetic to to Ana Luisa

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: than Juana because Ana Luisa was coming from a place of protecting the people around her

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: the family because of how Dona Catalina was treating everyone versus Juana like you said

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you know this inheritance was never hers and it felt like towards the end I wasn't sure if it was about

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the way that she was treated because of who she was versus versus how much she wanted the

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: inheritance because towards her final moments she was talking about that like you know you're

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: not going to take this away from me this is mine yes and so it felt very literally dying

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and she was like this is mine yeah girl get out of the house she just wanted the things and

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: yes didn't want the family or the people's acceptance yeah as opposed to Ana Luisa who was

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: doing it for yeah for her people protecting and keeping everything you know hidden I guess to protect

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: her her family did you trust Andres when he was first introduced immediately yes

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: right away yeah but especially like comparing him to Padre Vicente who immediately was like

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to shut everything down yep and like the way that they treated him I was like okay this

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: this guy is obviously not like the other priests he's different he's not like the other guy

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: so yeah it was immediately like you know they locked eyes and they immediately like kind of

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: understood each other is the sense that I got yeah and also like right away when we meet him we are

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: like thrown into his like grief for his losses at San Ysidro we don't know that it's his mom and

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: his grandmother are not like alive anymore that were you know there but we immediately like

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: he's very vulnerable oh my god vulnerable yes and beautiful and sexy yeah you know what I kept

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: imagining him so in my head when I read books I cast the characters for him I don't know why

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I kept going back and forth between two people I kept going between Adrienne Brody even though

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I know that Adrienne Brody is he's white yeah he was he was he was mine at one point I was like

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: wait no no I can't he's white and also I don't know his name but ah he plays he's in Ted Lasso

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: he's the one do y'all watch Ted Lasso by any chance the guy with the long hair no no no

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: that plays Roy Kent he has a really deep voice and he grunts and he's angry all the time

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: let me look I'm googling it right now okay he plays Roy Kent I don't know why I saw him

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I just feel like I can see him and like the priests I saw Mariano from Teresa I thought

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: the same show like I can't picture everybody like him because I did the same show over the last book

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah he's just like my go-to hot guy he was also in like Revelle right was it was I didn't watch

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I famously did not watch Revelle I never watched Revelle either me either I don't get the hype

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I tried and I was like I feel in community right now I wouldn't say that much I wouldn't say

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get the hype nobody officially Seussle did not say anything about it

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah no I never watched it I just know of it I just was in it and some of the songs oh Aron Diaz is his name

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah uh he's an American Mexican actor just look up Aron Diaz he's a beautiful man

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: there's a picture of him with him oh my god yes but that's who I pictured yeah yeah I can see that

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: mm-hmm did you guys cast anyone for like Hwana?

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: no um the drag queen Alaska

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: that's that's who she is now yes if I ever reread this it's gonna be her

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: okay what did you think of this novelist portrayal of religion

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: it's uh to me it's very like well this is I guess more like of my view but it's modern because I

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_04]: didn't think of religion this way until recently in the past five six years so to me it's very modern

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: way of thinking about it but I don't know like in a nuanced way yeah yeah yeah kind of like exactly

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: what you were saying earlier Aiden when you mentioned the mixing of like the Catholicism and

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the old ways like I feel like that's very much portrayed in that manner but also that like the

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_03]: religious Spanish people that were in charge were like and not just the Spanish people but like

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_03]: the organization of Catholicism in the country at the time was very greedy they were not helping

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: people yeah and this is true I mean it I want to say that was like they were getting too greedy and

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean obviously the Cristetal war happened for a lot of reasons but one of the reasons is that

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: the Catholic church was getting too powerful too rich and like when you look at religion and

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Catholicism they're not supposed to be rich they're supposed to be helping the most vulnerable

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's literally in their doctrine to give up all earthly possessions

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and yeah you walk into the biggest churches of Mexico and there's gold on the ceiling

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: you know the riches and the the shit they have the fucking relics I remember sitting at church

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and which was like so hard mom our mom was always getting so mad at us for like talking and not

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and laughing and falling asleep I was like anyway just goes off but I feel it yeah aside from that

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: though you know how you had to give like a dollar when they walked around with the little

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: baskets I'd be like uh ma why am I giving them money when they have a pool I don't have a pool

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: a pool there's there's a church and then there's like a little community center in the church and

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: then there's like a thing that is part of the church and it's like next to it and there's a small

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: house and there's a pool in that house everyone can see it when they're pulling in oh my god

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: okay so was Rodolfo a villain or a victim villain

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: villain like because he literally grew up spoiled getting everything he but what would he be a victim

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: of I just can't yeah I can't think of what I mean he was a white man a rich white Mexican man

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: uh-huh he got everything he wanted he was just an asshole and everything he deserved

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and he was just a straight-up villain because he was preaching about equality to his like

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: while behind closed doors raping the woman young woman that worked for him you know what I mean

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah and then treating his sister the way that he did yeah she had her own issues but that

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: was separate from the way that he thought about her because if that's your sister and you're

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: thinking that way about her like how do you think about the other mestizos or your staff

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: or the people that you believe to be below you yes even with Matrice he was hiding the letters from her

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: mom so I heard that she was writing her yeah also the first thing that he said to her one of the

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: first things he said to her when he returned was oh you haven't been wearing your hat yep yeah because

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_04]: she got dark oh yes I got so mad at that part I was like that's what you say you you don't see

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that I'm in distress that I'm falling apart I'm uncomfortable it's that I'm dark I was like

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: garbage garbage yeah garbage um he was a victim of whanas I will say oh I guess yeah was he a victim

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean they were like I guess I guess she did play his throat from ear to ear in a sense but is it

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's just justice being served yeah I agree with that like like speaking in terms of crime

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: he literally was whanas victim he's a victim of a crime technically technically yeah um okay so let's

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: see the Mexican war of independence is a subject rarely taught in american high schools and

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: universities did the novels historical themes change your perception of mexican history

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: no no because I've been reading a ton about this lately yeah I was gonna say no because I've studied

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: it if you asked me 10 years ago yes yeah exactly yes but no yeah I'll say no but I will say that I

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: think it did touch on them very appropriately yes yes yeah that's what I wanted to add as well like

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: land ownership race like these are all things that I think we talk about often now but like you

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: said Christina and MJ if it was years ago like yeah I would have learned something new

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: but still important because maybe someone who just picked this book up you know because they're like oh

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: this is just a scary book uh-huh whatever spooky book and then they read it and become more open

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: you know to these ideas of you know racism classism and things like that

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah yeah because a lot of uh Mexicans don't think they're racist or colorist but

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_06]: mm-hmm yeah

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: god it's embarrassing

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_04]: yes what is that bombastic side eye criminally criminal

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that clip oh my god I wish I could say it in that way but I can't um because it sounds

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't just make this accent that I don't have that's rude no that's what I love

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_06]: oh my god thank you

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my god um okay so let's see um batteries Juana and Paloma experienced the world of Mexico in 1823

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and the Hacienda in different ways what do you think of the novel's portrayal of female

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: autonomy autonomy autonomy and this historical period you know I thought it was interesting

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: they were all like from different classes but they all felt trapped no that's what I was gonna say yeah

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_04]: they all had no choice you know it gave me serious claustrophobia like I know it's it's not but

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: it like that because you're trapped that feeling of claustrophobia I was getting it while reading

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: this book and I was like so I had like palms or my palms are sweaty right now thinking about it

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: because I was like oh my god they can't do anything they had no choice and like Paloma says

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: you're stuck here you're one of us now you're gonna die here and and it's really um I like Paloma

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: says it for different reasons but that is like the embodiment of like female autonomy in

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that time for women in the Hacienda they all had different reasons why they were there

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: they all had their different you know manners of like living there and experiencing it in different

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: ways but at the end of the day because they have no choice they're stuck there yeah yeah

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and I yeah it was not a good feeling reading it like I it's a I guess that's how what makes

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: a good book it would make you experience what the characters are feeling and it did that

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I agree with that I won't I won't try to speak to the I guess like placing myself in

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: that position because I'm not a woman I I wasn't socialized as a woman so like I'll never understand

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that I will say though that I think Isabel did an amazing job with these three women especially

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yes like like you just said like you know I'm I don't I don't want to repeat what you

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: just said and pretend it's my own idea but like you said it perfectly you know

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: you all said it perfectly like these three women come from different spaces

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and like ultimately they felt the ways that they did but I think it was really really smart and

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: really cool the way that Isabel wrote them and yeah it was it was really really interesting

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think this is why it's important if there's any listeners out there who are men to read

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: books and consume consume the media from people that don't share your identities and

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: especially right now from women like it's important to to do those things so that you can

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: understand those perspectives and I appreciate the perspectives that Isabel shared in the book

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Carmen anything else to add um no I mean everyone said my thoughts um perfectly

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and I mean I think it just shows although it's historical in a lot of places you know

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it's still like this and in a lot of ways women still don't have choices and we're reverting

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: backwards yeah that's a society this is I feel like something that even today like women I

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I was in abusive relationships are living this currently probably I would say that that's that

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: feeling of I'm trapped I can't do anything and then like it also gives like no wonder these women

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_04]: like had a breaking point yeah you know like like you know you're you gotta do what you gotta do

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and sometimes they're not the best outcome but I do feel like they were cornered unfortunately yeah

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah what's the what's the the statistic is that on average it takes a victim what is it like

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: seven attempts there you go seven attempts to leave yeah a toxic or an abusive relationship

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but there are resources out there there are resources and it is hard and it's

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: it also goes into that thing where a pregnant woman like the number one reason that they die

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: is uh is during pregnancy is for a murder and I was thinking about that maid that was thrown off

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: yes oh my god yes yeah mm-hmm yeah um ateles all that time sadly and you know what else I

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: thought of it while reading the book too um you know abortion has existed yes yes women have

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: some humanity you know what I mean um women have always found ways to terminate pregnancies that

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: they don't want um you know and it's looked different depending on the historical time frame

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: in the society and whatnot but I mean just goes to show like here in this book said in what was

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_04]: it the 1800s yeah uh yeah 1820 yeah we're still dealing with it oh my god and that's what I say

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that we're reverting backwards and it's a scary time not only to be like a person with an ability

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: you know to get pregnant but any marginalized identity I think it we're in a scary time right

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: now but that's why it's important to learn about history because people are dumb and

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think people sometimes are scared like I mean I I heard it growing up all the time

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: like feminism and feminist to be a feminist was like it was never a good thing to identify that way

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah but I mean we if we if we don't stand up for our rights and fight for our rights

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: like this what is happening now we're going backwards you know what I mean like people

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: weren't given the rights that we have like we had to fight for them and it's like a active daily

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: fight you know it is it's and it's like horrifying too like 200 years later like after this books

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: takes place and we're still dealing with the same bullshit it's ridiculous yeah it's inferior

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: um okay overall thoughts ratings what does everyone rate this I give it five skeletons

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: in the wall out of five oh yes so good I love it I like I was I hadn't read anything about is a book

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: on us before but I was like okay I'm definitely picking up the next one yes I'm gonna pre-order

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's yeah I don't know if it is the next one or if it's not already but the

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: vampires of the north is that the next one yeah that's the next one yeah okay yeah I'm so excited

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: to read that one I'm going to order it for sure yes um yeah I love it it's it's it was my favorite

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_04]: book my favorite read from last year from 2022 and it's just so good and our husband's hot

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and yes Andres what's your rating what do you rate it five out of five 10 out of 10

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know all the stars all the thumbs all the skeletons in the wall like

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_03]: someone did answer there um in our posts what they rated it and you know I don't understand

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: point five ratings because when I love things I'm like five out of five 20 out of 20

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: no I do the same thing Erin from the hit stone lie podcast which I also love it's such a fun

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: podcast anyway she said she answered the question about um Isabel or not Isabel that's the author of

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Bethes if um would you make the same choice that she made and she said that if I were the same

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: age as a protagonist I sure would have the decision to marry him was very impulsive and

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: she was excited at the prospect of being the mistress of her own asienda and yeah that's

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: another thing that I was like she it wasn't just escaping it was also like power that came yeah

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah uh-huh um hence like in the beginning she's like um this is my conquest yeah mine mine mine at

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: the end she's like I'm out which is under yeah which is understandable because they didn't have

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: much and she would have a in that position the most a woman could have but it's interesting to

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: see how that power wanting that power you know it led her to you know look past the red initial

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: red flags um just stay somewhere where she wasn't happy and also made me think of quana and how

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: that power she temporarily had that really was not really her power ever um but it led her to

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: murder twice so yeah twice yeah twice times yeah yeah um okay and then she also rated it 4.5

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: out of 5 as spooky skulls yes the skulls that's what I was gonna do skulls but now my rating for

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: this book is also um skeleton in the wall um okay well that was the last thing uh does anyone

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: else want to share any other overall thoughts are we good I think we're good yeah I think I'm

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: good I feel like I got it all out we've talked so much about this book I love it yeah um this

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_03]: was so fun Aiden thank you so much for joining us on this um it was a blast before we go where can

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: people find you although they should already know but where can people find you if you don't already

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: know you can listen to susto anywhere podcasts are available you can also follow me online

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it's at susto podcast on every social platform and I also recently started doing live streams on

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: twitch to do like non spooky or like non story related content because I like video games as well

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: so yes I have to one briefly you were playing Mario Kart yeah thank you everyone should um

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_03]: follow suso and Aiden on all the things and I will link it in the show notes um and

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: karmine anything else that you want to um plug sure yeah so if you like um Latin American history

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and topics like you know what we talked about with asin asienda you know classes of racism things

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_03]: like that then you can check out historiasa known me and christina's podcast about

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_03]: latin american history um and if you like novellas then you can check out novellas con

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: casito where we recap rewatch novellas of our um childhood and talk shit about them

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and you can follow them on all the socials and whatnot and anywhere podcasts are available

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and MJ do you want an all just no okay yeah thanks again for joining us we don't have the other

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: book selected yet but um click the link in the show notes to follow the book club itself and

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: then you know all the links to follow suso and yes um thank you again and stay spooky bye